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ISFP
Introvert(33%) Sensing(25%) Feeling(38%) Perceiving(44)%
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (33%)
You have moderate preference of Sensing over Intuition (25%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have moderate preference of Perceiving over Judging (44%)
Op can you translate this for me? Does this mean im ambivert or does it mean im mostly an introvert ?
What if im an Introvert that wants to be a Extrovert? Or maybe im very much an Extrovert sometimes and sometimes im an introvert? does that mean i just cant control both worlds?
Thanks for posting this is enlightening post. Appreciate the effort :D!
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a bit of info on the Neurochemistry of Introversion
It;'s been shown on PET scans that Is use different neural pathways to Es when engaged in almost any type of activity (including relaxation). During one study a group of identified Es and Is were asked to lie down and relax, and a PET scan was used to measure blood flow to the brain and the pathways it followed.
The Is had *more* bloodflow to the brain during relaxation than Es, indicating more internal stimulation. Also, the Is and Es' blood travelled along different pathways - the I pathway was found to be more complex, and flowed to areas of the brain associated with remembering, problem solving and planning.
The Es blood flowed on a more direct route to areas of the brain where sensory processing occurs. This confirmed the researchers' suspicion that the Es in the study were focused on what was happening around them in the lab, and were engaged in sensory processing.
The pathway used by Extraverts is activated by the chemical Dopamine. Dopamine is a powerful neurotransmitter, most closely associated with movement, attention, alert states, and learning. Too much dopamine in the brain causes hallucinations and paranoia, and too little causes depression, lethargy and misery. Having the right amount of Dopamine is critical to everyone.
It has been found that Extraverts have a low sensitivity to Dopamine (require more to get the desired effect). They require Adrenaline, which is released from the sympathetic nervous system, and makes more Dopamine in the brain. This explains why Es need more stimulation/thrill/activity, to feel good, and why they seek variety.
Introverts are highly sensitive to Dopamine - too much of it and they can feel overstimulated. Is rely on a different neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, on their dominant neural pathway. Acetylcholine affects attention and learning, influences the ability to sustain a calm, alert feeling and to utilise long term memory stores, and stimulates a good feeling when thinking or feeling emotion. Introverts require a lower level of Dopamine, and a good level of acetylcholine, to leave them calm and free of depression or anxiety. Too much activity/stimulation can leave Is in Dopamine "overload", and give them a feeling of exhaustion.
SHORTER EXTRAVERT NEURAL PATHWAY
Stimulation ascends the spinal cord and enter reticular activating system in brain stem - data enters the Hypothalamus (thirst/temperature/appetite) - this switches on the "Full Throttle" system in Extraverts - Stimulii are sent to POSTERIOR THALAMUS (a relay station which amplifies the stimuli and sends them to amygdala) - Amygdala is the emotional centre (associated with the actions in the motor area, in extraverts) - Stimuli transferred to Temporal and moror area (movement connects to short term memory access, and to the center for learning and processing sensory and emotional stimuli).
LONGER INTROVERT NEURAL PATHWAY
Stimuli enter Reticular activating system above brain stem - this system is less active in Introverts - transferred to Hypothalmus where the data is interpreted and the brain placed on "Throttle down" in Introverts - Data sent to ANTERIOR THALAMUS (relay station which turns sensory signals down in Introverts) - Data sent to Broca's Area (speech area where internal monologue is activated) - Data sent to Frontal lobe (thinking, planning, learning) - Data sent to Hippocampus (relayed to long term memory including environmental awareness) - Data sent to Amygdala (emotional centre where feelings are attached to thoughts, in Introverts).
Another interesting point to ponder is that Extraverts can apparently access short-term memory areas of the brain more readily than Introverts, because of their faster and less complicated pathway. This could explain why an Introvert will often "grope" for a word in conversation or in a group discussion, or may have to think on an issue for longer before responding in appropriate language.
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?10517-Neurochemistry-of-Introversion&s=7c01d853bee95addad3897cf9b2eb5a0
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Also there are no dichotomies in human personality. Forget MBTI, it doesn't work. If you want a personality theory - look for Big Five.
