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On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks!
Here you go:
http://whydopeoplehatethatcher.com/
On April 09 2013 18:48 Ysellian wrote:
A person telling other people to do some actually reading proceeds to place Thatcher amongst Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot.
I was planning to stay well clear from this discussion, but this comment was a real eyebrow raiser.
It's funny because she supported and mingled with two of them.
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On April 09 2013 18:18 Qikz wrote:
Thatcher never used propaganda atleast not to the extent hitler did and if people hated her that much she wouldn't have got in for a second term, let alone a third. Thatcher never used propaganda? Where did you get this strange idea?
Thatcher was backed by all the tabloids, as is current government under David Cameron.
Conservative governments almost never win elections through sound economic policy, but purely through stirring hatred, whipping up fear, and appealing to human chauvinism. Without the Falklands War of '82 and the scaremongering about nuclear disarmament and a pre-emptive strike by the Soviets prior to the '87 election, she would never have stood a chance of winning three election.
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On April 09 2013 18:48 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:38 cozzE wrote:
The people here demanding respect here need to actually do some reading. She was a torturous witch that ruthlessly ignored the working-class in the UK. There was no love lost when she passed, hopefully she's in a terrible place with Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot and all the other unforgiving despots of the 20th century. A person telling other people to do some actually reading proceeds to place Thatcher amongst Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot. I was planning to stay well clear from this discussion, but this comment was a real eyebrow raiser.
While he used Hitler and Stalin as a hyperbole. She actually helped Pol Pot and was good lifetime friend of Pinochet.
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Massive amounts of hate seems to be directed at Margaret Thatcher. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I do not think that any disrespect is needed against a lady who served as Britain's prime minister for more than a decade.
RIP Baroness Thatcher.
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On April 09 2013 07:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
Americans can go ahead and comment if they want, as long as they vaguely know what they are talking about!
Which would rule out every American/non UK person I've seen posting so far.
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On April 09 2013 18:53 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:48 Ysellian wrote:On April 09 2013 18:38 cozzE wrote:
The people here demanding respect here need to actually do some reading. She was a torturous witch that ruthlessly ignored the working-class in the UK. There was no love lost when she passed, hopefully she's in a terrible place with Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot and all the other unforgiving despots of the 20th century. A person telling other people to do some actually reading proceeds to place Thatcher amongst Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot. I was planning to stay well clear from this discussion, but this comment was a real eyebrow raiser. While he used Hitler and Stalin as a hyperbole. She actually helped Pol Pot and was good lifetime friend of Pinochet.
Never knew :/ . Stupid cold war foreign policy.
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On April 09 2013 18:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Edit: Posting this from an unrelated article. It seems that the relative decline of industry (or manufacturing at least) in the UK was nothing remarkable: Your graph doesn't count agriculture and the energy sector. Accounting for these things, France's and the USA's decline has been much less steep than that of the UK.
And it's not just about the relative decline of industry. It declined just as surely under New Labour. The difference is that they had an alternative (education) which was at least superficially plausible at the time. Thatcher did not give an alternative and instead presided over a decade with average unemployment of 9.1% (up from 2% in the 70s).
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Good.
User was warned for this post
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On April 09 2013 18:15 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated.
How is nothing i said here correct? Right after you posted this, again someone immediately referenced Hitler, again. How is this a blanket statement? Explain how i have no idea what I am talking about?(I suspect this just translated to, you don't agree with me therefore you know nothing) The irony in calling my post a blank statement lol.
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While Thatcher was/is a very polarising and derisive figure within UK Politics and the UK as a whole and a discussion on her legacy is completely valid. Her death does not add nor retract any action she has done before which is why I am bewildered at the north's general "partying" at her death. Thatcher's death does not make the current economic position of the UK any better and partying definitely does not give back what communities and jobs they had before her reign.
On April 09 2013 19:42 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:15 kollin wrote:On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated. How is nothing i said here correct? Right after you posted this, again someone immediately referenced Hitler, again. How is this statement blank? Explain how i have no idea what I am talking about?(I suspect this just translated to, you don't agree with me therefore you know nothing) The irony in calling my post a blank statement lol.
He said that your statement was a blanket statement meaning it overgeneralised to a point of nearly creating a hyperbole of the situation. A blank statement would imply that your words meant nothing which it obviously doesn't.
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Partying makes people feel better for things that make no noticeable difference to their everyday lives though.
