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On April 04 2013 17:41 Greentellon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:29 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm amazed at how many random people on the internet know so much about warfare and potentional secret government stuff.
Feels like 80% of the stuff said in this thread is pulled right out of asses. Perhaps you can educate us then? There seems to be a lot of people here that care about what's happening and we'd love an in-depth explanation.
?? What are you on about son. I know jack shit about what goes on behind closed doors in pentagon, or where US submarines are and what their missile set-up looks like.
I can't educate you, and I don't know where you got that from.
I do care about what's going on. I'm just calling out all the "experts" here.
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On April 04 2013 17:29 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm amazed at how many random people on the internet know so much about warfare and potentional secret government stuff.
Feels like 80% of the stuff said in this thread is pulled right out of asses.
It's not hard when the primary parties are 1, a country using technology that was state of the art in the 1950-1960s and 2, a superpower that has been building its technology to counter/beat the technology of another superpower who has sold its garbage* sorry military technology* to said party 1. No one here is making any US vs DPRK military assumptions otherwise. It is completely in the realm of common knowledge that anything NK has militarily is hopelessly outclassed by the US/SK/Japan militaries.
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I got my visa a week ago to go to korea, along with plans to stay for about 6~12 months, though i haven't booked a ticket yet. Should i reconsider going?
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On April 04 2013 17:27 GoDannY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:06 sgfightmaster wrote:On April 04 2013 15:06 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 14:45 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 14:01 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 13:36 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 13:25 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 12:37 krndandaman wrote:On April 04 2013 11:52 zpikduM wrote:
Why would Russia or China want to get involved with NK right now? China makes a lot of its wealth from selling goods to the U.S. and its allies. Meanwhile, Russia has spent the last twenty years trying to bridge the gap between it and the US since the fall of the USSR.
What do either of these nations have to gain by supporting NK right now? To use a fair analogy, NK is low on chips at the poker table, and the only way its gonna get back into the game is to play high risk, to bluff, to be aggressive with the chips it has left. But what happens when someone calls their bluff? China is getting tired of NK but they remain their allies because what worries them more is the lack of a buffer zone between them and South Korea/USA. If NK collapses (which they will without Chinese help) the US/SK will be right on their borders. They don't want that. All these assumptions about China backing NK in case of it performing a nuclear strike are hilarious. What's even funnier is thinking in terms of SK/USA being a threat to Chinese border. As if USA and SK would simultaneously attack China with their ground forces rofl. This is just so fearmongerish and childish to me. Theres historical precedence for this, because it's exactly what happened during the korean war, and it's the main reason why the US/south korean forces couldn't reunify the country at that time. I don't think anyone wants the US and china to confront each other on the korean peninsula again. Historical precedence from cold war era doesn't explain anything that has to do with modern day affairs. It is entirely different and would simply not fly in this information age and 24/7 awareness. It's as good as modeling after 1812 events. You can't be serious or you are trolling me. The geopolitics haven't changed. North korea serves as the perfect buffer to a major US ally from their doorstep and they do not want to lose that. On April 04 2013 14:35 aksfjh wrote:
Do we have any SK opinions on this round of NK threats? I think people are more scared than usual because the rhetoric is a lot worse in this round of warmongering, people are still uncertain about kim jong-un's intentions, and because of nuclear bombs as a factor that wasn't there before. But south korea has gone through all kinds of north korean antics (sending commandos on a bus to kill the south korean president or digging underground tunnels to invade south korea easily) so I don't think people are sitting at home scared for their lives.. Geopolitics of tin soldiers and horses is very different from geopolitics of spirit bombers, nuclear submarines and laser beams. If you don't see how or why I can explain. I really think your and many other posters ideas on "buffer states" need to be seriously revised. Btw I don't even understand what you wrote in your answer, who's doorstep?.. i'm not sure why anyone would be so confused or think buffer states are irrelevant. basically the balance of power would shift way in favour of USA if they could station troops/bases that close to china. this means they have more leverage in trade discussions, negotiations etc and thats not really what china wants, is it? I really doubt it is a benefit to inhale NK from a military/strategic standpoint tbh. Imagine if Korea reunites somehow, either by force or peaceful, this is not at all like the German reunion. I mean even with a fairly strong industry/infrastructure it took ages to get both parts of Germany to a fairly equal level economy-wise (which btw even today isnt the case really) . Now you have SK which is a modern, high-tech society but a heavily on trade relying economy. NK meanwhile is basicly living in the past for 50 years and way behind in every aspect. Building up this area will be more than a heavy burden that noone can afford, even with all force combined. By that, I dont want to neglect that the reunion would be beneficial from a human standpoint, considering the camps (KZ) in NK, the political prisoners and also the aspect of reuniting the nation itself.
