EPTyou know what they say about a woman scorned. the gop really pissed off hillary and i wouldn't put it past her to have some devious plan to screw them over big time.
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
you know what they say about a woman scorned. the gop really pissed off hillary and i wouldn't put it past her to have some devious plan to screw them over big time. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On March 24 2016 00:54 Ghanburighan wrote: Just a reminder that socialist =/= social democrat. The latter is a separate political movement that has evolved away from socialism. Also, while you're singing the praises of the term socialist, I'd like to remind you that there are people in the world who suffered and bled to get that label detached from their governments (look up what USSR stands for). My family had casualties as well. There are many such families in the US, even if a lot of people seem to be forgetting it. It's insensitive and a half to try to whitewash the term when it's associated with so much historical baggage. Just to point this out, Hesari (the most respected newspaper in Finland) has also written several pieces about how weird Sanders' choice of terminology is (even if his policies don't seem weird to them). Just to make this clear, Social Democrats are a well respected political movement, whether it's in the former USSR territories or Scandinavia. I'd have no qualms about voting for them (I'm not saying that I have or have not.) But calling yourself a socialist is offensive to many people and it's weird that people are willing to forget this so easily. I agree a lot with this. Even in Norway, 'socialist' is a word with quite some baggage. Currently, our 'socialist left party' is polling around 4%, our labor party (social democrat) is at 33%. And historically, the former is a kinda fringe party (granted, there have been two parties even further left with parliamentary representation) with quite strong anti-american sentiments (party originated from a segment of labor party that wanted to leave NATO) while the latter is the state-building unifying responsible party of responsible governance. Occasionally I actually get the feeling that Sanders identifies more with our socialist left party than our social democrat party (I primarily get this impression from hearing him speak on the history of american foreign policy - when he talks about Kissinger, Pinochet coup or support for sandinistas it's like something you hear from socialist left supporters in Norway). In the american context, this is absurd because even our social democrat party is politically quite far left from the american democrat party. Like, nationalization of natural resources, no private education (exception for certain pedagogical models but no for-profit schools).. On policy, Sanders is certainly more like our social democratic party, but not necessarily rhetorically. Incidentally, my brother is a former member of parliament for our socialist left party, and I did at one point suggest to him (during a period of time where their support was plunging from ~10% to ~5%) that they ought to change the name to 'solidary left party' because this term has only positive connotations and socialist has such negative associations with communism that it genuinely hurts them. But to no avail, as him and the rest of the party are largely ideologues who genuinely believe in the socialist model- although they have also modernized and aren't in any way opposed to private property - they are extremely supportive of worker company-ownership models though.  | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
maybe i've tried to talk sense into some of these dudes for too long so it's a sort of trigger for me to see this type of behavior in the mainstream. natural resource nationalization is a pretty good starting point though. should work on that | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 24 2016 08:56 oneofthem wrote: what part of it is not true? the bernie group is valuing their own vision over the general success of the party by sabotaging the leading candidate in a way that would seriously depress enthusiasm. In fairness, there never has been much enthusiasm for Hillary, which is her biggest liability. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 24 2016 09:05 ticklishmusic wrote: I have yet to find a single, reputable news source that has stories of actual registration problems in Arizona. And seriously, if your reason for that is "because the MSM is a bunch of shills" that's not good enough. You know what else you won't find the MSM covering? That they grossly misrepresented the results and they have since just tried to gloss over it/cover it up. The first and last image is from CNN and the rest are from MSNBC but they all had the same information going onscreen. Here's when people noticed something was sketchy: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/skhR2Ke.jpg) Then it proceeded to get sketchier ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rjlbO7l.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FlahdXR.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qNSxlRA.jpg) CURRENT TALLY: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aqD0yu4.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wdZ3VJL.jpg) You really don't get it do you? They haven't said anything about the problematic results from Maricopa at all either. They aren't reporting election news, they are reporting election propaganda. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:09 xDaunt wrote: In fairness, there never has been much enthusiasm for Hillary, which is her biggest liability. she's been in government for too long. back in the day she was able to rally the troops well, but the new generation don't have a clue what she went through in the 90's. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2016 09:05 ticklishmusic wrote: I have yet to find a single, reputable news source that has stories of actual registration problems in Arizona. And seriously, if your reason for that is "because the MSM is a bunch of shills" that's not good enough. You know what else you won't find the MSM covering? That they grossly misrepresented the results and they have since just tried to gloss over it/cover it up. The first and last image is from CNN and the rest are from MSNBC but they all had the same information going onscreen. Here's when people noticed something was sketchy: + Show Spoiler + Then it proceeded to get sketchier CURRENT TALLY: + Show Spoiler + You really don't get it do you? They haven't said anything about the problematic results from Maricopa at all either. They aren't reporting election news, they are reporting election propaganda. I don't get why 71% is not enough to call Clinton the projected winner. It seems like a reasonable thing to do. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:25 ticklishmusic wrote: Do you not understand that typically having 71% is typically enough to make a call? You understand the call (albeit at minimum rude to do with people in line for 5+ more hours) isn't what I'm pointing out or do you not maths? or are you just intentionally being obtuse? