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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
No offense with that post but Buddhism is about karma and a good middle road life that is accepting and thoughtful about your after life. It's way less invasive than most of the other religions and you don't have buddhists on street corners yelling "GOD HATES FAGS" or even in politics trying to limit the rights of homosexual because of their scripture. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On March 02 2013 07:20 m4inbrain wrote: You know that this works also the other way around, right? Do me a favor, explain to me reasonable, why so many people hate on islam and christians (you see, its not hatred or bigotry towards religion in general, but towards these two religions) - and near to none (i NEVER saw someone doing it) towards for example buddhists? Do you have any experience with nations in which Buddhism is a major religion? | ||
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Belgium927 Posts
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Buddhists If it exists, theres probably been persecution against it. As for those justifying negative behavior towards religion, bigotry is bigotry. In my opinion, people aren't jerks because of their religion, creed, sexuality, beliefs, etc. They're jerks because they're jerks and people from all sorts of associations, groups, and backgrounds can behave with civility or with irrational rage. The fact that they believe that they can fully justify is why bigotry even exists. Also for a challenge for those bashing Christianity. Here's something you may wanna try out for the hell of it. Don't even consider Christianity at all. Pretend that no religion was the reason for restrictions on homosexuality. Now consider what other factors may have contributed to these restrictions. Could it have been economic? Perhaps prior to modern technology, the only way for the majority of the population to survive was through the traditional family unit and a high reproduction rate. Perhaps it was other social factors, such as misogyny, which I argue is not purely a Christian fault, as many societies and religions developed as such. Perhaps the need for the female/male dynamic was seen as infallible. Certainly these don't hold true today, but what you should consider is that these factors may go hand and hand with Christianity that one was not necessarily the cause of the other. | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
Now as far as the news goes, i'm glad. Finally a big hint into the worlds direction to show some support to our friends who want to live their life with another person they love. Gay or not, don't see the matter. | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On March 02 2013 07:59 Pimpmuckl wrote: After reading page 9 & 10 i really really want to go to the States to check out if those "Christians" are indeed as funny as they seem. I was raised christian and i can't believe the same "christians" spread hate although they should spread the love. I don't get it, maybe in Germany the protestant Church is just more "nice"? Now as far as the news goes, i'm glad. Finally a big hint into the worlds direction to show some support to our friends who want to live their life with another person they love. Gay or not, don't see the matter. It really is the influence of politics | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
why can't you think for yourself, the general refrain. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On March 02 2013 07:19 Tachion wrote: Why do you think you're missing something? Seems pretty bang on to me. At least when it's in regards to making law and not simply a matter of personal preference. Having a dissenting opinion is fine. Having a dissenting opinion not based on facts, science, empirical and demonstrable evidence, not so much. Claiming that the moon is made of cheese is an opinion. Would you take it seriously? Also, what on earth inspired some people to think marriage has any roots in religion? It existed as a concept long before any of the monotheistic religions that dominate the world today came into being. It is basically institutionalized prostitution, usually in the form of a father granting exclusive access to his daughter's vagina in exchange for money/land/goods. It's a business agreement, nothing more. It's about as romantic and sacred as the stuff you get between your toes after wearing flip-flops on a really warm day. For the record, I fully support gay marriage, and fully oppose marriage as a concept. If that made any sense. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:05 oneofthem wrote: using religion as a rationale for prejudice has the hidden implication that your religion bounds you to a certain moral view. this binding is what's really at stake. why can't you think for yourself, the general refrain. Well then the answering verse would be "we can and we do." | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:10 farvacola wrote: Well then the answering verse would be "we can and we do." doesn't look like it from the outside. | ||
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tso
United States132 Posts
i always get "why are you so closed minded?" when expressing how i don't believe the earth is 6000 years old they really are that blind | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
Come on, I know you see the problems inherent to such a cursory brand of logic. A great number of those who see the utility in lambasting something as expansive as "religion" are simply unable or unwilling to recognize just how much differentiation exists amongst the "religious". Furthermore, the notion that anyone ought to outwardly justify their religious inclinations in order to satisfy some stilted public perspective makes little sense to me, particularly when that public perspective is so obviously flawed. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:23 farvacola wrote: Come on, I know you see the problems inherent to such a cursory brand of logic. A great number of those who see the utility in lambasting something as expansive as "religion" are simply unable or unwilling to recognize just how much differentiation exists amongst the "religious". Furthermore, the notion that anyone ought to outwardly justify their religious inclinations in order to satisfy some stilted public perspective makes little sense to me, particularly when that public perspective is so obviously flawed. yea well, religion can be ok, but as a broader social phenomenon it is notable for the powerful hereditary effects. it's one of the pillars of passing on traditions, and that includes traditional prejudices. of course, one can be religious and reject any and all of the doctrines held by the rest of the religious group. but, even that guy should recognize the above mentioned blind heredity of tradition in religious society. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:21 tso wrote: i always get "why are you so closed minded?" when expressing how i don't believe the earth is not 6000 years old they really are that blind I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but did you just say you believe the earth is 6000 years old? Or that you don't? (double negative) | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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tso
United States132 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:32 Roe wrote: I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but did you just say you believe the earth is 6000 years old? Or that you don't? (double negative) lol fixed. an unfortunate negative there | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:31 oneofthem wrote: yea well, religion can be ok, but as a broader social phenomenon it is notable for the powerful hereditary effects. it's one of the pillars of passing on traditions, and that includes traditional prejudices. of course, one can be religious and reject any and all of the doctrines held by the rest of the religious group. but, even that guy should recognize the above mentioned blind heredity of tradition in religious society. That sounds far more reasonable, and believe me when I tell you that there do exist entire congregations of "Christians" who consider it their spiritual duty to indict tradition and challenge "the moral establishment" as much as they can. Many atheists and agnostics would be surprised to know just how many religious folk are actually "on their side", if only they'd drop the surface level hyperbolic judgements. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
2. it doesnt make you morally superior for believing in creationism or evolution. the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. 3. if you take the second most important law (love thy neighbor, after love the lord your god which we shall ignore because that is a non-secular one), then there is no reason to ban gay marriage. if the term marriage was not used in over 1100 places in legislation that defines everything from the tax code to the most inane of topics, then whatever. but if in keeping your beliefs hurts someone else, that is fundamentally wrong. It matters little whether someone hates gays or loves gays or doesnt care, so far as it not affect someone 4. hate the players, not the game | ||
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tso
United States132 Posts
On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote: the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book | ||
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