The third season of Spartacus has finally come! The first episode is on January 25th, and apparently this will be the last season.
Trailer:
Summary from the starz website:
Gaius Claudius Glaber is dead. The rebellion has swelled to thousands of freed slaves, and Spartacus, alongside his generals Crixus, Gannicus and Agron, prepares for war with Rome.
The Roman Senate turns to Marcus Crassus, a wealthy, strategic politician, for aid. With a young Julius Caesar as an ally, Crassus must crush the rebellion.
The epic conclusion of a legendary journey, "Spartacus: War of the Damned" unleashes a battle unlike anything ever seen before.
Wow, they're really stepping up the CGI. We've now got battles with thousands of warriors. I am going to watch the shit out of this. It's just too bad that we all know how this ends + Show Spoiler +
I will probably watch this season I only saw the first and second the third was pretty meh and I stopped watching. But this one loks really good everything looks revamped can't wait.
watched the first episode on starz website, fucking sweet start to the series. I think Crassus is the best antagonist so far! Really stoked about the upcoming episodes
On January 26 2013 09:23 Ohhsee wrote: This has got to be better than the horse piss that was last season, Liam Mcintire is fucking embarrassing. Really excited!!
You have to think of the last season, as a "new show" Of course Liam won't hold up to Andy's portrayl of spartacus. And yes, they are the same character. But they aren't playing the same role. I enjoyed last season as it's own season. This season will be sick.
On January 26 2013 09:23 Ohhsee wrote: This has got to be better than the horse piss that was last season, Liam Mcintire is fucking embarrassing. Really excited!!
I know right. Donald Trump is more muscular than this guy, surely they could've found someone better.
On January 26 2013 09:37 floor exercise wrote: This reminds me I still haven't watched the second half of last season since it was so terrible. Apparently it improved
It got a lot better starting with epsiode 5. Prior to that the overemphasis on drama over action brought out the worst in the cast. Once things started to pick up the Season became arguably as good as the first one.
Haven't watched the first ep of this season yet. I really enjoyed last season and the first season a lot. Very in on this thread. Hope this one is very heavy on titties and ass.
Is it just me who's not terribly excited over this.
Watching the trailer and seeing the new Spartacus actor just reminded me how below average the last season was, and how the only parts of it I enjoyed were when he was not the main character in the scene. His fake grieving, his fake anger, his fake leadership were all very annoying aspects of the last season. I'll only watch this third season for Gannicus.
Also, where's Crixus in all these trailers? The lack of Crixus seems to imply he dies early on, in which case again I'll be losing my interest.
Well... you can answer every question you have by reading the wikipedia spoiler. it has been fairly on point about everything... Historical accuracy trumps acting prowess. and ye, I miss the 1st season guy too.
Loses points for not being exactly the most thrilling opening episode. The opening scene with spartacus' horse was kind of stupid. I would say the choreography was a bit on the lower end of things. And the acting in general leaved much to be desired. But most of this is being really specific with the criticism, as a whole I enjoyed it. Looking forward to the new 'bad guy'
I liked the first episode. The fight scenes kinda dragged on in places. I really enjoyed all of the Crassus and son scenes. One thing this show has historically done extremely well is make their antagonists/villains likeable characters with believable and human motivations and desires rather than blindly evil assholes. Seems like they're going even further in this direction with Crassus, and this is likely because of the way the series will most likely be ending (Crassus will defeat Spartacus).
Just watched the first episode and I'm super pumped. As a lover of history and a classicist, this show can be appalling at times. But as a man, fuck yeah it's awesome
Looks like it will be fun which is all I really expect out of the show now. It's missing some dynamism it had at the villa. Crassus/gladiator was well done. Surprised they jumped ahead to Crassus already. There are some interesting historical moments they could touch upon.
I liked it. I thought the opening scene with Spartacus on the horse was amazingly stupid, and the little random orgy with Gannicus was thrown in just for fan service, but other than that it was totally awesome.
On January 27 2013 14:04 dAPhREAk wrote: this isnt the guy from blood and sand right? looks good nonetheless. enjoyed the first one immensely, second was meh.
If you mean the original Spartacus actor, no, not him, that guy died.
I don't know... if I have the time, I might watch it. Vengeance was okay, but it had a lot of dull and boring moments where the blood & sex thing was basically useless and was there just for the appeal. Plus, one of my favourite characters died at the end + Show Spoiler +
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. So until I'm bored, I'll stick with the new series of Californication, thank you. :D
On January 27 2013 15:38 MVega wrote: I liked it. I thought the opening scene with Spartacus on the horse was amazingly stupid, and the little random orgy with Gannicus was thrown in just for fan service, but other than that it was totally awesome.
On January 27 2013 14:04 dAPhREAk wrote: this isnt the guy from blood and sand right? looks good nonetheless. enjoyed the first one immensely, second was meh.
If you mean the original Spartacus actor, no, not him, that guy died.
On January 27 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote: I liked the first episode. The fight scenes kinda dragged on in places. I really enjoyed all of the Crassus and son scenes. One thing this show has historically done extremely well is make their antagonists/villains likeable characters with believable and human motivations and desires rather than blindly evil assholes. + Show Spoiler +
Seems like they're going even further in this direction with Crassus, and this is likely because of the way the series will most likely be ending (Crassus will defeat Spartacus).
On January 27 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote: I liked the first episode. The fight scenes kinda dragged on in places. I really enjoyed all of the Crassus and son scenes. One thing this show has historically done extremely well is make their antagonists/villains likeable characters with believable and human motivations and desires rather than blindly evil assholes. + Show Spoiler +
Seems like they're going even further in this direction with Crassus, and this is likely because of the way the series will most likely be ending (Crassus will defeat Spartacus).
Thanks for the spoiler motherfucker.
How is that a big spoiler? It's known history. It's just as bad as saying the Spartans die in 300 or Cleopatra kills herself in Rome.
On January 27 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote: I liked the first episode. The fight scenes kinda dragged on in places. I really enjoyed all of the Crassus and son scenes. One thing this show has historically done extremely well is make their antagonists/villains likeable characters with believable and human motivations and desires rather than blindly evil assholes. + Show Spoiler +
Seems like they're going even further in this direction with Crassus, and this is likely because of the way the series will most likely be ending (Crassus will defeat Spartacus).
Thanks for the spoiler motherfucker.
How is that a big spoiler? It's known history. It's just as bad as saying the Spartans die in 300 or Cleopatra kills herself in Rome.
Overall episode was good. I forgot how bloody Spartacus was though lol.
Also seemed like there was too much unnecessary combat and slow mo blood squirting scenes. It detracts from the overall episode. WTB more downtime and story between the mayhem lol.
Whoa, I didn't even know there was gonna be another season, much less right now. An overabundance of violence, schemes and boobs, what more to ask for!?
On January 27 2013 17:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Am I the only one who is not entertained at all by these "300"-like mockeries of the historical epic genre?
oh, this is a 300 job is it?
i hadn't come across this before and i love love love the roman republic era of history so i was a bit interested until i read your comment. i also found 300 to be completely boring trash that ruined what is actually a pretty good story. CGI is boring and not a substitute for a plot, though boobs help.
I cant believe that the basic storyline could be a spoiler to someone watching the series. You really dont need to study history to know that. and how else should it end? nobody would seriously believe that spartacus conquers rome. and thats how the storyline is set up. Either Spartacus or Rome. There is no space for reconciliation^^ You wouldnt be suprised if Caesar gets stabbed at the end of a caesar movie? oh no did i spoiler something??
I was a bit suprised by the character of crassus. Historically he was basically a super wealthy guy because he was clever. When there was a fire in rome, crassus would come and buy the burning houses for a really cheap price and then gets his guys to stop the fire. Afterwards he can sell or rent it for much more. and if someone doesnt want to sell, then no problem the house can burn down to the ground. :D
Militarywise he wasnt really the most successful one. That little story with fighting his own gladiator doesnt really fit Crassus imo. I believe thats a story about a roman imperator called Commodus, but whatever.. lets mix it up a bit for the sake of a better story.
Thanks, but I am skeptical, when sites want me to create an account or smth. And if you are not sure, whether it´s legal or not, I would edit it out to be safe of moderation.
On January 27 2013 20:23 Xoronius wrote: The starz-website does not load for me, is there any other legal way to watch the episode?
Well, if you are in Europe, the answer is as always no. Although if you wait long enough some series do get released on DVD eventually. Especially Germany I find is one of the few countries in Europe where DVD's are actually available for most series, eventually anyway.
I think the guy playing spartacus is way better now than he was last season. He was way to much of a prettyboy last season. He just didn't really fit in the setting. For some reason he seems less buff now and a little ruffled. With his hair a bit longer and such. I also like his new armor. When he came running through the hall in that villa... so badass
Krassus! Finally someone will put an end to this annoying bunch of idiots. Story about Spartacus is absolutely not a story about hero fighting against evil Rome. In fact it is a story of Rome fighting against barbarians murdering and destroying everything on their way. I can't wait to finally see the Battle of the Siler River and the great victory of Marcus Licinius Crassus! aaaa yeah!
BTW, if it wasn't for Krassus I would stop watching this TV show. It is boring and annoying, and not much is happening. Just blood and porno :/ )
Thanks, but I am skeptical, when sites want me to create an account or smth. And if you are not sure, whether it´s legal or not, I would edit it out to be safe of moderation.
Tv links require no account made. And technically it is a legal site.
Just begun watching the program, so im only on season 1 (finished 6th episode) and wow its amazing. Spoilering the next bit in case anyones not seen the first season
First episode was utter shite if you ask me, overuse of their shitty blood CGI and even the bit where he "ran" through time was fucking atrocious. After that the series picked up amazingly, the storylines kicked in and i love all of them (even with subpar acting at points) and the action scenes with less CGI and smaller scale fights really fit well with the style of the show wheras the slow-mo and strange CGI looked really out of place in the bigger fights of ep1. Ep 6 just happened and i really didnt expect his wife to be dead, i mean wow, wtf?! almost shed a tear at that, only to find out the dominus fuckin killed her purposefully, what a cunt, i thought he was an OK guy.
Looking forward to catching up in the next few days then Q.Qing over weekly episodes
Also - i never studied the story of spartacus, so thanks for the historical spoilers, really.
On January 27 2013 23:35 Capped wrote: Just begun watching the program, so im only on season 1 (finished 6th episode) and wow its amazing. Spoilering the next bit in case anyones not seen the first season
First episode was utter shite if you ask me, overuse of their shitty blood CGI and even the bit where he "ran" through time was fucking atrocious. After that the series picked up amazingly, the storylines kicked in and i love all of them (even with subpar acting at points) and the action scenes with less CGI and smaller scale fights really fit well with the style of the show wheras the slow-mo and strange CGI looked really out of place in the bigger fights of ep1. Ep 6 just happened and i really didnt expect his wife to be dead, i mean wow, wtf?! almost shed a tear at that, only to find out the dominus fuckin killed her purposefully, what a cunt, i thought he was an OK guy.
Looking forward to catching up in the next few days then Q.Qing over weekly episodes
Also - i never studied the story of spartacus, so thanks for the historical spoilers, really.
I agree the very first episode was so abysmally baaaad... I watched the beginning twice because the first time i couldnt bear to watch the entire episode. But it got better afterwards
On January 27 2013 20:55 Asturas wrote: Krassus! Finally someone will put an end to this annoying bunch of idiots. Story about Spartacus is absolutely not a story about hero fighting against evil Rome. In fact it is a story of Rome fighting against barbarians murdering and destroying everything on their way. I can't wait to finally see the Battle of the Siler River and the great victory of Marcus Licinius Crassus! aaaa yeah!
BTW, if it wasn't for Krassus I would stop watching this TV show. It is boring and annoying, and not much is happening. Just blood and porno :/ )
Let me guess.. proud Italian from Rome?
Concerning the Spartacus tv series... Crixus said it best in the finale of first season.
On January 27 2013 20:55 Asturas wrote: Krassus! Finally someone will put an end to this annoying bunch of idiots. Story about Spartacus is absolutely not a story about hero fighting against evil Rome. In fact it is a story of Rome fighting against barbarians murdering and destroying everything on their way. I can't wait to finally see the Battle of the Siler River and the great victory of Marcus Licinius Crassus! aaaa yeah!
BTW, if it wasn't for Krassus I would stop watching this TV show. It is boring and annoying, and not much is happening. Just blood and porno :/ )
Let me guess.. proud Italian from Rome?
Crixus said it best in the finale of first season.
haha I am not Italian. I am Polish living in Finland. And I have never been to Rome, just Bologna, Milan and Venice
Ancient Rome, Republic and Empire, it wasn't perfect place, but Hollywood/Americans tend to show Spartacus as some kind of hero. It may have had some kind of sense during the time of Kirk Douglas Spartacus (Cold War times... bla bla bla), but facts and history aren't that eager to divide into white and black, good and evil
Crassus is a really cool character, I think most of the viewers will be happy with Spartacus falling to someone who is humble and respects what Spartacus has done.
I think people not liking script/acting/scenes of the premier are somewhat confused and not really taking the series for what it really is in my opinion, which is a mindless gory 21+rated show with cheesy lines and over the top action scenes. This isn't Band of Brothers or Game of Thrones. Spartacus is intentionally like this, and has been since the first episode (it actually used to be cheesier) Its all fiction based on a story that is not really that well documented or known. Some names and places are real, but that's about it. The audience should just sit back, grab a beer and enjoy some titties and swordfighting.
ps: I think I will name my bull terrier (when I get one) Crixus.
On January 28 2013 14:14 XenOmega wrote: Great first episode
But that awkward moment when you see the 3 women x 1 man sex scene with your parents...
how can u watch this show with ur parents.. did you see the first 2 seasons with them too?
No, but my parents kind of retired now, so they have plenty of free times now. So I thought it would be great to show them what their children like (BTW, all of their children are over 24 years old, so its not like we are kids)
On January 28 2013 14:14 XenOmega wrote: Great first episode
But that awkward moment when you see the 3 women x 1 man sex scene with your parents...
how can u watch this show with ur parents.. did you see the first 2 seasons with them too?
No, but my parents kind of retired now, so they have plenty of free times now. So I thought it would be great to show them what their children like (BTW, all of their children are over 24 years old, so its not like we are kids)
-1 to Level of Awkwardness if you're over 24. +10 to Level of Awkwardness if your parents are Asian.
I think they may have exaggerated a bit about Crassus. You wouldn't believe this wise, determined and cunning guy is the fool who died in Parthia with molten gold poured into his mouth.
On January 28 2013 17:42 alypse wrote: I think they may have exaggerated a bit about Crassus. You wouldn't believe this wise, determined and cunning guy is the fool who died in Parthia with molten gold poured into his mouth.
Reading the Wikipedia entry, that's not how he actually died - he died by the sword.
Speaking of which, who's looking forward to the series after Spartacus - Crassus: Jupiter's Cock.
On February 04 2013 01:30 Drowsy wrote: Liked 2nd episode even more. Ceasar seems totally crazy, wtf was with getting the girl to cut near his genitals?
On February 04 2013 01:30 Drowsy wrote: Liked 2nd episode even more. Ceasar seems totally crazy, wtf was with getting the girl to cut near his genitals?
Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
i didnt watch this series so far, cuz i've seen small bits of it and all it seemed to show were penis and blood, but i've seen yesterday the newest episode, and realized they actually put a tone of effort in shaping the speech of the Romans and small detailed work like that, which i really like, so i decided i give it a shot. Is the chronological order> Gods of the Arena, Blood and Sand, Vengance, War of the damned?
Ah man... I just watched the first season and absolutely loved it. Once you get over the mediocre and over used CGI and that this show is not HBO's Rome and is not trying to be it really is an awesome show.
Just watched the first episode of Season 2 and I'm just so sad. The original Spartacus was perfect... this guy.. maybe he will grow on me? IDK. Dang.
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
Please stop confusing Caesar and Crassus. It's going to drive me crazy.
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
Please stop confusing Caesar and Crassus. It's going to drive me crazy.
He wasn't confusing the two. Caesar was in the midst of having his nuts shaved (I thought that was just pubic hair btw falling, not blood, it seemed to float but maybe I'm wrong) Tiberius walked by and said that Ceasar picked up strange desires. I see no confusion in name good sir! haha
EDIT: I just started watching the first season, blood and sand, again... Andy Whitfield was the FUCKING BEST spartacus... So freaking upset he's dead, this guys voice is just not as epic at all, not as commanding... I mean he does a good job but it's not Andy. I actually thought, if they could have, a better fit would have been the actor that played Avatar (they look pretty much and act pretty much the same imo)
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
Please stop confusing Caesar and Crassus. It's going to drive me crazy.
He wasn't confusing the two. Caesar was in the midst of having his nuts shaved (I thought that was just pubic hair btw falling, not blood, it seemed to float but maybe I'm wrong) Tiberius walked by and said that Ceasar picked up strange desires. I see no confusion in name good sir! haha
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
Please stop confusing Caesar and Crassus. It's going to drive me crazy.
He wasn't confusing the two. Caesar was in the midst of having his nuts shaved (I thought that was just pubic hair btw falling, not blood, it seemed to float but maybe I'm wrong) Tiberius walked by and said that Ceasar picked up strange desires. I see no confusion in name good sir! haha
Not sure what she was doing but that was blood =P
Orly? Well, I guess he did pick up some weird tricks
My first impression at the start of the season was that all the leading actors got off the sauce. They all look out of shape with a lot less muscle mass - especially Gannicus (sp?).
Also, I noticed that they are trying to supplement lack of storyline or something with more gore/cgi than previous seasons. I remember it was a big deal when the guy in (cant remember the season) got his head cut in half - in fact I remember my girlfriend gasping. Now... it's like "eh, whatever, blood, gore, cgi!!".
I'm still watching it, but man is this season ever a step below the older seasons. Seems like the budget got massacred or something and they're running out of good ideas. Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena were absolutely awesome though.
On February 09 2013 16:04 jester- wrote: My first impression at the start of the season was that all the leading actors got off the sauce. They all look out of shape with a lot less muscle mass - especially Gannicus (sp?).
Also, I noticed that they are trying to supplement lack of storyline or something with more gore/cgi than previous seasons. I remember it was a big deal when the guy in (cant remember the season) got his head cut in half - in fact I remember my girlfriend gasping. Now... it's like "eh, whatever, blood, gore, cgi!!".
I'm still watching it, but man is this season ever a step below the older seasons. Seems like the budget got massacred or something and they're running out of good ideas. Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena were absolutely awesome though.
Weird. Production has definitely gone up, my friend.
If anybody was wondering what this meant on the sign that was posted:
Domo foras nocte ne quis exierit nisi permissu aedilis
It is thus (roughly, I'm doing this at 4am):
Nobody (ne "not" + quis "anybody") will have exited (weird use of the future perfect. I would have used "exite", personally) the gates by the house (this is a little iffy, could be either dative or ablative though ablative makes more sense) unless with permission of the Aedile.
And my god, did they take artistic license with Caesar's character...
This episode was fantastic. Pretty happy with the plot so far honestly. More so than last season and I really liked how they handled the battle.
I would say that this caesar might be fitting. He was known to be extravagant and phillandering. Jury still out but this season is looking much better than the last.
On February 09 2013 18:05 Sabu113 wrote: This episode was fantastic. Pretty happy with the plot so far honestly. More so than last season and I really liked how they handled the battle.
I would say that this caesar might be fitting. He was known to be extravagant and phillandering. Jury still out but this season is looking much better than the last.
Yeah I really enjoyed it. It was a little light on the nudity and there was as much gay sex as straight, but the plot moved along nicely and that dead Roman's wife is shaping up to be an interesting character.
On February 04 2013 06:47 Scorch wrote: Yeah, that's not how shaving works at all. Did she circumcise him or something? Or does he have some sort of masochistic fetish?
I wonder what the scenes with the little girl with the ball are supposed to mean. Is Spartacus afraid of losing his humanity and submitting to bloodlust? If so, why would he unnecessarily drive a spear through the Roman behind the locked gate right after that?
That's what I'm guessing because Tiberius says something about Ceasar picking up strange desires or whatever he says.
Please stop confusing Caesar and Crassus. It's going to drive me crazy.
He wasn't confusing the two. Caesar was in the midst of having his nuts shaved (I thought that was just pubic hair btw falling, not blood, it seemed to float but maybe I'm wrong) Tiberius walked by and said that Ceasar picked up strange desires. I see no confusion in name good sir! haha
EDIT: I just started watching the first season, blood and sand, again... Andy Whitfield was the FUCKING BEST spartacus... So freaking upset he's dead, this guys voice is just not as epic at all, not as commanding... I mean he does a good job but it's not Andy. I actually thought, if they could have, a better fit would have been the actor that played Avatar (they look pretty much and act pretty much the same imo)
On February 12 2013 19:03 Scorch wrote: I really could have done without seeing Agron shagging Nasir. Why could it not have been a lesbian scene?
Some of us don't shy away from homosexuality like a disease. Love is love, get on with it. Did it arouse me? No but the concept related and I'm glad they're not shying away from homosexuality for two reasons 1) It does good for culture to realize that both instances are love and 2) In Roman times homosexuality was a pretty big thing.
On February 12 2013 19:03 Scorch wrote: I really could have done without seeing Agron shagging Nasir. Why could it not have been a lesbian scene?
Some of us don't shy away from homosexuality like a disease. Love is love, get on with it. Did it arouse me? No but the concept related and I'm glad they're not shying away from homosexuality for two reasons 1) It does good for culture to realize that both instances are love and 2) In Roman times homosexuality was a pretty big thing.
On February 12 2013 19:03 Scorch wrote: I really could have done without seeing Agron shagging Nasir. Why could it not have been a lesbian scene?
Some of us don't shy away from homosexuality like a disease. Love is love, get on with it. Did it arouse me? No but the concept related and I'm glad they're not shying away from homosexuality for two reasons 1) It does good for culture to realize that both instances are love and 2) In Roman times homosexuality was a pretty big thing.
On February 12 2013 19:03 Scorch wrote: I really could have done without seeing Agron shagging Nasir. Why could it not have been a lesbian scene?
Some of us don't shy away from homosexuality like a disease. Love is love, get on with it. Did it arouse me? No but the concept related and I'm glad they're not shying away from homosexuality for two reasons 1) It does good for culture to realize that both instances are love and 2) In Roman times homosexuality was a pretty big thing.
If you think Spartacus is some sort of progressive left wing TV programme with social commentary on the discrimination of homosexuals in today's society, then you must be mistaken. As far as I'm aware, it is a show with excessive action and raw straight, red-blooded heterosexual man to woman love in order to attract male viewers then I think you can make a case.
On February 12 2013 19:03 Scorch wrote: I really could have done without seeing Agron shagging Nasir. Why could it not have been a lesbian scene?
Some of us don't shy away from homosexuality like a disease. Love is love, get on with it. Did it arouse me? No but the concept related and I'm glad they're not shying away from homosexuality for two reasons 1) It does good for culture to realize that both instances are love and 2) In Roman times homosexuality was a pretty big thing.
If you think Spartacus is some sort of progressive left wing TV programme with social commentary on the discrimination of homosexuals in today's society, then you must be mistaken. As far as I'm aware, it is a show with excessive action and raw straight, red-blooded heterosexual man to woman love in order to attract male viewers then I think you can make a case.
How could you ever get the notion that I think Spartacus is some sort of progressive left wing TV programme?
Some days I read comments regarding what I post and I either shame the fact that communication suffers without proper dialogue away from text or people just seem not to grasp simple comments.
I never once made the assertion that it's anything like that, I said that it's nice they don't shy away from gay love like many programming stations would just based on the controversy.
I still don't see where I even alluded it had any underlying left wing allure and if that's what we call "left wing allure" in America than I'm afraid your definitions are truly so generic they lose all meaning.
On February 11 2013 12:21 tofucake wrote: McIntyre was approved for the role by Whitfield before he passe so I'm not too worried about it. He's doing a good job.
And while I think Sam Worthington looks like he might fit, he's not the best actor, imo. I don't think he would do the role justice.
I actually think he's better in some respects. Whitfield did a lot better at the tortured/brooding/psychologically traumatized aspects of the character, but in terms of "action hero omfg badass kill killy kill", McIntyre pulls it off a bit better imo. Usually the former aspects are a bit harder to convey convincingly, but Whitfield just knocked that shit out of the park.
On February 14 2013 10:14 IshinShishi wrote: whitfield was half the series the way I see it, pretty impeccable acting, not that this one is bad or anything.
The new guy has grown very well into his role. If you rewatch the first season it took 2-3 episodes before the superb acting of Whitfield became so, he was pretty weak in the beginning imo and then all of a sudden he turned into a god (the role helped )
Spartacus : Vengeance was pretty bad imo, he just didn't sound like he was comfortable but this one he feels and seems perfect for the role.
Naevia thought he was orchestrating the escape of the Roman slaves and also just hates Romans in general so she killed him. It was revealed at the end that it wasnt him but the red head chick. Naevia is pretty fucked up.
He was trying to leave the city because he probably suspected he was going to die if he stayed.
I agree new Spartacus is pretty decent this season. Maybe it's because he's not really anything like old Spartacus now, he's just some big shot General with a beard making all the decisions and kicking ass. Whitfield was perfect for the troubled Gladiator slave and I'm sure he would also be awesome as the leader Spartacus too but still, I'm too upset with him now. He's got a beard and is always wearing a bunch of armour this season so maybe his small physique (compared to Whitfield) doesn't show as much.