i dont know much about germany east or west so that was pretty interesting. all we were discussing is the possibility of china intervening in a war between NK and SK so i pointed out that having NK completely overrun would be strategically bad for china.
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On April 04 2013 17:47 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:41 Greentellon wrote:On April 04 2013 17:29 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm amazed at how many random people on the internet know so much about warfare and potentional secret government stuff.
Feels like 80% of the stuff said in this thread is pulled right out of asses. Perhaps you can educate us then? There seems to be a lot of people here that care about what's happening and we'd love an in-depth explanation. ?? What are you on about son. I know jack shit about what goes on behind closed doors in pentagon, or where US submarines are and what their missile set-up looks like. I can't educate you, and I don't know where you got that from. I do care about what's going on. I'm just calling out all the "experts" here.
In response to this, I obviously do not know where the US pacific sub force is. It takes all of a second to think however that any highly mobile strategic asset like SSBNs would be moved to wherever the current crisis is. Thus logical thought would lead one to them being within striking range of NK.
The 688i class of US subs is the land attack version of the 688, regardless they can easily fulfill both strategic (meaning nuclear) or regular hunter killer missions, and again, it does not take an expert to assume that there would be most of the
Pacific fleet contingent of these vessels to be monitoring the NK situation.
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On April 04 2013 18:04 sgfightmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:27 GoDannY wrote:On April 04 2013 17:06 sgfightmaster wrote:On April 04 2013 15:06 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 14:45 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 14:01 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 13:36 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 13:25 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 12:37 krndandaman wrote:On April 04 2013 11:52 zpikduM wrote:
Why would Russia or China want to get involved with NK right now? China makes a lot of its wealth from selling goods to the U.S. and its allies. Meanwhile, Russia has spent the last twenty years trying to bridge the gap between it and the US since the fall of the USSR.
What do either of these nations have to gain by supporting NK right now? To use a fair analogy, NK is low on chips at the poker table, and the only way its gonna get back into the game is to play high risk, to bluff, to be aggressive with the chips it has left. But what happens when someone calls their bluff? China is getting tired of NK but they remain their allies because what worries them more is the lack of a buffer zone between them and South Korea/USA. If NK collapses (which they will without Chinese help) the US/SK will be right on their borders. They don't want that. All these assumptions about China backing NK in case of it performing a nuclear strike are hilarious. What's even funnier is thinking in terms of SK/USA being a threat to Chinese border. As if USA and SK would simultaneously attack China with their ground forces rofl. This is just so fearmongerish and childish to me. Theres historical precedence for this, because it's exactly what happened during the korean war, and it's the main reason why the US/south korean forces couldn't reunify the country at that time. I don't think anyone wants the US and china to confront each other on the korean peninsula again. Historical precedence from cold war era doesn't explain anything that has to do with modern day affairs. It is entirely different and would simply not fly in this information age and 24/7 awareness. It's as good as modeling after 1812 events. You can't be serious or you are trolling me. The geopolitics haven't changed. North korea serves as the perfect buffer to a major US ally from their doorstep and they do not want to lose that. On April 04 2013 14:35 aksfjh wrote:
Do we have any SK opinions on this round of NK threats? I think people are more scared than usual because the rhetoric is a lot worse in this round of warmongering, people are still uncertain about kim jong-un's intentions, and because of nuclear bombs as a factor that wasn't there before. But south korea has gone through all kinds of north korean antics (sending commandos on a bus to kill the south korean president or digging underground tunnels to invade south korea easily) so I don't think people are sitting at home scared for their lives.. Geopolitics of tin soldiers and horses is very different from geopolitics of spirit bombers, nuclear submarines and laser beams. If you don't see how or why I can explain. I really think your and many other posters ideas on "buffer states" need to be seriously revised. Btw I don't even understand what you wrote in your answer, who's doorstep?.. i'm not sure why anyone would be so confused or think buffer states are irrelevant. basically the balance of power would shift way in favour of USA if they could station troops/bases that close to china. this means they have more leverage in trade discussions, negotiations etc and thats not really what china wants, is it? I really doubt it is a benefit to inhale NK from a military/strategic standpoint tbh. Imagine if Korea reunites somehow, either by force or peaceful, this is not at all like the German reunion. I mean even with a fairly strong industry/infrastructure it took ages to get both parts of Germany to a fairly equal level economy-wise (which btw even today isnt the case really) . Now you have SK which is a modern, high-tech society but a heavily on trade relying economy. NK meanwhile is basicly living in the past for 50 years and way behind in every aspect. Building up this area will be more than a heavy burden that noone can afford, even with all force combined. By that, I dont want to neglect that the reunion would be beneficial from a human standpoint, considering the camps (KZ) in NK, the political prisoners and also the aspect of reuniting the nation itself. i dont know much about germany east or west so that was pretty interesting. all we were discussing is the possibility of china intervening in a war between NK and SK so i pointed out that having NK completely overrun would be strategically bad for china.
It still makes less sense for China to support NK and risk pissing off its top trading partner. If NK launches a military offensive and SK and the US intervene, they wouldn't produce any direct military aid to NK.
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On April 04 2013 17:58 Cubu wrote:
I got my visa a week ago to go to korea, along with plans to stay for about 6~12 months, though i haven't booked a ticket yet. Should i reconsider going?
From someone living in Seoul at the moment, the situation is really calm. Regular South Koreans are not at all worried about the situation, and the worst sign I got was a message from the French consulate saying there was no need to panic. 
In any case, take comfort in the fact that if a nuclear bomb falls on Seoul, you probably won't feel pain for very long.
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On April 04 2013 18:06 Cornstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:47 TOCHMY wrote:On April 04 2013 17:41 Greentellon wrote:On April 04 2013 17:29 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm amazed at how many random people on the internet know so much about warfare and potentional secret government stuff.
Feels like 80% of the stuff said in this thread is pulled right out of asses. Perhaps you can educate us then? There seems to be a lot of people here that care about what's happening and we'd love an in-depth explanation. ?? What are you on about son. I know jack shit about what goes on behind closed doors in pentagon, or where US submarines are and what their missile set-up looks like. I can't educate you, and I don't know where you got that from. I do care about what's going on. I'm just calling out all the "experts" here. In response to this, I obviously do not know where the US pacific sub force is. It takes all of a second to think however that any highly mobile strategic asset like SSBNs would be moved to wherever the current crisis is. Thus logical thought would lead one to them being within striking range of NK. The 688i class of US subs is the land attack version of the 688, regardless they can easily fulfill both strategic (meaning nuclear) or regular hunter killer missions, and again, it does not take an expert to assume that there would be most of the Pacific fleet contingent of these vessels to be monitoring the NK situation.
The problem occurs when one does not make clear that it is "logical" or "my opinion" or "assumed" rather just stated as facts.