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I don't really disagree with the OP, but I think introversion-extroversion is more like a spectrum and most people are in the middle rather than having 2 distinct groups. People can also change along that spectrum over the course of their lives, it's not as deterministic as it seems. There's tons of people that use to be shy in high school becoming very socially active in college then at work.
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On December 21 2012 10:56 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:25 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 10:11 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 09:58 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 09:53 Brosy wrote:On December 21 2012 09:49 Mstring wrote:
If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain. Drop the labels and you're free. Nonsense. Being an introvert or extrovert has nothing to do with how you think. For instance if I go to an event that where I am talking with a bunch of people that I don't know, to just stop thinking that I'm an introvert will not make me more comfortable with the situation. On December 21 2012 09:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 09:49 Mstring wrote:
If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain. Drop the labels and you're free. Honestly, fuck you for implying introversion is a bad thing. I did no such thing. I'm implying that these labels and identities lead to rigid thinking and less freedom. "If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain." This right here is implying that being an introvert is undesirable. The only reason to say something like this is like a warning. To a reasonable person it's hard to see this line any other way. I think that a reasonable person seeks clarification before jumping down someone's throat with a "fuck you". If you assume the worst all the time, you'll always get the worst. You're right, it was a warning... against identifying with labels, not against being "introverted", which you cannot "be", only be labelled as such. You took it too personally,
I didn't take anything personally my friend. You do you, I'll worry about me.
I was just trying to make it obvious how pervasive this stigma of introverts is which involved jumping on the first person to perpetuate it.
I have been explicit with this point: I have no opinion on any personality, only the use and value of these labels. I think you are seeing things in my post that are not there.
You're right, you cannot "be" introverted. You cannot "be" extroverted. Someone who is 100% of either would be in a mental hospital, according to the person who coined the terms. Instead it is a spectrum.
<- Introverted ---------- Ambivert ---------- Extrovert ->
What you can do with this is see where you stand in relation to other people. Like hot and cold... nobody is 0C or 100C but somewhere in between. 35C is an actual temperature, just like a proportional level of introversion is an actual relative temperament.
You cannot "be" half and half either. You can only be labelled as such.
You're kidding? The burden of proof is on you pal.
Burden of proof on me? I have no obligation to you. I've already told you I have no interest in proving anything to anyone.
HOW do they lead to less freedom? Evidence?
By accepting external notions regarding your self.
""Ah that's why I do what I do"" -- is self deception; an easy-way-out of really figuring out why you don't like to socialise etc...
I've already tested the theory of learning and accepting and it has already worked for me. Many many other people have tested it before I've tested it - it worked for them. I don't understand why you think I'm just going to believe you? I already have 'freedom'...
I don't understand why you think I am concerned about whether you believe me or not.
Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:33 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 10:26 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 10:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 09:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 09:49 Mstring wrote:
If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain. Drop the labels and you're free. Honestly, fuck you for implying introversion is a bad thing. You'll be free when you can accept who you are - you kinda sound like someone who hasn't. Is this a subtle put-down attempt? Why would you say this? I wasn't trying to be subtle, I'm trying to free myself from that constraint of my introversion (made possibly by my understanding and accepting of it). I said it because my strong intuition tells me I should believe it, though I don't really have any evidence to back it up. Would you like to prove me wrong? How much do you know about yourself, lets hear? You're not uncomfortable with your introversion (if you are), after all, right? What I meant was, how can you justify trying to make me feel bad? Where is the value in such a statement? above Show nested quote +I have no interest in proving anyone right or wrong. I don't identify as an introvert or an extrovert. What about me would you like to know? So you just come where with a completely unsubstantiated claim with no intention of proving it right
Sure.
but you still want people to believe it
You're doing me again. Leave me to me. Where did you get the idea that I want people to believe what I say? Like I said, I have no interest in being proven right. Hobson's choice.
and are offended when someone calls you out on the stupidity? C'mon man.
And again, you're doing me. I wasn't offended in the slightest. I was pointing out the foolishness of put-downs.
I think I've made my point now.