Crixus is awesome as always. I like this actress for Naevia a lot better for season 3 too, she plays the bad ass crazy bitch a lot better than the scared helpless woman.
On February 14 2013 13:08 BliptiX wrote: Naevia thought he was orchestrating the escape of the Roman slaves and also just hates Romans in general so she killed him. It was revealed at the end that it wasnt him but the red head chick. Naevia is pretty fucked up.
He was trying to leave the city because he probably suspected he was going to die if he stayed.
I thought she was just giving them food, like spartacus told her to.. didn't he tell her to go around and make sure they're fed
On February 14 2013 13:08 BliptiX wrote: Naevia thought he was orchestrating the escape of the Roman slaves and also just hates Romans in general so she killed him. It was revealed at the end that it wasnt him but the red head chick. Naevia is pretty fucked up.
He was trying to leave the city because he probably suspected he was going to die if he stayed.
I thought she was just giving them food, like spartacus told her to.. didn't he tell her to go around and make sure they're fed
No, he was cleaning his room and he got killed because of that... dont like Naevia, too much talking and no boobs, The show is great one of the best but why do they have 2 sex scanes in one episode is beyond me. I think that people from no porn thread cant even watch this show !
didn't get to work out enough in preparation for their roles
There is a nice article about Spartacus and his workout plan on bodybuilding.com. they dont have much time while filming (no idea why) so he trains only 20min but yes he is not that big and scary
I liked the old Naevia from the first seasons much better. The actress was a lot prettier, feminine and calm, she showed some boobs, and she wasn't an irrational, psychotic berserker. They're basically polar opposites. When they freed her from the mines and the new actress was first shown, I couldn't help but think "they went through all the trouble for that!?" The main characters, too, aren't as handsome as before. Crixus isn't as buff as he used to be, Gannicus even has a little gut, and there's probably a reason for Spartacus always wearing a leather armor. It's like they were surprised there was gonna be another season and didn't get to work out enough in preparation for their roles.
On February 09 2013 16:04 jester- wrote: My first impression at the start of the season was that all the leading actors got off the sauce. They all look out of shape with a lot less muscle mass - especially Gannicus (sp?).
Also, I noticed that they are trying to supplement lack of storyline or something with more gore/cgi than previous seasons. I remember it was a big deal when the guy in (cant remember the season) got his head cut in half - in fact I remember my girlfriend gasping. Now... it's like "eh, whatever, blood, gore, cgi!!".
I'm still watching it, but man is this season ever a step below the older seasons. Seems like the budget got massacred or something and they're running out of good ideas. Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena were absolutely awesome though.
Weird. Production has definitely gone up, my friend.
On February 09 2013 16:04 jester- wrote: My first impression at the start of the season was that all the leading actors got off the sauce. They all look out of shape with a lot less muscle mass - especially Gannicus (sp?).
Also, I noticed that they are trying to supplement lack of storyline or something with more gore/cgi than previous seasons. I remember it was a big deal when the guy in (cant remember the season) got his head cut in half - in fact I remember my girlfriend gasping. Now... it's like "eh, whatever, blood, gore, cgi!!".
I'm still watching it, but man is this season ever a step below the older seasons. Seems like the budget got massacred or something and they're running out of good ideas. Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena were absolutely awesome though.
Weird. Production has definitely gone up, my friend.
On February 14 2013 19:49 Scorch wrote: I liked the old Naevia from the first seasons much better. The actress was a lot prettier, feminine and calm, she showed some boobs, and she wasn't an irrational, psychotic berserker. They're basically polar opposites. When they freed her from the mines and the new actress was first shown, I couldn't help but think "they went through all the trouble for that!?" The main characters, too, aren't as handsome as before. Crixus isn't as buff as he used to be, Gannicus even has a little gut, and there's probably a reason for Spartacus always wearing a leather armor. It's like they were surprised there was gonna be another season and didn't get to work out enough in preparation for their roles.
I don't see a problem with this, characters develop, they don't have to look like they did in season 1
They're not gladiators training all day anymore so it's normal that they are not as buff, Crixus doesn't have to look pretty for his domina and Ganicus is drinking all the time. It's also expected from Naevia to be fucked up after being raped and slaved in the mines.
On February 14 2013 13:08 BliptiX wrote: Naevia thought he was orchestrating the escape of the Roman slaves and also just hates Romans in general so she killed him. It was revealed at the end that it wasnt him but the red head chick. Naevia is pretty fucked up.
He was trying to leave the city because he probably suspected he was going to die if he stayed.
I thought she was just giving them food, like spartacus told her to.. didn't he tell her to go around and make sure they're fed
I'm not sure, what is the roman woman doing? I thought she was just giving food :/
She had told Spartacus that she wanted to stay in the stable. The hatch was covered with straw so you were to draw the conclusion that the "escaped" slaves were actually just being hidden by her in the stable.
On February 14 2013 19:49 Scorch wrote: I liked the old Naevia from the first seasons much better. The actress was a lot prettier, feminine and calm, she showed some boobs, and she wasn't an irrational, psychotic berserker. They're basically polar opposites. When they freed her from the mines and the new actress was first shown, I couldn't help but think "they went through all the trouble for that!?" The main characters, too, aren't as handsome as before. Crixus isn't as buff as he used to be, Gannicus even has a little gut, and there's probably a reason for Spartacus always wearing a leather armor. It's like they were surprised there was gonna be another season and didn't get to work out enough in preparation for their roles.
I don't see a problem with this, characters develop they don't have to look lilke they did in season 1
They're not gladiators training all day anymore so it's normal that they are not as buff, Crixus doesn't have to look pretty for his domina and Ganicus is drinking all the time. It's also expected from Naevia to be fucked up after being raped and slaved in the mines.
the only problem here in the character work is that naevia flipped a little too hard last episode and is now essentially a murderer. I trust that the show will pay this off next episode or a few down the line, but it's a little hard to empathize with her when she's beating innocent faces off with hammers. if you take the context of the war away from all the killing that a character does if they're on this show, it goes a little crazy and awkward very quickly.
She was supposed to give them food (after the deal with Jack Sparrow) but not hide them from sight. I'm pretty sure she'll be like "o, dey excaped sry spartykiss idk where dey went" and then they'll all be like "wut da fuk spartacus how u let them escape, r u noob leader?" and Spart will be like "sry I will be mean jerk now." Just a minor subplot methinks.
I actually really like how the Slaves are all pricks too. Like Crixus is pretty much a good guy now, and I almost thought he was going to be a paragon of justice when the two slaves were fighting over bread but nope, he gives them swords and tells them to fight to the death.
As for Naevia going crazy - it's sort of believable. She was traumatized but I thought she was going to be alright after killing Ashor but nope. Whatever. I think she'll die soon and Crixus will go insane and kill 100 Romans before dying himself.
But yeah they're clearly making Naevia way over the top insane and she's supposed to represent the "look at the monster we've become" side of the rebellion. She straight up murders the cool blacksmith, she chops the hand of the fat, innocent baker. The writers don't expect anyone to actually empathize with her.
On February 17 2013 07:20 Hal Leonard wrote: I really dislike the redheaded Roman lady. It seems like every season of Spartacus requires an annoying, feminist, angry-faced female character who goes against the traditional gender role and acts like a strong, independent woman who wants to stand up to the male leads and challenge the idea that women are subservient to men and can't do anything... Lucy Lawless, Naevia, this Roman woman... Etc.
Lucy Lawless and the first actress for Naevia were amazing to me . Im loving this season so much more then last just don't get to porny!.
After watching the first 3 episodes I like this new season much better than Vengeance, but still not as much as Blood and Sands.
I'm starting to like McIntyre more but he still doesn't feel as godlike as Whitfield I think Crassus is awesome, and I'll probably be cheering for him when the inevitable battle between him and Spartacus comes. Also I think they should kill off Naevia soon. She's getting really annoying, but that's obviously what they want to accomplish. Gannicus is still pretty awesome.
I don't know what to think of this serie. In some way I like it as a divertissement, and some scene are really fun to watch. On the other side, when you remember that K. Marx described Spartacus as one of the most splendid hero of the proletarian, and that a TV show with his name ended up like this, flagship of America's "culture" (in the bad sense), where the only thing that matter is blood, sex, and "freedom". With such character, I'm sure they could have made this show a little deeper and more interesting if they had the nerve to go beyond all the cliche. It's sad because a lot of Americans TV shows are actually really good at being at the same time entertaining and deep.
On February 23 2013 15:07 Assault_1 wrote: such a good episode holy shit :O drama everywhere
YEah this was just amazing.... 10/10. Every side is so morally abhorrent there aren't any protagonists in this show, which is surprisingly brave and novel. I mean yeah, sometimes there's a collection of morally gray entities in television and film, but is exceedingly rare when everyone is just a barbaric and violent dick.
This was seriously the best episode of the entire series... beats the Blood and Sand finale, beats the episode where they burn down the arena. The writers did an amazing job on this one.
On February 21 2013 20:27 EquilasH wrote:I think Crassus is awesome, and I'll probably be cheering for him when the inevitable battle between him and Spartacus comes. Also I think they should kill off Naevia soon. She's getting really annoying, but that's obviously what they want to accomplish.
I really hope that they don't stick to the history. Crassus doesn't necessarily have to win. Spartacus and Crixus don't necessarily have to end up falling out. For the show to be truly a masterpiece, it should make its own ending, go in its own direction. Kind of like the Full Metal Alchemist anime.
On February 21 2013 20:27 EquilasH wrote:I think Crassus is awesome, and I'll probably be cheering for him when the inevitable battle between him and Spartacus comes. Also I think they should kill off Naevia soon. She's getting really annoying, but that's obviously what they want to accomplish.
I really hope that they don't stick to the history. Crassus doesn't necessarily have to win. Spartacus and Crixus don't necessarily have to end up falling out. For the show to be truly a masterpiece, it should make its own ending, go in its own direction. Kind of like the Full Metal Alchemist anime.
eh.. sorry but it would be lame if they didnt follow the history
Caesar having sympathy for Nadia didn't fit his character. If he cares for those who are naked and raped, then he might as well feel compassion for the slaves.
On February 23 2013 18:10 Dark Horse wrote: Caesar having sympathy for Nadia didn't fit his character. If he cares for those who are naked and raped, then he might as well feel compassion for the slaves.
On February 23 2013 18:10 Dark Horse wrote: Caesar having sympathy for Nadia didn't fit his character. If he cares for those who are naked and raped, then he might as well feel compassion for the slaves.
She's a Roman noble, it's easy to see how he could feel compassion for his own people and still despise foreign slaves.
On February 21 2013 20:27 EquilasH wrote:I think Crassus is awesome, and I'll probably be cheering for him when the inevitable battle between him and Spartacus comes. Also I think they should kill off Naevia soon. She's getting really annoying, but that's obviously what they want to accomplish.
I really hope that they don't stick to the history. Crassus doesn't necessarily have to win. Spartacus and Crixus don't necessarily have to end up falling out. For the show to be truly a masterpiece, it should make its own ending, go in its own direction. Kind of like the Full Metal Alchemist anime.
eh.. sorry but it would be lame if they didnt follow the history
They've already deviated from history a fair bit. I doubt they'd deviate from history that much though.
On February 23 2013 06:19 WhiteDog wrote: I don't know what to think of this serie. In some way I like it as a divertissement, and some scene are really fun to watch. On the other side, when you remember that K. Marx described Spartacus as one of the most splendid hero of the proletarian, and that a TV show with his name ended up like this, flagship of America's "culture" (in the bad sense), where the only thing that matter is blood, sex, and "freedom". With such character, I'm sure they could have made this show a little deeper and more interesting if they had the nerve to go beyond all the cliche. It's sad because a lot of Americans TV shows are actually really good at being at the same time entertaining and deep.
I'm sure they will use Naevia to explain why Spartacus and Crixus split up, since there is no historical evidence as to why they did this
It's a show made for entertainment about a slave uprising and war. Spartacus' rebels committed numerous atrocities, I wouldn't really call them deep people or friendly people. This TV show is a lot closer to reality than a lot of other media takes on Spartacus where he's usually painted as some kind of freedom fighter and decent guy. It's an impressive but violent piece of history.
On February 23 2013 19:31 kaykaykay wrote: Anyone is common in thought that Spartacus made such a bad decision in sparing the Aedile’s wife?
I share thought regarding this decision.
Even if Spartacus wants to be merciful, there is no reason as to why he can't just kill her and say that it was due to her betraying his trust, whilst sparing other Romans who have not tried to, as Gannicus' friend would say, "fuck his ass". If he later finds out that Caesar has betrayed his trust, does that mean he will also spare him, because he (Spartacus) does not want to be like the Romans? And if his ideal is that he does not wish to be like the Romans, then why did he slaughter so many 'innocent' Romans in the final episode of season one? In fact, why doesn't he just simply kick the Romans out of the city and have them wander off beyond the gates?
Also, why has Gannicus not kicked Naevia's ass? His friend's life obviously wasn't really worth all that much if he can just move on at the end of the episode without being absolutely outraged and lusting for revenge.
Absolutely amazing episode. So many good things about this season. New Spartacus is actually pretty awesome now and you could tell he was pissed at Crixus. Crassus is such an awesome antagonist, so, so sooo much better than the whiny, power hungry Praetor and his conniving wife. Crassus looks like a stoned cold General and acts like one but there's tears in his eyes after his midget son bludgeons his buddy to death. I love Crassus.
These past 4 episodes, this one especially, have been so good.
Dark Horse brings up a good point though.. why not just kick the Romans out haha. As for Gannicus not fighting/killing Naevia.. well I don't think Gannicus is that kind of person that would kill a woman (even a psycho crazy woman) and especially not Crixus' woman. I mean, Gannicus is pretty smart.. what can he really do about his friends death?
On February 23 2013 19:31 kaykaykay wrote: Anyone is common in thought that Spartacus made such a bad decision in sparing the Aedile’s wife?
Indeed. They have to give Crixus some reason to split off though. This way just creates more drama... even though I'm not a fan of it. They are trying too hard to paint Spartacus as some benevolent saint. If Crassus is smart enough to know that fear instills obedience, so should Spartacus... especially when dealing with savages.
On February 23 2013 19:31 kaykaykay wrote: Anyone is common in thought that Spartacus made such a bad decision in sparing the Aedile’s wife?
They are trying too hard to paint Spartacus as some benevolent saint.
Deciding it's wrong to butcher civilian prisoners qualifies for sainthood o.O
Butcher? He showed her mercy once and she betrayed him, causing the death of an "innocent" and quite valuable blacksmith in the process. I'd hardly consider her death as punishment "butchery".
Side note: Anyone else hoping they do a Gannicus-like spinoff of Caesar? This is such a good show... I'd hate to see it end.
I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
On February 23 2013 19:31 kaykaykay wrote: Anyone is common in thought that Spartacus made such a bad decision in sparing the Aedile’s wife?
They are trying too hard to paint Spartacus as some benevolent saint.
Deciding it's wrong to butcher civilian prisoners qualifies for sainthood o.O
Butcher? He showed her mercy once and she betrayed him, causing the death of an "innocent" and quite valuable blacksmith in the process. I'd hardly consider her death as punishment "butchery".
The whole slaughter of the prisoners scene looked like butchery to me and the blacksmith's death is entirely on Naevia.
If we're talking betrayal Spartacus killed the redhead's husband right in front of her after lying and using her as a distraction. She wasn't plotting and didn't hurt anyone beyond taking loaves to a handful of people who'd be extra mouths to feed as prisoners anyway. She shouldn't have been allowed to wander the city freely in the first place. Putting her in chains would be reasonable, execution not so much.
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
They were essentially deserters.
I know what its about, should have said "beat the disgraced soldiers to death scene", the point is why did they take as long as possible to kill them? Wouldn't you want to put your friends out of their misery ASAP?
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
They were essentially deserters.
I know what its about, should have said "beat the disgraced soldiers to death scene", the point is why did they take as long as possible to kill them? Wouldn't you want to put your friends out of their misery ASAP?
It's a tv show man...... Woulda been pretty lame if he just got clunked once in the head and that was it......
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
The process of Decimation is absolutely brutal. Read this for more info on it:-
On February 23 2013 19:31 kaykaykay wrote: Anyone is common in thought that Spartacus made such a bad decision in sparing the Aedile’s wife?
They are trying too hard to paint Spartacus as some benevolent saint.
Deciding it's wrong to butcher civilian prisoners qualifies for sainthood o.O
Butcher? He showed her mercy once and she betrayed him, causing the death of an "innocent" and quite valuable blacksmith in the process. I'd hardly consider her death as punishment "butchery".
The whole slaughter of the prisoners scene looked like butchery to me and the blacksmith's death is entirely on Naevia.
If we're talking betrayal Spartacus killed the redhead's husband right in front of her after lying and using her as a distraction. She wasn't plotting and didn't hurt anyone beyond taking loaves to a handful of people who'd be extra mouths to feed as prisoners anyway. She shouldn't have been allowed to wander the city freely in the first place. Putting her in chains would be reasonable, execution not so much.
You see, Spartacus knew that most of his followers, and not just Crixus were already displeased with his actions of sparing the few Romans they had. Yet he chose to defend her yet again in plain sight of everyone even though it was clear that she had betrayed his trust. He's indeed a saint considering he would break years of brotherhood bond to protect a Roman and technically an enemy, falling straight into the trap Caesar set.
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
They were essentially deserters.
I know what its about, should have said "beat the disgraced soldiers to death scene", the point is why did they take as long as possible to kill them? Wouldn't you want to put your friends out of their misery ASAP?
It's part of decimation. You are given the bluntest weapon possible and forced to beat your own mate to death with said weapon. It's quite difficult to kill in one blow.
On February 23 2013 22:52 Stimp wrote: I don't get the whole beat the disgraced soldiers to death. As soldiers they should be friends/brothers, but those guys had NO problem beating the shit out of their brothers. They didn't even try make it quick, they took as long as possible by first beating legs, ribs etc.
Sure made for a powerful and disturbing scene though.
They were essentially deserters.
I know what its about, should have said "beat the disgraced soldiers to death scene", the point is why did they take as long as possible to kill them? Wouldn't you want to put your friends out of their misery ASAP?
It's part of decimation. You are given the bluntest weapon possible and forced to beat your own mate to death with said weapon. It's quite difficult to kill in one blow.
I like how they were hitting him in the kneecaps and rib cage.. wouldn't it make sense to just hit him in the head until he dies? Unless you want him to suffer more
On February 24 2013 00:55 Dosey wrote: It's part of decimation. You are given the bluntest weapon possible and forced to beat your own mate to death with said weapon.It's quite difficult to kill in one blow.
Unless you're Spartacus, the master stone thrower! (Recall a couple episodes ago when that slave was being stoned at the city they now possess?)
I mean if he can kill a guy with one good stone shot I'm sure he can too with one good club swing... lol
I suspect Caeser held quite a bit back, he even teased the rematch which I am sure is coming. Something needs to be done about that Naevia cunt she in full on psychobitch mode and Crixus is completely booty blind
In history the slave rebellion was of course defeated by the romans and I think this will also happen in the series. The reason why they slaugther the romans is to make them look bad and okay to be defeated. The only one who retains his morality and ethics is spartacus and a hand full of his followers. I do not know if the romans will get a hero that we will look to now. Maybe it is ceasar, he shows compassion to this woman, he does his duty as a soldier and he is tough and bold and cunning. But who knows. And Naevia is really getting annoying :S
I think that they have a more satisfying ending in mind. In history Spartacus' body was never found it is just assumed he died in the final battle. My prediction is he survives and he joins up with the Parthians who historically captured and killed Crassus and they do the whole Spartacus pours the molten gold on Crassus angle. I just don't think they would end the series with something as dissatisfying and predictable as them just losing the war and all dying their has to be at least some retribution to make the viewers happy and not feel like they wasted their time watching a 3 season version of any Titanic movie.
Insane episode as always. If hope they let Gannicus kill Naevia at some point. Ceaser is quickly becoming my favourite character. Though I hope the rematch won't be the way Gannicus dies.
I think the beating is explained clearly by Crassus: the point is to make sure his men fear him over spartacus. I sure as hell would rather die in combat against spartacus then be slowly beaten to death.. everything made perfect sense to me.
On February 24 2013 10:51 CCa1ss1e wrote: I think the beating is explained clearly by Crassus: the point is to make sure his men fear him over spartacus. I sure as hell would rather die in combat against spartacus then be slowly beaten to death.. everything made perfect sense to me.
Not to mention that you might be beating a friend to death or vice versa.
On February 24 2013 05:01 Tuczniak wrote: The last episode was probably the best from the whole Spartacus so far. At least for me.
+1. Lots of powerful dramatic moments, very well written dialog, and compelling emotional motivations for everyone's actions. Kinda light on fight scenes and titties, this was more like a serious drama on this episode.
On February 24 2013 05:01 Tuczniak wrote: The last episode was probably the best from the whole Spartacus so far. At least for me.
+1. Lots of powerful dramatic moments, very well written dialog, and compelling emotional motivations for everyone's actions. Kinda light on fight scenes and titties, this was more like a serious drama on this episode.
Frustrates me that I know the history of Spartacus (and so far this season they've mimic'd very important parts, especially Decimation).
The weirdest thing is that I REALLY FUCKING LIKE Crassus and I kinda hope he wins. I heard they might throw this into a spin off Julius Caesar (if he's well received). I fucking hope so, but it pains me to know the end of this great journey.
And fucking Naevia... someone kill that bitch or I'll fucking do it, she frustrates me so much... So fucking simple, so simple...
On February 24 2013 05:01 Tuczniak wrote: The last episode was probably the best from the whole Spartacus so far. At least for me.
+1. Lots of powerful dramatic moments, very well written dialog, and compelling emotional motivations for everyone's actions. Kinda light on fight scenes and titties, this was more like a serious drama on this episode.
Frustrates me that I know the history of Spartacus (and so far this season they've mimic'd very important parts, especially Decimation).
The weirdest thing is that I REALLY FUCKING LIKE Crassus and I kinda hope he wins. I heard they might throw this into a spin off Julius Caesar (if he's well received). I fucking hope so, but it pains me to know the end of this great journey.
And fucking Naevia... someone kill that bitch or I'll fucking do it, she frustrates me so much... So fucking simple, so simple...
Hey. Don't disappear on us. Why do you like Crassus? Is it a historical thing? 'cause what Crassus did would put modern bankers to shame.
On February 24 2013 05:01 Tuczniak wrote: The last episode was probably the best from the whole Spartacus so far. At least for me.
+1. Lots of powerful dramatic moments, very well written dialog, and compelling emotional motivations for everyone's actions. Kinda light on fight scenes and titties, this was more like a serious drama on this episode.
Frustrates me that I know the history of Spartacus (and so far this season they've mimic'd very important parts, especially Decimation).
The weirdest thing is that I REALLY FUCKING LIKE Crassus and I kinda hope he wins. I heard they might throw this into a spin off Julius Caesar (if he's well received). I fucking hope so, but it pains me to know the end of this great journey.
And fucking Naevia... someone kill that bitch or I'll fucking do it, she frustrates me so much... So fucking simple, so simple...
Hey. Don't disappear on us. Why do you like Crassus? Is it a historical thing? 'cause what Crassus did would put modern bankers to shame.
I like Crassus's character in this show I mean, the actor and the ideals he holds. It's not historically accurate (he was much more of a scoundrel) but he's a great char. Historically he brought Decimation back as example, something extremely brutal and effective, he seemed to be a man of high principles and honor (comparing to previous).
Crixus continues on his path of being nothing but a giant pussy mentally and in physical prowess. Navia doing a good job of making us hate her. Ceaser = almost as good as crasus
Best season so far, one of the best episodes. This season came out strong and it has continued to get better, can already see how spartacus is going to lose the war through internal damage.
Naevia was a good character in season 1, but after they changed the role she plays (and the actress), she's more annoying than anything. Distracting Crixus from being a bad ass as well. Their love story was really good in the first season but now I wouldn't mind seeing her dying.
Anyway I'm eager to see how it pans out.
Also these are my opinion/thoughts. But I feel as if, the more the show progresses, the less and less sympathy we're going to have for the gladiators and the more sympathy we're going to get for the Romans. Bear with me here, this is just speculation. Let us examine what we've seen in these past few episodes. I'm especially talking about how the gladiators are treating Roman captives (example of forcing two Romans to fight for bread, then mutilating the baker). Also note the little girl and her mother who were killed during the taking of the city. I feel as if the writers are saying "ok guys look, some Romans, such as Batiatus or Glaber, are complete assholes and they deserved their fate".. but they're also saying "not all Romans are assholes, such as some of the people who lived in the city". Also Caesar.. crying at the fate of the woman and willing to die for her honor. The more I see of Caesar, the more I start to respect the man. Even Crassus, as ruthless as he is, shows respect for his adversary, not disdain. The markings of an honorable person.
The writers are starting to plant seeds of empathy for the Romans and are starting to show the gladiators in a bad light. My guess (it's a GUESS) is that in the end, we'll be happy that Spartacus falls and the Romans win because Caesar, at the time of the end of the show, will be a character we will like. He may even turn out to be a good person.
This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
On February 24 2013 18:32 coasts wrote: This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
Spartacus as well... he's the only reason the Roman captives are still alive and relatively unmolested. Gannicus is also a good person. But I agree, I feel that the show is showing that everyone is indeed an asshole, only strong leaders with "lofty ideals" can prevent people from being assholes. The show is getting really good if you stop to think about it.
