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On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book
How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant?
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On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
2. it doesnt make you morally superior for believing in creationism or evolution. the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick.
You don't "believe" in evolution any more than you "believe" in gravity, you accept it as fact after studying the available data.
It has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with reality.
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On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant?
A dictionary. And school.
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On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant?
you can't possibly be indicating the beliefs of those who accept evolution as having the same foundation of the likes of christian scientists and holy rollers
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On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school.
Where did you learn to value such things?
And to tso, no, I'm not.
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On March 02 2013 07:19 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:12 danl9rm wrote:On March 01 2013 14:29 aTnClouD wrote:
Huge bigot religious drama shitfest inc Let me try to interpret this. It's not alright when religious people believe that homosexual partners should not be able to marry because they believe it is wrong and therefore voice their opinion. It is alright when people believe that homosexual partners should be able to marry because they believe it is okay and therefore voice their opinion. Is that a fair assessment? Correct me where I'm wrong. I'm not trying to be rude, this is just what it seems like to me and so figure I'm missing something. Why do you think you're missing something? Seems pretty bang on to me. At least when it's in regards to making law and not simply a matter of personal preference.
So, religious people voicing their opinion is wrong with regards to law, but irreligious people voicing their opinion, with regards to the law, is ok?
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On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not.
stop being a contrarian
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On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not.
By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true.
And the knowledge my brain has encouraged my to acquire tells me homosexuality is perfectly natural, that it is frequently observed in nature in many different species, and is integral to our genetic heritage. It is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, any more than skintone or the colour of your eyes. And as such, it deserves to be treated the same as heterosexuality.
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On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true.
Are you suggesting that the realization that "knowledge is valuable" came upon you like the fetal Jesus did Mary?
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just because history went through a religious phase doesn't mean we need to go to catholic school to learn about the importance of science. etc
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On March 02 2013 09:21 oneofthem wrote:
just because history went through a religious phase doesn't mean we need to go to catholic school to learn about the importance of science. etc
Of course not, that has very little to do with what I am speaking. I'm simply playing a game with the notion that far too many people forget or ignore what "knowledge" is and how as humans come upon it.
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On March 02 2013 09:17 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. Are you suggesting that the realization that "knowledge is valuable" came upon you like the fetal Jesus did Mary?
No, it was a gradual process, both from my own internal maturation process, as well as parents challenging me on what I learned in school and outside of it, making me question and making me learn the most essential skill for any child, critical thinking.
But you are going off topic here, suffice it to say it is in our most basic nature to seek knowledge.
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On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. And the knowledge my brain has encouraged my to acquire tells me homosexuality is perfectly natural, that it is frequently observed in nature in many different species, and is integral to our genetic heritage. It is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, any more than skintone or the colour of your eyes. And as such, it deserves to be treated the same as heterosexuality.
i am curious what you mean by "integral to our genetic heritage." it seems to me that it would be irrelevant to our genetic heritage because it prevents procreation.
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On March 02 2013 09:08 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:19 Tachion wrote:On March 02 2013 07:12 danl9rm wrote:On March 01 2013 14:29 aTnClouD wrote:
Huge bigot religious drama shitfest inc Let me try to interpret this. It's not alright when religious people believe that homosexual partners should not be able to marry because they believe it is wrong and therefore voice their opinion. It is alright when people believe that homosexual partners should be able to marry because they believe it is okay and therefore voice their opinion. Is that a fair assessment? Correct me where I'm wrong. I'm not trying to be rude, this is just what it seems like to me and so figure I'm missing something. Why do you think you're missing something? Seems pretty bang on to me. At least when it's in regards to making law and not simply a matter of personal preference. So, religious people voicing their opinion is wrong with regards to law, but irreligious people voicing their opinion, with regards to the law, is ok?
No, a religious person can express their opinion or propose a law, however they should require a secular justification or argument for it to be legislated. You can't just be like "because my holy book says so." That's what separation of church and state is for.
