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CorradoCB
Profile Joined February 2013
United States9 Posts
March 21 2013 10:42 GMT
#361
I am really into this show! I've been watching it since the start and like the way they did it. It reminds me of how Deadwood used modern language and behaviors to "fit" today's audience better.

The best part about Spartacus for me is that there is a bit of truth to a lot of what happens on the show.
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
March 21 2013 15:39 GMT
#362
On March 18 2013 09:10 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 15:23 slappy wrote:
I thought a lot of water broke on this episode. + Show Spoiler +
Laeta and spartacus finally get cozy, gannicus and whats-her-name finally do it, Agron and the selician finally made up, spartacus and crixus finally got the bro-fight out of their system, kore began whatever plot she has conceived to rid herself of Tiberius, Tiberius finally got back in command, but nothing happened. Oh, and spartacus broke out of the contain... lol

EDIT 2: AND NAEVIA FINALLY FUCKING GOT STABBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the next episode preview clip looks pretty enticing. I won't spoil it for you guys in case you didn't watch it, but I'm curious what else will happen besides sex and fighting, like how the story will progress since there's only 3 more episodes. What do you guys think? One more "filler" episode of preparing for the finale and delving into Kore's plot, then 2 episodes of blood and guts?

EDIT: also, in this episode, + Show Spoiler +
it seemed like Kore's encounter with Crassus in the tent was her figuring out that he knew Tiberius was fucking her and that he was basically telling her that's her place (go listen to that whole conversation again, Crassus really sounds like he's saying he knows what happened (Tiberius raping Kore), which actually makes her killing the guards and joining the rebellion a likely possibility. Especially because in her leaving, and Caesar not having an answer for Crassus on the subject when it was discovered in the morning, and being responsible for Kore being there in the first place, makes her leaving to go behind enemy lines (like Caesar did) more unlikely because it puts Caesar in a dis-favorable position with Crassus and he's already in a bind since he got put beneath Tiberius. Why would Caesar willingly bring Kore to the encampment knowing that she'd kill some guards and join the rebellion? Unless there is more to the plot that has yet to be revealed to us, which the writers obviously love to do to their viewers. All I'm trying to say is I think there's a possibility Kore actually joined the rebellion to escape rape of Tiberius after she realized Crassus was going to keep her in the city regardless. Maybe Spartacus can have a 3some with Laeta and Kore now I'd be a happy man to die after such an occasion


There is no way Crassus knew that the boy raped her. It was clear that Tiberius didn't tell him and besides that how else would he have known?


I thought slappy's idea was interesting so I rewatched a lot of the conversations between Kore and Crassus, and I find it very plausible he knows and even expected it. I would find it very in line with his character too.

      When Tiberius is in the followers camp, but before rape
+ Show Spoiler +
Crassus: "I look into his eyes and no longer gaze upon the boy I knew"
Kore: "I have witnessed cold distance in his stare. You should break words and draw him near where he belongs"
Crassus: "Nothing do I crave more, yet he must find his own path or be forever lost"
Kore: "Of course. It weighs heavy seeing one so loved cast adrift"
Crassus: "I can offer him no light upon welcoming shore... Yet you may appear as bright as the North Star, constant in his guidance"
Some more dialogue and then they have sex, scene ending with a tear dropping from Crassus onto Kore.

Upon rewatching this scene it is easy to interpret it as this is where he realizes/gets the idea. "Yet you may appear as bright as the North Star". The tear onto Kore symbolizes his realization and regret that he must sacrifice his relationship with her for the greater good of his son, echoed in the words "It weighs heavy seeing one so loved cast adrift"

The next scene with Kore is the rape scene, where she is in Tiberius tent to share the bottle of wine gifted from his father.


      In the scene afterwards between Crassus and Kore, where Tiberius joins in
+ Show Spoiler +
Crassus tells her she is to leave the followers camp to live with him. Kore crying.
Crassus: "There is no cause for tears on such a day"
Kore: "They are of joy, to find myself delivered from the followers' camp"
Crassus: "Delivered?" Quick distant look.
Here it feels like he instantly knows what has happened, and when Tiberius joins there are many cues in facial expression and words hinting at this, such as "A man does what is required when fate calls upon him". Also Tiberius almost flat out tells his father what has happened given his wording and the state of Kore.


