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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 16 2017 17:22 GMT
#142601
Just wait till next January when the price tags on his Mar a Lago trips and security for his tower come out. Will put this whole thing in hilarious perspective.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-16 17:35:21
March 16 2017 17:34 GMT
#142602
That's going to be a heinously large number. Also includes all travel of his family including sons' business trips etc. Also his weekly golf outings.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 16 2017 17:38 GMT
#142603
On March 17 2017 01:47 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I suppose I should post this since the endowment for the arts is on the chopping block


Wow.
This is amazing. Some comments of his would probably called out for "supporting snowflake culture" by some ... people today but that was just beautiful.
passive quaranstream fan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2017 17:40 GMT
#142604
On March 17 2017 02:38 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 01:47 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I suppose I should post this since the endowment for the arts is on the chopping block

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q

Wow.
This is amazing. Some comments of his would probably called out for "supporting snowflake culture" by some ... people today but that was just beautiful.

I often cite this video as evidence of how congress used to work before the “Contract With America” era.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-16 17:45:30
March 16 2017 17:43 GMT
#142605
On March 17 2017 01:45 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 01:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On March 17 2017 00:46 warding wrote:
What happened to Trump's isolationism and the "Wouldn't it be nice if we got along with Russia" stance? Why would a US that is friendly with current antagonists and tendentiously isolationist need a 10% hike in military spending?


If you're going to burn foreign alliances with isolationism a larger military becomes quite necessary. Afghanistan would have gone quite a bit more poorly than it did (and it already didn't go great) without NATO assistance, for example.

Why would you be in Afghanistan in the first place if you were pursuing an isolationist foreign policy? You need a far smaller military if you stop concerning yourself with policing world affairs. Unless the balance of power collapses as a result of your disengagement forcing you to re-engage in a much more costly fashion.


Because other parts of the world, particularly parts of the world with grudges, don't care at all about what the current president has done in comparison with past occupation of a holy land, sanctions killing hundreds of thousands of children, and the like. It's not like 9/11 had anything to do with what Bush did in office, after all. And isolationism apparently fits with drone strikes in the current U.S. vernacular, which doesn't help.

That, and there's a reason "speak softly and carry a big stick" was a thing.

Plus, Trump is also pushing an an intervention-based anti-ISIS agenda (still haven't heard the plans of those generals) including pitching "surprise attacks" during the campaign. That's pretty much what Afghanistan was, only with allies and somewhat proper rules of engagement with the Taliban.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-16 18:32:24
March 16 2017 18:28 GMT
#142606


A good series of tweets:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 16 2017 18:33 GMT
#142607
On March 16 2017 23:11 Nevuk wrote:
Why is it that 50$ billion on military spending with no explanation of how to pay for it is viewed as fiscally responsible by republicans, but the same amount on health care must be laid out line by line? Or even Bernie sanders college plan, which would've cost the same amount.


maybe trump plans to pay for it with recovered corporate taxes like the $2B from caterpillar

ww.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/Business/2017/0304/Why-tax-authorities-just-raided-Caterpillar]CSMonitor

Caterpillar’s problems with tax authorities dates back to 2009, when a former executive filed a lawsuit claiming that the company improperly attributed to its Geneva subsidiary some $5.6 billion in profits made from shipments originating at its Illinois branch, allegedly allowing it to skirt about $2 billion in US taxes over a ten-year period, notes Bloomberg.

The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3209 Posts
March 16 2017 18:42 GMT
#142608
PolitiFact points out that Trump got the idea that he was wiretapped based off of a NYT headline that read "Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides." However he didn't actually read the article itself because it never said that the feds wiretapped Trump Tower, nor did they target him or his campaign.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 16 2017 18:45 GMT
#142609
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3209 Posts
March 16 2017 18:49 GMT
#142610
So, uh, I guess that means Captain America: Winter Soldier was based on a true story? At least the subplot about Nazis taking over the government from the shadows...
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 16 2017 18:55 GMT
#142611
On March 17 2017 03:49 LightSpectra wrote:
So, uh, I guess that means Captain America: Winter Soldier was based on a true story? At least the subplot about Nazis taking over the government from the shadows...

Captain America would explain the need to up the military spending.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 16 2017 19:03 GMT
#142612
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2017 19:03 GMT
#142613
On March 17 2017 03:55 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 03:49 LightSpectra wrote:
So, uh, I guess that means Captain America: Winter Soldier was based on a true story? At least the subplot about Nazis taking over the government from the shadows...

Captain America would explain the need to up the military spending.

If 50 billion gets us flying aircraft carriers and robot suits, Trump has my support.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 16 2017 19:08 GMT
#142614
What in the hell is going on in this administration? It's some weird mix of anti-semitism combined with pro-israel politics. How awkward must Kushner feel in there?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2017 19:20 GMT
#142615
On March 17 2017 04:08 Tachion wrote:
What in the hell is going on in this administration? It's some weird mix of anti-semitism combined with pro-israel politics. How awkward must Kushner feel in there?

I’m sure its fine if you are “one of the good ones.” Plus what is there to worry about when all the fear mongering is focused on Muslims and immigrants?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 16 2017 19:21 GMT
#142616
On March 17 2017 04:08 Tachion wrote:
What in the hell is going on in this administration? It's some weird mix of anti-semitism combined with pro-israel politics. How awkward must Kushner feel in there?

He has made his family $400 million less than two months into the administration...so not that bad I am guessing.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3209 Posts
March 16 2017 19:22 GMT
#142617
I really hope something becomes of this scandal beyond "Trump advisor resigns, approval rates remain stable."

I mean... a fucking Nazi. Seriously. Unintentionally (or not?) putting a Nazi on your advisory team isn't an "oops, teehee, my bad", that's grounds for dismissal. The only comparable example I can think of is Willy Brandt, former Chancellor of West Germany, resigning because one of his aides was a member of the Stasi.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 16 2017 19:24 GMT
#142618
I'm pretty sure Kushner sold his feelings long ago.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 16 2017 19:38 GMT
#142619
Trump's 2018 budget reduces discretionary budget authority by a whopping...$13.6 billion, or 1.2%. (Compared to 2017 appropriations)

Since I saw them described as massive and Kristof of the NYT drew comparisons to the dark ages. He's not going to drain the swamp and he's going to end up raising entitlements and spending without a doubt, calm yourselves.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2017 19:42 GMT
#142620
Trumps Budget is a pipe dream sent to congress anyways. And apparently we spend +$400 million on military marching bands a year. Makes defunding the NEA to save money seem like poor budgeting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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