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:26 GreenHorizons wrote: You understand the call (albeit at minimum rude to do with people in line for 5+ more hours) isn't what I'm pointing out or do you not maths? or are you just intentionally being obtuse? They made the call because it made sense to do it. Also, note how it says projected winner. You're channeling Karl Rove and Ohio right here. I do wonder if he ever regrets that meltdown on Fox. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:31 ticklishmusic wrote: They made the call because it made sense to do it. You're channeling Karl Rove and Ohio right here. I do wonder if he ever regrets that meltdown on Fox. You have to be being intentionally obtuse at this point. Not only did I not mention the call in the original post but I just said that's not what I was even talking about yet 2x that is what you have responded to without even mentioning the obviously bad math you're looking at and refusing to acknowledge. Worse yet you actually site the (clearly not) 71% as a reasonable point about the call which I wasn't even arguing. Here I thought you had a shred of intellectual integrity left, my bad. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On March 24 2016 09:51 oneofthem wrote: ^agreed. with sanders the use of socialism is a signal of his intellectual tribe, rather than any meaningful statement about his positions. maybe i've tried to talk sense into some of these dudes for too long so it's a sort of trigger for me to see this type of behavior in the mainstream. natural resource nationalization is a pretty good starting point though. should work on that I genuinely believe that natural resource nationalization is one of the most important aspects of Norway's success as a country. If offshore oil drilling had become privatized in the 60's, there is absolutely no way we'd have the equitable society we have today. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:14 oneofthem wrote: she's been in government for too long. back in the day she was able to rally the troops well, but the new generation don't have a clue what she went through in the 90's. I think you have it backwards. People know exactly "what she went through in the 90s." It's not an accident that everyone thinks that she is a liar and political hack. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:33 GreenHorizons wrote: You have to be being intentionally obtuse at this point. Not only did I not mention the call in the original post but I just said that's not what I was even talking about yet 2x that is what you have responded to without even mentioning the obviously bad math you're looking at and refusing to acknowledge. Worse yet you actually site the (clearly not) 71% as a reasonable point about the call which I wasn't even arguing. Here I thought you had a shred of intellectual integrity left, my bad. The numbers get changed based on information as it comes in. Again, I fail to see the problem.The final result, unless Google is tricking me, is 57.6 to 39.9. It's not very different from any of the numbers on the screen, so I have no idea what you're trying to litigate. To be called stupid by... well, someone like you, frankly, it means nothing to me. You can save your breath for that. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote: You know what else you won't find the MSM covering? That they grossly misrepresented the results and they have since just tried to gloss over it/cover it up. The first and last image is from CNN and the rest are from MSNBC but they all had the same information going onscreen. Here's when people noticed something was sketchy: + Show Spoiler + Then it proceeded to get sketchier CURRENT TALLY: + Show Spoiler + You really don't get it do you? They haven't said anything about the problematic results from Maricopa at all either. They aren't reporting election news, they are reporting election propaganda. Oh no, a single number on screen was not being updates and 9% more votes changed the outcome by a percentage point. Cry havoc ectect... No there was not a massive propaganda conspiracy to hide the fact that Bernie got 38 instead of 37% of the votes. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously anymore. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:39 Gorsameth wrote: Oh no, a single number on screen was not being updates and 9% more votes changed the outcome by a percentage point. Cry havoc ectect... No there was not a massive propaganda conspiracy to hide the fact that Bernie got 38 instead of 37% of the votes. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously anymore. omfg. It WAS being updated, see how they added 10's of thousands of votes and the %-in went down 1%, this blindness to obvious deception is nauseating. Maricopa county is saying ~32k people voted yesterday, if you believe that too I've got a bridge to sell you. Every election night all of the networks have drilled into those numbers like there was diamonds wrapped in gold in there. Yesterday they completely ignored how they were adding 10's of thousands of votes yet the %-in wasn't changing... I honestly can't believe this is even a dispute. EDIT: + Show Spoiler + and it's already 40% Not to mention local leaders are calling for federal investigations. Not that those upstanding news orgs are reporting on it. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:41 GreenHorizons wrote: omfg. It WAS being updated, see how they added 10's of thousands of votes and the %-in went down 1%, this blindness to obvious deception is nauseating. Maricopa county is saying ~32k people voted yesterday, if you believe that too I've got a bridge to sell you. Sigh, read. 1 number was not updated (the % reported in). the actual votes went up by 9% resulting in a 1 % chance in votes. "Massive conspiracy to hide a single percentage point" | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:38 xDaunt wrote: I think you have it backwards. People know exactly "what she went through in the 90s." It's not an accident that everyone thinks that she is a liar and political hack. eh i was talking about liberal younglings. they would not take the gop view of that period. that bernie is tapping into rather than help defuse this popular but ill founded image of hillary is deeply unfortunate | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 24 2016 10:45 Gorsameth wrote: Sigh, read. 1 number was not updated (the % reported in). the actual votes went up by 9% resulting in a 1 % chance in votes. "Massive conspiracy to hide a single percentage point" Besides ignoring all the problems with how many votes were cast vs how many people are saying you're not even getting the numbers right, it was 3%... We all know the psychological affect induced by showing someone $39 vs $40 too. Though again that's not even what I'm talking about. | ||
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