On February 24 2013 18:32 coasts wrote: This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
In 1000 years someone will look back (if we make it that far) and what he'll say about us, is that we're all assholes except maybe one or two of us . It's all relative, the owning of slaves doesn't matter because with respect to that time he was humane and just.
On February 24 2013 18:32 coasts wrote: This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
In 1000 years someone will look back (if we make it that far) and what he'll say about us, is that we're all assholes except maybe one or two of us . It's all relative, the owning of slaves doesn't matter because with respect to that time he was humane and just.
Yeah, but those were way more violent times as well so killing everyone in the city, rather than feeding them, would be reasonable too. So spartacus and salve army would still be humane and just if they kill all the captured romans.
This season is great and I like it more than previous one. However I'm a bit confused with Ceasar's actions. He was very compassionate to that Roman woman but few minutes later he provoked rebels to slaughter the captives. It seemed clear to me that he wasn't planning to kill Fabia which makes me wonder why did he decide to sacrifice other Romans.
On February 25 2013 08:46 Sent. wrote: This season is great and I like it more than previous one. However I'm a bit confused with Ceasar's actions. He was very compassionate to that Roman woman but few minutes later he provoked rebels to slaughter the captives. It seemed clear to me that he wasn't planning to kill Fabia which makes me wonder why did he decide to sacrifice other Romans.
He realized that the Romans that were captive would just suffer until they died because of the Romans trying to save them or one by one by hunger or to simply entertain the freed slaves. A swift death to most of them he preferred would give them peace and further the cause of Rome.
On February 25 2013 08:46 Sent. wrote: This season is great and I like it more than previous one. However I'm a bit confused with Ceasar's actions. He was very compassionate to that Roman woman but few minutes later he provoked rebels to slaughter the captives. It seemed clear to me that he wasn't planning to kill Fabia which makes me wonder why did he decide to sacrifice other Romans.
He realized that the Romans that were captive would just suffer until they died because of the Romans trying to save them or one by one by hunger or to simply entertain the freed slaves. A swift death to most of them he preferred would give them peace and further the cause of Rome.
Actually he just wanted a means to cause internal damage to the rebellion...as he saw that some gladiators don't agree with Spartacus.
On February 25 2013 08:46 Sent. wrote: This season is great and I like it more than previous one. However I'm a bit confused with Ceasar's actions. He was very compassionate to that Roman woman but few minutes later he provoked rebels to slaughter the captives. It seemed clear to me that he wasn't planning to kill Fabia which makes me wonder why did he decide to sacrifice other Romans.
He realized that the Romans that were captive would just suffer until they died because of the Romans trying to save them or one by one by hunger or to simply entertain the freed slaves. A swift death to most of them he preferred would give them peace and further the cause of Rome.
Actually he just wanted a means to cause internal damage to the rebellion...as he saw that some gladiators don't agree with Spartacus.
Exactly. And when he's on the staircase, watching the others slaughtering Romans you can(or at leas I did) see genuine guilt/shock in his face for what he did.
On February 24 2013 18:32 coasts wrote: This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
In 1000 years someone will look back (if we make it that far) and what he'll say about us, is that we're all assholes except maybe one or two of us . It's all relative, the owning of slaves doesn't matter because with respect to that time he was humane and just.
Yeah, but those were way more violent times as well so killing everyone in the city, rather than feeding them, would be reasonable too. So spartacus and salve army would still be humane and just if they kill all the captured romans.
Agreed, but all it says it that Spartacus rose above his captors and would not succumb to barbaric nonesense like the slaughter of countless lives. He made his point clear, he is no Roman. His position is relative to experience thus he can relate thus creating a different plateau of humane practice; he can accurately judge and reflect therefore his actions are more 'humane' than those around him.
On February 24 2013 18:32 coasts wrote: This episode just showed that everyone is a jerk and it doesn't matter who wins. People with power all act the same. And Crassus is still a dick, despite being honorable, because he has slaves. Only the blacksmith, and maybe Gannicus and his girl, are actually legit human beings.
In 1000 years someone will look back (if we make it that far) and what he'll say about us, is that we're all assholes except maybe one or two of us . It's all relative, the owning of slaves doesn't matter because with respect to that time he was humane and just.
Yeah, but those were way more violent times as well so killing everyone in the city, rather than feeding them, would be reasonable too. So spartacus and salve army would still be humane and just if they kill all the captured romans.
Agreed, but all it says it that Spartacus rose above his captors and would not succumb to barbaric nonesense like the slaughter of countless lives. He made his point clear, he is no Roman. His position is relative to experience thus he can relate thus creating a different plateau of humane practice; he can accurately judge and reflect therefore his actions are more 'humane' than those around him.
On February 25 2013 14:35 FlyingDagger wrote: I Liked Tiberus's friend shame he had to die, i knew it would happen though. He didnt deserve it he didnt run like a pussy like the other soldiers
Those are probably all reasons why the writer(s) made him die lol.
Wow, what an episode! The title "Decimation" is fitting in more than one way: beside the Roman army's decimation, the Roman captives' ranks were decimated in a massacre, and Spartacus basically lost his general Crixus. Treason is in the air. Side notes: Gannicus and Crassus are badasses. Not enough titties.
On February 25 2013 18:26 Scorch wrote: Wow, what an episode! The title "Decimation" is fitting in more than one way: beside the Roman army's decimation, the Roman captives' ranks were decimated in a massacre, and Spartacus basically lost his general Crixus. Treason is in the air. Side notes: Gannicus and Crassus are badasses. Not enough titties.
decimation is an actual term for a punishment back in the roman days, kill every 10th person.
On February 25 2013 18:26 Scorch wrote: Wow, what an episode! The title "Decimation" is fitting in more than one way: beside the Roman army's decimation, the Roman captives' ranks were decimated in a massacre, and Spartacus basically lost his general Crixus. Treason is in the air. Side notes: Gannicus and Crassus are badasses. Not enough titties.
decimation is an actual term for a punishment back in the roman days, kill every 10th person.
It works both ways now, it's a misnomer to mean more than a 10th but it works anyway. It's like anti-semetic means anti-jew even though most semites are not Jewish, just how language evolves . I'm sure you knew this, just thought it'd clear it up a smidgen <3
so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
he does
to win even though Spartacus is so bad ass.
No, no they havn't. I thought this was beyond opinion and forged into fact by now. Veng/War have been embarrassing... quite surprised an optimist of your caliber yet lives, fascinating really.
How did everyone feel about Tiberius raping his "step-mother", whatever her name is. I have some thoughts on this but I'm afraid of sharing them.
The decimation from last week's ep felt far more evil and psychotic than Crixus slaughtering the Romans. I still want to resistance to win even though they don't.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
he does
to win even though Spartacus is so bad ass.
No, no they havn't. I thought this was beyond opinion and forged into fact by now. Veng/War have been embarrassing... quite surprised an optimist of your caliber yet lives, fascinating really.
To go a bit into foreplay, see your outrageous assertions fall from tongue or see cock shrivel at a serious knowledge bashing event that will surely follow.
Fact is, you keep saying 'this is this, that's that, it's weak' and statements along those lines but back it up with nothing... How is this season not stellar and who is this 'opinion' that is "forged into fact by now"? Your opinion? Certainly not this threads if you happened to have been reading.
Do go on, I enjoy counter opinions because usually they're unfounded and easily laughed off.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
Pretty sure the general opinion of this thread so far is that Season 3 has been stellar.
100%. This has honestly been the best one so far and I think it exceeds Blood and Sand by a wide margin and HBO's Rome by a slim margin.
HBO's Rome fell short when funding was cut and seasons shortened, it's start was amazing but it quickly faded from memory in a rather upsetting fashion... Interesting news, (SPOILER IF YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY OR HOW THE SHOW ENDS) + Show Spoiler +
they may do a spin off of Spartacus after this season with Julius Caesar andCrassus as the main characters
.
On March 02 2013 14:36 Drowsy wrote: Spoilers from tonights episode
How did everyone feel about Tiberius raping his "step-mother", whatever her name is. I have some thoughts on this but I'm afraid of sharing them.
The decimation from last week's ep felt far more evil and psychotic than Crixus slaughtering the Romans. I still want to resistance to win even though they don't.
It'll be interesting if she tells Crassus or protects his son and what Crassus will do if (when) he finds out. He may cast her aside (as she is soiled) and crush his son, my mind leads me to believe he will feel betrayed by her because she keeps it, or tries to keep it quiet. Although, however, he is very, very smart and as such he should be able to tell something is wrong, we'll know next episode I believe. What surprised me was that he didn't rape her ass (as odd as that sounds) in Roman times this was a sign of dominance and submission (and pleasure) but it showed absolute authority, often men would rape other men (such as is happening in African tribes today for male slave prisoners) to show place and position. I think it was cause that would have been pretty grotesque of a scene, maybe to much for (and yes I realize Spartacus is a soft porn) Starzz network lol.
EDIT: Guess I should spoiler this lol
On your last remark, Decimation isn't as much about 'evil' as it is absolute control. A commanding officer must, especially in those times, have absolute control and fear of his men (as well as undying respect) to properly engage any strong opponent and as such drastic measures must be appropriate. The difference between Decimation and the slaughtering of civilians is that Decimation is taken upon oath breakers (or a legion formulated mostly of oath breakers such that even the ones who stood ground are raked in as example) while civilians are non-combatants. There is a severe difference, one is protocol (corporal punishment to put it lightly) on people who have taken oath to do their duty, the other is innocent (to an extent, obviously in Roman times innocent is hard to perceive with relation to slave owning etc) civilians and is much more condemning.
How did everyone feel about Tiberius raping his "step-mother", whatever her name is. I have some thoughts on this but I'm afraid of sharing them.
The decimation from last week's ep felt far more evil and psychotic than Crixus slaughtering the Romans. I still want to resistance to win even though they don't.
It'll be interesting if she tells Crassus or protects his son and what Crassus will do if (when) he finds out. He may cast her aside (as she is soiled) and crush his son, my mind leads me to believe he will feel betrayed by her because she keeps it, or tries to keep it quiet. Although, however, he is very, very smart and as such he should be able to tell something is wrong, we'll know next episode I believe. What surprised me was that he didn't rape her ass (as odd as that sounds) in Roman times this was a sign of dominance and submission (and pleasure) but it showed absolute authority, often men would rape other men (such as is happening in African tribes today for male slave prisoners) to show place and position. I think it was cause that would have been pretty grotesque of a scene, maybe to much for (and yes I realize Spartacus is a soft porn) Starzz network lol.
This was just my emotional response to these scenes. I'm sure it will be found offensive or repugnant by somebody, but you can gfys.
I was really hoping that Tiberius would kill Kore after he raped her. His father nearly had him killed, actively humiliates him at every turn, and forced him to kill his own best friend in a very painful, drawn out, and emotionally scarring way. It was indirectly Kore's fault and Tiberius displayed some awareness of this. For whatever reason, I found the decimation scene so graphic and brutal that it makes me feel like Kore's rape (and even murder) is completely justified, and more. I really hope that both she and Crassus die and that Tiberius gets his revenge. That kid is like 16... and his dad almost killed him in the most brutal fashion possible. I reaaalllyyyy hate Crassus+Kore and I'm really pulling for this Tiberius kid more than any other character on the show. Even when the rebellion eventually loses and thousands of slaves are crucified, I'll be emotionally at balance as long as Tiberius prevails in the end and bad things happen to Crassus and Kore
It was disturbing... I haven't seen that many rape scenes in film and television, but like any normal person, ever time I do I was always disgusted/repulsed/sympathetic. Not this time though... this time it was like a visceral aggressive response like "yeah... that bitch deserves it". I feel guilty for even feeling this way.
But on a lighter note, I'm insanely impressed with the last 2 episodes and this season as a whole. The fact that it will end in tragedy will make it even better as a piece of cinema. Just like in reality, the hero doesn't get the sword of whatever and rally the people and spread freedom and happiness over the world and get the girl etc. Shows with those kinds of endings are boring and overdone.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
Illythia was attractive and all but I found there were a lot of accidental unflattering shots of her.
Just watched this episode. What an amazing climax... the fight scenes in it were absolutely glorious and I think that was new music? Amazing episode again.
I would actually rate this season over Blood & Sand currently. Andy Whitfield and Battiatus were amazing in B&S and it definitely had its charm but this season is television entertainment at its finest. For the slow parts we have drama that matters and moves the story forward, believable character emotions and motivations and I don't even think I have to explain why the action scenes are great. Ex-gladiators jumping from heights in slowmotion with a short sword, what more could you ask for?
I feel like this is one of the best television shows out there currently, does STARZ produce other shows of this quality?
On March 02 2013 16:09 Chrispy wrote: Illythia was attractive and all but I found there were a lot of accidental unflattering shots of her.
Just watched this episode. What an amazing climax... the fight scenes in it were absolutely glorious and I think that was new music? Amazing episode again.
I would actually rate this season over Blood & Sand currently. Andy Whitfield and Battiatus were amazing in B&S and it definitely had its charm but this season is television entertainment at its finest. For the slow parts we have drama that matters and moves the story forward, believable character emotions and motivations and I don't even think I have to explain why the action scenes are great. Ex-gladiators jumping from heights in slowmotion with a short sword, what more could you ask for?
I feel like this is one of the best television shows out there currently, does STARZ produce other shows of this quality?
doesn't seem like starz has anything to offer besides this show, which is unfortunate because it means that the show looks a lot less palatable by association with shows like magic city and the upcoming abominable-looking da vinci series. like, without the desire to start a knife fight, I would say that in terms of quality spartacus should be the AMC show and walking dead should be relegated to starz. obviously that can't happen for many reasons, but this show is quite the underrated gem and it deserves more than the easy dismissal it gets as the T&A show that it simultaneously is and isn't.
I would also tentatively say that this is the best season of spartacus just in front of GotA (I've only seen half of the first season, and I started watching during vengeance so going from mcintyre to whitfield was a bit jarring). as much as I liked the constant little struggles of the gladiator-dominus relationship, we endured all of vengeance, which only had a few standout episodes, to get to where we are now and there's more interesting stuff going on in every episode without the constraints of that dynamic holding characters back. also, bigger battles aw yee.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
Illythia was Glaber's wife. Spartacus' wife's name was Sura, she's the one I meant.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
he does
to win even though Spartacus is so bad ass.
No, no they havn't. I thought this was beyond opinion and forged into fact by now. Veng/War have been embarrassing... quite surprised an optimist of your caliber yet lives, fascinating really.
As everyone has already been telling you, that's an opinion that you forged yourself, don't try to pass it off as fact because it makes you look like a total dumb ass. Who are your sources exactly? They can't be the forum on TL because they tend to disagree with you, in fact, a lot of other forums also think that this season has been fantastic so far, so I'm really curious to see where you get your facts from. Of course there are going to be people who dislike this season, but I'm still wondering where you got that "season 2 and 3 are embarrassing and everybody agrees with me" bull crap from.
The fact that someone as smug and yet stupid as you lives is fascinating really.
I was expecting crixus and spartacus to do the typical kiss and make up by fighting each other and getting over it as men do (based on the name of the episode, Blood Brothers.. you know, beat the shit out of each and realize they respect and love each other), but was really surprised by this episode.
I was surprised that young Tiberius raped Kore as she was being super sympathetic and heart-warming.
On March 02 2013 15:05 Drowsy wrote:I was really hoping that Tiberius would kill Kore after he raped her. His father nearly had him killed, actively humiliates him at every turn, and forced him to kill his own best friend in a very painful, drawn out, and emotionally scarring way. It was indirectly Kore's fault and Tiberius displayed some awareness of this.
Though I agree 100% with the rest of your post, I honestly think Kore is genuinely benevolent... I don't see the twisted evil side in her like I did in Ilythia for example. I think she was really just trying to be helpful to Marcus by telling him to treat Tiberius like a man, and he took it as he needs to be included in the decimation stone drawing. I think she was also being genuine in trying to comfort Tiberius and has been trying to strengthen the relationship between father/son the entire season. I think the rape scene looks poorly on Tiberius, as he is obviously emotionally fucked due to killing his friend with a club. I get where he's coming from: "he took something from me and I would have something in return", so you rape the girl that's trying to comfort you to get back at your dad? Not quite the way I would have went about it, since I don't think she deserves it as she's doing nothing besides trying to help, but then again I don't know how value-less slaves were in those times, so maybe it was the best way for him to emotionally fuck with his dad since he's obviously super cunning as his father.
I really love the cunning on both sides of this series. It's always been there in the past series, but the brilliance of the writers is really shining through in War of the Damned. The viewers are left to wonder how things will unfold, and it's always so complex and unexpected so it makes for a wonderful viewer experience. I don't think I need to give specific examples here, it's been happening almost every episode.
Glad the "self-deserving" fucks died this time around (nemetis, heroclius).
I hope Agron and Nasir make up. Although I'm not a fan of the man-on-man sex scenes, they are some of the most level-headed and good-hearted people left in Spartacus' ranks besides the man himself
Julius is such a fucking savage it's hard to cheer for the "rebels" anymore.
Can't wait for next Friday! If they delay the new episode by another week like they did last week I might cry
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
clear winner for me is Oenomaos' (did i spell this right?xd) wife
also worth mentioning: Sura, old Naevia, Crassus' lover that got raped by his son, the german blonde that does Gannicus, Aedile's wife and the blonde from season 1 who got killed in Batiatus' house by Illythia after having sex with Spartacus
Can't believe you guys haven't mentioned Lythia for hottest actor... She was so fucking attractive. It's a toss between her and Crassus slave lover imo.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
Eww, go back to season 1 and keep a close eye on her face. No offense to the actress but she's damn ugly in most scenes if you pay attention.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
Eww, go back to season 1 and keep a close eye on her face. No offense to the actress but she's damn ugly in most scenes if you pay attention.
This show continues its strategy of starting slow and getting better as it goes into the season...oh wait no it didn't this season, it started out incredibly strong and has exponentially gotten better with each episode.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
clear winner for me is Oenomaos' (did i spell this right?xd) wife
I agree. and it's Enomao, but english makes weird and confusing things.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
imho the hottest was the slave girl that got ass-raped by batiatus in the bathroom in the season 1 episode after they killed theokoles... i think she had no name, but she was extremely pretty and super-sexy at the same time. best boobs of the whole series for sure.
just google "laura surrich spartacus" with safesearch deactivated and you will know which scene i am referring to. and which godly pair of boobs.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
he does
to win even though Spartacus is so bad ass.
No, no they havn't. I thought this was beyond opinion and forged into fact by now. Veng/War have been embarrassing... quite surprised an optimist of your caliber yet lives, fascinating really.
To go a bit into foreplay, see your outrageous assertions fall from tongue or see cock shrivel at a serious knowledge bashing event that will surely follow.
Fact is, you keep saying 'this is this, that's that, it's weak' and statements along those lines but back it up with nothing... How is this season not stellar and who is this 'opinion' that is "forged into fact by now"? Your opinion? Certainly not this threads if you happened to have been reading.
Do go on, I enjoy counter opinions because usually they're unfounded and easily laughed off.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
Pretty sure the general opinion of this thread so far is that Season 3 has been stellar.
100%. This has honestly been the best one so far and I think it exceeds Blood and Sand by a wide margin and HBO's Rome by a slim margin.
HBO's Rome fell short when funding was cut and seasons shortened, it's start was amazing but it quickly faded from memory in a rather upsetting fashion... Interesting news, (SPOILER IF YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY OR HOW THE SHOW ENDS) + Show Spoiler +
they may do a spin off of Spartacus after this season with Julius Caesar andCrassus as the main characters
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On March 02 2013 14:36 Drowsy wrote: Spoilers from tonights episode
How did everyone feel about Tiberius raping his "step-mother", whatever her name is. I have some thoughts on this but I'm afraid of sharing them.
The decimation from last week's ep felt far more evil and psychotic than Crixus slaughtering the Romans. I still want to resistance to win even though they don't.
It'll be interesting if she tells Crassus or protects his son and what Crassus will do if (when) he finds out. He may cast her aside (as she is soiled) and crush his son, my mind leads me to believe he will feel betrayed by her because she keeps it, or tries to keep it quiet. Although, however, he is very, very smart and as such he should be able to tell something is wrong, we'll know next episode I believe. What surprised me was that he didn't rape her ass (as odd as that sounds) in Roman times this was a sign of dominance and submission (and pleasure) but it showed absolute authority, often men would rape other men (such as is happening in African tribes today for male slave prisoners) to show place and position. I think it was cause that would have been pretty grotesque of a scene, maybe to much for (and yes I realize Spartacus is a soft porn) Starzz network lol.
EDIT: Guess I should spoiler this lol
On your last remark, Decimation isn't as much about 'evil' as it is absolute control. A commanding officer must, especially in those times, have absolute control and fear of his men (as well as undying respect) to properly engage any strong opponent and as such drastic measures must be appropriate. The difference between Decimation and the slaughtering of civilians is that Decimation is taken upon oath breakers (or a legion formulated mostly of oath breakers such that even the ones who stood ground are raked in as example) while civilians are non-combatants. There is a severe difference, one is protocol (corporal punishment to put it lightly) on people who have taken oath to do their duty, the other is innocent (to an extent, obviously in Roman times innocent is hard to perceive with relation to slave owning etc) civilians and is much more condemning.
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
They've... All been really good episodes?
Anyway, omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BROTHERS ARE FORGED ONCE MORE IN BLOOD! God I was so fucking excited when Crixus and Spartacus man'armed it out, FUCKING YES! This episode was so good... I love this season because Spartacus doesn't just win auto because his enemies are greedy/stupid/arrogant/rash, Marcus Crassus is the perfect enemy, I actually kinda want him (don't read spoiler if you don't know history and don't want a spoiler)+ Show Spoiler +
he does
to win even though Spartacus is so bad ass.
No, no they havn't. I thought this was beyond opinion and forged into fact by now. Veng/War have been embarrassing... quite surprised an optimist of your caliber yet lives, fascinating really.
To go a bit into foreplay, see your outrageous assertions fall from tongue or see cock shrivel at a serious knowledge bashing event that will surely follow.
Fact is, you keep saying 'this is this, that's that, it's weak' and statements along those lines but back it up with nothing... How is this season not stellar and who is this 'opinion' that is "forged into fact by now"? Your opinion? Certainly not this threads if you happened to have been reading.
Do go on, I enjoy counter opinions because usually they're unfounded and easily laughed off.
On March 02 2013 14:38 Drowsy wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:37 Chrispy wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:02 Ohhsee wrote: Finally a good episode... ep05 almost as good as the Blood and Sand days. I needed this, was losing faith fast.
Pretty sure the general opinion of this thread so far is that Season 3 has been stellar.
100%. This has honestly been the best one so far and I think it exceeds Blood and Sand by a wide margin and HBO's Rome by a slim margin.
HBO's Rome fell short when funding was cut and seasons shortened, it's start was amazing but it quickly faded from memory in a rather upsetting fashion... Interesting news, (SPOILER IF YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY OR HOW THE SHOW ENDS) + Show Spoiler +
they may do a spin off of Spartacus after this season with Julius Caesar andCrassus as the main characters
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On March 02 2013 14:36 Drowsy wrote: Spoilers from tonights episode
How did everyone feel about Tiberius raping his "step-mother", whatever her name is. I have some thoughts on this but I'm afraid of sharing them.
The decimation from last week's ep felt far more evil and psychotic than Crixus slaughtering the Romans. I still want to resistance to win even though they don't.
It'll be interesting if she tells Crassus or protects his son and what Crassus will do if (when) he finds out. He may cast her aside (as she is soiled) and crush his son, my mind leads me to believe he will feel betrayed by her because she keeps it, or tries to keep it quiet. Although, however, he is very, very smart and as such he should be able to tell something is wrong, we'll know next episode I believe. What surprised me was that he didn't rape her ass (as odd as that sounds) in Roman times this was a sign of dominance and submission (and pleasure) but it showed absolute authority, often men would rape other men (such as is happening in African tribes today for male slave prisoners) to show place and position. I think it was cause that would have been pretty grotesque of a scene, maybe to much for (and yes I realize Spartacus is a soft porn) Starzz network lol.
EDIT: Guess I should spoiler this lol
On your last remark, Decimation isn't as much about 'evil' as it is absolute control. A commanding officer must, especially in those times, have absolute control and fear of his men (as well as undying respect) to properly engage any strong opponent and as such drastic measures must be appropriate. The difference between Decimation and the slaughtering of civilians is that Decimation is taken upon oath breakers (or a legion formulated mostly of oath breakers such that even the ones who stood ground are raked in as example) while civilians are non-combatants. There is a severe difference, one is protocol (corporal punishment to put it lightly) on people who have taken oath to do their duty, the other is innocent (to an extent, obviously in Roman times innocent is hard to perceive with relation to slave owning etc) civilians and is much more condemning.
I do? You must have me confused with your father or something... either way you're trying way too hard.
And again you make a statement of little worth to back up no claim you made Seems like the usual statement from someone making a rash claim like "Veng/War have been embarrassing..." and seemingly thinking this is the general consensus when it's obviously not.
On March 03 2013 04:13 Drowsy wrote: I'm just waitin for some sexin with the Aedile's wife. Obv has some huge tits, the audience needs to see them imo.
She has a scene in the movie Cabin in the Woods. Not sure if it was her or a body double though.
On March 03 2013 04:13 Drowsy wrote: I'm just waitin for some sexin with the Aedile's wife. Obv has some huge tits, the audience needs to see them imo.