I think we've all gotten your point by now 
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On December 21 2012 10:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Personality tests
self-help/self-analysis books
arbitrary cultural labels
vagueness
pretty people on camera
Massive stroke-fest
ambiguous quotes
Some of the worst aspects of our culture and exploitative marketing are all crammed into this OP.
I love you
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On December 21 2012 11:12 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 11:02 Picklebread wrote:
ISFP
Introvert(33%) Sensing(25%) Feeling(38%) Perceiving(44)%
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (33%)
You have moderate preference of Sensing over Intuition (25%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have moderate preference of Perceiving over Judging (44%)
Op can you translate this for me? Does this mean im ambivert or does it mean im mostly an introvert ?
What if im an Introvert that wants to be a Extrovert? Or maybe im very much an Extrovert sometimes and sometimes im an introvert? does that mean i just cant control both worlds?
Thanks for posting this is enlightening post. Appreciate the effort :D!
This is literally the most extroverted of the 8 introverted personality type I think. Sensing basically means you're in tune with reality. Feeling means you're in tune with other people. Perceiving over judging means you're more open and less overbearing.
Wow that sounds exactly like me. Thanks for the clarification op!
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Well, and here I was thinking someone posted something about Prison Architect.
Interesting none the less and a good change from the status quo, Barrin.
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On December 21 2012 11:13 RavenLoud wrote:
I don't really disagree with the OP, but I think introversion-extroversion is more like a spectrum and most people are in the middle rather than having 2 distinct groups. People can also change along that spectrum over the course of their lives, it's not as deterministic as it seems. There's tons of people that use to be shy in high school becoming very socially active in college then at work.
Introvert =/= shy. That's a very common mistake people make, but introverts are not by definition shy, they can be just as bold and certain of themselves as extroverts can be. They may not show it as often as extroverts do, but that has no bearing on whether they are shy.
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On December 21 2012 10:54 Mstring wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:42 rasnj wrote:On December 21 2012 10:31 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 10:17 rasnj wrote:On December 21 2012 10:05 Mstring wrote:On December 21 2012 09:55 Barrin wrote:On December 21 2012 09:49 Mstring wrote:
If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain. Drop the labels and you're free. Honestly, fuck you for implying introversion is a bad thing. You'll be free when you can accept who you are - you kinda sound like someone who hasn't. Is this a subtle put-down attempt? Why would you say this? Why would we want to be free of the labels? The whole introvert vs extrovert dichotomy is just a recognition that most people fairly neatly divides into one class or the other, and further it is the idea that perhaps the groups need to be taught about each other and how to interact because there is a lack of understanding between the groups. You can compare it to the realization that there are boys and girls (or straight and gay people if you want something less physical), and it helps children to get some idea how to interact with the other group. As the OP explains many people have experienced that introvert tendencies as you grow up are treated with an attempt to "cure" them and make you more extrovert. Your post makes it sound like you have the same approach. It is similar to someone coming out of the closet as gay and they are told "don't worry it's just a phase" or "you just haven't met the man/woman (of opposite gender)". You may of course just have meant that there is no need for the distinction, but many people find it helpful because a large group of people are very hard to understand without a little guidance. Furthermore people need different advice depending on their personality. How do you socialize, how do you lead, how do you make friends? The answers may depend on how you are most comfortable engaging other people. EDIT: Obviously no one is suggesting this is a completely binary relationship. You are of course some mixture of both introverted and extroverted. It is also clear that different situations call for different skills so you need to act introverted or extroverted on occassion to be succssfull. You shouldn't treat this as a terminal diagnosis or anything like that, just as a way to further understand yourself and other people. This includes understanding how others are successfull at some things you consider almost impossible and where you can push your boundaries. I'm not trying to cure anyone from anything except using labels which can only serve to divide. What you "are" is subject to change at any second. Why would I want to limit my growth of self by attaching all these rigid identities to "I"? How you lead, socialise and make friends is all personal preference in the end. What value does these two identities have in this regard? It also makes it possible to recognize and learn something about yourself. It is clear to many people that they are introverted or extroverted before being introduced to the idea in a way like this thread does. If you suppress the debate you get people (especially children) questioning themselves and asking "Is something wrong with me for not wanting to socialize? Will I ever be successful? Does anyone else feel like I do? Is there a way to deal with it?" The recognition of the idea of introversion helps people deal with this kind of stuff. What advantage does saying to a child "It's OK because you're introverted" have over simply "It's OK!"?