On April 04 2013 18:10 scFoX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:58 Cubu wrote:
I got my visa a week ago to go to korea, along with plans to stay for about 6~12 months, though i haven't booked a ticket yet. Should i reconsider going? From someone living in Seoul at the moment, the situation is really calm. Regular South Koreans are not at all worried about the situation, and the worst sign I got was a message from the French consulate saying there was no need to panic. In any case, take comfort in the fact that if a nuclear bomb falls on Seoul, you probably won't feel pain for very long.
Hahahaha comforting words indeed!
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On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy.
I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really.
Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history.
All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems...
That's my two cents.
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The thing the bugs me most is that here in France i only have TL that speaks about this. I listen to some news radio station every evening while coming back to work and the "first french radio" never even spoke about the tensions that happens in SK,NK with USA.
I don't understand why because when i see this thread there is a lot to talk about on the news...
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On April 04 2013 18:27 iMAniaC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy. I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really. Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history. All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems... That's my two cents.
Im pretty sure Japan would have some role in an attack on NK. Most likely some sort of air support / sea lane security role. That would also be in line with the constitution. Not so sure about dipatching troops though.
As for the Iraq war, Japan did send a troop contingent but only to support humanitarian aid. Japan cant intervene militarily unless its considered self defence. Id say a pre-emptive strike on north korea could be considered self defence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Iraq_Reconstruction_and_Support_Group
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On April 04 2013 18:27 iMAniaC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy. I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really. Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history. All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems... That's my two cents.
China will never forget the horrors committed by the japanese in the ww2
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On April 04 2013 18:09 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 18:04 sgfightmaster wrote:On April 04 2013 17:27 GoDannY wrote:On April 04 2013 17:06 sgfightmaster wrote:On April 04 2013 15:06 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 14:45 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 14:01 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 13:36 white_horse wrote:On April 04 2013 13:25 chimpandfrog wrote:On April 04 2013 12:37 krndandaman wrote:
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China is getting tired of NK but they remain their allies because what worries them more is the lack of a buffer zone between them and South Korea/USA.
If NK collapses (which they will without Chinese help) the US/SK will be right on their borders. They don't want that. All these assumptions about China backing NK in case of it performing a nuclear strike are hilarious. What's even funnier is thinking in terms of SK/USA being a threat to Chinese border. As if USA and SK would simultaneously attack China with their ground forces rofl. This is just so fearmongerish and childish to me. Theres historical precedence for this, because it's exactly what happened during the korean war, and it's the main reason why the US/south korean forces couldn't reunify the country at that time. I don't think anyone wants the US and china to confront each other on the korean peninsula again. Historical precedence from cold war era doesn't explain anything that has to do with modern day affairs. It is entirely different and would simply not fly in this information age and 24/7 awareness. It's as good as modeling after 1812 events. You can't be serious or you are trolling me. The geopolitics haven't changed. North korea serves as the perfect buffer to a major US ally from their doorstep and they do not want to lose that. On April 04 2013 14:35 aksfjh wrote:
Do we have any SK opinions on this round of NK threats? I think people are more scared than usual because the rhetoric is a lot worse in this round of warmongering, people are still uncertain about kim jong-un's intentions, and because of nuclear bombs as a factor that wasn't there before. But south korea has gone through all kinds of north korean antics (sending commandos on a bus to kill the south korean president or digging underground tunnels to invade south korea easily) so I don't think people are sitting at home scared for their lives.. Geopolitics of tin soldiers and horses is very different from geopolitics of spirit bombers, nuclear submarines and laser beams. If you don't see how or why I can explain. I really think your and many other posters ideas on "buffer states" need to be seriously revised. Btw I don't even understand what you wrote in your answer, who's doorstep?.. i'm not sure why anyone would be so confused or think buffer states are irrelevant. basically the balance of power would shift way in favour of USA if they could station troops/bases that close to china. this means they have more leverage in trade discussions, negotiations etc and thats not really what china wants, is it? I really doubt it is a benefit to inhale NK from a military/strategic standpoint tbh. Imagine if Korea reunites somehow, either by force or peaceful, this is not at all like the German reunion. I mean even with a fairly strong industry/infrastructure it took ages to get both parts of Germany to a fairly equal level economy-wise (which btw even today isnt the case really) . Now you have SK which is a modern, high-tech society but a heavily on trade relying economy. NK meanwhile is basicly living in the past for 50 years and way behind in every aspect. Building up this area will be more than a heavy burden that noone can afford, even with all force combined. By that, I dont want to neglect that the reunion would be beneficial from a human standpoint, considering the camps (KZ) in NK, the political prisoners and also the aspect of reuniting the nation itself. i dont know much about germany east or west so that was pretty interesting. all we were discussing is the possibility of china intervening in a war between NK and SK so i pointed out that having NK completely overrun would be strategically bad for china. It still makes less sense for China to support NK and risk pissing off its top trading partner. If NK launches a military offensive and SK and the US intervene, they wouldn't produce any direct military aid to NK.