She has a scene in the movie Cabin in the Woods. Not sure if it was her or a body double though.
And IMO, Mira and Sibyl are my favorites.
I'm surprised that was her, she seemed rly flat in that movie compared to this (on the left)
On March 03 2013 04:09 alypse wrote: I think we had enough of sex scenes between Crassus and his favorite slave... That woman is hot and all, but I want some diversity lol
On March 03 2013 04:09 alypse wrote: I think we had enough of sex scenes between Crassus and his favorite slave... That woman is hot and all, but I want some diversity lol
How about a rape for diversity...
He's talking about the obligatory fan service sex scene every episode has and that its been Crassus and his woman for a while now. Well, not counting Agron and his boyfriend.
On March 03 2013 04:09 alypse wrote: I think we had enough of sex scenes between Crassus and his favorite slave... That woman is hot and all, but I want some diversity lol
How about a rape for diversity...
He's talking about the obligatory fan service sex scene every episode has and that its been Crassus and his woman for a while now. Well, not counting Agron and his boyfriend.
I think it's about time one of the main characters should die... It's getting somewhat tiresome to see these awesome battles but you always know no one will die. Like in the latest episode when they are ambushed at the docks and they kill like 30 soldiers just the 2 of them...
I hope the Imperator slaughters a few of them for some action to happen!
Only issue I've had with Liam is his size... It just doesnt feel right at all that he's so "small" compared to the other guys, especially since his predecessor was really well built. Some Tom Hardy/Christian Bale workout ethics could come in handy for this guy! ^^
On March 03 2013 17:05 DwD wrote: I think it's about time one of the main characters should die... It's getting somewhat tiresome to see these awesome battles but you always know no one will die. Like in the latest episode when they are ambushed at the docks and they kill like 30 soldiers just the 2 of them...
I hope the Imperator slaughters a few of them for some action to happen!
I agree - knowing that the gladiators are basically invincible makes the battles less exciting. Not even a random gladiator died at the docks. Also at the gate with ceasar, I thought one of the three gladiators might die, maybe the german guy with the axe, but nope.
Sura was definitely the most beautiful girl on the show.
So much blood last episode... so awesome, enjoying the season immensely. The whole crixus naevia rebellion thing was annoying me last episode. Crixus better remember who freed him from the ludis, who went back and rescued him from the arena and also who helped him free his wife.
Ungrateful lil bitch
I am wondering will spartacus be captured and executed in the Colosseum ? it would be awesome seeing him fight in his last ever match back on the sand.
On March 03 2013 20:48 badboymav wrote: Sura was definitely the most beautiful girl on the show.
So much blood last episode... so awesome, enjoying the season immensely. The whole crixus naevia rebellion thing was annoying me last episode. Crixus better remember who freed him from the ludis, who went back and rescued him from the arena and also who helped him free his wife.
Ungrateful lil bitch
I am wondering will spartacus be captured and executed in the Colosseum ? it would be awesome seeing him fight in his last ever match back on the sand.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
Eww, go back to season 1 and keep a close eye on her face. No offense to the actress but she's damn ugly in most scenes if you pay attention.
Blasphemy
Her rack, was sublime.
I cannot argue with that, no sir, I can not! ^_^
edit: I love where the discussion in this thread is heading lol, the writers would be proud of us!
On March 03 2013 21:01 TigerKarl wrote: Wow, this show is still as bad as the pilot. People told me it would get better, but it's just as misanthropic, flat and nihilistic.
That's why its good lol... Did you want happy fun glory save the world and marry the princess time?
I am wondering will spartacus be captured and executed in the Colosseum ? it would be awesome seeing him fight in his last ever match back on the sand.
That actually would be a totally awesome way to close out the series even if historically inaccurate, but lol if they would make the same mistake twice.
I am wondering will spartacus be captured and executed in the Colosseum ? it would be awesome seeing him fight in his last ever match back on the sand.
That actually would be a totally awesome way to close out the series even if historically inaccurate, but lol if they would make the same mistake twice.
Spartacus was never found dead or alive, rumors are that he died on the battle field but some accounts indicate he may have left back for Thrace.
Just an interesting tidbit, the other generals/chars however... T.T
ALSO it should be known that there was no evidence that Spartacus was this caring, free the slaves guy, this is just the canon of the story that slightly resembles his story, so they could totally change canon and make the show whatever lol Pompey and Marcus Crassus had a bit of a rivalry.
On March 04 2013 05:38 Shalaiyn wrote: Spartacus kills Caesar and replaces him in history.
Now that'd be a twist.
What I'm afriad of is Navia doing something fucking stupid (like HITTING FUCKING GANNY WITH A ROCK AND ALMOST KILLLING HIM) on one of the main characters because she's a psychotic bitch and Crixus being to madly in love to stop her/kill her. I feel like she'll be the reason everyone gets torn down.
On March 03 2013 21:01 TigerKarl wrote: Wow, this show is still as bad as the pilot. People told me it would get better, but it's just as misanthropic, flat and nihilistic.
I'd take misanthropic but not very flat and I would wager you don't understand what nihilism really means if you're trying to apply it to the least nihilistic season of the show.
On March 04 2013 22:43 Itachii wrote: Fuck the history, show us how Spartacus kills Caesar and rules Rome and whole empire in next season.
lol this would be so cool. Though, knowing the writers, everybody will be dead at the end of the series. Literally, everybody. America will come in and nuke the shit out of Rome.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
imho the hottest was the slave girl that got ass-raped by batiatus in the bathroom in the season 1 episode after they killed theokoles... i think she had no name, but she was extremely pretty and super-sexy at the same time. best boobs of the whole series for sure.
just google "laura surrich spartacus" with safesearch deactivated and you will know which scene i am referring to. and which godly pair of boobs.
Ah yes, someone else who remembers "bath girl" from season 1.
This episode was full of surprises and I loved it. Heracleo's betrayal was a bit predictable but actions of Tiberius and feigned dissent were unexcpeted.
On March 01 2013 15:29 Assault_1 wrote: so whos the hottest woman on this show? For me it has to be Mira, but for alive characters I'd go with Saxa (tho maybe its just her personality thats attractive).
Spartacus' wife was the hottest.
Illythia was hottest ever for sure imo. Currently alive? Aedile's wife probably.
imho the hottest was the slave girl that got ass-raped by batiatus in the bathroom in the season 1 episode after they killed theokoles... i think she had no name, but she was extremely pretty and super-sexy at the same time. best boobs of the whole series for sure.
just google "laura surrich spartacus" with safesearch deactivated and you will know which scene i am referring to. and which godly pair of boobs.
Ah yes, someone else who remembers "bath girl" from season 1.
googled that phrase ("laura surrich spartacus"), and every single picture shows a different girl... dafaq. Some i recognize as other characters but seriosuly google, get ur shit together
From the current season, the Aedile's wife has a really really cute face for sure
Yeah bath girl was amazing. Still think the hottest was the women spartacus was banging at the end of season 2 I think? The episode that + Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2013 18:34 Kyuki wrote: Only issue I've had with Liam is his size... It just doesnt feel right at all that he's so "small" compared to the other guys, especially since his predecessor was really well built. Some Tom Hardy/Christian Bale workout ethics could come in handy for this guy! ^^
My theory is that's why they put him in full armor this season. With that said though, it's just his genetics. Not all people can achieve bodies like Andy the others through exercise alone. Genetics do play a factor.
On March 05 2013 05:15 Scorch wrote: I'll go with Mira or the old Naevia for pure beauty, but Illythia in terms of sexiness for her wicked aura. What a succubus.
i don't think illythia looks very good. but still i want to fuck her the most for some reason.
On March 07 2013 02:12 BigAsia wrote: Anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that Kore is actually Tiberius' real mother?
Slightly but ... not entirely, while I'd say she looks similar to him (and she kinda looks similar to Emmy Rossum from Shameless I might add, smokinnnnn) his father looks very similar also. As interesting as that might be for some reason I feel no, I mean she only started to call him Marcus (and not Dominus) this season (or about 18 years after the boys birth). I feel it's unlikely.
On March 05 2013 05:15 Scorch wrote: I'll go with Mira or the old Naevia for pure beauty, but Illythia in terms of sexiness for her wicked aura. What a succubus.
i don't think illythia looks very good. but still i want to fuck her the most for some reason.
i think she has the right combination of a sexy body and wicked, succubi-like personality that makes a man want to fuck her extremely hard, in order to "punish" her. at least thats how I feel about her...
On March 07 2013 02:12 BigAsia wrote: Anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that Kore is actually Tiberius' real mother?
Slightly but ... not entirely, while I'd say she looks similar to him (and she kinda looks similar to Emmy Rossum from Shameless I might add, smokinnnnn) his father looks very similar also. As interesting as that might be for some reason I feel no, I mean she only started to call him Marcus (and not Dominus) this season (or about 18 years after the boys birth). I feel it's unlikely.
Ummmmm no............ His mom BIRTHED him. Which means she carried him, and went into labor.
The real father premise can be manipulated. But real mother...... lol........ that's laughable.
Episode 7 was just okay. I thought the whole scene with the executions and Tiberius's failed stunt to get Caesar killed felt forced and silly. Ep 6 was hard to live up to though.
On March 09 2013 13:40 Drowsy wrote: Episode 7 was just okay. I thought the whole scene with the executions and Tiberius's failed stunt to get Caesar killed felt forced and silly. Ep 6 was hard to live up to though.
You just watched episode 6, not 7. Episode 7 will be released next friday.
I agree with you on the execution scene, but there were some really good fight scenes and plot development in this episode. Episode 5 is hard to live up to, I was on the edge of my seat for most of it.
On March 09 2013 22:58 RowdierBob wrote: So what was that big trench thing at the end and what significance did it have?
/me not getting it
That was the ridge.......basically indicating it is indeed impassable. Spartacus declared they are going to fight where they stand. Kind of lame they are backed into a corner, oh well.
Laeta is smoking, Kore is as well. Top 2 of this season for me so far, Sibyl 3rd.
At first I hated Tiberius, why is this kid so arrogant? Then you realize that his shit-disturbing is quite entertaining. Although a quick Wiki search says Kore has been serving Crassus since Tiberius was born. Not in the sense that she's the mother, but a near-mother figure and he then went ahead and did that. Kids marbles are unraveling. Also can Gannicus get any more badass?
Laeta is quickly becoming the most sympathetic character and Tiberius the most tragic. This season is overall just fantastic. I said it before, but this is the best season of the show so far. I'm enjoying it more than either season of Game of Thrones even. All the new characters are just so engaging and believable. My ranking: 1. War of the Damned 2. Blood and Sand 3. Gods of the Arena 4. Vengeance, really sub par.
On March 10 2013 09:53 Drowsy wrote: Laeta is quickly becoming the most sympathetic character and Tiberius the most tragic. This season is overall just fantastic. I said it before, but this is the best season of the show so far. I'm enjoying it more than either season of Game of Thrones even. All the new characters are just so engaging and believable. My ranking: 1. War of the Damned 2. Blood and Sand 3. Gods of the Arena 4. Vengeance, really sub par.
I loved vengeance, id definitely put it above gods of the arena. Blood and sand was sweet but it started to get drawn out from lack of variety and its monochromatic style, it'd be better if it was 10 epi's I think
On March 10 2013 23:47 Nyovne wrote: Crassus for president, fuck those slave scumbags!
I have 0 idea how anyone could root for the romans in this show. Despite any historical accuracy they put in.I mean sure, enjoy the characters, but I've seen alot of ppl claim that rome was honorable............
Ancient rome, was far from honorable. They raped, stole, and pillaged as much if not more than spartacus. Only they did it under a different guise.
On March 09 2013 22:58 RowdierBob wrote: So what was that big trench thing at the end and what significance did it have?
/me not getting it
That was the ridge.......basically indicating it is indeed impassable. Spartacus declared they are going to fight where they stand. Kind of lame they are backed into a corner, oh well.
To add on, it's basically a wall in a sense. Spartacus has no way out of the position they are currently in which was Crassuss' plan all along.
One end has that trench followed by the wooden gate barriers (which is basically a trap) and the other end would be Crassuss' army and Sinuessa (sp?). Hence the only way out is to face Crassuss.
On March 10 2013 10:33 kongoline wrote: i have man crush on Gannicus, coolest male actor in this series so far, no homo
Yup.
Pretty much, I think even the Romans cheer for Gannicus once in a while, guy's a complete badass.
Crixus is just a little bitch now, I can't wait to see him and his annoying bitch die (Naevia). I don't know why, but their "dragged" love story just got the best of me, and I thought it was just..dumb to keep on draining that. I guess, Spartacus was just repaying the favour and that's what the writers wanted to show.
Laeta is just..fuck.
It's near the end of the season, and well, the next couple of episodes are going to be a complete heart-break for all the people following the show.
They must pay respects to Andy Withfield, that guy was the re-encarnation of Spartacus, and without his charm and great acting on season 1, this would have not scaled the way it did.
On March 11 2013 05:45 ZenithM wrote: Just thought of something guys: What does Spartacus make when he crushes a noble roman general's head on the ground? + Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2013 05:08 KirA_TheGreaT wrote: Honestly i'm neutral, at the end of the day, they are all killers, just as crassus said, they are both heroes and villains.
was I the only person that was struck by the similarity of the city being taken over by either side? Both bloody and merciless when captured by Spartacus and the same when re-taken by Crassus. Only difference in character was that Crassus pawned off Laeta and Spartacus would not.
Gannicus is really a true badass and a man among men. Crixus has fallen from the manliest bro to the most whiny emo kid, helped by Naevia, apparently driven batshit cray-cray when she turned from asian into black woman. I feel like I'm alone in thinking that Spartacus is still awesome and badass as well, and the substitute actor is doing a good job.
Gannicus and Spartacus god tier.
Edit: And Caesar and Crassus are a good change from the usual roman weaklings. + Show Spoiler +
I liked wild Caesar more than uniform Caesar, but eh :/
On March 11 2013 05:08 KirA_TheGreaT wrote: Honestly i'm neutral, at the end of the day, they are all killers, just as crassus said, they are both heroes and villains.
Yeah same. Regardless of who wins in the end humanity fails.
I'm not sure what happened to Crixus's voice from season 1, after S2 he became all whispers. He still has some moments that remind me of his old self.. when he busted through the doors and grabbed the guard by his neck, or when he did that crazy slo-mo jump down to help spartacus, I thought forsure he was gonna cut a roman in half vertically.
At the end of S1 I feel he was still a better fighter than spartacus, now it seems like Ashur could beat him.
On March 10 2013 09:53 Drowsy wrote: Laeta is quickly becoming the most sympathetic character and Tiberius the most tragic. This season is overall just fantastic. I said it before, but this is the best season of the show so far. I'm enjoying it more than either season of Game of Thrones even. All the new characters are just so engaging and believable. My ranking: 1. War of the Damned 2. Blood and Sand 3. Gods of the Arena 4. Vengeance, really sub par.
I agree with this ranking of the show (still not above GoT in my book). Vengeance was horrible (there were some good episodes in the start) and then they come out with this gem.
I think Crixus is only acting this way cause of Naevia. He does everything for her and always listens to her even if its against what Spartacus said. For example, when Naevia killed Gannicus' blacksmith friend cause she suspected him of hiding Romans because he was one; Crixus automatically took her side regardless of what Gannicus said.
She needs to die so he can go ape and kill a whole legion or something.
beauty is beauty, illythia is pretty enticing mostly because of her personality (and rack) , she's foxy and appealing, but not really pretty. Sura, Laeta and Kore/Seppia would be my top 3 beautys.
Talking badassery, I always thought that Crixus was a whiny, entitled little bitch but he has gotten much worse together with Naevia, she has recently reached whole new levels of annoying. Gannicus is easily the top 1 badass but Crassus and Spartacus deserve honorary mentions.Now, on to actual history, I thought that Caesar took no part whatsoever in dealing with the servile wars?
How amazingly awesome would it be if at the end of this season they went full Tarantino and just had Spartacus + Gannicus straight up murder Caesar and Crassus and the rest of them? :D Because fuck you, History!
On March 16 2013 07:10 Chrispy wrote: So hyped. TriHard
How amazingly awesome would it be if at the end of this season they went full Tarantino and just had Spartacus + Gannicus straight up murder Caesar and Crassus and the rest of them? :D Because fuck you, History!
spartacus takes a strategic victory for the first time since taking the city, and you consider that nothing happening? let alone all the qt couplings/uncouplings and character subplots...not sure what the complaint is stemming from, really, unless you were hoping for the spartacus/crixus split which I begin to doubt less and less will actually happen.
Another pretty good one. Had a lot of exposition/character development. I reaallllyyy want to know what happened with Kore. I doubt she actually joined the rebellion as Crassus said. This might have been part of whatever she planned with Caesar and perhaps they're involved in some conspiracy to kill Tiberius, but then she did murder that Guard so maybe not.
I thought a lot of water broke on this episode. + Show Spoiler +
Laeta and spartacus finally get cozy, gannicus and whats-her-name finally do it, Agron and the selician finally made up, spartacus and crixus finally got the bro-fight out of their system, kore began whatever plot she has conceived to rid herself of Tiberius, Tiberius finally got back in command, but nothing happened. Oh, and spartacus broke out of the contain... lol
EDIT 2: AND NAEVIA FINALLY FUCKING GOT STABBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the next episode preview clip looks pretty enticing. I won't spoil it for you guys in case you didn't watch it, but I'm curious what else will happen besides sex and fighting, like how the story will progress since there's only 3 more episodes. What do you guys think? One more "filler" episode of preparing for the finale and delving into Kore's plot, then 2 episodes of blood and guts?
it seemed like Kore's encounter with Crassus in the tent was her figuring out that he knew Tiberius was fucking her and that he was basically telling her that's her place (go listen to that whole conversation again, Crassus really sounds like he's saying he knows what happened (Tiberius raping Kore), which actually makes her killing the guards and joining the rebellion a likely possibility. Especially because in her leaving, and Caesar not having an answer for Crassus on the subject when it was discovered in the morning, and being responsible for Kore being there in the first place, makes her leaving to go behind enemy lines (like Caesar did) more unlikely because it puts Caesar in a dis-favorable position with Crassus and he's already in a bind since he got put beneath Tiberius. Why would Caesar willingly bring Kore to the encampment knowing that she'd kill some guards and join the rebellion? Unless there is more to the plot that has yet to be revealed to us, which the writers obviously love to do to their viewers. All I'm trying to say is I think there's a possibility Kore actually joined the rebellion to escape rape of Tiberius after she realized Crassus was going to keep her in the city regardless. Maybe Spartacus can have a 3some with Laeta and Kore now I'd be a happy man to die after such an occasion
Good episode. To bad the end ruined it. First they speak of how killing crassus would ensure their victory. Then he basically walks up to Spartacus with just a few men completely unprotected and they decide to throw some spears at randoms and not do anything else. Basically they just let him get away. Makes no sense to me.
On March 16 2013 19:31 DisneylandSC wrote: Good episode. To bad the end ruined it. First they speak of how killing crassus would ensure their victory. Then he basically walks up to Spartacus with just a few men completely unprotected and they decide to throw some spears at randoms and not do anything else. Basically they just let him get away. Makes no sense to me.
All the battles are symbolic i.e. battle of tens of thousands is narrowed down to just a dozen men.
So to translate what happens, Crassus advances up to the wall with about 300-500 auxiliary forces and the rebels engage him with some light skirmish using the protection of the wall.
On March 17 2013 02:47 alypse wrote: I wonder which gladiator will have sex with Kore in the next episode... My guess is Gannicus, since Spartacus seems to be already fixed with Laeta :D
On March 16 2013 15:23 slappy wrote: I thought a lot of water broke on this episode. + Show Spoiler +
Laeta and spartacus finally get cozy, gannicus and whats-her-name finally do it, Agron and the selician finally made up, spartacus and crixus finally got the bro-fight out of their system, kore began whatever plot she has conceived to rid herself of Tiberius, Tiberius finally got back in command, but nothing happened. Oh, and spartacus broke out of the contain... lol
EDIT 2: AND NAEVIA FINALLY FUCKING GOT STABBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the next episode preview clip looks pretty enticing. I won't spoil it for you guys in case you didn't watch it, but I'm curious what else will happen besides sex and fighting, like how the story will progress since there's only 3 more episodes. What do you guys think? One more "filler" episode of preparing for the finale and delving into Kore's plot, then 2 episodes of blood and guts?
it seemed like Kore's encounter with Crassus in the tent was her figuring out that he knew Tiberius was fucking her and that he was basically telling her that's her place (go listen to that whole conversation again, Crassus really sounds like he's saying he knows what happened (Tiberius raping Kore), which actually makes her killing the guards and joining the rebellion a likely possibility. Especially because in her leaving, and Caesar not having an answer for Crassus on the subject when it was discovered in the morning, and being responsible for Kore being there in the first place, makes her leaving to go behind enemy lines (like Caesar did) more unlikely because it puts Caesar in a dis-favorable position with Crassus and he's already in a bind since he got put beneath Tiberius. Why would Caesar willingly bring Kore to the encampment knowing that she'd kill some guards and join the rebellion? Unless there is more to the plot that has yet to be revealed to us, which the writers obviously love to do to their viewers. All I'm trying to say is I think there's a possibility Kore actually joined the rebellion to escape rape of Tiberius after she realized Crassus was going to keep her in the city regardless. Maybe Spartacus can have a 3some with Laeta and Kore now I'd be a happy man to die after such an occasion
There is no way Crassus knew that the boy raped her. It was clear that Tiberius didn't tell him and besides that how else would he have known?
On March 17 2013 03:32 Slardar wrote: WE SHALL HAVE ROMAN BLOOD UPON FUCKING SNOW!!!!!!!!
Crixus returns to beastly form, then attacks Spartacus. Plot thickens.......let's see what happens. Naevia is poisoning his mind .
I thought that line was hilarious haha. I was like, well done writers... well done.
Good episode as always. Best season.
Also I'm conflicted on what Kore's motivations are. On the one hand I can see her joining Spartacus because she is a slave and was treated like shit, so naturally she joins the slave rebellion. But on the other hand she had that big plan with Caesar, surely she had more in mind than just telling Crassus his son raped her. Like, they built it up to be a big plan to destroy the relationship between Crassus and son, and if she just goes on to join Spartacus' army then that means her her plan was... to convince Crassus his son is a bad boy? She even had the opportunity to do that earlier. She's up to no good, I tells ya!~
This episode wasn't bad but I'm a bit disappointed. I don't know whether team Spartacus is short on tough guys or screenwriters are poorly trying to make Naevia look badass. When Spartacus said he's going to take only the best warriors on his raid I thought he'll go with Crixus, Aggron, Gannicus and maybe a bunch of random barbarians. I don't think Naevia or Nasir have to participate in every possible skirmish, they're supposed to be weaker than experienced gladiators. Besides that, I love everything about the show and can't wait to see the next episode.
On March 18 2013 15:41 NationInArms wrote: So much grunting in that trailer lol.
My main issue with the show...
Nearly everytime a hero cuts some poor soldier in half he shouts his heart out.... again and again and again and again... HUAAAAAAHHHH, AHHHHH.... yeah, i get it.. your one badass angry mofo....
Why won't that bitch just tell Crassus, why fucking run... Like Crassus is a very reasonable man, he fucking loves her with all his heart (even if he doesn't understand/thinks less of her as a woman, even though he thinks very highly of slaves note the first episode)... Women can be so fucking dumb in TV shows.
On March 19 2013 05:02 IshinShishi wrote: with all the training naevia had she shouldn't even be able to kill a common roman soldier
Just like anything, roman soldiers can be uncommon (note a few episodes each season shows at least one or two Roman soldiers as good soldiers) and evenly matched. Don't forget, Roman soldiers are also very well trained even though the show always shows them being shit on lol
On March 18 2013 15:41 NationInArms wrote: So much grunting in that trailer lol.
My main issue with the show...
Nearly everytime a hero cuts some poor soldier in half he shouts his heart out.... again and again and again and again... HUAAAAAAHHHH, AHHHHH.... yeah, i get it.. your one badass angry mofo....
Yelling helps you use more force. If you're berserking you also go a little crazy. It's also a good way to intimidate people. In boot camp you're taught to scream as loud as you can. It's completely natural and realistic.
On March 19 2013 12:00 Hitch-22 wrote: Why won't that bitch just tell Crassus, why fucking run... Like Crassus is a very reasonable man, he fucking loves her with all his heart (even if he doesn't understand/thinks less of her as a woman, even though he thinks very highly of slaves note the first episode)... Women can be so fucking dumb in TV shows.
On March 19 2013 05:02 IshinShishi wrote: with all the training naevia had she shouldn't even be able to kill a common roman soldier
Just like anything, roman soldiers can be uncommon (note a few episodes each season shows at least one or two Roman soldiers as good soldiers) and evenly matched. Don't forget, Roman soldiers are also very well trained even though the show always shows them being shit on lol
I'm pretty sure she won't allow her problems as a slave, as what still amounts to a literal servant of crassus, to interfere in any way with his ultimate glory and proving ground to launch him towards power and favor with the roman senate, because she loves him that much. understandably, however, she's not willing to be tiberius's proxy orifice for who he really wants to fuck over - his father - and so she decides to run away to the rebels, possibly to advance a scheme that her and caesar cooked up. knowing spartacus as a TV show, it'll probably kill off tiberius but have unexpected effects on crassus's final march, forcing him to disavow all affection for her and be that much more miserable, or a sort of pyrrhic victory.
not saying it'd be my choice to just up and leave, but by bringing it to crassus she forces him to choose between his son, who he can't really afford to keep in dishonor, and his servant. I find it to be acceptable writing.