Probably very little to none. However it helps when you need to make parents aware that their child may not have the same need for social interaction as others. Similarily when you need to make teachers aware why some people do not like their group projects with new partners, or field trip group activities, and why the teachers maybe need to rethink how they are doing. Also if a child get's little support from their parents and they try to find answers elsewhere (say the Internet), then it helps to have the label.
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It is all a matter of trying to understand yourself and understand others. You can then accept yourself as you are and recognize where your boundaries are.
Boundaries are self-created. How does limiting yourself to boundaries of accepted identities help you?
I guess boundaries is the wrong word here and I concede that the acceptance of being introverted may be a type of self-fullfilling prophecy. What I meant however is just that you understand what you have problems with and then either accept it, learn to deal with it or overcome them somehow.
I do not bother to identify myself as an introvert to anyone or think of myself as an introvert, but if I have a problem I recognize as an "introvert problem" it may be helpful to ask what has other introverts done about this?
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On December 21 2012 11:08 Barrin wrote:Introversion is not better than extraversion... but I don't think there's a question as to which side actually needed the pumping-up that's in the OP. The point of this thread is to educate extroverts and make introverts comfortable with themselves. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
"American society tends to emphasize that success comes through being highly social and outgoing (in short, extroverted) which negatively pressures introverted people (1/4 to 1/2 of the population) into being uncomfortable with themselves or their environments, which in turn stifles creativity and progress."
OP can you elaborate on the definition of "American society" and "success" as it pertains to this statement? Otherwise this statement has hardly any meaning. Words mean what a reasonable person think they mean at the time they are said. Don't get too definist on me plz, I wasn't trying to be vague. Do you really not know?
I think your post would be a lot more valuable to you and others if you defined these two terms, that's all. Otherwise we're all just assuming that we share concepts and definitions when that may not be the case. I do not know what success means to you, nor do I pretend to. The same goes for American society.
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On December 21 2012 11:14 Mstring wrote:I think we've all gotten your point by now
I'm really not sure what your point in all of this really is, though. As far as I can tell, it's essentially some hippie-esque stance of "Down with labels".
If your contribution to this thread is really just some aversion to giving things names, I'd suggest making your own thread to discuss it.
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I'm an ISTJ. Looking back on elementary school and even some middle school, I would've told myself one thing:
"Quit pretending you're an extrovert -- you aren't."
I'm in full agreement that our culture sort of leans toward extroversion as being more desirable and ideal.
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I'm an INFP (usually), though it changes now and then depending on my mood and the specific test. It's a pretty good description far as values and the way I interpret the world go. Two things I believe are to always do something the best you can, and only do something if it increases happiness in the world (others happiness being valued more than your own).
It explains a lot, like why I'm such a great wet blanket.
Yay, go us! We might not get the spotlight, but we're the ones who point it.
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i made the test at the first link, humanmetrics and these are my results:
INTJ
Introvert(100%) iNtuitive(12%) iNtuitive Thinking(1%) Judging(22%)
You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (100%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have marginal or no preference of Thinking over Feeling (1%)
You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (22%)
im not really sure what that means, well full introversion is easy to pick :p , but i feel it could also have gone another result as im not 100% sure about some questions, neither i understand or answered them right...
But wow, really long long long post and explanation. really enjoyed the part with the myths about introversion.
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There are a lot of people who treat their Meyer code as a thing to be proud of. I think I've been tested externally on 2-3 different occasions and as with most people on the low end of the autistic spectrum I come out as INTJ. However while it does influence my pattern of thinking, it is something I find myself actively trying to overcome. Medication helps a lot - shuts down a lot of the internal doubts and nonsense.
Personally I think your designation shifts with maturity. It's taken me nearly three decades to finally get comfortable with social situations. If you can drink happily with mates at 18, have a girlfriend and are socially adept then you aren't as introverted as you think are you.
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