china would just occupy NK. it's not about backing NK, it never was. it's about not having NK under SK/US influence.
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This sums up alot about what is going on for me. Good read also and makes alot of sense too.
http://news.sky.com/story/1073667/kim-firepower-a-factor-in-us-next-korea-move
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"It only takes being wrong once. And I don't want to be the secretary of defence who was wrong once."
The words of new US defence secretary Chuck Hagel, at a recent news conference, neatly sum up the problem that is North Korea.
The language and behaviour of Kim Jong-Un and his generals is alarming, there's no doubt about that.
But does he mean it? Will he follow through? Will he, can he, bomb American bases in Japan, South Korea and Guam? Almost certainly not.
Everyone though knows the story about the boy who cried wolf.
Given the weapons and technology North Korea does have, no-one is taking any chances.
"They have nuclear capacity now. They have missile delivery capacity now," Mr Hagel reminded an audience at a speech in Washington last night.
Why then, you might ask, is it worth waiting to see whether Mr Kim is serious or not? Surely, some say, now is the time to reduce his capability with a pre-emptive strike?
To strike first would undoubtedly provoke a dangerous reaction from Mr Kim. He would have an excuse to use all he has.
He would have nothing to lose and would probably go down fighting.
At the moment, two assumptions are being made. One: that the overriding objective of the Kim regime is to remain in power. Two: that the regime knows that it would face certain annihilation if it did carry out any of its threats.
Put those two assumptions together and the wisdom is that this is all bluff and bluster.
However, given the level of tension and the fact that so many weapons are effectively "locked and loaded" on both sides, the chances of some sort of miscalculation, misunderstanding or accident is very real.
A final thought: I am writing this as I board a plane for Seoul from a holiday in Japan.
I am in Hiroshima: a place where they have 166,000 reasons to know the impact of the weapons at the heart of this crisis.
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On April 04 2013 18:58 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 18:27 iMAniaC wrote:On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy. I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really. Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history. All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems... That's my two cents. China will never forget the horrors committed by the japanese in the ww2
Well theyre doing the best they can to keep the hate alive as far as I can tell. Good for you the native americans forgot what you did to them in SA!
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On April 04 2013 19:27 Robinsa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 18:58 ImFromPortugal wrote:On April 04 2013 18:27 iMAniaC wrote:On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy. I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really. Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history. All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems... That's my two cents. China will never forget the horrors committed by the japanese in the ww2 Well theyre doing the best they can to keep the hate alive as far as I can tell. Good for you the native americans forgot what you did to them in SA!
Well history is hard to forget and it wasn't that long ago, i understand hate is not the answer but it isn't easy. And btw im not american.
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Come on North Korea, Pearl Harbor was like 1,000 years ago. Get over it.