On March 18 2013 15:41 NationInArms wrote: So much grunting in that trailer lol.
My main issue with the show...
Nearly everytime a hero cuts some poor soldier in half he shouts his heart out.... again and again and again and again... HUAAAAAAHHHH, AHHHHH.... yeah, i get it.. your one badass angry mofo....
Don't forget theres at least 2-3 scenes of Spartacus or Crixus or Gannicus jumping into battle in slow mo in every episode.
What became of the beautiful, feminine, calm Naevia from the first seasons? Along with the change of the actress came a 180 degrees turn of personality. All that remains is an unreasonable barbaric bitch whose only purpose in life is to see Romans dead. I don't think anyone likes her. When she got stabbed in the leg, I hoped we'd seen the last of her for some time, but 10 minutes later, she joined the next elite operation against the great wall. Facepalm.
Crixus isn't much better. That savage consists only of blind obsession for Naevia and seething hatred towards Rome. It seems the only thought he is capable of is "we must launch a full frontal attack right now and anyone who disagrees needs a roughing up". At least he's a good fighter, so he's not useless.
On March 18 2013 15:41 NationInArms wrote: So much grunting in that trailer lol.
My main issue with the show...
Nearly everytime a hero cuts some poor soldier in half he shouts his heart out.... again and again and again and again... HUAAAAAAHHHH, AHHHHH.... yeah, i get it.. your one badass angry mofo....
On March 18 2013 15:41 NationInArms wrote: So much grunting in that trailer lol.
My main issue with the show...
Nearly everytime a hero cuts some poor soldier in half he shouts his heart out.... again and again and again and again... HUAAAAAAHHHH, AHHHHH.... yeah, i get it.. your one badass angry mofo....
I am really into this show! I've been watching it since the start and like the way they did it. It reminds me of how Deadwood used modern language and behaviors to "fit" today's audience better.
The best part about Spartacus for me is that there is a bit of truth to a lot of what happens on the show.
On March 16 2013 15:23 slappy wrote: I thought a lot of water broke on this episode. + Show Spoiler +
Laeta and spartacus finally get cozy, gannicus and whats-her-name finally do it, Agron and the selician finally made up, spartacus and crixus finally got the bro-fight out of their system, kore began whatever plot she has conceived to rid herself of Tiberius, Tiberius finally got back in command, but nothing happened. Oh, and spartacus broke out of the contain... lol
EDIT 2: AND NAEVIA FINALLY FUCKING GOT STABBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the next episode preview clip looks pretty enticing. I won't spoil it for you guys in case you didn't watch it, but I'm curious what else will happen besides sex and fighting, like how the story will progress since there's only 3 more episodes. What do you guys think? One more "filler" episode of preparing for the finale and delving into Kore's plot, then 2 episodes of blood and guts?
it seemed like Kore's encounter with Crassus in the tent was her figuring out that he knew Tiberius was fucking her and that he was basically telling her that's her place (go listen to that whole conversation again, Crassus really sounds like he's saying he knows what happened (Tiberius raping Kore), which actually makes her killing the guards and joining the rebellion a likely possibility. Especially because in her leaving, and Caesar not having an answer for Crassus on the subject when it was discovered in the morning, and being responsible for Kore being there in the first place, makes her leaving to go behind enemy lines (like Caesar did) more unlikely because it puts Caesar in a dis-favorable position with Crassus and he's already in a bind since he got put beneath Tiberius. Why would Caesar willingly bring Kore to the encampment knowing that she'd kill some guards and join the rebellion? Unless there is more to the plot that has yet to be revealed to us, which the writers obviously love to do to their viewers. All I'm trying to say is I think there's a possibility Kore actually joined the rebellion to escape rape of Tiberius after she realized Crassus was going to keep her in the city regardless. Maybe Spartacus can have a 3some with Laeta and Kore now I'd be a happy man to die after such an occasion
There is no way Crassus knew that the boy raped her. It was clear that Tiberius didn't tell him and besides that how else would he have known?
I thought slappy's idea was interesting so I rewatched a lot of the conversations between Kore and Crassus, and I find it very plausible he knows and even expected it. I would find it very in line with his character too.
When Tiberius is in the followers camp, but before rape + Show Spoiler +
Crassus: "I look into his eyes and no longer gaze upon the boy I knew" Kore: "I have witnessed cold distance in his stare. You should break words and draw him near where he belongs" Crassus: "Nothing do I crave more, yet he must find his own path or be forever lost" Kore: "Of course. It weighs heavy seeing one so loved cast adrift" Crassus: "I can offer him no light upon welcoming shore... Yet you may appear as bright as the North Star, constant in his guidance" Some more dialogue and then they have sex, scene ending with a tear dropping from Crassus onto Kore.
Upon rewatching this scene it is easy to interpret it as this is where he realizes/gets the idea. "Yet you may appear as bright as the North Star". The tear onto Kore symbolizes his realization and regret that he must sacrifice his relationship with her for the greater good of his son, echoed in the words "It weighs heavy seeing one so loved cast adrift"
The next scene with Kore is the rape scene, where she is in Tiberius tent to share the bottle of wine gifted from his father.
In the scene afterwards between Crassus and Kore, where Tiberius joins in + Show Spoiler +
Crassus tells her she is to leave the followers camp to live with him. Kore crying. Crassus: "There is no cause for tears on such a day" Kore: "They are of joy, to find myself delivered from the followers' camp" Crassus: "Delivered?" Quick distant look. Here it feels like he instantly knows what has happened, and when Tiberius joins there are many cues in facial expression and words hinting at this, such as "A man does what is required when fate calls upon him". Also Tiberius almost flat out tells his father what has happened given his wording and the state of Kore.
Given all this, I think slappy is right and the main reason to keep her in Sinuessa is to reward his son and keep him on his new track. Crassus also says to her "As long as the womans stands clear o heart's desire", which can be interpreted as "I don't care if he fucks you as long as you love me". This becomes apparent to her and that is why she decides to leave for the rebels.
A big bit of analyzing here, and maybe I'm reading too much into it but I must really give the actor playing Crassus, Simon Merrells, credit. He gives life to Crassus as a cold planning mind with small facial expressions telling the story of deeper thoughts behind everything told to him.
I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!
On March 22 2013 01:05 furlyman wrote: I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!
On March 22 2013 01:05 furlyman wrote: I had never seen this show before reading this thread, but I have to say I am really enjoying starting from episode 300. Interested to see what happens with Spartacus and Crassus!
you started at season 3? T_T
BROTHER, seeing erroneus words fallen from mouth saddens my heart and my will.
You shall not disrespect the HONOR of Spartacus BROTHER!
watch 2 > 1 > 3 > 4. You'll get a better hold of the story that way .
"2" is a stand alone mini series, isn't it? Anyhow, watching it spoilers season 1, or rather, the first and last 10 minutes of Gods of the Arena show the ending of season 1.
odds that naevia is still alive next episode? I don't see any realistic reason for crassus to let her live; while I respect the way they did that final scene, it was a little odd for that possibility to be left open.
tiberius basically needs to be crucified for karma to come back around on all the action he got tonight. busy guy.
On March 23 2013 12:07 TheExile19 wrote: odds that naevia is still alive next episode? I don't see any realistic reason for crassus to let her live; while I respect the way they did that final scene, it was a little odd for that possibility to be left open.
tiberius basically needs to be crucified for karma to come back around on all the action he got tonight. busy guy.
Looked like she was still alive in the previews for next ep. Showed her riding into the camp.
Okay this episode was weird as hell... seemed like it moved insanely fast. First thing they're partying and agreeing to split ways amicably, next thing you know Crixus is at Rome's doorstep, kills a legion, and then Crassus shows up and Crixus dies? Naevia prob going to be executed Ad Gladium.
Rape scene was super uncomfortable, imagine what the two henchmen were thinking during that.
On March 23 2013 12:49 Arkless wrote: OMG CEASER GOT RAPED BY TASTELESS
update: Oh shit, he kills crixus too
and agron, I'm pretty sure? it's insane how much of a psycho killer tiberius is this episode...crixus/agron/caesar's butt, all conquered.
I'm not too thrilled to hear that I apparently missed naevia being in next episode, buuuuuuut it just occurred to me that she'll probably get set free by caesar to reflect poorly on tiberius or something in that vein.
Fuck my life. Worst episode humanly imaginable. Crixus dies, and Naevia lives? What cruel twist is that! Also the writing staff have a hardon for Tiberius apparently? What the fuck this kid, this entire episode would have been a million times better if Caesar and Tiberius' positions were reversed. Bah......just dammit. If Crixus picked up the sword and shanked Tiberius, that would've been glorious.
On March 23 2013 14:47 Slardar wrote: Fuck my life. Worst episode humanly imaginable. Crixus dies, and Naevia lives? What cruel twist is that! Also the writing staff have a hardon for Tiberius apparently? What the fuck this kid, this entire episode would have been a million times better if Caesar and Tiberius' positions were reversed. Bah......just dammit. If Crixus picked up the sword and shanked Tiberius, that would've been glorious.
I was lovin Tiberius before this episode. Now he just seems like a stupid dick with no motivation other than to antagonize everyone around him.
But objectively this episode was not good, this was more of a "Spartacus: Vengeance" quality ep. Oh well, can't win em all.
yeah that's not objective at all and all of tiberius's conflicts have been built up in every episode this season. no motivation, besides a dead friend, an asshole father, and a guy who's trying to take your job by blackmailing you while snickering at your tiny dick.
I really don't think any of the problems in this episode center around tiberius and I thought it was pretty good bordering on great if they'd had the time to flesh out crixus's campaign to rome a little more.
On March 23 2013 15:36 TheExile19 wrote: yeah that's not objective at all and all of tiberius's conflicts have been built up in every episode this season. no motivation, besides a dead friend, an asshole father, and a guy who's trying to take your job by blackmailing you while snickering at your tiny dick.
I really don't think any of the problems in this episode center around tiberius and I thought it was pretty good bordering on great if they'd had the time to flesh out crixus's campaign to rome a little more.
Yeah... but he raped a dude and then did what he suggested anyway like wtf was that all about?
On March 23 2013 15:36 TheExile19 wrote: yeah that's not objective at all and all of tiberius's conflicts have been built up in every episode this season. no motivation, besides a dead friend, an asshole father, and a guy who's trying to take your job by blackmailing you while snickering at your tiny dick.
I really don't think any of the problems in this episode center around tiberius and I thought it was pretty good bordering on great if they'd had the time to flesh out crixus's campaign to rome a little more.
Yeah... but he raped a dude and then did what he suggested anyway like wtf was that all about?
tiberius didn't do that, the entire argument was about how they're trying to convince crassus to do something and crassus quite clearly has never given less fucks than he did during this episode as he picked a senator's teeth out of his knuckles. I do agree that they went really, really light on establishing both crixus and crassus being at the gates of rome within this one episode, but there seemed to be too many subplots to wrap up with agron/nasir/castus and spartacus/crixus to really cram the logistics in.
I mean, maybe they could have cut the rape, but...nah.
On March 23 2013 15:48 TheExile19 wrote: tiberius didn't do that, the entire argument was about how they're trying to convince crassus to do something and crassus quite clearly has never given less fucks than he did during this episode as he picked a senator's teeth out of his knuckles
hm... yeah you're totally right I didn't think about this. Crassus prob already had his mind made up regardless.
TBH, to many slow fight scenes to draw the time... They shouldn't over use the slow so much, I love it but it's to much.
Crixus dying? Worst part of series but I knew it was coming, same with Agron (looks like they chose the more history oriented version lol) I feel like if Spartacus was there, if they STAYED to fucking gether, they'd be victorious... They should have, frustrating.
To the people wondering how / if Naevia will live, I think Crassus makes it clear when he forces her to witness Crixus' beheading and says something along the lines of letting her live in order for her to tell Spartacus of the fate of Crixus and what is to come to him (Spartacus)
Lol, what the hell is up with everyone getting ass raped and back stabbed by this snotty little kid. In two episodes they destroy Crassus by making him a whiny dude instead of a strategic mastermind, they destroy Caesar since he cant even take on a kid with his two pet guards. They destroy Crixus since he does nothing but destroy CG fodder, he does not even wound any of the roman leads. Don't even get me started on Agron who never even believed they would be victorious. Oh no, I don't think I will be a farmer, I prefer to be dead instead! And then the hairy dude that is his fuck buddy, who is like, yeah you go I have my eyes on this new dude anyway, have fun dying Agron!
I originally supported inserting Caesar into the story despite the history. It served as a fun nod to the fact that the series is at heart a piece of fan fiction. But you don't just rape one of the greatest men in history to square your plot.
On March 23 2013 22:34 Gaius Baltar wrote: I originally supported inserting Caesar into the story despite the history. It served as a fun nod to the fact that the series is at heart a piece of fan fiction. But you don't just rape one of the greatest men in history to square your plot.
Lol yeah that's how I felt too. It's fucking Caesar man. Ass-raped by barely more than a teenager, really...
On March 23 2013 22:34 Gaius Baltar wrote: I originally supported inserting Caesar into the story despite the history. It served as a fun nod to the fact that the series is at heart a piece of fan fiction. But you don't just rape one of the greatest men in history to square your plot.
Exactly. That scene was out of place. And later asking him why he is not on a horse? Fuck me please. I missed the Caesar of Ciaran Hinds. Couldn't get used to this young Caesar portray with cute ass blondie stuff...
Tiberius needs to get his cock under control. Can't he fuck whores like a normal Roman? Why would he force himself upon his father's lover and assrape Julius motherfucking Caesar?
On March 23 2013 22:34 Gaius Baltar wrote: I originally supported inserting Caesar into the story despite the history. It served as a fun nod to the fact that the series is at heart a piece of fan fiction. But you don't just rape one of the greatest men in history to square your plot.
Are you guys sure, Agron died there? I mean, they normally have very visual death scenes (Crixus, Brictus, Arius). I am under the impression, that he will pull a Donar somehow.
On March 23 2013 23:47 Xoronius wrote: Are you guys sure, Agron died there? I mean, they normally have very visual death scenes (Crixus, Brictus, Arius). I am under the impression, that he will pull a Donar somehow.
Yeah he's basically dead. Even if he is alive, no way he'll make it out alive back to the Spartacus encampment. Naevia might as "an example"....but please no.
On March 24 2013 00:08 Xoronius wrote: Sure. I am just mentioning the possibility, that he stands up and kills someone important before finally getting killed.
I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
1 guy says something you don't like and 90% of everyone here becomes some sort of idiots? Using head you say, nice talent toi have.
Wow, that gay-rape scene caught me off-guard, lol But Anna Hutchison, damn that woman is so hot, i forgive everything for this show just because they have her in it. Most shows' sex-idol characters dont really appeal for me, but she certainly does.
I didn't like the last episode, the Crixus fate should have been more drawn out, his campaign without Spartacus described more in detail and how he was doing. I was quite disappointed at how he died. I also didn't like the ass raping part, because it just seemed so played and unreal, I mean how can you instantly be prepared to f*** someones b** ? I think it also damaged the thing the built up for Cesar, being raped by a spoiled boy ...
The only funny if dumb scene was the scenne where Cesar was walking and the question was asked "why issnt he riding" after being, you know what. That humor was so bad, it could be considered good but I am not quite sure on where to put it.
Guess I'll have to settle with Vikings in the meantime.
On the bright side, I think Game of Thrones starts before then.
Interesting promo... so I'm guessing the gist of the next episode is that Caesar brokers a deal to get Tiberius killed and he and his 2 guards are executed by having to fight Spartacus in an "arena". Then episode 10 probably concludes with Crassus destroying Spartacus' forces and the iconic "I am Spartacus" scene.
On March 24 2013 00:08 Xoronius wrote: Sure. I am just mentioning the possibility, that he stands up and kills someone important before finally getting killed.
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
By surprise? Man? This is the hero of the Romans who has dedicated his life to warfare. He knew the boy and his goons are in there and there was already hostility in the air. Yes, then I find it unbelievable he is taken by surprise or that he walks around unarmed. And even unarmed he should have no trouble dealing with them. This whole episode was on a new low level of crap. Everything about it was just poorly done
^ You seem to forget the first guard into the tent beat Caesar over the head with a flaming torch; Instant disorientation. That & then being over-powered by 2 equally burly blokes, it's hardly surprising. The rape felt out of place but it's one way to A) Piss Caesar off further giving him further motivation for next episode & B) 'Show' his authority over Caesar, albeit in a rather unconventional manner in terms of discipline.
Crixus deserved a 10 minute death scene to be honest, it was really really anti-climactic since we all knew it was coming but it was fucking stupidly short.
On March 24 2013 00:08 Xoronius wrote: Sure. I am just mentioning the possibility, that he stands up and kills someone important before finally getting killed.
That's exactly the reason why he's the only one left to kill. Crassus, Caesar, and Tiberius are the only remaining "Villains". Since Caesar and Crassus don't die until much later on, only Tiberius, the evil kid who never existed in history is left to die.
ok sorry, this series is a lot of bullshit but im out now. I was literally laughing out loud when the mighty julius caesar got raped by a little boy. WTF
I know how the story ends historically. I dont need to watch anymore of this. ..
I have to say this "mighty julius caesar" perception is kind of ridiculous. I don't know if there's an overlap between the people who would want to see spartacus live and the people who thought that particular rape, in a show chock-full of rape, just breaks the entire narrative in half but I assume there's at least some. more to the point, why is caesar - a man who within this show isn't shown to be a great warrior, and just as concerned with his own power and masculinity as all the roman men before him - immune to that same abuse? if it's because tiberius is a "little boy" (he's just short), just how many more adult, if fucked-up things does he have to do this season before he gets certified for caesar's butt?
the entire show is about showing the abuse of power by the powerful and the moral blindspots that creates in the setting of ancient rome. write me down as not getting the complaints here - the fact that he then got to kill two of the best gladiators is far more jarring for me from a narrative standpoint, because that accords him a power he's never been shown to possess.
Agreed. Just because you are a god on the battlefield doesn't mean you can see into the future and predict getting sucker punched. He got sucker punched by the stone wine container and probably got fucked up and then have 2 big goons hold you down isn't at all unreasonable. I'd rather question how Tiberius can get a hard on in a matter of seconds.. I guess he is crazy like that lol
Seriously it's a tv show it's for entertainment, everything doesn't have to be spot on just chillax and watch the awesomeness. This recent episode was sick good!
On March 24 2013 00:08 Xoronius wrote: Sure. I am just mentioning the possibility, that he stands up and kills someone important before finally getting killed.
That's exactly the reason why he's the only one left to kill. Crassus, Caesar, and Tiberius are the only remaining "Villains". Since Caesar and Crassus don't die until much later on, only Tiberius, the evil kid who never existed in history is left to die.
On March 24 2013 00:08 Xoronius wrote: Sure. I am just mentioning the possibility, that he stands up and kills someone important before finally getting killed.
That's exactly the reason why he's the only one left to kill. Crassus, Caesar, and Tiberius are the only remaining "Villains". Since Caesar and Crassus don't die until much later on, only Tiberius, the evil kid who never existed in history is left to die.
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
By surprise? Man? This is the hero of the Romans who has dedicated his life to warfare. He knew the boy and his goons are in there and there was already hostility in the air. Yes, then I find it unbelievable he is taken by surprise or that he walks around unarmed. And even unarmed he should have no trouble dealing with them. This whole episode was on a new low level of crap. Everything about it was just poorly done
In terms of bullshit this has been the only thing that wasn't actually bullshit.
Really... How believable is it that some of the characters somehow manage to best 10-20 trained roman soldiers on their own... We know the historic figures that survived the battles/avoided confrontation. Also I find it pretty BS that the leadership of the rebelion is so centralized when in fact it was probably far more segregated.
The show is as ridicolous as it gets it's the character development that is good.
I watched the preview for the next episode and it looks like Agron is the one that gets crucified. I mean, I have a feeling he isn't really dead since all we saw was him falling but no huge wound.
Yea, I agree with Naevia delivering Crixus' head might happen.
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
By surprise? Man? This is the hero of the Romans who has dedicated his life to warfare. He knew the boy and his goons are in there and there was already hostility in the air. Yes, then I find it unbelievable he is taken by surprise or that he walks around unarmed. And even unarmed he should have no trouble dealing with them. This whole episode was on a new low level of crap. Everything about it was just poorly done
In terms of bullshit this has been the only thing that wasn't actually bullshit.
Really... How believable is it that some of the characters somehow manage to best 10-20 trained roman soldiers on their own... We know the historic figures that survived the battles/avoided confrontation. Also I find it pretty BS that the leadership of the rebelion is so centralized when in fact it was probably far more segregated.
The show is as ridicolous as it gets it's the character development that is good.
On March 23 2013 22:28 Domus wrote: Lol, what the hell is up with everyone getting ass raped and back stabbed by this snotty little kid. In two episodes they destroy Crassus by making him a whiny dude instead of a strategic mastermind, they destroy Caesar since he cant even take on a kid with his two pet guards. They destroy Crixus since he does nothing but destroy CG fodder, he does not even wound any of the roman leads. Don't even get me started on Agron who never even believed they would be victorious. Oh no, I don't think I will be a farmer, I prefer to be dead instead! And then the hairy dude that is his fuck buddy, who is like, yeah you go I have my eyes on this new dude anyway, have fun dying Agron!
Agron is still alive for the final battle. Watch the season preview clip and Agron is s till there. I think Caesar exchanges Agron and some other prisoners for Tiberius life
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
By surprise? Man? This is the hero of the Romans who has dedicated his life to warfare. He knew the boy and his goons are in there and there was already hostility in the air. Yes, then I find it unbelievable he is taken by surprise or that he walks around unarmed. And even unarmed he should have no trouble dealing with them. This whole episode was on a new low level of crap. Everything about it was just poorly done
In terms of bullshit this has been the only thing that wasn't actually bullshit.
Really... How believable is it that some of the characters somehow manage to best 10-20 trained roman soldiers on their own... We know the historic figures that survived the battles/avoided confrontation. Also I find it pretty BS that the leadership of the rebelion is so centralized when in fact it was probably far more segregated.
The show is as ridicolous as it gets it's the character development that is good.
This episode redeemed the season for me really. I'm not sure how the man rape can make people so uncomfortable that seem so fine with all the other rape going on in this show since the start? For one they were in camp, nobody goes around in camp with weapons drawn. Two he was outnumbered 3 to 1, two of the three were trained roman soldiers and one of them sucker punched him. Completely believable. Equally as disturbing as the other rape scenes, but completely believable.
Really sad about Crixus, but we all knew it was coming so yeah. Even though the middle of this season was pretty meh, I'm sad that the series is coming to an end. I almost don't want to watch the rest of the season. Not because I think it's bad, but because we've come some far with these characters. Such a good show even though it had it's stupid moments.
On March 24 2013 06:59 MVega wrote: This episode redeemed the season for me really. I'm not sure how the man rape can make people so uncomfortable that seem so fine with all the other rape going on in this show since the start? For one they were in camp, nobody goes around in camp with weapons drawn. Two he was outnumbered 3 to 1, two of the three were trained roman soldiers and one of them sucker punched him. Completely believable. Equally as disturbing as the other rape scenes, but completely believable.
Really sad about Crixus, but we all knew it was coming so yeah. Even though the middle of this season was pretty meh, I'm sad that the series is coming to an end. I almost don't want to watch the rest of the season. Not because I think it's bad, but because we've come some far with these characters. Such a good show even though it had it's stupid moments.
They mire a God in piss and shit perpetrated by the hands of a mere toddler? Not even Jupiter himself could convince me of such events transpiring.
Man. I dunno... this episode was awesome and bad at the same time. I think the worst of it was how badly they rushed Crixus' march on Rome. Like, Crixus playing with fire and seeing a little fireball roll and having the idea and stuff was something that might have been cool with more time and build up but it was just tacked on and when the actual fireballs rolled I laughed.
Crixus: Haha, I will beat Rome by rolling 6 giant boulders of fire down a 20 foot hill! They will fall to the might of Crixus! RAAAUUUUURGH! Well I guess they did beat Rome's legion but everyone knew Crassus was coming. Feel like they should have spent way more time on Crixus. Ah well, RIP Crixus you were a whiny, thick headed caveman most of Season 3 but you were still pretty cool.
Tiberius' death is going to be oh so satisfying... that guy really turned into the Joffrey of Rome.
On March 24 2013 06:59 MVega wrote: This episode redeemed the season for me really. I'm not sure how the man rape can make people so uncomfortable that seem so fine with all the other rape going on in this show since the start? For one they were in camp, nobody goes around in camp with weapons drawn. Two he was outnumbered 3 to 1, two of the three were trained roman soldiers and one of them sucker punched him. Completely believable. Equally as disturbing as the other rape scenes, but completely believable.
Really sad about Crixus, but we all knew it was coming so yeah. Even though the middle of this season was pretty meh, I'm sad that the series is coming to an end. I almost don't want to watch the rest of the season. Not because I think it's bad, but because we've come some far with these characters. Such a good show even though it had it's stupid moments.
They mire a God in piss and shit perpetrated by the hands of a mere toddler? Not even Jupiter himself could convince me of such events transpiring.
Not only that, but the mere toddler is a fabricated character! Caesar was raped by fiction! Crixus was back stabbed by fiction! Agron was ride-by'd by fiction!
