EPTIntroversion Awareness - Page 4
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Mortal
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Maxd11
United States680 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:02 RoieTRS wrote: The myths in the OP apply to 100% of people at varying levels and everyone will identify whether they are introverted or not. The OP paints a picture like introversion is a secret club. If this keeps up, in 5 years you'll be seeing people say "lol im so introverted" on a whim like they treat nerddom now. I've been called shy or whatever bogus all my life and it has nothing to do with introversion vs extroversion. It is simply people give you shit about anything unless you tell them to back off. This is a scam I wouldn't be surprised if people started writing books on this soon or whatever else they do to get money I totally agree. And they already are making books about it. Many kid's books have the main hero character as a loner who feels out of place. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:16 Thereisnosaurus wrote: as a kind of alpha introvert (best expressed by the line 'yes I am quiet, what are you going to do about it punk?'), I think there's a sort of misconception in the OP that introversion is not aligned with boldness, confidence and charisma. I find I am at my most capable around other people when I let my quieter tendencies lead. I am extremely self confident, self critical (in a positive way) and self aware, so I am capable of making myself into an example of positive humanity. I serve, I prepare, I assist and I encourage, simply by going about my daily life. I would say that the introvert's answer to extroverted charisma and social skill is what might be called 'force of will', the sort of thing you see in someone that tells you this person is both a) not to be fucked with and b) is worth not fucking with because they have their head screwed on straight. Introverts who aren't ashamed of what they feel and represent have incredible raw charisma in their sheer self confidence. I've always seen these people as role models and they've helped me shape myself into my current psychological state. You can be an introvert and still a leader. You simply lead by example, not rhetoric. Basically this. Too many symptoms of shyness and social weakness get associated with introversion. You can be a person who feels totally comfortable around people anywhere, be well received, and still be an introvert. | ||
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LainRivers
United States36 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Shyness and introversion are different things. Introversion is not something that will negatively affect you the least, shyness is. This "introversion power!!" nonsense, however, is no better than the idea that introverts are failures with no social skills. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
 P.S. Thanks for that post Barrin, I thought it gives us introverts some needed self confidence to be ok with being introverted. | ||
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Flip9
Germany151 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:11 Barrin wrote: That has more to do with Judging vs. Perceiving. It's the J's that are susceptible to this... not I's. "If you think "I'm an introvert", so you will remain." This right here is implying that being an introvert is undesirable. The only reason to say something like this is like a warning. To a reasonable person it's hard to see this line any other way. "Drop the labels and you're free." This does a better job of conveying what you actually mean, but even still it almost seems to imply that being an introvert takes away your freedom (you really mean just believing it does). I would really like to see some more evidence for your claims. So you know the people who invented the personality types testified over and over that their patients were feeling better about themselves and that sorta thing (and there are many many first hand accounts... including my own...). WTB [your examples]. Your OP has a lot of information and I'm sure it will help some people get a better understanding, so good job on that. However you arguing takes away a lot of your credibility. Where is the silence that you preach? Actually I found what Mstring wrote a good addition to the other posts and not offensive at all (and I'm what you would call introvertive). | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:31 Mstring wrote: I'm not trying to cure anyone from anything except using labels which can only serve to divide. What you "are" is subject to change at any second. Why would I want to limit my growth of self by attaching all these rigid identities to "I"? How you lead, socialise and make friends is all personal preference in the end. What value does these two identities have in this regard? But they don't just serve to divide. It makes it possible to have a discussion about introversion vs extroversion, and in particular a defense of several traits of introverted people which have generally been seen as negative by many people. It also makes it possible to recognize and learn something about yourself. It is clear to many people that they are introverted or extroverted before being introduced to the idea in a way like this thread does. If you suppress the debate you get people (especially children) questioning themselves and asking "Is something wrong with me for not wanting to socialize? Will I ever be successful? Does anyone else feel like I do? Is there a way to deal with it?" The recognition of the idea of introversion helps people deal with this kind of stuff. It is all a matter of trying to understand yourself and understand others. You can then accept yourself as you are and recognize where your boundaries are. If you recognize that you are an introvert and have trouble socializing at parties then you can look up some of the litterature like the ones given in the OP which may very well help you. If you didn't know about introversion or didn't bother to label it, then it would much harder to understand how others in a similar situation successfully dealt with the problem you are having. I think maybe I got a little too defensive in responding to you and am sorry for that, but I still feel the dichotomy is a useful one for many people. EDIT: Also you may not find it useful, but I can personally attest to the fact that I found the distinction and some writings about it useful in understanding myself and trying to develop my personality. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
It's not something I have learned to "maintain". I shut it on and off, because it's not too natural to turn it "on" when I'm alone. Or when I'm tired. Or when I'm under stress/pressure. But I must admit, I like myself much better after I learned to talk nonsense and laugh it up even in a group of people. It doesn't have to mean anything. And oftentimes even (seemingly) extroverts will surprise you and share parts of their world. To some it comes natural, but I had to learn it, and just like I've been introverted for so long, I love to shut off my brain and simply feel, perceive and perhaps even judge to save myself a lot of "trouble" having to analyze and think. For why consider someone elses feelings if you can't shout out about your own? My nature+upbringing made me extremely introverted. But I don't/didn't like it. There must be balance. Intuition means NOTHING if you can't begin to sense your surroundings, perceiving matters little if you cannot make judgements, thinking matters little if you do not feel emotions in "this very instant" (meaning that I would often/always be "numb" around people, and repeat the experiences/emotions when I was "home and safe", instead of paying attention to them and acting upon them when I should. For I have found it's much better to show it and act it like you're actually There and Important, rather than bring shit home and work them out in solitude, cause the possible motives of others are endless, and you won't get to learn neither anyone else nor yourself this way), and being introverted is awful if you can't also exert yourself. The "inside" world needs to be balanced by the "outside" world. Not saying it should be 50/50, but since I'm introverted, I have worked a lot on my emotions to finally acknowledge that I too enjoy interacting in the "outside" world, showing everyone my warts and all. And I like myself much better because of it. EDIT: Guess I'm INTP. Thinking, intuitive, and introverted; I never judge and am highly perceptive. Although all these apply to the way I was, or mostly am, they do not necessarily always describe me equally well today. There has to be some sort of "bar" or "slides", balance, which can even change as you "grow". | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