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On April 04 2013 17:58 Cubu wrote:
I got my visa a week ago to go to korea, along with plans to stay for about 6~12 months, though i haven't booked a ticket yet. Should i reconsider going?
Shit can happen anyday of your 6-12 months hiatus. I wouldn't be that afraid of travelling to Korea despite the situation. #Yolo and so on!
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Sorry for double post:
Defense chief says North's missile movement not aimed at U.S. mainland
SEOUL, April 4 (Yonhap) -- South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said Thursday that North Korea has moved an intermediate-range missile to its east coast for an imminent test firing or military drill, but it does not seem to be aimed at striking the U.S. mainland.
In a parliamentary defense committee meeting, Kim refuted media reports that Pyongyang has moved a KN-08 missile, which is believed to have a range of 10,000 kilometers, into position to strike the U.S.
Yonhap
N. Korean defector in South crosses western sea border
A North Korean defector who was living in South Korea crossed the tensely guarded western sea border on a fishing boat he stole, military officials said Thursday, amid high tensions on the Korean Peninsula.
Lee Hyeok-chul, 28, stole a 9-ton crab fishing boat on the border island of Yeonpyeong and sailed across the maritime border called the Northern Limit Line (NLL) in the Yellow Sea at 10:49 p.m. on Wednesday.
"The ship was anchored at a port after being used for fishing during the daytime," a senior military official at the Joint Chiefs of Staff said. "The crab fisherman is seen to have illegally taken the ship at night."
The keys had been left in the engine of the fishing boat, according to officials.
The boat's owner called Lee's cell phone to urge him to return, but he continued sailing north, the official said, in an apparent attempt to return to the communist country.
By the time the South Korean Navy detected the ship approaching the NLL, it was only 1 kilometer from the border, the military officials noted.
"The ship is seen to have made its approach near the radar's blind spot," the official said.
Lee had fled his communist homeland and arrived in the South in March 2007, and came to Yeonpyeong Island two months ago to work as a crab fisherman, they noted. Lee is known to have fled North Korea on four occasions before entering South Korea.
"Investigations are currently underway to figure out the exact cause of his border crossing," a defense ministry official said.
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On April 04 2013 20:02 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 19:27 Robinsa wrote:On April 04 2013 18:58 ImFromPortugal wrote:On April 04 2013 18:27 iMAniaC wrote:On April 04 2013 10:46 docvoc wrote:
What would happen if Japan were to get involved? How much of a burden would be put on them since Japan and China aren't exactly chummy. I think this would be quite of a big deal, actually. After WW2, it was decided that it would be best if Japan did not send troops outside their borders ever again, and so it was written their constitution that they should not have any military, only internal defence forces. Of course, those defence forces are, for all intents and purposes, a significant military, but the thought that they should not go outside Japan's borders are so ingrained in the minds of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, that actually having them go to North Korea wouldn't sit well with anyone, really. Japanese defence forces have actually gone to Iraq (if I remember correctly), but the Koreans have not forgotten that Japan annexed the whole of Korea a hundred years ago, so having them go ("back") to North Korea is very different and many Koreans do actually harbour strong feelings against the Japanese. It's not like the friendly bickering between the US or Canada or something like that; they're really not friends even though they often try to be. If Japanese forces went to North Korea, there are bound to be someone making mistakes, probably on all sides (i.e. NK civilians, SK military and Japanese) and the relationship would be even further strained. And China would probably make a big fuss about it as well, making sure everyone remembers their history. All in all, though, I think the diplomatic relations would be able to take the strain. After all, it might be even worse if the Japanese would sit back and let the South Korean solve their own problems... That's my two cents. China will never forget the horrors committed by the japanese in the ww2 Well theyre doing the best they can to keep the hate alive as far as I can tell. Good for you the native americans forgot what you did to them in SA! Well history is hard to forget and it wasn't that long ago, i understand hate is not the answer but it isn't easy. And btw im not american.
It seems like you've forgot too :D
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