With the direction of Tiberius I don't think they are even trying to make him into Marcus, the actual son of Crassus. I read they might of named him Tiberius as to not confuse the viewer's. At this point he just seems like a complete fictional character.
On March 24 2013 06:59 MVega wrote: This episode redeemed the season for me really. I'm not sure how the man rape can make people so uncomfortable that seem so fine with all the other rape going on in this show since the start? For one they were in camp, nobody goes around in camp with weapons drawn. Two he was outnumbered 3 to 1, two of the three were trained roman soldiers and one of them sucker punched him. Completely believable. Equally as disturbing as the other rape scenes, but completely believable.
Really sad about Crixus, but we all knew it was coming so yeah. Even though the middle of this season was pretty meh, I'm sad that the series is coming to an end. I almost don't want to watch the rest of the season. Not because I think it's bad, but because we've come some far with these characters. Such a good show even though it had it's stupid moments.
They mire a God in piss and shit perpetrated by the hands of a mere toddler? Not even Jupiter himself could convince me of such events transpiring.
Not only that, but the mere toddler is a fabricated character! Caesar was raped by fiction! Crixus was back stabbed by fiction! Agron was ride-by'd by fiction!
DAFUQ YO?!
At least I'm answering a question about why the general attitude in this thread is angry/unbelieving of what happened to Caesar. What are you doing? + Show Spoiler +
For all we know, Tiberius was real and did rape Caesar. Ceasar, later, purged him out of history :3
For what it's worth I think the actor of Tiberius is doing a great job. The directors aren't afraid of doing all these grisly and disturbing shots, the rape scenes included. Obviously it's dramatized, but it's not being tamed either, which in the end makes the show better and more memorable.
On March 24 2013 04:28 xXFireandIceXx wrote: Imagine if Starz just made a new show with Caesar
ohhh my god that would be awesome, esp if guys like Gannicus ended up making appearances.
With the way they're setting up the conflicts between Caesar and the Crassus, I find that very plausible. It's not like they finish off Spartacus while Tiberius gets taken care of and everyone is like, "OK, good job everyone, let's go home!" The power struggle between Caesar, Pompey and Crassus has a lot of potential as well.
In this thread and beyond, everyone seems to assume Spartacus will die. In the records, they never actually find his body, so they might very well cop out with him, Agron and Gannicus riding towards the sunset.
On March 24 2013 10:27 Ballack wrote: In this thread and beyond, everyone seems to assume Spartacus will die. In the records, they never actually find his body, so they might very well cop out with him, Agron and Gannicus riding towards the sunset.
Spartacus will probably die, but to save many of his people. Some kind of heroic shit like that. It will be manly, it will be sad, and it will be glorious.
On March 24 2013 10:27 Ballack wrote: In this thread and beyond, everyone seems to assume Spartacus will die. In the records, they never actually find his body, so they might very well cop out with him, Agron and Gannicus riding towards the sunset.
No way... Spartacus is not going to die. Everyone else will probably die and it'll be tragic but Spartacus and his Roman girlfriend will marry and he'll be like "even doe u r a roman, I luv u... all humans r da same."
On March 24 2013 10:27 Ballack wrote: In this thread and beyond, everyone seems to assume Spartacus will die. In the records, they never actually find his body, so they might very well cop out with him, Agron and Gannicus riding towards the sunset.
While its true they never found his body its also true...
That there was a last battle. The slaves that didn't die where captured and crucified. I cant see Spartacus running away to die an old man on a farm.... then again I didn't see Cesar getting raped lol.
On March 24 2013 10:08 Appendix wrote: The only thing I was confused about this episode is how Tiberius seems to walk around with a constant hard-on, always ready.
On March 24 2013 04:28 xXFireandIceXx wrote: Imagine if Starz just made a new show with Caesar
ohhh my god that would be awesome, esp if guys like Gannicus ended up making appearances.
With the way they're setting up the conflicts between Caesar and the Crassus, I find that very plausible. It's not like they finish off Spartacus while Tiberius gets taken care of and everyone is like, "OK, good job everyone, let's go home!" The power struggle between Caesar, Pompey and Crassus has a lot of potential as well.
Yeah but Crassus' rival was pompey. Caesar benefitted immensely from Crassus' support.
Either way the writers probably can't do Caesar justice.
On March 24 2013 10:08 Appendix wrote: The only thing I was confused about this episode is how Tiberius seems to walk around with a constant hard-on, always ready.
LOL, this I didn't understand at all either haha. "Well, yeah, you can get Caesar butt-naked, good for you, but it can't get your... nevermind you're ready!"
Did you guys really need to see Tiberius working up his boner? Plus it wouldn't be too hard to believe that he's gay, seeing as how friendly he was with his buddy pal and how much his death hurt him. Plus he's kind of an sadistic, rapey bastard.
Caesar's clothes provoked Tiberius to rape him, he just couldn't resist when he saw him with that red knee-high skirt, and that armour with those beautiful abs.
On March 24 2013 07:47 Chrispy wrote: Man. I dunno... this episode was awesome and bad at the same time. I think the worst of it was how badly they rushed Crixus' march on Rome. Like, Crixus playing with fire and seeing a little fireball roll and having the idea and stuff was something that might have been cool with more time and build up but it was just tacked on and when the actual fireballs rolled I laughed.
Crixus: Haha, I will beat Rome by rolling 6 giant boulders of fire down a 20 foot hill! They will fall to the might of Crixus! RAAAUUUUURGH! Well I guess they did beat Rome's legion but everyone knew Crassus was coming. Feel like they should have spent way more time on Crixus. Ah well, RIP Crixus you were a whiny, thick headed caveman most of Season 3 but you were still pretty cool.
Tiberius' death is going to be oh so satisfying... that guy really turned into the Joffrey of Rome.
On March 24 2013 00:32 DwarfTherapist wrote: I have to say that 90% of you seem to watch these things with the sound muted, or maybe you are alt tabbing to jot down reasons you hate life? or something.. I can't get it.
People speaking of Tiberius having no motivations for what he is doing, or that the season is "bad" because Crixus dies? It's like half of you can't tell the difference between entertainment and life.
"oh no it's impossible for a man to be ...taken... by surprise by 2 men whilst he is unarmed" come on, use your heads.
imo it was a bad episode because they crammed in way too much stuff in way too little time. basically 6 months passed in the last 15 mins of the show... its not what happened that made this episode less than others but how they chose to work it out.
I'm not too sure where the whole 'War of the Raped' concept came from as in 8 episodes we've had 2 rapes. 2. I can see why people are a bit put out / wtfing over it but come on... If people want some supposed 'perfect' Roman drama, go back to HBO's Rome where politics is the key factor.
The season hasn't been perfect by any means, I agree the ending seemed rush but we only have 2 episodes to go and it seems they want to focus on Spartacus and Caesar next episode with the finale kind of needing to fill in all the holes, which, well, are pretty obvious from the history.
I just pray we don't have to put up with Naivia for more than 5 minutes, her attitude change from her re-appearance in Vengeance to now just pisses me off. I can get why, but my god woman grow a brain and stop thinking about all that Roman blood you need to seemingly wet your thighs and how everything Crixus does/wants to do is the perfect action.
Season 2 Ashur raped Battiatus' wife. Naevia got raped repeatedly. Laeta was damn near raped by dirty pirates. Spartacus' wife got raped by the Romans (off screen.) That one big dark skinned guy's boyfriend got raped by that other guy once he died in S1 (then he hung himself).
Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more. This show has always been super Rapey.
This episode was really great. I agree that a lot of things were oversimplified or just naive but I liked it. I wouldn't even mind if War of the Damned was the last season. It's sad to see good shows going downhill because screenwriters run out of ideas and I don't want Spartacus to share such fate. Right now we have almost perfect set up for good ending.
Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Tiberius becomes the hero slayer. The fact that such a deceptive bastard like him kills two of the best rebels is a nice change. Usually we are forced to watch immortal white knights winning every time. Notice that he defeated both Agron and Crixus from behind. Maybe it's his favorite strategy...
Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
Tiberius [...] from behind. Maybe it's his favorite strategy...
I see what you did there.
Gotta agree with almost everything you said though. Imho its a very good time to end the show. What happens if the episodes get too strechted out was seen in S1 during the last few episodes before the season finals, where things got kinda drawn out...
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
On March 24 2013 20:40 pred470r wrote: Caesar's clothes provoked Tiberius to rape him, he just couldn't resist when he saw him with that red knee-high skirt, and that armour with those beautiful abs.
On March 26 2013 06:28 GunPaladin wrote: Very sad ending for Crixus, I really liked how they played it though. That last gasp from Naivia as she saw his head fly was amazing.
would have been much more amazing to see naevia's head fly through the air, followed by crixus switching to beserk mode.
I still don't know what to make of this episode lol. Definitely not disappointed like some of you here. There were a lot of really 'teary eye' moments. Crixus + naevia being all romantic in a "slay romans" sort of way. Crixus + Spartacus / Crixus + Gannicus bromance, Spartacus + Agron / Agron + Nasir bromance. So much bromance.
I think they should have drawn out Crixus' campaign onto the next episode... I donno. We all knew what was coming, but like someone said earlier in the thread, there was like 6 months of time that passed in this episode. Well, I guess at the end of a series like this - events transpiring > drawn out storyline.
Back to speculation mode - I'm still sticking to my guns about Kore. She doesn't strike me as the cunniving type of woman and didn't deserve to be raped. I think her and Sparty deserve each other <3 Laeta is hot but I donno about her yet
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
You took one word, ass hole. Now try again and leave that out. He is still a power hungry, immoral, slaver, raper, pedo, mass genocidal maniac. Great leader huh?
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
You took one word, ass hole. Now try again and leave that out. He is still a power hungry, immoral, slaver, raper, pedo, mass genocidal maniac. Great leader huh?
You don't get to conquer Gaul and part of Britain, and then become the supreme leader of Rome, without a thirst of power, willingness to bend the rules, etc. And where did you get the genocidal maniac from? It's not like he decimated all the Gauls. Please don't even get me started with the US spending billions of dollars a year hiring private military contractors, whose mercenaries do some really messed up stuff. It's not black and white.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
You took one word, ass hole. Now try again and leave that out. He is still a power hungry, immoral, slaver, raper, pedo, mass genocidal maniac. Great leader huh?
You don't get to conquer Gaul and part of Britain, and then become the supreme leader of Rome, without a thirst of power, willingness to bend the rules, etc. And where did you get the genocidal maniac from? It's not like he decimated all the Gauls. Please don't even get me started with the US spending billions of dollars a year hiring private military contractors, whose mercenaries do some really messed up stuff. It's not black and white.
I'm not American, so don't bother. Plus, anything you have to say I've probably already seen/heard. If he had the cash, he woulda finished off the Gauls. GG, no re.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
You took one word, ass hole. Now try again and leave that out. He is still a power hungry, immoral, slaver, raper, pedo, mass genocidal maniac. Great leader huh?
You don't get to conquer Gaul and part of Britain, and then become the supreme leader of Rome, without a thirst of power, willingness to bend the rules, etc. And where did you get the genocidal maniac from? It's not like he decimated all the Gauls. Please don't even get me started with the US spending billions of dollars a year hiring private military contractors, whose mercenaries do some really messed up stuff. It's not black and white.
I'm not American, so don't bother. Plus, anything you have to say I've probably already seen/heard. If he had the cash, he woulda finished off the Gauls. GG, no re.
Doesn't matter if you're American or not. Fact is not everything is clear cut. It's always a gray area when it comes to conquest and expansion. For crying out loud, Caesar had more than enough money to finish off the Gauls. He was about to set out on a campaign against the Parthians before the Ides of March so it's not like he was broke.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
Being an asshole does not exclude the possibility of one being great nor of one being a leader, or even both!! Try as you might all I have to say to all this caesar slandering (and butt-raping) is : No. Thank god we at least got Laeta's perfection in this episode to purge those horrible, horrible images.
You took one word, ass hole. Now try again and leave that out. He is still a power hungry, immoral, slaver, raper, pedo, mass genocidal maniac. Great leader huh?
Caesar remains one of the greatest military leaders, non of that slander will change that.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
omg where did u take history classes... just because u pick hitler to make a comparison doesnt make it a good argument per definition lol. what ceasar did was not immoral by most if any standards of his time. and unless you want to get into a hardcore philosophical debate about ethics and incommensurability i think that closes the case.
Ceasar was a great military leader and a cunning politician, whether he couldve effectively governed the empire we will never know because he was killed. just because people did bad things in war, or even horrible "immoral" things (in peace) does not make them less of a great (military) leader. it may make them a bad person, it may make them a bad example, but not a bad leader. by that standard there would have been barely any great leaders.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Meiya, the pacification of Spain, the Germanic expansion, the pacification of the transalpine region, the addition of Pannonia and the annexation of much of the near east, notably Egypt, under Augustus makes him the emperor to add the single largest amount to the empire. Admittedly he had a much longer active career than Caesar and Agrippa did most of the leg work but still, in amount of land Caesar comes second. You specified the republic but while 33 BC makes a convenient date for the end of the republic there are numerous others you can use because the Augustan revolution did not bring a revolutionary new constitution and the declaration of empire. I would argue that it is difficult to make the case for Caesar's Rome being republican while at the same time discounting the early Augustan period, it wasn't until many decades later than the consilium principis became a governing executive and supplanted the senate.
Augustus never conquered any of that himself, he had subordinate generals such as Agrippa and Tiberius do it for him, as you said. Augustus wasn't really what I would call a conqueror in the sense that he actually commanded armies in the field, he was more of an administrator. I also meant to emphasise that it was the largest addition of land in one fell swoop, that is to say a single campaign/series of campaigns in the same geographical area. And finally I'm not sure I would define the pacification of land already owned by Rome already to be "adding land" in the sense that Gaul was an area over which Rome previously had very little influence. So basically I'm just defining things differently, I should have been more clear what I meant. Gaul was an incredible feat on Caesar's part nonetheless.
As for what is the Republic and what is the Empire, I'm not sure where the line is myself, I have seen it drawn as early as the formation of the second triumvirate in 43. I would probably argue that Caesar's Rome was the transition period from Republic to Principate, as from the time of Gaius Marius and Sulla Rome had been under the control of military strongmen rather than the Senate body, and the assassination of Caesar was the failed attempt of the optimates faction of the Senate to regain control of the state. If I had to pick I'd still define it as the Republic though, even if the Senate's influence was greatly reduced during this time.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
As to your point 2; What the other guy tried to explain is that great battle plans wouldnt be sufficient if you wouldnt be a great leader, ofcourse you can debate on how you define leadership but he was one of the most beloved generals AND politicians. Leadership has many aspects to it but you seem to focus on the lack of some kind of socialist perspective. I am really tempted to going into debate on why comparing a society as such with modern socialist ideology is more then stupid to do but i suppose that will not contribute much.
As to slavery for example, slavery has existed for ever, in every period (except maybe prehistoric) and every civilization it existed even long after the abolition of slave trade and slavery. You talk about "Doing good".... and there we go its inevitable to discuss in some degree perspectives on society and life. Doing good in 90% of human history had nothing to do with building up social systems or abolish slavery. To most extent this also goes for 'genocide' etc. So there really is no point in argueing he should have changed something. He did by the way made sure that after his death every roman in Rome would get a huge sum of money. And for example he was very tolerant to Jews, which was rather unusual.
As to point 3 once again; when ages of society teach you from the day you are born to be ambitious and power hungry because that is what you are judged on you cannot blame such a person. Just as little childs (in Cambodja if im right) were indoctrinated for a long period of time after which they were told to kill their parents.
Hitler can really nott be compared, hitlers genocide was part of ideology, and was meant to exterminate a race. Caesars genocide can be viewed more as a necessity, kill or be killed and never meant as genocide before it happened.
At the end, the discussion isn't about facts but it is about how you think a modern day view which doesn't even apply to many modern day countries can be used and applied on very different societies to make a point or judge something. Ofcourse i do agree that considering my socialist ideas and perspectives history of men is full with immoral unjustice and disgusting events, but the thing is TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, which is not a modern day perspective.
On April 04 2013 00:46 KwarK wrote: Meiya, the pacification of Spain, the Germanic expansion, the pacification of the transalpine region, the addition of Pannonia and the annexation of much of the near east, notably Egypt, under Augustus makes him the emperor to add the single largest amount to the empire. Admittedly he had a much longer active career than Caesar and Agrippa did most of the leg work but still, in amount of land Caesar comes second. You specified the republic but while 33 BC makes a convenient date for the end of the republic there are numerous others you can use because the Augustan revolution did not bring a revolutionary new constitution and the declaration of empire. I would argue that it is difficult to make the case for Caesar's Rome being republican while at the same time discounting the early Augustan period, it wasn't until many decades later than the consilium principis became a governing executive and supplanted the senate.
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Roman empire divided into 3 regions controlled by 3 different leaders but still forming 1 roman empire? August just fought for absolute power, Egypt and spain etc were still controlled by romans and by the roman empire but they divided the areas into 3 governed parts. So that would mean he barely conquered anything.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
Bah if you're going to keep comparing Caesar to Hitler, claim he could have fixed poverty in Rome, force the morals of the modern world on one living in the ancient world and keep misspelling his name I can see there's no point in us continuing to discuss this. I'll come to Canada and we can argue about this in a pub and end up strangling each other sometime. But at least you can see how point form makes things easy.
On April 04 2013 00:46 KwarK wrote: Meiya, the pacification of Spain, the Germanic expansion, the pacification of the transalpine region, the addition of Pannonia and the annexation of much of the near east, notably Egypt, under Augustus makes him the emperor to add the single largest amount to the empire. Admittedly he had a much longer active career than Caesar and Agrippa did most of the leg work but still, in amount of land Caesar comes second. You specified the republic but while 33 BC makes a convenient date for the end of the republic there are numerous others you can use because the Augustan revolution did not bring a revolutionary new constitution and the declaration of empire. I would argue that it is difficult to make the case for Caesar's Rome being republican while at the same time discounting the early Augustan period, it wasn't until many decades later than the consilium principis became a governing executive and supplanted the senate.
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Roman empire divided into 3 regions controlled by 3 different leaders but still forming 1 roman empire? August just fought for absolute power, Egypt and spain etc were still controlled by romans and by the roman empire but they divided the areas into 3 governed parts. So that would mean he barely conquered anything.
The second triumvirate was formed in 43 BC (first triumvirate was quite a bit earlier with Crassus, Caesar and Pompey) to fill the power vacuum left by the death of Caesar as his adopted son Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Octavian) and foremost general Marcus Antonius (Mark Antony) fought over who was Caesar's rightful heir. Antony and Octavian were the main players in the second triumvirate, and a Marcus Aemelius Lepidus was there as a straw man. Theoretically Rome was split between the three, but Lepidus was rapidly sidelined and forced into effective exile while Antony took control of the rich East and Octavian remained in Rome with the financially troubled Western provinces. As we know they eventually came to blows culminating in the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, after which Antony and his mistress Cleopatra killed themselves and Octavian became undisputed ruler of the Roman world and before long was known as Augustus. Augustus was the sole ruler of the Roman empire as the princeps, or first man, from this time until his death in 14 AD. While this period formed part of what we call the pax romana, or Roman peace, Augustus via his talented generals such as Agrippa and Tiberius fought several major wars against rebellious provinces and governors and barbarian incursions. This included extensive fighting to solidify Roman holdings along the Rhine, especially Dalmatia and Pannonia, and he also solidified Roman control over Egypt as well as putting down various uprisings in Spain and Gaul.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
Bah if you're going to keep comparing Caesar to Hitler, claim he could have fixed poverty in Rome, force the morals of the modern world on one living in the ancient world and keep misspelling his name I can see there's no point in us continuing to discuss this. I'll come to Canada and we can argue about this in a pub and end up strangling each other sometime. But at least you can see how point form makes things easy.
On April 04 2013 00:46 KwarK wrote: Meiya, the pacification of Spain, the Germanic expansion, the pacification of the transalpine region, the addition of Pannonia and the annexation of much of the near east, notably Egypt, under Augustus makes him the emperor to add the single largest amount to the empire. Admittedly he had a much longer active career than Caesar and Agrippa did most of the leg work but still, in amount of land Caesar comes second. You specified the republic but while 33 BC makes a convenient date for the end of the republic there are numerous others you can use because the Augustan revolution did not bring a revolutionary new constitution and the declaration of empire. I would argue that it is difficult to make the case for Caesar's Rome being republican while at the same time discounting the early Augustan period, it wasn't until many decades later than the consilium principis became a governing executive and supplanted the senate.
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Roman empire divided into 3 regions controlled by 3 different leaders but still forming 1 roman empire? August just fought for absolute power, Egypt and spain etc were still controlled by romans and by the roman empire but they divided the areas into 3 governed parts. So that would mean he barely conquered anything.
The second triumvirate was formed in 43 BC (first triumvirate was quite a bit earlier with Crassus, Caesar and Pompey) to fill the power vacuum left by the death of Caesar as his adopted son Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Octavian) and foremost general Marcus Antonius (Mark Antony) fought over who was Caesar's rightful heir. Antony and Octavian were the main players in the second triumvirate, and a Marcus Aemelius Lepidus was there as a straw man. Theoretically Rome was split between the three, but Lepidus was rapidly sidelined and forced into effective exile while Antony took control of the rich East and Octavian remained in Rome with the financially troubled Western provinces. As we know they eventually came to blows culminating in the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, after which Antony and his mistress Cleopatra killed themselves and Octavian became undisputed ruler of the Roman world and before long was known as Augustus. Augustus was the sole ruler of the Roman empire as the princeps, or first man, from this time until his death in 14 AD. While this period formed part of what we call the pax romana, or Roman peace, Augustus via his talented generals such as Agrippa and Tiberius fought several major wars against rebellious provinces and governors and barbarian incursions. This included extensive fighting to solidify Roman holdings along the Rhine, especially Dalmatia and Pannonia, and he also solidified Roman control over Egypt as well as putting down various uprisings in Spain and Gaul.
They did not die at the same time though. After the war had been lost and no hope was left Cleopatra had Antony told that she had killed herself, Antony killed himself and Cleopatra lived for another year or so and eventually killed herself as well.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
you really need to define what you think it means to be a great leader because sofar all you are saying is he was immoral ergo he could not have been a great leader and then fault him for not having a notion of 21st century (or possibly christian) ethics. that is cheating imo. being a great leader does not mean being a saint, neither does it mean you cannot have commited any "crimes" against those who were not of the group of your followers.
a leader leads people towards a common goal, sometimes he units people to accept the same goal, sometimes the goal is set and he shows the way. sometimes there is no goal but what the leader wants and what makes him a leader is that he compells men to follow. Ceasar was a leader in that sense, he was harsh and unforgiving towards his enemies (though 80% of the gauls exterminated i find incredible, please give a credible source?) but he worked tireless to provide the best for those who followed him, and not just the ones closest to him, but also the plain soldier and worker in the field. you forget perhaps that at that time there was no such thing as a global village, communism hadnt surfaced yet and not half the world shared pretty much the same ethical system derived from the word of the books. a bad leader fails in the endeavour he has set, and in that regard hitler was a bad leader, he set his people on a path that lead only to destruction. Ceasar on the other hand did no such thing, perhaps he might have if he was allowed to rule, but really nothing indicates in that direction.
i really think you have a weird perception of what it means to be a leader, not just in our day and age but in the past as well.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
Bah if you're going to keep comparing Caesar to Hitler, claim he could have fixed poverty in Rome, force the morals of the modern world on one living in the ancient world and keep misspelling his name I can see there's no point in us continuing to discuss this. I'll come to Canada and we can argue about this in a pub and end up strangling each other sometime. But at least you can see how point form makes things easy.
On April 05 2013 09:56 Carving wrote:
On April 04 2013 00:46 KwarK wrote: Meiya, the pacification of Spain, the Germanic expansion, the pacification of the transalpine region, the addition of Pannonia and the annexation of much of the near east, notably Egypt, under Augustus makes him the emperor to add the single largest amount to the empire. Admittedly he had a much longer active career than Caesar and Agrippa did most of the leg work but still, in amount of land Caesar comes second. You specified the republic but while 33 BC makes a convenient date for the end of the republic there are numerous others you can use because the Augustan revolution did not bring a revolutionary new constitution and the declaration of empire. I would argue that it is difficult to make the case for Caesar's Rome being republican while at the same time discounting the early Augustan period, it wasn't until many decades later than the consilium principis became a governing executive and supplanted the senate.
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Roman empire divided into 3 regions controlled by 3 different leaders but still forming 1 roman empire? August just fought for absolute power, Egypt and spain etc were still controlled by romans and by the roman empire but they divided the areas into 3 governed parts. So that would mean he barely conquered anything.
The second triumvirate was formed in 43 BC (first triumvirate was quite a bit earlier with Crassus, Caesar and Pompey) to fill the power vacuum left by the death of Caesar as his adopted son Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Octavian) and foremost general Marcus Antonius (Mark Antony) fought over who was Caesar's rightful heir. Antony and Octavian were the main players in the second triumvirate, and a Marcus Aemelius Lepidus was there as a straw man. Theoretically Rome was split between the three, but Lepidus was rapidly sidelined and forced into effective exile while Antony took control of the rich East and Octavian remained in Rome with the financially troubled Western provinces. As we know they eventually came to blows culminating in the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, after which Antony and his mistress Cleopatra killed themselves and Octavian became undisputed ruler of the Roman world and before long was known as Augustus. Augustus was the sole ruler of the Roman empire as the princeps, or first man, from this time until his death in 14 AD. While this period formed part of what we call the pax romana, or Roman peace, Augustus via his talented generals such as Agrippa and Tiberius fought several major wars against rebellious provinces and governors and barbarian incursions. This included extensive fighting to solidify Roman holdings along the Rhine, especially Dalmatia and Pannonia, and he also solidified Roman control over Egypt as well as putting down various uprisings in Spain and Gaul.
