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Puosu
6985 Posts
On April 17 2017 19:15 bardtown wrote: Illogical. If they didn't have nukes and they weren't firing missiles into other countries' territories then nobody would be interested in them at all. People tend to be interested in millions of people being oppressed and being placed in death camps fyi | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On April 17 2017 20:39 Puosu wrote: People tend to be interested in millions of people being oppressed and being placed in death camps fyi Not even someone as bad as Hitler ever used death ca.....oh wait. Thanks a lot Sean. | ||
KwarK
United States42956 Posts
On April 17 2017 21:16 Ayaz2810 wrote: Not even someone as bad as Hitler ever used death ca.....oh wait. Thanks a lot Sean. No but you see North Korea are putting their own people in them. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On April 17 2017 22:09 KwarK wrote: No but you see North Korea are putting their own people in them. So did Hitler? | ||
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KwarK
United States42956 Posts
That's the joke. Spicey said Assad was worse than Hitler because Hitler didn't use poison gas. It was pointed out that Hitler did and Spicey clarified a few times including one that mirrored my post. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Eridanus
United States75 Posts
On April 17 2017 23:34 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: 3 generation penalty for crimes against regime is somewhat from the other universe and yet somehow existing in NK which wonders me the most lol It is not from another universe. It is from the bible. Well, only if you also include the 4th generation. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On April 17 2017 23:46 Eridanus wrote: It is not from another universe. It is from the bible. Well, only if you also include the 4th generation. Kids born in prison glad to hear such religios reference of their penalty for sure... Technicly NK is the best product of Soviets/for soviets, and the worst nightmare for people living there, incredible | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On April 17 2017 20:09 Simberto wrote: Yeah, like Iraq, which didn't have nukes and didn't fire missiles into other countries territories. Or Afghanistan. Or Ukraine. Nobody cared about them at all. Iraq did fire missiles (or at least bullets) into other countries territories (Kuwait, and Iran for that matter, but we didn't like Iran either) The issue is NK will not stop its nuclear program as long as it wants to remain North Korea ruled from Pyongyang, and not Bejing or Seoul or Washington. They are surrounded by major powers (the above and also Japan and Russia), and they can either get deterrence or have to become a lapdog to one of those powers to hold off the others. Apparently they don't want to be China's lapdog enough, so they're going nuclear. | ||
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micronesia
United States24701 Posts
Pure hypothetical. Some nutjob terrorist plants weapons in Seoul (biological, nuclear, whatever) and convinces the public that the weapons, while too well hidden to find, will go off in a couple of days or something like that. How hard would it be to evacuate Seoul in that time period? What casualties would you expect purely due to the evacuation? Would NK think the end is nigh and launch a pre-emptive suicidal attack before Seoul was emptied? How does the game of chess change on the Korean Peninsula if Seoul is empty? | ||
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Eridanus
United States75 Posts
I know N Korea has been acting rationally all along, but their strategy has been to project themselves to be completely irrational. But in their own delusion, they may thing the US actually is irrational. And that now with Obama to Trump, nothing has changed. Hopefully within the regime, they will realize that Trump is a genuine irrational actor and that they cannot call his bluff. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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KwarK
United States42956 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States1698 Posts
Honestly I'm not worried about NK, the Kim dynasty -- while acting loony -- are quite rational. The scary thing would be if there was an Islamist coup in Pakistan (also a nuclear power). Now that'd be horrific. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iVuEh0G.png) If projectile flight distances reach proven ranges (or commonly accepted ones) and involve these new systems, then the northern portion of Seoul could be saturated with fire. Even areas south of the Han River could be within range of 170-mm self-propelled guns, 240-mm multiple rocket launchers or 300-mm multiple rocket launchers, depending on their position on the North Korean side of the DMZ. If every one of Pyongyang's 300-mm multiple rocket launcher systems were directed against Seoul, their range would be sufficient to rain fire across the city and beyond. A single volley could deliver more than 350 metric tons of explosives across the South Korean capital, roughly the same amount of ordnance dropped by 11 B-52 bombers. www.stratfor.com One thing that's been freaking me out is I've heard a number of US Senators and Representatives say that they feel that Kim Jong Un is less rational than his father. You know, this guy: ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Say_cheese...in_Korean%21.jpg) | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
On April 18 2017 08:38 micronesia wrote: Trying not to fill up the US Politics thread with NK talk, but it's difficult because of how front and center it is right now... regardless... Pure hypothetical. Some nutjob terrorist plants weapons in Seoul (biological, nuclear, whatever) and convinces the public that the weapons, while too well hidden to find, will go off in a couple of days or something like that. How hard would it be to evacuate Seoul in that time period? What casualties would you expect purely due to the evacuation? Would NK think the end is nigh and launch a pre-emptive suicidal attack before Seoul was emptied? How does the game of chess change on the Korean Peninsula if Seoul is empty? That wont change anything I think. Lives will be safed but the economic damage will still be enormous and then you also have to take care of 10m? people who are now homeless. And seoul is not the only city,NK can hit almost anything in south korea with a lot of force. Maybe airforce can take out many artillery positions,i don't know how viable that would be. But this is all very far fetched, the usa wont do anything. I don't think china would accept it. There also is no exit strategy,china will not allow kim to be replaced by someone who is not aligned to them. They already have troops on the border,not only to protect themselves but also ready to invade incase something happens that they don't like,either by kim or by the usa. There is nothing to win,no good outcome. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4014 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States1698 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
Nice image. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On April 18 2017 22:08 LightSpectra wrote: In response to Necrophagist and others who think we should go to war with NK before it's too late, we have to do something: I don't see what's so special about NK. You think Stalin's USSR or Mao's China were much different when they got nukes? How come we didn't bomb them to kingdom-come? Honestly I'm not worried about NK, the Kim dynasty -- while acting loony -- are quite rational. The scary thing would be if there was an Islamist coup in Pakistan (also a nuclear power). Now that'd be horrific. When Stalin's Russia got Nukes it matched the US in military power. When Mao 's China got Nukes it would probably have been protected by the (now nuclear) USSR. North Korea's conventional military is far outmatched by that of the US, and if the US nuked/invaded North Korea right now, there would be some major repercussions but I doubt anyone Else would fire any nukes at the US. (especially if the US let China take possession of North Korea, and gave China the heads up) For NK the nuke is a much bigger game changer than it was for the USSR in the 50s or China in the 60s. (still a game changer then, but US war with North Korea would not be WW3 like war with the USSR or China would have been (although it would be really, really bad) | ||
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