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On April 09 2013 19:42 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:15 kollin wrote:On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated. How is nothing i said here correct? Right after you posted this, again someone immediately referenced Hitler, again. How is this statement blank? Explain how i have no idea what I am talking about?(I suspect this just translated to, you don't agree with me therefore you know nothing) The irony in calling my post a blank statement lol.
Calling everyone who lives in the north and leans to the left irrational. Yup, you seem pretty knowledgable.
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On April 09 2013 18:55 NeThZOR wrote:
Massive amounts of hate seems to be directed at Margaret Thatcher. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I do not think that any disrespect is needed against a lady who served as Britain's prime minister for more than a decade.
RIP Baroness Thatcher.
She did not serve Britain, she served a certain subset of society only, and if you were not in the subset you got crushed. She destroyed Scotland, Wales and the North of England with her policies, only the south of England benefited ( Tory Heartland) The police and press became her weapon of suppression and control.
Ultra right wing and dogmatic sums her up. Convection politics at its very worst, even her own party got sick of her in the end and replaced her during her term of office
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It's also worth noting that these parties have been planned for a long time. The first time I saw one planned was 2003.
As to Thatcher winning three elections, it would probably be more accurate to say that she won one and the opposition lost two, though granted the second is perhaps arguable because of the nationalist stirrings around the falklands issue.
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Being a controversial figure itself proves that she did something good at least for some as well as something bad for others.
It's probably better than having an ordinary mediocre politician who does nothing good nor bad, showing no direction.
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On April 09 2013 19:45 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 19:42 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 18:15 kollin wrote:On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated. How is nothing i said here correct? Right after you posted this, again someone immediately referenced Hitler, again. How is this statement blank? Explain how i have no idea what I am talking about?(I suspect this just translated to, you don't agree with me therefore you know nothing) The irony in calling my post a blank statement lol. He said that your statement was a blanket statement meaning it overgeneralised to a point of nearly creating a hyperbole of the situation. A blank statement would imply that your words meant nothing which it obviously doesn't.
Yeah i didn't read it quite right, i apologize. I don't think i really used any hyperbole, when people have been comparing Thatcher to Hitler I think I'm probably being pretty understated to the contrary.
On April 09 2013 19:50 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 19:42 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 18:15 kollin wrote:On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote:On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote:
Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated. How is nothing i said here correct? Right after you posted this, again someone immediately referenced Hitler, again. How is this statement blank? Explain how i have no idea what I am talking about?(I suspect this just translated to, you don't agree with me therefore you know nothing) The irony in calling my post a blank statement lol. Calling everyone who lives in the north and leans to the left irrational. Yup, you seem pretty knowledgable.
I compared most of the north, not all, because granted there are a minority that like thatcher i am sure, to the republicans view on Obama. I also compared the less central left, which you translated to leans to the left somehow. And then i went on to say that the very strongly apposed, not the north or centre left, to thatcher are irrational, maybe i should have used the word usually. I certainly didn't call "all of the north irrational". And having an opinion that's incorrect doesn't make me un-knowledgeable either, so i don't really think you have a point.
Yes she did have a friendship with Pinochet, but the situation is much more complex than maggie loved Pinochet. Lots of people have friends who do things, grave things, they don't approve of. If one of you close friends did something you were appalled at it doesn't mean that they stopped ever being your friend, and most likely you wouldn't cut contact you'd try and talk to them about it. Now I'm not totally defending maggie's relationship with this monster, but I am sure it's not just black and white. For a start he had an important part in playing in helping Britain during the Falklands war, and that's where it started. She owed him some gratitude purely because of that. As for the atrocities he committed, well historical hindsight is a beautiful thing. Unless you are Margret Thatcher yourself you cannot know how much she knew and how much she didn't believe because she didn't want to about a friend.
As for Pol Pot, again this was a complex situation that looks awful in hindsight, I'm sure mistakes were made, in the same way the US practically armed and taught the Tali Ban too. When there is civil unrest and fighting in countries, often rebels or government get backed and they turn out to be oppressors, but again this is something that one can only see in hindsight. If you look at the time, the UN recognized Pol Pot as a legitimate leader and government and so did China, so it wasn't as if everyone but her was aware and against him.
These are nevertheless blotches on her governments record, and in reality a lot worse than what she supposedly did to the miners. How much she is actually to blame for these relationships is hard for one to say outside of the time or with-out proper historical political knowledge.
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Lots of short sighted people, brainwashed by effects her actions had on their immediate surrounding areas where they live or lived are the one's who claim to hate her. They fail to see the bigger picture.
Politics is full of men, ironically it was the one without balls who had the balls necessary to make the difficult decisions. She done the country a great service and it's sickening the hate she receives.
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