They did not die at the same time though. After the war had been lost and no hope was left Cleopatra had Antony told that she had killed herself, Antony killed himself and Cleopatra lived for another year or so and eventually killed herself as well.
I do hope they make more shows with the Antiquity settings. I LOVE Roman history. While it is not 100% accurate, it is still great to watch some of the historical events.
As for the show, It is sad that it is reaching its end. I wonder what they will do with Spartacus (kill him? Or he runs away and live happily? I just can't see the latter happening :O)
It is also funny how Crixus melted that single legion and then got melted after by Crassus ^^ They should have developped more of the Crassus wanting to chase Spartacus vs helping Rome dilemma
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
Bah if you're going to keep comparing Caesar to Hitler, claim he could have fixed poverty in Rome, force the morals of the modern world on one living in the ancient world and keep misspelling his name I can see there's no point in us continuing to discuss this. I'll come to Canada and we can argue about this in a pub and end up strangling each other sometime. But at least you can see how point form makes things easy.
Nice try, but man. You are fucking thick. First things first, not only would I compare some of his traits to Hitler. But MANY REAL historians do as well. Points such as, how he was trying to make the master race (Aryan/roman) and wanted total control of the world, thought he was divine, and had a divine purpose, both also overthrew their current government and established their own dictatorship, both crossed the Rubicon ( One figuratively, and one literally) both loved using propaganda, ETC. And on top of all of that, Caeser being Hitlers idol.......... I mean fuck, did you even try and look? I mean sure, you could say Hitler was just a copy cat. But the similarities are there, regardless if you want to believe it or not.0 fucks are given to spelling errors, you know what I mean so don't try and throw that in as some sort of plausible argument. Once again, your reply was littered with spelling errors so get off your high horse. Time, once again. Is a moot point.
PS: Don't worry about the drink, stay in Australia.
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Good guy Spartacus frees thousands of slaves and finds a new love (very hot one too). A lot of people wanted good ending. This is the only reasonable option.
Lol. Or you could read history! :D
On March 25 2013 03:47 Sent. wrote: Caesar doesn't win everything. The whole rape thing was very surprising but I like the idea. It was very unpredictable but at least it wasn't stupid. Tiberius found a way to defeat him and it suits the "dirty" Roman style (I mean how they're showing Roman in the show, not history).
No, just no. One of the greatest leaders in european history being raped by an emo boy. Not cool.
You are ignorant in thinking they are going to follow history. If they were actually going to follow history to a tee, Crixus, and Gannicus would have died by now, which would mean Crixus never made it even close to the gates of rome. But even if they are, historically spartacus' body was never found. So he may never have been defeated in battle, and did in fact live happily ever after.
As far as all you ceaser lovers here are concerned. Being a conquerer doesnt make you a great leader by any stretch of the means. And Ceaser, was NOT a great leader. So stop all this glorifying of the real life Ceaser, because infact he was nothing more than a power hungry, immoral ass hole.
Great leaders don't allow their people to live in slavery and poverty, to be raped an killed at their masters will. Great leaders also don't commit genocide to the umpth degree either. Ceaser was an ass hole, through and through. And was really no different then Hitler in the scheme of things.
You condemn Caesar and you can't spell even spell his name?
There are so many ways you are just bad at history that I don't know where to begin. I'm just going to put this in point form for you because I don't really think you know enough about Ancient Rome to really understand me if I were to put forward a detailed argument as to why you are talking garbage about one of the most influential men of ancient history.
1. His name is spelled Caesar.
2. Caesar was a great conqueror, as you say. This is unarguable considering how utterly thoroughly he smashed the Gauls and added the largest single section of land to the Roman Republic ever in its history, a feat that was never again equaled (though military feats of equal importance did occur a number of times, such as Marius defeating the Germanic migrations in 102-101) and then went on to beat perhaps Rome's next best general, Pompey, with a smaller force in a pitched battle (Pharsalus). To be such a successful military leader, you must (surprise!) be an incredible leader. He was also a very astute politican, or he would never have ascended so far along the cursus honorum to govern Gaul in the first place. It was however common in Ancient Rome for men who held military commands for long periods of their lives to make less patient politicians, and combined with the Republic's rabid hatred for the concept of kingship or rule by one man, which Caesar's dictatorship looked suspiciously like, this explains his assassination by short sighted and ultimately doomed elements of Rome's most malignant political force, the optimates.
3. Yes he was power hungry, in Rome and especially for Senators you weren't a man if you weren't ambitious.
4. He was not immoral at all by the standards of his day, other than his penchant for sleeping with many women (which is normal for Roman men and was used by Caesar as a political weapon to ward off rumours about homosexuality made by a jealous superior early in his career), and in fact lived a life of self control and was no hedonist. Don't force your own morals onto people who lived in a different world.
5. Now you're talking about slavery and poverty? Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, the entire world's economy ran on slaves and to remove slavery from your nation would destroy it completely. Slaves were used by all great nations in the ancient world and even as recently as America who emancipated their slaves in 1863 the nineteenth century, so don't pretend slavery was a moral wrong that anybody was in a position to fix: nobody in the ancient world ever cared about destroying the system of slavery because it was assumed to be necessary: even Spartacus himself is not written as having had any concern with destroying slavery, despite all the good intentions modern idealists foist upon him. As for poverty, blaming Caesar for poverty is so utterly stupid I'm not going to address it, I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself.
6. Great leaders don't commit genocide? Caesar never intended to destroy the Gauls, hence he never committed genocide. He certainly killed massive amounts of them when necessary, but Rome was an imperialist state and if he hadn't done it somebody else would have. For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this? Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop.
That's all I really have to say to you: I'm sure you'll reply, and I will read your reply, but it seems quite clear to me that you have nothing to say that is worth hearing on the subject of Caesar or Ancient Rome.
EDIT: And I hope to god that Caesar stabs Tiberius right in the face.
Here is your reply, in conjuction with your point form.
1. 0 fucks given, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about spelling. Especially considering your reply is littered with spelling errors.
2. No point in this one either, because I in fact already said he was a great conqueror. But, on the second half. Being a great general, and having a mind for strategy does NOT require you to be a great leader what so ever. Formulating battle plans has nothing to do with your moral being.
3. Once again, you agreed with me. A douchey trait, regardless of what era it is.
4. None of your points here are really what I was referring to. If you're willing to crucify someone for simply speaking out against you. Then you are, in fact IMMORAL.
5. This is where we part ways majorly. But for starters, I love how you try and turn it into a personal attack. " I'll just suggest you look into a mirror and take a good hard long look at yourself." Lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit. I never said it was HIS FAULT for poverty (no shit sherlock) BUT when you obtain a position to make real change for the good (which he easily could have) and don't (which he did) then well..... doing nothing is the same as doing the deed yourself. Thanks for the black history month lesson though...........sigh...........
6. Killing 80% of a race, is considered genocide. Sry breh. "If he didn't do it, someone else would" - Fucking cop out joke of a statement. "For the love of god, every empire in human history has done the same thing, and you pick on Caesar for this?" Well........ we are talking about caeser......... Would be kind of weird to just start a rant about Genghis Khan in the spartacus thread...... "Comparing the method, intent or goals of Caesar to that of Hitler is beyond stupid and something I would expect only from a person of your understanding of this subject. It's completely anachronistic and you need to just stop." Thanks again for trying to make this personal again... lol I don't need to stop having an opinion, just because you got all butthurt that I don't think your glorious idol was all that hot. And has alot of common themes with Hitler, and most if not all of the worlds dictators. The time and age is a moot point, in that you are only concentrating on what sets them apart, and not the similarities.
Hate on.
But on the flip side, I also hope tiberius gets shanked in the face by caeser.
you really need to define what you think it means to be a great leader because sofar all you are saying is he was immoral ergo he could not have been a great leader and then fault him for not having a notion of 21st century (or possibly christian) ethics. that is cheating imo. being a great leader does not mean being a saint, neither does it mean you cannot have commited any "crimes" against those who were not of the group of your followers.
a leader leads people towards a common goal, sometimes he units people to accept the same goal, sometimes the goal is set and he shows the way. sometimes there is no goal but what the leader wants and what makes him a leader is that he compells men to follow. Ceasar was a leader in that sense, he was harsh and unforgiving towards his enemies (though 80% of the gauls exterminated i find incredible, please give a credible source?) but he worked tireless to provide the best for those who followed him, and not just the ones closest to him, but also the plain soldier and worker in the field. you forget perhaps that at that time there was no such thing as a global village, communism hadnt surfaced yet and not half the world shared pretty much the same ethical system derived from the word of the books. a bad leader fails in the endeavour he has set, and in that regard hitler was a bad leader, he set his people on a path that lead only to destruction. Ceasar on the other hand did no such thing, perhaps he might have if he was allowed to rule, but really nothing indicates in that direction.
i really think you have a weird perception of what it means to be a leader, not just in our day and age but in the past as well.
Yes, it is not really fair to expect hard, tough men like Caesar who lived in a hard, tough world to adopt relatively modern systems of morality when they did not even exist. As for the comment on "80% of Gauls", it's an exaggeration. If he had killed 80% of them (which would destroy the province's productivity completely) I find it hard to believe they could have been rebelling again during the Julio-Claudian dynasty, which they were. The majority of his killing was done in the field against extremely large forces of Gauls, so there would have been families to survive most of the male warriors Caesar's armies killed. Naturally, to field forces of tens and hundreds of thousands of warriors as the Gauls supposedly did would require at least a population of several million. I would also point out that Caesar probably exaggerates the size of enemy armies in his writings to make it all sound more impressive, so the figure some historians (not sure who this just seems to be what google says) have come up with of a million slain is likely constructed on exaggerated numbers.
I actually see where Arkless was coming from in that Caesar went into a foreign country, killed their warriors and enslaved huge amounts of them, but this was the Roman way. Of course, killing all those people wasn't the *right* thing to do, but it was the Roman thing to do, and nobody got to any position of prominence in the ancient world (or the modern) without treading others into the dirt, and the Romans got to where they were because they were exceptionally talented at this. This is unfortunately the reality of the Ancient world, and to say Caesar is immoral for doing these things (he is undoubtedly capable of great brutality, though he did attempt to disarm and spare Gauls on several occasions and the more stubborn they were, the nastier he got) is to say all great Romans were immoral. By today's standards that may be the case, but it's not exactly a helpful exercise to just say everybody in Rome was evil (as if that establishes something) because I doubt any of them complained about the dead Gauls and influx of slaves.
Arguing about ancient history and involving ad-hominem attacks is lol
Tonight's episode was pretty great. The part where they force the romans to engage in gladiatorial combat was pure fan-service that dragged on way longer than it needed to, and yet I loved every moment of it. The writers have clearly been in love with Naevia. I still hate Kore, I'm glad things don't ultimately turn out well for her. Can't wait until the finale, I'm sure we'll all be shedding some man tears.
Best episode of the season! Absolutely loved it! I even shed some manly tears at the funeral in the end. Let's hope the series finale can be even better than today's episode!
On April 06 2013 15:33 pred470r wrote: Best episode of the season! Absolutely loved it! I even shed some manly tears at the funeral in the end. Let's hope the series finale can be even better than today's episode!
I loved the shoutouts to the Season 1 and 2 characters. Varo's death is still the most haunting of the show. Man didn't deserve to go down like that.
On April 06 2013 15:38 Vindicare605 wrote: I loved the shoutouts to the Season 1 and 2 characters. Varo's death is still the most haunting of the show. Man didn't deserve to go down like that.
Man...I just rewatched the scene where Varo dies,I remember crying when that happened.I miss the old Spartacus, his emotions were so much better expressed.His role was just perfectly fit for him...I feel like the new Spartacus feel so fake in everything he does,even after 2 seasons..The episode was decent, atleast better than most of this season.
EDIT: Btw, Anyone noticed how stupid Crixus writing/acting was by the end? He was always yelling like an idiot,repeating the same shit over and over making him look like a fool. They just changed him too much from season 1, I was almost annoyed(infact I was annoyed) by him at the end..I seriously wanted him to die.
Okay, I have this burning question: Does anyone know who shouted FOR BARCA at the funeral? Person could not be seen and I have no clue who that might be. Must be someone from the house of batiatus, but barely any screen time, since there are not many left from season1.
I didn't like the arena fights, it was supposed to make you feel some season 1 nostalgia but it just felt so meaningless. Also way too many shots of the crowd screaming in slow motion what the fuck.
Crixus funeral was good but I wish they had introduced Pompey instead of 20 minutes of fan service fights...
On April 06 2013 23:37 Spaiku wrote: I didn't like the arena fights, it was supposed to make you feel some season 1 nostalgia but it just felt so meaningless. Also way too many shots of the crowd screaming in slow motion what the fuck.
Crixus funeral was good but I wish they had introduced Pompey instead of 20 minutes of fan service fights...
I don't think we'll see Pompey in the last episode.
On April 06 2013 23:46 Meiya wrote: I'm just glad Caesar got to make it clear that man to man, he is the alpha male between himself and Tiberius before the latter got dead.
that won't unrape him.
i love btw how so many people are trying to defend caesars 'moral'. i would've loved to seen your fanboy faces when he got raped :D
Naevia needs to go, simple as. I seriously thought Tiberius was gonna go the way of Ashur (which is where my hatred for Naevia began, much as I can understand why she did it/convinced Crixus) and if that had happened, well, I doubt I'd have liked the episode as much as I did.
Still, maybe it's just me but I thought Crassus' would have caught on fairly early given how nervous the guy portraying one of Pompey's men was - something that surely seems out of place for a soldier serving under Pompey? Eh, small details I guess. Any spelling mistakes are my own fault so yeah.
Great episode.. I was almost holding my breath at the silent moment when Marcus approached Kore. Really thought he was would turn to something disgusting.
Another great episode,cant believe there is only 1 more ): this season was so fantastic! God Cesear is my fav character in this show, holy crap love the character
On April 06 2013 23:37 Spaiku wrote: I didn't like the arena fights, it was supposed to make you feel some season 1 nostalgia but it just felt so meaningless. Also way too many shots of the crowd screaming in slow motion what the fuck.
Crixus funeral was good but I wish they had introduced Pompey instead of 20 minutes of fan service fights...
On April 06 2013 23:46 Meiya wrote: I'm just glad Caesar got to make it clear that man to man, he is the alpha male between himself and Tiberius before the latter got dead.
that won't unrape him.
i love btw how so many people are trying to defend caesars 'moral'. i would've loved to seen your fanboy faces when he got raped :D
Caesar in reality and as depicted in this show are so dissimilar as to be completely different people, and we were talking about the former.
As for Gaius Julius Caesar Rapedicus; if it doesn't destroy him, and it has done no such thing (he charged straight into the next battle to engage Crixus 1v1, jesus christ), getting raped is just one more thing to toughen him up. What scares him now? Not much, if that last episode is any indicator.
Pretty sick episode. I almost was about to ragequit when Naevia let Tiberius live. Honestly, it would be too much to ask for that character to redeem herself in the eyes of the fans. She has to wussy out in avenging Crixus.......really?
Spartacus did say "Let the one who was most wronged by him, make the decision." Kore did, so technically that came to fruition. Except that Kore is just a minor character, so who gives a shit about her plight, I much rather have Naevia who has been on board since Season 1 to have had a redeeming quality. Find another way for Caesar to find Kore and then take her instead of how it played out.
Whatever......Caesar was going to end Tiberius on the ride back anyway if Kore hadn't done that. Just the seeming CHANCE of Tiberius living was irking me. Rant over, an overall excellent episode.
On April 07 2013 16:20 Slardar wrote: Pretty sick episode. I almost was about to ragequit when Naevia let Tiberius live. Honestly, it would be too much to ask for that character to redeem herself in the eyes of the fans. She has to wussy out in avenging Crixus.......really?
Spartacus did say "Let the one who was most wronged by him, make the decision." Kore did, so technically that came to fruition. Except that Kore is just a minor character, so who gives a shit about her plight, I much rather have Naevia who has been on board since Season 1 to have had a redeeming quality. Find another way for Caesar to find Kore and then take her instead of how it played out.
Whatever......Caesar was going to end Tiberius on the ride back anyway if Kore hadn't done that. Just the seeming CHANCE of Tiberius living was irking me. Rant over, an overall excellent episode.
I cringed seeing the scene where Crasus son walked to the ambush tent. (So Pompy had a camp of 50 people with 2 tents ? He had over a legion(5.5k legionaires alone excluding auxiliari and other non combat) with him and they had a freaking fort full of people , how could someone march willingly to a 50 man/2 tents camp and except to find Pompy ) Not to mention that elite roman legionaires (the escort) ware killed in the arena by escaped slaves (not trained gladiators) . From historical records it self evident that Gladiators were superior combatants but a roman legionair was not a weakling (actually they trained allot and ware very very good with a sword)
I don't know about "Pretty sick episode". I kina had it with the lack of realism and commercial flowering . Feels like it s a freaking soap opera at this point.Spartacus worked great in the arena/slave setting , outside that all the flaws of the show are evident.
On April 07 2013 16:20 Slardar wrote: Pretty sick episode. I almost was about to ragequit when Naevia let Tiberius live. Honestly, it would be too much to ask for that character to redeem herself in the eyes of the fans. She has to wussy out in avenging Crixus.......really?
Spartacus did say "Let the one who was most wronged by him, make the decision." Kore did, so technically that came to fruition. Except that Kore is just a minor character, so who gives a shit about her plight, I much rather have Naevia who has been on board since Season 1 to have had a redeeming quality. Find another way for Caesar to find Kore and then take her instead of how it played out.
Whatever......Caesar was going to end Tiberius on the ride back anyway if Kore hadn't done that. Just the seeming CHANCE of Tiberius living was irking me. Rant over, an overall excellent episode.
I cringed seeing the scene where Crasus son walked to the ambush tent. (So Pompy had a camp of 50 people with 2 tents ? He had over a legion(5.5k legionaires alone excluding auxiliari and other non combat) with him and they had a freaking fort full of people , how could someone march willingly to a 50 man/2 tents camp and except to find Pompy ) Not to mention that elite roman legionaires (the escort) ware killed in the arena by escaped slaves (not trained gladiators) . From historical records it self evident that Gladiators were superior combatants but a roman legionair was not a weakling (actually they trained allot and ware very very good with a sword)
I don't know about "Pretty sick episode". I kina had it with the lack of realism and commercial flowering . Feels like it s a freaking soap opera at this point.Spartacus worked great in the arena/slave setting , outside that all the flaws of the show are evident.
I'm pretty sure that he said that he wanted only to meet with him if they each had 20 men at a neutral location between the camps.
Oh wait, those were Spartacus' men setting up the trap. I need more sleep T__T
On April 07 2013 17:05 hpty603 wrote: God I hate Naevia. She reminds me of Catelyn Stark for some reason, though it might only be because I hate them so passionately
catelyn is an annoying character, also in the books, but the one who plays her in the show is not a bad actor. naevia is annoying because all the actor does is pull weird faces all the time with some weird grunts and snorts... as if she is sick in the stomach 24/7
On April 07 2013 17:05 hpty603 wrote: God I hate Naevia. She reminds me of Catelyn Stark for some reason, though it might only be because I hate them so passionately
catelyn is an annoying character, also in the books, but the one who plays her in the show is not a bad actor. naevia is annoying because all the actor does is pull weird faces all the time with some weird grunts and snorts... as if she is sick in the stomach 24/7
I've just finished watching episode 9. That was glorious. Basically at this point, I don't care about the plot and stuff. Heart moves only toward greater purpose of roman blood, manly shouting, and Gannicus badassery.
why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
On April 10 2013 11:15 rei wrote: why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
It's just lacking articles and some pronouns. I guess it's supposed to resemble Latin. I love it. Even the lowliest slave sounds like they're talking in poems.
On April 10 2013 11:15 rei wrote: why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
On April 10 2013 11:15 rei wrote: why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
Translating Latin to English tends to result in basically that style.
Really excited to see what they have in store for us tonight I was watching an interview with the cast and they were all hyping up the finale so I can't wait
On April 10 2013 11:15 rei wrote: why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
That isn't broken english. Broken english is grammatically incorrect. How the show uses english is grammatically correct. It is metaphorical. Instead of saying the gods are fucking us, it describes the act. It is probably trying to be accurate in simulating how they spoke back then. And the fact you don't even know the difference between proper speech of a language that is probably your only, considering you are factually incorrect.
Would anyone know a good place to watch the last episode live online somewhere? seems to be hard to find a working stream but have never looked for it before, so hoped maybe you guys know the way.
That finale was the single most beautiful and painful thing I've ever experienced from my couch. Also a perfect set up for Crassus/Ceasar spin off with Pompey as the main antagonist.
yeah, the entire finale is about thinking, "now they're going to pull a tarantino...dude all these characters died, but oh well, we're still going to tarantino town...there's nobody left, they're gonna let it happen..."
really great television, I wish this show ended up with more acclaim at the end of its run.
The crassus/spartacus fight was amazing. When he grabs the sword by the blade I couldn't help but think "OH SHIT". Great ending, I wish Gannicus went down slaying Romans left and right rather than taken on his knees.
A great series comes to an end. Man I wish there would be just 1 more episode of showing the Romans and them heading back to the Roman empire. I NEED MORE OF A CLOSURE PLEASE!!! man what a way to end the series.
On April 10 2013 11:15 rei wrote: why do they all talk in broken english? they are not yoda or anything, why say stuffs like "finally the gods have remove cock from ass", or "blood on my knife or shit on my cock"
"Remove cock from mouth and speak" is probably my favourite
Amazing season finale as usual, this show always peaks really well.
Was awesome how they paid tribute to the guy who was originally Spartacus at the end of the credits.
That whole episode was just so well done. How Spartacus and Crassus battled alone on that hill and how neither him nor Caesar could kill Spartacus or Gannichus on their own, yet with the might of Rome on their side...
On April 13 2013 14:56 FlawlessFeeL wrote: This season wouldve been so much better with the original Spartacus...Oh well, RIP Spartacus. You were a good tv show.
On April 13 2013 14:56 FlawlessFeeL wrote: This season wouldve been so much better with the original Spartacus...Oh well, RIP Spartacus. You were a good tv show.
He makes an appearance at the end of the credits.
Oh god you're right. Can't believe I closed the video just before that. It actually made me remember how bad I miss him.
Absolutely amazing finale. Liam charging up the hill after Crassus gave me chills, holy shit did he ever look bad ass. Also reminded me sooo much of Andy when he was covered in all dat blood. He did such an amazing job filling Andy's very large boots.
This show turned from a guilty pleasure into one of my favorite tv series all time.
Great finale! Nice battles. And loved the touch of keeping with historical accounts, Spartacus was presumed dead on the field of battle yet his body was never found. So he dies but is buried somewhere else. Great ending for Gannicus as well, this was a drama after all. And those shots of all characters who appeared in the series at the end, while credits are rolling, were an awesome idea. RIP Andy!
On April 13 2013 16:18 Chrispy wrote: Absolutely amazing finale. Liam charging up the hill after Crassus gave me chills, holy shit did he ever look bad ass. Also reminded me sooo much of Andy when he was covered in all dat blood.
Episode started out slow, but ended up being fantastic. So many great scenes Spartacus catching the sword with his bare hands, Ceasar 's smirk when he realizes how vulnerable Navia is, seeing the way Crassus dealt with Kore and of course the credits at the end. Its been like 10 years since television stirred some emotions in me, and they managed to do it. Sparatcus has always been a good show, but their finales are some of the best TV that I ve seen.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I shed mantears again. Fuck. I was speechless during the credits and just waiting if they would show Andy in the end, even thinking if his family would allow it, if they would be asked for permission, etc etc.
Anyways, in honor of Andy and my getting-in-shape-for-summer program, here's a nice workout routine:
On April 08 2013 00:13 Sent. wrote: My dislike for Kore grows with each episode. I hope Krassus will find out what really happened. I'm curious to see how he would react.
So sad, on par with breaking bad and has great emotional strength. This show is in my one of the best list already. In case of realism it's hard for me to put anything to the throne of The Wire but as an emotional and action drama series this is way too good of a production. Love it.
Just watched the finale late at night. I don't know how I'll ever sleep, so many emotions right now. Watching the credits just brought everything back: batiatus, his wife, the legatus and blondie, varo dying after party favors, and then andy screaming "I am Spartacus."
On April 13 2013 19:43 Aelfric wrote: So sad, on par with breaking bad and has great emotional strength. This show is in my one of the best list already. In case of realism it's hard for me to put anything to the throne of The Wire but as an emotional and action drama series this is way too good of a production. Love it.
I wouldn't put this show anywhere near The Wire or even Breaking Bad. It was definitely good (and one of the best action dramas of this generation) but the show was a mess at times
They did end the series spectacularly though. That was one of the better series finales in recent memory with an awesome final battle.
Brilliant finish to possibly the most entertaining TV series ever. Watching the season 1 pilot three years ago I would've never guessed that I'd be holding back tears watching this show, but the ending/credits did it.