Given all this, I think slappy is right and the main reason to keep her in Sinuessa is to reward his son and keep him on his new track. Crassus also says to her "As long as the womans stands clear o heart's desire", which can be interpreted as "I don't care if he fucks you as long as you love me". This becomes apparent to her and that is why she decides to leave for the rebels.

A big bit of analyzing here, and maybe I'm reading too much into it but I must really give the actor playing Crassus, Simon Merrells, credit. He gives life to Crassus as a cold planning mind with small facial expressions telling the story of deeper thoughts behind everything told to him.
furlyman
Profile Joined September 2011
55 Posts
March 21 2013 16:05 GMT
#363
I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
March 22 2013 01:41 GMT
#364
On March 22 2013 01:05 furlyman wrote:
I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!

you started at season 3? T_T
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
March 22 2013 13:53 GMT
#365
On March 22 2013 10:41 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:05 furlyman wrote:
I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!

you started at season 3? T_T


BROTHER, seeing erroneus words fallen from mouth saddens my heart and my will.

You shall not disrespect the HONOR of Spartacus BROTHER!

watch 2 > 1 > 3 > 4. You'll get a better hold of the story that way .
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Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
March 22 2013 16:07 GMT
#366
2 is simply prequel to season 1
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
March 22 2013 16:24 GMT
#367
"2" is a stand alone mini series, isn't it? Anyhow, watching it spoilers season 1, or rather, the first and last 10 minutes of Gods of the Arena show the ending of season 1.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13933 Posts
March 22 2013 16:31 GMT
#368
yeah 2 spoilers season 1 I don't know why you'd recommend watching it before 1.

they made 2 as a stop gap when they didn't know if the original Spartacus was going to make it though his cancer.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
March 23 2013 01:08 GMT
#369
NEW EPISODE TODAY hype
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
March 23 2013 01:10 GMT
#370
Get HYPEDDDDD!!!!!!!!!! Been waiting all week for this. Crixus better fuck some people up.
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
March 23 2013 01:24 GMT
#371
ssssssssssssssssssssSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMON' SPARTACUS !!!!!!
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
March 23 2013 03:07 GMT
#372
odds that naevia is still alive next episode? I don't see any realistic reason for crassus to let her live; while I respect the way they did that final scene, it was a little odd for that possibility to be left open.

tiberius basically needs to be crucified for karma to come back around on all the action he got tonight. busy guy.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
March 23 2013 03:13 GMT
#373
Honestly maybe it's best to watch 3 to start so you don't get your expectations too high and get swept away by 1 and 2.
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Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
March 23 2013 03:22 GMT
#374
On March 23 2013 12:07 TheExile19 wrote:
odds that naevia is still alive next episode? I don't see any realistic reason for crassus to let her live; while I respect the way they did that final scene, it was a little odd for that possibility to be left open.

tiberius basically needs to be crucified for karma to come back around on all the action he got tonight. busy guy.


Looked like she was still alive in the previews for next ep. Showed her riding into the camp.
It is what it is
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 03:58:44
March 23 2013 03:49 GMT
#375
OMG CEASER GOT RAPED BY TASTELESS

update: Oh shit, he kills crixus too
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
March 23 2013 04:20 GMT
#376
Okay this episode was weird as hell... seemed like it moved insanely fast. First thing they're partying and agreeing to split ways amicably, next thing you know Crixus is at Rome's doorstep, kills a legion, and then Crassus shows up and Crixus dies? Naevia prob going to be executed Ad Gladium.


Rape scene was super uncomfortable, imagine what the two henchmen were thinking during that.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
March 23 2013 04:21 GMT
#377
:'(
YOLO
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
March 23 2013 04:26 GMT
#378
On March 23 2013 12:49 Arkless wrote:
OMG CEASER GOT RAPED BY TASTELESS

update: Oh shit, he kills crixus too


and agron, I'm pretty sure? it's insane how much of a psycho killer tiberius is this episode...crixus/agron/caesar's butt, all conquered.

I'm not too thrilled to hear that I apparently missed naevia being in next episode, buuuuuuut it just occurred to me that she'll probably get set free by caesar to reflect poorly on tiberius or something in that vein.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
March 23 2013 04:27 GMT
#379
Yeah Tiberius did go a little crazy... the whole feud with Caesar seemed unjustified and they ended up doing what Caesar suggested anyway.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
March 23 2013 04:58 GMT
#380
Crixus and Agron definitely deserved better than a death at Tiberius's hand.

With 2 episodes left I thought that Crixus' march to Rome would be a lot more fleshed out.
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