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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On April 05 2013 20:41 Grettin wrote: Small update, which you can take how ever you want: Reuters: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Everyday NK seems to be moving more and more into dangerous territory, things seem to get more and more serious... but I'm still not convinced that they actually plan to do anything and this is more just the new leader trying to assert him self in front of his generals. Though that speech he gave at the start of the year about how conflict with the south was largely pointless seems to be bearing some fruit though with all of this anti-American rhetoric, I'm just not sure what he hopes to achieve. If he did decide to attack and American ship/army base what would that prove? From an outsiders perspective it seems it would be pretty straightforward to do real hard to NK's horrible economy that probably would do little to effect there military might, would do long term damage to hopes of NK's hopes of ever doing anything without China's bankroll | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:48 Zoler wrote: What? Why can't you guys just read a bit on North Korea before you go around discussing nonsense. A huge percentage of the north koreans that get out of NK actually go back. The usual reasons are that they don't like the new life in South Korea etc. Too hard for them to adapt also missing their family. With such a huge number that goes back to NK after leaving or "fleeing" I doubt there would be any horrible punishments. But why wouldn't there? NK has fairly public prison camps where they have generations of family's from possible deserters or people criticizing the Kim's reign, seemingly letting people cross the boarder without punishment seems out of character. | ||
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:59 baldgye wrote: But why wouldn't there? NK has fairly public prison camps where they have generations of family's from possible deserters or people criticizing the Kim's reign, seemingly letting people cross the boarder without punishment seems out of character. To Zoler: I like how you tell us to read up on NK, then proceed to say "I doubt there would be any horrible punishments." Really now? Dudes get thrown into gulags for looking at police officers the wrong way. Surely, fleeing the country is a much bigger crime than saying "I'm displeased with the government." wich is actually a death sentence in North Korea. | ||
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Schplyok
64 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:48 Zoler wrote: A huge percentage of the north koreans that get out of NK actually go back. Any sources on this? Just genuinely interested  | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:31 Schplyok wrote: Any sources on this? Just genuinely interested Cba to search anything atm, but just few days ago, defector to South went back to North by stealing a fishing boat. Just a small example that it happens all the time. In other news, as i posted already on previous page: North Korea has told Britain it cannot guarantee diplomats' safety after April 10 in event of conflict: British government source Is it my english skills, or does this kinda hint towards something that is going to happen on 10th of april? | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:48 Zoler wrote: What? Why can't you guys just read a bit on North Korea before you go around discussing nonsense. A huge percentage of the north koreans that get out of NK actually go back. The usual reasons are that they don't like the new life in South Korea etc. Too hard for them to adapt also missing their family. With such a huge number that goes back to NK after leaving or "fleeing" I doubt there would be any horrible punishments. Where did you find these statistics? It's not that I think you are lying but I just am interested in finding more in depth information about North Korean defectors. I tried looking around the internet for such things but I was only able to find articles about specific returning defectors within the past few years and China's practice of returning discovered North Korean refugees to North Korea and nothing about the demographic as a whole. The reasons one would want to return to North Korea probably just have to do with being away from what you know. Things are probably very overwhelming for North Koreans living in South Korea - South Korea is one of the most metropolitan and fast-paced, competitive countries in the world. Leaving a life that is likely very simple in comparison to many other societies would be traumatic for anyone. The idea is somewhat reminiscent of that of the Amish in U.S. The Amish are raised basically without any technology or electricity until they turn 18 when they are told to enter the outside world. Some of these people choose to stay there but most actually return to the life that they know. That being said, there are support programs and organizations that will try to help assimilate North Koreans into South Korean society in addition to the fact that irrationally extreme punishments are not exactly secret in the North would probably be enough to deter many defectors from going north again. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 05 2013 20:41 Grettin wrote: Small update, which you can take how ever you want: Reuters: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source According to German news agency (dpa) the German embassy received something similar. That we should clear the embassy. Though we dont have a date. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11630 Posts
Edit: Ok, apparently not on April 9. From what i have found they started on march 1 and are supposed to last for 2 months. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:48 Zoler wrote: What? Why can't you guys just read a bit on North Korea before you go around discussing nonsense. A huge percentage of the north koreans that get out of NK actually go back. The usual reasons are that they don't like the new life in South Korea etc. Too hard for them to adapt also missing their family. With such a huge number that goes back to NK after leaving or "fleeing" I doubt there would be any horrible punishments. I was under the impression that there was brutal treatment if you ran away and got caught actually i just happen to watch a video on it yesterday. http://www.ted.com/talks/hyeonseo_lee_my_escape_from_north_korea.html Although granted she did escape in 1997 but i somehow doubt NK policy changing. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:26 Zocat wrote: According to German news agency (dpa) the German embassy received something similar. That we should clear the embassy. Though we dont have a date. Update from the British's embassy Britain has no intention of evacuating its embassy in North Korea, the Foreign Office has confirmed. A spokesman said there were "no current plans" to withdraw staff from the mission in Pyongyang, despite the regime warning that it would be unable to guarantee the safety of foreign embassies in the event of war breaking out. The spokesman said that Britain had not seen this as a recommendation to leave. Instead, North Korea was merely pointing out that "were this situation to escalate to conflict", then it might be unable to protect embassies in accordance with the Vienna Convention. In response to this message, the British Embassy had decided to continue as normal. via; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9973577/North-Korea-missile-threat-latest-live.html | ||
micronesia
United States24740 Posts
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Topin
Peru10093 Posts
there was a 6.2 magnitude earthquake in Russia / North Korea http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=97991dad04a0f608&hl=en&gl=US&source=web | ||
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micronesia
United States24740 Posts
edit: http://rt.com/news/earthquake-russia-korea-china-395/ No damage, very large depth. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:46 micronesia wrote: Hopefully nobody jumps to conclusions and freaks out due to all the tension in the region. Please (anyone) post when you find out what damage was caused, if any. edit: http://rt.com/news/earthquake-russia-korea-china-395/ No damage, very large depth. There probably was no damage since it was over 500km under. http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/ | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:43 Grettin wrote: Cba to search anything atm, but just few days ago, defector to South went back to North by stealing a fishing boat. Just a small example that it happens all the time. In other news, as i posted already on previous page: Is it my english skills, or does this kinda hint towards something that is going to happen on 10th of april? When NK defects to South, and it generally takes them traveling through three different countries through the route between NK and China border, they are doing it at the risk of their family members getting tortured and getting killed. This is one way ticket, period. I seriously doubt that there is even a remote possibility of them going back to NK simply because they can't adapt to the life in SK, not to mention SK government does a lot to help them ease into the society. The fishing boat incident, if I remember correctly, was reported in a way that the person was drunk and floated upward to NK in his sleep. | ||
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noD
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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KwarK
United States43231 Posts
On April 06 2013 00:02 noD wrote: They are very lucky that they don't have oil, otherwise US would have already oblitared them (for peace, ofc) It's a completely different situation with completely different forces at work to Iraq. Your comment should go back to 2003 where it belongs. | ||
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