I'm a real "no-fun" sort when I see Roman military tactics butchered on television and in cinema, but the series went out with a bang and everything ended about as well as could be expected.
On April 13 2013 18:13 Talack wrote: Really saddens me this show didn't gather more acclaim, the production alone for the ending episode was on par with game of thrones best episodes.
I have watched the whole series so dont take me as a hater but am I the only one that thought the ending just felt rushed? Like they were going along as if it was a standard episode then in the last 20 minutes they were like "oh wait this is the last one better hurry up and kill everyone!". Oh and Ceaser spin off inc.
Sad to see it end. Loved the finale and I think Im gonna miss this show. Lots of things could've been done better blabla but it was really good tbh. I guess time will tell if they do a spinoff.. The concept of mass combat and lots of sex seemed to have worked
On April 13 2013 18:13 Talack wrote: Really saddens me this show didn't gather more acclaim, the production alone for the ending episode was on par with game of thrones best episodes.
This is simply not anywhere close to true.
If you say so but you're going to actually come up with something to back that up instead. I would put the season finale up against blackwater assault episode (second to last episode of season 2).
On April 13 2013 18:13 Talack wrote: Really saddens me this show didn't gather more acclaim, the production alone for the ending episode was on par with game of thrones best episodes.
This is simply not anywhere close to true.
If you say so but you're going to actually come up with something to back that up instead. I would put the season finale up against blackwater assault episode (second to last episode of season 2).
If you want to say you found it more entertaining that's one thing and that is much a matter of opinion which you are entitled to, but you said production. Game of Thrones reportedly costs over $60 mil a season (for 9-10 ep seasons?). The pilot alone was estimated to have been close to $10 mil, while what I could find on Spartacus was around 1.5-3 mil an episode?
Game of Thrones is on par with most Hollywood budget movies as far as production value goes, and it's aim is realism. Spartacus is a bunch of mediocre CGI with unrealistic battle scenes in slow motion. As far as production quality goes there really is no comparison whatsoever, but if you want to compare the shows overall merits and how much you liked it, by all means choose Spartacus, I just think comparing almost any show on TV right now to Game of Thrones (Outside of a select few; Walking Dead for example) in terms of production quality is not going to get you far.
On April 13 2013 18:13 Talack wrote: Really saddens me this show didn't gather more acclaim, the production alone for the ending episode was on par with game of thrones best episodes.
This is simply not anywhere close to true.
If you say so but you're going to actually come up with something to back that up instead. I would put the season finale up against blackwater assault episode (second to last episode of season 2).
Let's be honest, the effects themselves are pretty shoddy. This is a great show and I love it but come on, the production value is mediocre at best.
Great ending, Pompey being a dickbutt out of nowhere.
On April 13 2013 18:13 Talack wrote: Really saddens me this show didn't gather more acclaim, the production alone for the ending episode was on par with game of thrones best episodes.
This is simply not anywhere close to true.
If you say so but you're going to actually come up with something to back that up instead. I would put the season finale up against blackwater assault episode (second to last episode of season 2).
If you want to say you found it more entertaining that's one thing and that is much a matter of opinion which you are entitled to, but you said production. Game of Thrones reportedly costs over $60 mil a season (for 9-10 ep seasons?). The pilot alone was estimated to have been close to $10 mil, while what I could find on Spartacus was around 1.5-3 mil an episode?
Game of Thrones is on par with most Hollywood budget movies as far as production value goes, and it's aim is realism. Spartacus is a bunch of mediocre CGI with unrealistic battle scenes in slow motion. As far as production quality goes there really is no comparison whatsoever, but if you want to compare the shows overall merits and how much you liked it, by all means choose Spartacus, I just think comparing almost any show on TV right now to Game of Thrones (Outside of a select few; Walking Dead for example) in terms of production quality is not going to get you far.
Uhhh... Wat?
I guess you fell asleep (understandably so) during all the terrible gunfights with fake muzzle flashes and no recoil.
You were probably asleep when you could see Hershel's leg hanging behind him because of a bad camera angle too.
I guess you also missed that picture floating around the web of a guy drinking a coke in the middle of a zombie horde.
Seriously... the only thing that show does well in terms of production is the make up, and that is only on about 10-15 feature zombies (max) per episode. Please, don't ever compare it to Game of Thrones. Hell. Disney shows have better production value.
And so falls the legend. The two most disappointing things happened though in all of the seasons during this season; both Crixus and Gannicus had some of the worst death scenes ever, more so Crixus than Gannicus though.
Loved the part when spartacus blocked crassus's sword-steal thing (the one he used to kill that gladiator in episode 1 with), I was like holy shit what a badass.
On April 14 2013 05:35 slappy wrote: Lugo had the best death for sure. FUCK YOUR MOTHERS! How many people were cheering when naevia was spewing blood from mouth?
On April 14 2013 06:29 Assault_1 wrote: Loved the part when spartacus blocked crassus's sword-steal thing (the one he used to kill that gladiator in episode 1 with), I was like holy shit what a badass.
I am really going to miss this show ! Been my one of my favorite shows for quite some time now. Great ending episode allthough I do wish they would have given Gannicus a "better" death. Was sure he would go down fighting. Now we need more shows in the genre ! Allready watching Vikings, but should be more out there
One of my favorite shows of all time. Had its facepalm moments, but still, Spartacus is my hero. These characters are true titans of skill and valor. Even the historical figure himself had balls of steel. I love it.
RIP Andy. Liam McIntyre did justice to this character. I think we're all glad that he took on the part, and we know it.
Gannicus's death was weak. Still, the dude deserves mass rep for getting crucified for a cause that he didn't even need to be a part of.
I'll miss this show, but I still have Game of Thrones and Vikings.
Ashur is in the final credits scene twice. One small problem with an otherwise really great finale. Should be used as a bar to judge all other series finales.
I hope they keep on with Caesar + Pompey and stuff. Its going to be hard to meet HBO Rome quality, but they can probably give a bigger focus on battles
They could also give some roles to the survivng "rebels" so that people can keep following the characters they were attached for.
The Andy Whitfield tribute at the end was absolutely perfect. The entire ending credits were perfect, just a great reminder of all of the great characters and the actors that played them we got to see in this series.
I'm going to miss this damn show. It was a fun ride while it lasted.
People have talked about it already, but I was STOKED when Spartacus responded to Crassus' method of grabbing the blade to turn it by grabbing the blade himself. I was also glad to see they were able to preserve the (reported) historical accuracy of Spartacus' body never being found without resulting to the silly solipsism of allowing him to live.
But in all honesty, the absolute best moment of the episode was the Andy Whitfield cameo after the credits. They only continued the series after his death when he insisted that they do so, so ending the series with him was completely appropriate and I was happy. Sad to see the show end, but happy nevertheless.
On April 14 2013 16:31 ThezelAudacity wrote: But in all honesty, the absolute best moment of the episode was the Andy Whitfield cameo after the credits. They only continued the series after his death when he insisted that they do so
Nice last episode. Cannot say I am sad to see the show go, there was not much going on but sex and over the top violence. For sex any porn site is better and for better violence I rather watch 300 again.
On April 14 2013 19:56 -Archangel- wrote: Nice last episode. Cannot say I am sad to see the show go, there was not much going on but sex and over the top violence. For sex any porn site is better and for better violence I rather watch 300 again.
I really enjoyed the finale. As many others have mentioned already - this season wasn't its best story wise, atleast they went out with their heads held high. Everything was very well done in this episode. And the credits almost made me tear up. It was a great ride. Might rewatch it all after a few years or something lol. RIP Andy.
Well it was pretty cool overall. I think the highlight for me is when Naevia died because she was such a despicable character. They somehow managed to make her almost as bad as Tiberius for me. Also she was one of the least believable parts of the story... weighing 100 lbs, some of the smallest arms ever, she'd slice through hordes of heavily armored romans... I mean, there's no denying that Spartacus and his bunch were a bit "OP" anyway but at least those guys were gladiators and they were in good shape physically.
Great finale though, I like what they did. It's not (too) ridiculous nor boring. The part where the Romans get outmaneuvered badly by the rebellion is a bit cheeky but I guess it's fine.
IMPORTANT EDIT: This post was made while heavily under the influence of alcohol, but the writer of this post maintains his opinions no matter his level of intoxication.
The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
On April 14 2013 23:48 Meiya wrote: The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
While many of your points are probably historically accurate, at no time did I watch this show as a historical recreation of Spartacus, but more as a show based on historical events, which is IMO two different things. If you had historical expectations for this show, no wonder you are disappointed. I also believe that the authors never claimed this to be all true.
On April 14 2013 23:48 Meiya wrote: The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
Dude you wrote an essay describing how a show where "Jupiter's cock" is one of the most memorable swear words is not historically accurate. Who the fuck is watching this expecting 100% historical accuracy? I give them credit for actually following the major events of the slave wars as they happened but thats as far as it goes.
You guys are totally correct but I am still disappointed that nobody bothers to depict Ancient Rome with any realism, I'm just a fucking nerd I can't help it.
On April 15 2013 00:17 Meiya wrote: You guys are totally correct but I am still disappointed that nobody bothers to depict Ancient Rome with any realism, I'm just a fucking nerd I can't help it.
Well the series Rome from HBO did a decent job. I mean it was 100% accurate but the closest I've seen and it still remains my all time favourite show.
Spartacus was just fun to watch for tits, sex, blood and gore. It was fun watching the slow mo crazy ways they killed guys etc.
It was pretty obvious from the beginning that Spartacus was not meant to be historically accurate. I mean, if the writers and directors didn't give themselves some liberties, they might as well make documentaries, which do exist and are just as interesting to watch as fancy tv shows.
On April 15 2013 01:53 Barrin wrote: I think the moral of the story is that Freedom is a Choice.
Just like being a wizard is a choice...
uhhh, what am I missing here?
The guy is saying that the moral of the "story" of Spartacus is that freedom is a choice... But that's nothing more than a ridiculous catchphrase that rings good but has no actual meaning or basis in reality. A slave can choose to be free much like a slave can choose to be a wizard. You don't "choose" to be free. Perhaps you choose to try to be.
On top of that, a large portion of the show Spartacus is axed on vengeance, not simply freedom, so I would call the "analysis" quite flawed in many respects.
what was going to happen was obvious, the show had to make it look good doing it. but it would have been "different" and say fuck it and not follow history....despite endless criticism.
On April 15 2013 02:59 jinorazi wrote: i personally was hoping for a alternative history
what was going to happen was obvious, the show had to make it look good doing it. but it would have been "different" and say fuck it and not follow history....despite endless criticism.
if they saved Spartacus and Gannicus the ammount of shitstorm they would have gotten ... Everone would have branded the entire series as a holywood clishce joke.
I think they ve done a good job, Gannicus was my favorite ever since he was introduced, and his end delivered. And i was Ok with Spartacus' end as well. It was fairly obvious they are gonna let Agron live, since he was the only non-historical warrior/leader with an important role.
Now im just hoping for a spinoff season with Crassus, Caesar and Pompey
IMPORTANT EDIT: This post was made while heavily under the influence of alcohol, but the writer of this post maintains his opinions no matter his level of intoxication.
The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
I'm a Classicist and historian. I really enjoyed Spartacus because it's impossible to watch a show expecting any shred of historical accuracy. Expect it to be completely incorrect and enjoy the nuggets of truth (Though I will admit, some points of the show just pissed me off like Tiberius raping Caesar...)
IMPORTANT EDIT: This post was made while heavily under the influence of alcohol, but the writer of this post maintains his opinions no matter his level of intoxication.
The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
I'm a Classicist and historian. I really enjoyed Spartacus because it's impossible to watch a show expecting any shred of historical accuracy. Expect it to be completely incorrect and enjoy the nuggets of truth (Though I will admit, some points of the show just pissed me off like Tiberius raping Caesar...)
I'm as much an enthusiast of classic history as anyone here but I have to agree with this sentiment.
Watching any kind of fictionalized cinema or television that depicts the ancient times and expecting it to be historically accurate is like expecting your burger at McDonald's to look like the picture. It's an unrealistic and naive expectation.
Instead, take what the show does for what it is and judge it by its own merits.
What I think of when I see Spartacus is a show that went from being NOTHING BUT gratuitous gore, violence and nudity to a show with characters and a plot I actually cared about. I came for one thing but I stayed because the writing was good enough to keep me there.
I wasn't expecting to come into this show and witness the next great piece of cinema that'd be talked about for generations I came into it just looking for something entertaining that had to do with gladiators. What I got FAR exceeded my expectations and for me that means a whole lot.
I enjoyed Spartacus because of the tits, the fucking, the blood, the gore and the overzealous brutality. It is obvious, that this is the main focus of the series. But somehow only season 1 and gods of the arena made me feel impatient to watch the next episode, and the next and the next. The last two seasons were .... well, okayish, but that's about it.
I found it funny though, that the only people surviving and escaping to the north were the women and the two homosexuals, Agron and Nasir :-)
I LOVE rome, and roman stuff, but in this show with each episde I only grew in disapointment, until I finally realized that they would basically alude to the coolest time in rome and stop the show due to the slave revolt ending, id rather they let spartakus live and do some sort of "alternate history".
Alas, it didnt happen, and I see this series as nothing more than a porn with plot.
On April 15 2013 05:16 Panzamelano wrote: finally after a whole season naevia dies god did i hate that bitch.
and overall the ending was better than i expected knowing how most "historical" shows turn out nowadays.
Haha, true. We had to wait so long, that annoying cunt. But in this series, almost all women were fucking pathetic. Only Lucretia was a fucking boss. Back in Gods of the Arena, right before she kills Titus and he asks her:"Tell me I have been mistaken about you. Tell me you're not the serpent I have thought you to be." And she just answers: "I'm not." <long pause> "I'm far worse." Goosebumps !
On April 14 2013 22:32 Djzapz wrote:I think the highlight for me is when Naevia died because she was such a despicable character. They somehow managed to make her almost as bad as Tiberius for me.
I found it funny that at the beginning of episode 9 when Naevia comes back with Crixus' head and is telling this gut wrenching story of his death I felt nothing emotionally. Then one line and one facial expression from Nasir in regards to Agron right afterwards almost brought me to tears.
On April 15 2013 02:58 tozi wrote: spartacus just ditched that red-haired girl. He didn't even acknowledge her when he was dying lol
He DID tell her he wouldn't give his heart to a Roman, and she also told him she only wanted his cock, so I'd say no harm here lol
Now im just hoping for a spinoff season with Crassus, Caesar and Pompey
There is such a show. It is called Rome. Go watch it. It is 5x better then Spartacus
I watched it, and yes it is better than this, but it has no Crassus in it. You might observe i started the enumaration with him. I'd like to see where can they take that character.
Loved the show. Manly tears were shed at the end but meh. The show in my opinion had worsened since Gods of the arena (which was the best imo). I think the secound they left the ludus and full scale battles started to happen the CGI just didn't cut it. It never felt like "the rebellion vs Rome", more 5 main characters slow mowing the fuck out of a people and suddenly they win. Plus the fact that the so called gladiators and conquered soldiers that had spent years training and fighting for their lives were being matched by fucks like nasir and neavia helped ruin the feels. Nonetheless I enjoyed the show for what it was despite its many flaws. RIP Andy.
On April 15 2013 05:38 D10 wrote: A bad ending for a bad show.
I LOVE rome, and roman stuff, but in this show with each episde I only grew in disapointment, until I finally realized that they would basically alude to the coolest time in rome and stop the show due to the slave revolt ending, id rather they let spartakus live and do some sort of "alternate history".
Alas, it didnt happen, and I see this series as nothing more than a porn with plot.
why the fuck were you even watching the show if you disliked it that much makes no sense lol.
Very sad spartacus is over what a finale didn't except to love it that much
Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Amazing end, Gannicus' war cry when he saw Oenomaus was great. It was pretty sad when they showed a scene of Andy Whitfield(original Spartacus) at the end.
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
Yeah I was so confused when they did it wrong the first time but then corrected it the next time? Also crucifying Crassus' slave was cool. You could really see how well they depicted the horror on her face on that one. Also Caesar's actor.. had a weird looking expression on his face the entire series lol.
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
Yeah I was so confused when they did it wrong the first time but then corrected it the next time? Also crucifying Crassus' slave was cool. You could really see how well they depicted the horror on her face on that one. Also Caesar's actor.. had a weird looking expression on his face the entire series lol.
It was done deliberately the first time. They didn't mess up.
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
That makes me wonder, if Agron was pierced through his palms, would he have been able to hold a sword? Cause if it they nailed his wrists, then he wouldn't have.
Unless it was their intention to nail his wrists but they messed it up.
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
Yeah I was so confused when they did it wrong the first time but then corrected it the next time? Also crucifying Crassus' slave was cool. You could really see how well they depicted the horror on her face on that one. Also Caesar's actor.. had a weird looking expression on his face the entire series lol.
It was done deliberately the first time. They didn't mess up.
How you know dat? But I wonder why they changed the way they nailed them.. sad the series has ended.. I wanted more!
On April 15 2013 07:53 Tialuram wrote: Great ending in my opinion, felt a bit like "In Utter Darkness" mission from WoL campaign...with all the heroes dieing.
Only thing I wish would have been different is Gannicus's end, but oh well. Guess someone had to die in a non heroic way to prove the point of defeat. ...I just really don't like to watch crucifixions
Well since you mentioned crucifixion, did anyone else notice they fracked it up with Agron, but then done it right afterwards? By that I mean, Agron was pierced through palms, while in real Rome it was done through wrists which is what they did to Gannicus.
Yeah I was so confused when they did it wrong the first time but then corrected it the next time? Also crucifying Crassus' slave was cool. You could really see how well they depicted the horror on her face on that one. Also Caesar's actor.. had a weird looking expression on his face the entire series lol.
It was done deliberately the first time. They didn't mess up.
How you know dat? But I wonder why they changed the way they nailed them.. sad the series has ended.. I wanted more!
You can rewatch the scene, they voiced the reason for nailing his hands.
IMPORTANT EDIT: This post was made while heavily under the influence of alcohol, but the writer of this post maintains his opinions no matter his level of intoxication.
The endless litany of praise for this show is forcing me to speak up: it's not just the loyal denizens of tl.net, it is sites that I expected to be more critical such as /tv/. I can't understand this, because I was a loyal fan of this show for the first two and a bit seasons and watched every episode since.
Spartacus was a terrible show. Blood and Sand was fanstastic for what it was, as was Gods of the Arena which stuck to a winning formula. Vengeance was the beginning of a moralising and historically insulting soap opera led by an actor that, while decent in the end, was not the man we grew to love. However, through a combination of lazy writing and incompetent research we ended up with the show that ended just recently, entertaining as it was in a sense.
The writers of this show moralised from a very early point, and while there is no evidence of Spartacus giving a single fuck about the plight of slaves in the Republic, it is just anachronistic, lazy and irrelevant work for the overpaid writers of this overrated show to suggest that slavery was this terrible evil when nobody in the day of Spartacus, even Spartacus himself, seemed to really care about the institution of slavery. This is not so much the fault of the show as the fault of terrible modern 'history' that shoves modern moralistic subjectivity down the throats of men and women that lived thousands of years ago, but it as painful as it is disappointing.
However: it is most important for me to point out how grossly irrelevant the events of this overacted series were to reality, and I will list the most frustrating:
-Crassus was not a gladiator-brawling, chivalrous 'leader by example': while courageous, Crassus became the lead man against Spartacus through a combination of cash up the sleeve to pay new legions and willingness to risk defeat against an enemy of such low repute as slaves: Rome certainly never feared they would lose their global influence to Spartacus and his slaves, and even their fear that Rome would be ravaged by Spartacus proved typical Roman paranoiae: to be frank, Spartacus had less chance to conquer Rome than did Alexander the Great. -Tiberius did not exist, Crassus had two real children and neither of them were named Tiberius nor did they bear any historical similarity to this fictional character -Caesar Dictator was too busy serving under Lucullus against Mithridates in the East to give a single fuck about Crassus' little war against slaves, and not only shared not a single character trait with the Caesar in the show but also did not share a single piece of historical similarity -Spartacus was never a crusader for the freedom of all slaves, modern historians with their liberal sensibilities have forced their own beliefs in regards to slavery into the mouth of Spartacus, who was a bad motherfucker but more of a bandit than an idealist, according to the sources. -MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL: Roman legions were not useless organisations that could not combat gladiators. Legions were the best fighting forces on earth before, during and after the 3rd Servile War. Legionaries made better soldiers than gladiators (this is not even arguable), they possessed superior discipline and therefore fighting power which is evident in their conduct in situations such as those faced by Caesar Dictator, where Roman legionaries were capable of executing complex manoeuvres in contact under any circumstances and against barbarian soldiers or other Roman soldiers. Nobody but Romans could do this, and examples are provided in Caesar's The Gallic Wars, where for example Caesar has a file of soldiers ambushed by Gauls and orders them to turn to battle, while his other files continue to march out of contact to reform and fight once they reach the flank of the enemy. If that sounds like gibberish it doesn't matter: these were tactical military manoevures that only Roman legionaries were capable of. Basically, Roman soldiers were not bad soldiers, but in fact they were the best soldiers on earth. -Man for man Roman legionaries, if not experienced killers above and beyond that of gladiators such as the soldiers of Pompey and other Roman governors in troublesome provinces, were certainly trained to a very similar standard as gladiators. Oh and gladiators rarely fought to the death in the Republic. -Legionaries did not fight with big spiky retarded spears that look like something straight out of 300: if you look up 'pilum', you'll notice that Roman infantrymen used spears in not only a completely dissimilar manner to that of 'spearmen' or 'hoplites', but also pilum were absolutely dissimilar to the sort of fictional spears depicted in Spartacus. -Watch the first minute or so of the first episode of HBO's Rome for an idea of how Roman soldiers actually fought, and why even excellent individual combatants like Spartacus' gladiators or German tribesman had no chance at all against a decently organised Roman army.
Goddamn I am not going to pretend I was not smashed and angry about my life when I made this post, but for the love of god the historical accuracy of this show in these areas (and a million other ways I probably forgot) is an incredible sore point I may never forget and I cannot ignore when people say this show was the best show ever.
I'm a Classicist and historian. I really enjoyed Spartacus because it's impossible to watch a show expecting any shred of historical accuracy. Expect it to be completely incorrect and enjoy the nuggets of truth (Though I will admit, some points of the show just pissed me off like Tiberius raping Caesar...)
I'm as much an enthusiast of classic history as anyone here but I have to agree with this sentiment.
Watching any kind of fictionalized cinema or television that depicts the ancient times and expecting it to be historically accurate is like expecting your burger at McDonald's to look like the picture. It's an unrealistic and naive expectation.
Instead, take what the show does for what it is and judge it by its own merits.
What I think of when I see Spartacus is a show that went from being NOTHING BUT gratuitous gore, violence and nudity to a show with characters and a plot I actually cared about. I came for one thing but I stayed because the writing was good enough to keep me there.
I wasn't expecting to come into this show and witness the next great piece of cinema that'd be talked about for generations I came into it just looking for something entertaining that had to do with gladiators. What I got FAR exceeded my expectations and for me that means a whole lot.
Sure it cannot be expected of writers to follow history too closely, but I would have been satisfied with at least ONE thrown pilum. Just one...
Created a new poll, now that the series is done. Sorry I couldnt include gods of the arena, it would make it 24 permutations... For me: wrath of the gods > vengeance > blood and sand > gota
Poll: Rank the seasons!
B&S > WOTG > V (14)
48%
B&S > V > WOTG (8)
28%
WOTG > B&S > V (5)
17%
WOTG > V > B&S (1)
3%
V > WOTG > B&S (1)
3%
V > B&S > WOTG (0)
0%
29 total votes
Your vote: Rank the seasons!
(Vote): B&S > V > WOTG (Vote): B&S > WOTG > V (Vote): WOTG > V > B&S (Vote): WOTG > B&S > V (Vote): V > B&S > WOTG (Vote): V > WOTG > B&S
What exactly made Spartacus change his mind about going to war with Crassus, just that Crixus died? Because if Crixus took half the warriors and couldn't win what made Spartacus think he was going to win?
On April 16 2013 04:50 Agron wrote: What exactly made Spartacus change his mind about going to war with Crassus, just that Crixus died? Because if Crixus took half the warriors and couldn't win what made Spartacus think he was going to win?
It's a badly written show that should have ended south of the wall so to speak.
On April 16 2013 04:50 Agron wrote: What exactly made Spartacus change his mind about going to war with Crassus, just that Crixus died? Because if Crixus took half the warriors and couldn't win what made Spartacus think he was going to win?
It's a badly written show that should have ended south of the wall so to speak.
i'll just copy/paste wiki
"Many popular modern accounts of the war claim that there was a factional split in the escaped slaves between those under Spartacus, who wished to escape over the Alps to freedom, and those under Crixus, who wished to stay in southern Italy to continue raiding and plundering."
just saying, the splitting of the army wasn't in the writer's control, unless they wanted to intentionally leave it out.
wasnt the purpose of sparticus attacking was to allow rest of the people escape? which as far as i know, were all killed by pompey.
Yes that was the purpose. As I recall in reality, Pompey united with Crassus+Caesar long before and they pincered Spartacus's remaining forces in that location, whereas in the show Pompey is shown as luckily coming across the women+children+others on the mountain. Basically they had Spartacus and the slaves cornered, and he had only one choice which was to fight to the end.
EPT
I am not Italian. I am Polish living in Finland. And I have never been to Rome, just Bologna, Milan and Venice 
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