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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 17 2017 06:53 dankobanana wrote: I'd say this budget will hurt america more than any terrorist attack. Well there was this one terrorist attack that got us into two multi-trillion dollar wars. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On March 17 2017 06:57 LegalLord wrote: Well there was this one terrorist attack that got us into two multi-trillion dollar wars. considering the military is the biggest subsidy program in the USA I'd say it wasnt that bad :D you guys got a chance to rebuild some infrastracture. not at home though | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2017 06:57 LegalLord wrote: Well there was this one terrorist attack that got us into two multi-trillion dollar wars. That's not entirely accurate, is it now. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Yeah, technically it was 3 wars because we are still at war with a military tactic. Or emotion, depending on who you ask | ||
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:13 Nevuk wrote: Yeah, technically it was 3 wars because we are still at war with a military tactic. Or emotion, depending on who you ask Wars on "noun"s are amazing. They always work well and make things better for everyone involved. And they totally succeed in getting rid of "noun" Also, i don't know how serious the people involved in this quotechain are, but i am quite certain that you can't blame other people for your reactions to stuff they do. If i piss on your carpet, and you decide to blow up the house in response to that, you really can't blame me for blowing up the house. If you want to blame someone for the shitty wars the US got into, blame the US, or more specifically, the Bush administration. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:13 Nevuk wrote: Yeah, technically it was 3 wars because we are still at war with a military tactic. Or emotion, depending on who you ask Never forget those killed in the neverending war on Christmas. | ||
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m4ini
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Strictly true, perhaps not. Effectively true, I would say yes. It's rather likely that said wars would not have happened without said terrorist attack. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote: I just would like someone to spell it out. Which three wars: afghanistan, the "war on terror", and..? What third war did happen as a direct response/reaction to 9/11? Iraq............ | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Thank you. It's an idiotic thing to say considering that you bombed Iraq under clinton three years prior to the war already under the same bullshit justification, but hey. Who am i to judge someone who says "the terrorist attack three years after we bombed shit is responsible for, well, us bombing shit afterwards". | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:24 m4ini wrote: Thank you. It's an idiotic thing to say considering that you bombed Iraq under clinton three years prior to the war already under the same bullshit justification, but hey. Who am i to judge someone who says "the terrorist attack three years after we bombed shit is responsible for, well, us bombing shit afterwards". Mind you, if you think it was a stupid justification for bombing Iraq, there are few who would disagree. The Iraq matter, however, was clearly a derivative project that was inspired in a large part by the first war and by 9/11. Yes, the arguments came well after the actual decision was made. But would it have worked without 9/11? Arguable. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:24 Tachion wrote: Well at least the U.S. won the war on drugs. I'm not sure about that, Sessions is looking start another battle to prolong the war. Also, I'm assuming that by "the US winning" you mean legalizing it for the people of the US. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:24 m4ini wrote: Thank you. It's an idiotic thing to say considering that you bombed Iraq under clinton three years prior to the war already under the same bullshit justification, but hey. Who am i to judge someone who says "the terrorist attack three years after we bombed shit is responsible for, well, us bombing shit afterwards". Are from the UK? I seem to remember that you are from the UK for some reason. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:24 Tachion wrote: Well at least the U.S. won the war on drugs. With Trump I am certain that we are on the cusp of winning the war on solvency. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:28 a_flayer wrote: I'm not sure about that, Sessions is looking start another battle to prolong the war. Also, I'm assuming that by "the US winning" you mean legalizing it for the people of the US. It was sarcasm, sorry. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:27 LegalLord wrote: Mind you, if you think it was a stupid justification for bombing Iraq, there are few who would disagree. The Iraq matter, however, was clearly a derivative project that was inspired in a large part by the first war and by 9/11. Yes, the arguments came well after the actual decision was made. But would it have worked without 9/11? Arguable. Arguably it would have, yes. Again, the US bombed Iraq already in 1998 for "WoMD", which is two years after the PNAC called for a forceful removal of Hussein "to spread democracy". The same "organisation" in which people like Cheney, Rumsfeld etc were members. If you want to argue that the Iraq war would never have happened without 9/11, be my guest. You're wrong on that front, but feel free to. The "war on terror" and most likely the afghanistan invasion wouldn't have happened without 9/11. So if you say that 9/11 started two (or three, if you count war against a doctrine), no, that's not entirely correct. One would've happened either way. sidenote: even without Iraq, i'm not actually arguing your original point. 9/11 was more expensive by magnitudes than anything trump could do to you now. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2017 07:29 Plansix wrote: Are from the UK? I seem to remember that you are from the UK for some reason. What exactly would that have to do with anything i just said? I live in the UK. | ||
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KwarK
United States42778 Posts
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