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On March 02 2013 09:23 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:21 oneofthem wrote:
just because history went through a religious phase doesn't mean we need to go to catholic school to learn about the importance of science. etc Of course not, that has very little to do with what I am speaking. I'm simply playing a game with the notion that far too many people forget or ignore what "knowledge" is and how as humans come upon it.
what do you mean. how did humans come upon knowledge when humans didn't design the human brain
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On March 02 2013 09:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. And the knowledge my brain has encouraged my to acquire tells me homosexuality is perfectly natural, that it is frequently observed in nature in many different species, and is integral to our genetic heritage. It is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, any more than skintone or the colour of your eyes. And as such, it deserves to be treated the same as heterosexuality. i am curious what you mean by "integral to our genetic heritage." it seems to me that it would be irrelevant to our genetic heritage because it prevents procreation.
Homosexuality doesn't prevent procreation though I'm sure it does hinder it in many cases. Homosexual family members can also help raise children thus providing additional fitness to people that share their genes.
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On March 02 2013 09:23 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:17 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. Are you suggesting that the realization that "knowledge is valuable" came upon you like the fetal Jesus did Mary? No, it was a gradual process, both from my own internal maturation process, as well as parents challenging me on what I learned in school and outside of it, making me question and making me learn the most essential skill for any child, critical thinking. But you are going off topic here, suffice it to say it is in our most basic nature to seek knowledge.
The manner in which the average person conceives of religious thought or knowledge is very much on topic. And I'm quite glad that you mentioned parents, because that is the essence of what I am hinting at. You've had education, parenting, and reading experience to help lead you to where you are now. Now lets use some of that "critical thinking" and consider how those amongst us without the grace of caring parents, an unbiased history book, or even an environment that encourages healthy skepticism while growing up might come to a different place, and why simply pointing the finger of rationality at them and laughing will probably only further entrench their worldview.
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On March 02 2013 09:35 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:30 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. And the knowledge my brain has encouraged my to acquire tells me homosexuality is perfectly natural, that it is frequently observed in nature in many different species, and is integral to our genetic heritage. It is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, any more than skintone or the colour of your eyes. And as such, it deserves to be treated the same as heterosexuality. i am curious what you mean by "integral to our genetic heritage." it seems to me that it would be irrelevant to our genetic heritage because it prevents procreation. Homosexuality doesn't prevent procreation though I'm sure it does hinder it in many cases. Homosexual family members can also help raise children thus providing additional fitness to people that share their genes.
unless i'm missing some new scientific breakthrough, it hinders it in every case. adopting children is irrelevant to genetics since you don't pass on your genes. regardless, i am just trying to figure out what the guy meant by it being integral.
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On March 02 2013 09:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:15 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 09:06 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 09:00 McBengt wrote:On March 02 2013 08:56 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2013 08:54 tso wrote:On March 02 2013 08:48 CeriseCherries wrote:
the same fundamental reason that you or anyone believes evolution is the same reason that someone believes creationsim: someone told you, probably starting at a young age that it was so. for all we know tomorrow the fuckign Xel Naga will land and tell us that evolution is bullshit and they made everyone. well haha for you morally superior prick. evidence > holy book How did you learn what the word "evidence" meant? A dictionary. And school. Where did you learn to value such things? And to tso, no, I'm not. By using my evolved primate brain to realize that knowledge is valuable, and also something I desire on a personal level. I genuinely care if what I think is true actually is true. And the knowledge my brain has encouraged my to acquire tells me homosexuality is perfectly natural, that it is frequently observed in nature in many different species, and is integral to our genetic heritage. It is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, any more than skintone or the colour of your eyes. And as such, it deserves to be treated the same as heterosexuality. i am curious what you mean by "integral to our genetic heritage." it seems to me that it would be irrelevant to our genetic heritage because it prevents procreation.
Integral may have been a poor choice of words, inextricable may be a better term.
And it does serve an evolutionary purpose, it allows for a measure of population control, and can also allow for more males to facilitate hunting/gathering without causing more breeding-related conflicts. Regardless, it is, and has likely always been, a part of our genetic makeup. It's been said by more than one credible scientist in the field that everyone is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of how much.
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Way to go Obama! It was wise to name my desktop computer after you back when you were sworn-in in the beginning of 2009. Both have been great.
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