ENTP Extravert(22%) iNtuitive(75%) iNtuitive Thinking(75%) Perceiving(11)% You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (22%) You have distinctive preference of Intuition over Sensing (75%) You have distinctive preference of Thinking over Feeling (75%) You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (11%) i would say this is pretty accurate, especially the descriptions of what this 'type' likes. I'm in a pretty 'nerdy' major if you will: economics/statistics, but I have a lot of friends that don't share any of my similar intellectual pursuits, who like to party, hit clubs/do risky random things, and I can chat up anyone and make small talk easily. i also have my share of friends who practically never go out, really enjoy intellectual things, are generally 'quiet' or whatever society calls that -- i generally don't have trouble making friends from either end of the spectrum, you can be smart and be either an extrovert or introvert after all. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:44 dreamsmasher wrote: hmm i got ENTP Extravert(22%) iNtuitive(75%) iNtuitive Thinking(75%) Perceiving(11)% You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (22%) You have distinctive preference of Intuition over Sensing (75%) You have distinctive preference of Thinking over Feeling (75%) You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (11%) i would say this is pretty accurate, especially the descriptions of what this 'type' likes. I'm in a pretty 'nerdy' major if you will: economics/statistics, but I have a lot of friends that don't share any of my similar intellectual pursuits, who like to party, hit clubs/do risky random things, and I can chat up anyone and make small talk easily. i also have my share of friends who practically never go out, really enjoy intellectual things, are generally 'quiet' or whatever society calls that -- i generally don't have trouble making friends from either end of the spectrum, you can be smart and be either an extrovert or introvert after all. Extroverted nerds are in vogue right now bro, and for the foreseeable future. If you are one be proud! | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
self-help/self-analysis books arbitrary cultural labels vagueness pretty people on camera Massive stroke-fest ambiguous quotes Some of the worst aspects of our culture and exploitative marketing are all crammed into this OP. | ||
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LainRivers
United States36 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
OP can you elaborate on the definition of "American society" and "success" as it pertains to this statement? Otherwise this statement has hardly any meaning. | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
Took this one says I am 78% introvert I've taken them before and it has been a mostly like that. I am one of those people that are pretty introvert for the most part but once I get used to people or warmed up at a social event I like explode to a different person sometime haha. I can be very outgoing but when it is done for me it is fucking done and I need a nap and people to leave me the hell alone haha. On December 21 2012 10:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote: "American society tends to emphasize that success comes through being highly social and outgoing (in short, extroverted) which negatively pressures introverted people (1/4 to 1/2 of the population) into being uncomfortable with themselves or their environments, which in turn stifles creativity and progress." OP can you elaborate on the definition of "American society" and "success" as it pertains to this statement? Well if you look at any work manual or what to do in an interview or what people look for it is all about being "extroverted". Being very out there kinda loud and exciting always especially in retail even if your job requires little socialization like working the stock rooms as I have before they always look for that. On December 21 2012 10:50 LainRivers wrote: I don't think some people realize you can change your personality, it's just really fucking hard to do it 'because you want to'. You would literally be going against what your body feels is 'right' due to genetics or your environment growing up. It definitely happens over your lifetime, and in some cases even radically changes in a very short amount of time. You are not some static thing that can never change or adapt. Also, one introvert can be completely different from the next aside from the fundamental similarities basically every introvert shares. Which is why there is even a word to separate introversion and extroversion. Ya when you do it its like breaking for most of us at least 18+ years of habits haha. But it isn't impossible I defiantly had to change in High School I forced it and it becomes part of you. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On December 21 2012 10:42 rasnj wrote: It also makes it possible to recognize and learn something about yourself. It is clear to many people that they are introverted or extroverted before being introduced to the idea in a way like this thread does. If you suppress the debate you get people (especially children) questioning themselves and asking "Is something wrong with me for not wanting to socialize? Will I ever be successful? Does anyone else feel like I do? Is there a way to deal with it?" The recognition of the idea of introversion helps people deal with this kind of stuff. What advantage does saying to a child "It's OK because you're introverted" have over simply "It's OK!"? It is all a matter of trying to understand yourself and understand others. You can then accept yourself as you are and recognize where your boundaries are. Boundaries are self-created. How does limiting yourself to boundaries of accepted identities help you? If you recognize that you are an introvert and have trouble socializing at parties then you can look up some of the litterature like the ones given in the OP which may very well help you. If you didn't know about introversion or didn't bother to label it, then it would much harder to understand how others in a similar situation successfully dealt with the problem you are having. You're absolutely right, it can be useful the way things are. I just think things could be better XD I think maybe I got a little too defensive in responding to you and am sorry for that, but I still feel the dichotomy is a useful one for many people. You're probably right. Thanks for the dialog.  | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
So I'm definitely an introvert, but I definitely already knew that as well. And although I generally don't talk unless there's a specific reason, when I get to know people really well that can change. | ||
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