EPTNazi-Uprising in Present Day Germany - Page 5
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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xafies
Greece78 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:34 DemigodcelpH wrote: It's a very scary thing. Movement based on hate and separation will always self-destruct though; their paradigm commands it. When Neo-Nazis or similar hate groups say "We hate Jews and people who look different than us" and etc, what they're really saying is "We solve problems with hate and violence". Are you insinuating that Jews are problems? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:35 danl9rm wrote: Why is it, then, that many still contend education will solve all ills? The first thing I hear when there are problems like this is, "We need more education!" Certainly it helps, but is it really the issue? wut are you talking about. education efforts are not evenly spread and usually the ones that slip thorugh the crack are the problems. | ||
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
Though, I think most overlook the fact that a good deal of that power was rooted in the propaganda and theatrics of a weakling. Hitler was a cookie-cutter narcissist who used people as tools to try to accomplish unrealistic goals. Then he killed himself when it was time to face the music. Not a great role model. | ||
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WP_Insanity
Germany33 Posts
1) Young Neo-Nazis who truly believe in the third reich in the the way it was under hitlers dictatorship because of bad education and the will to have a different and extreme opinion to separate from others. 2) People who dont like the situation who are sick of the "empty talk" of politicians think NPD can change something with their aggressive attitude. These People often dont really think about that it could end in another third reich thought. 3) Older people who have the "back then everything was better" mindset. So how can this change? I think 3) will solved by time itself. Solving 2) should be the task of the big partys and/or the way the media presents stuff (media seems biased in politic stuff anyways, so why not in a good direction?). What about 1? Well to be honest i dont think you can completly rule out the problem but that should be fine. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:35 danl9rm wrote: Why is it, then, that many still contend education will solve all ills? The first thing I hear when there are problems like this is, "We need more education!" Certainly it helps, but is it really the issue? You realise that, internally at least, Europe has never been so peaceful as it has these past couple decades, right? Education doesn't remove all problems, but it does help combat them. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
Muslims and europeans cant mix. perhaps its a temporary thing but its excalating quickly. With breivik being the latest & biggest example. Alot of small stuff happens pretty much everyday. In denmark the latest news is that a community with a majority of muslim voted down christmas for the christian minority. They apparently just spend around $10,000 on an EID fest and wont spend around $1,000 on an x-mas tree. | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:32 Velr wrote: I think this is mainly a cause of there not being a (big) anti-EU party.. So protest voters have to go somewhere... Whats left? NPD nutjobs. But they don't, that's the point. Recently the NPD had a lower turnout than say 8 years ago (When their federal turnout was also just 1.6%). I very much doubt they will manage anything close to that in the elections next year. | ||
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xSTaRFiSHx
Germany176 Posts
I can really understand them... | ||
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saintforsale
18 Posts
There will be no takeover in germany or indeed anywhere of actual neo-nazis. That brand is burned... The second is that the constant information about nazi crimes which is a fact of life when growing up german speaking (G, A, CH). Not even ridicule of the nazis is allowed in a polite discussion, because it might detract from the crimes which are the fundation of the self consciousness of german speaking nations. This has lead to a curious attraction to the nazis by the rejects of society, mainly for their achievements. Since a "normal" relation towards this part of our history is impossible and the barrage of documentories special features and generally feeling sorry for that part of our history is what you are subjected to, some individuals reject it outright and become neo nazies. But i would classify the phenomenon of actual neo nazies as a fringe, more akin to satanism than a political movement empowering themselves by identifying with societies absolute evil. The New right (LePen, Haider, Wilders, EDF) is a much bigger threat and they stay well away from actual nazi symbols, which is what makes them dangerous. Greece is a special case however... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:41 zatic wrote: But they don't, that's the point. Recently the NPD had a lower turnout than say 8 years ago (When their federal turnout was also just 1.6%). I very much doubt they will manage anything close to that in the elections next year. this exactly. No idea how they're getting those 9%. If that'd be the case the nutjobs should have more people supporting them, shouldn't they? And I'd say there's already a bunch of deluded idiots in there who have no idea what they're doing and just want to do something different/weird for the sake of doing something different/weird. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:36 WP_Insanity wrote: I think you can separate the followers of the NPD in roughly 3 groups: 1) Young Neo-Nazis who truly believe in the third reich in the the way it was under hitlers dictatorship because of bad education and the will to have a different and extreme opinion to separate from others. 2) People who dont like the situation who are sick of the "empty talk" of politicians think NPD can change something with their aggressive attitude. These People often dont really think about that it could end in another third reich thought. 3) Older people who have the "back then everything was better" mindset. So how can this change? I think 3) will solved by time itself. Solving 2) should be the task of the big partys and/or the way the media presents stuff (media seems biased in politic stuff anyways, so why not in a good direction?). What about 1? Well to be honest i dont think you can completly rule out the problem but that should be fine. What "Good old times" would older people remember? The 20s? The 30s? The 6 years of war, 10 years of rebuilding destroyed cities and 40 years of US and Soviet occupation? Or are there like, 130 year olds I haven't heard of that still remember the days of Wilhelms. | ||
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
increasing crisis = increasing extremist party. You can educate people as much as you want, if your people struggle to get a decent living condition (a job that can allow them to take care of their family and such), they will embrace extremist option for most of them. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
1-3% !!!!!!!!!!!! we make like we will die all when they sometimes get 5% in the poorest cities of the whole country and get in the parlament ... damn i saw a card of right parties and their % with colors in europe, germany was the only one white with <5% ... i never meet a nazi in 26 years ... well ofc every day in news because ... STOP | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
What we need is proper handling on issues of immigration etc, which lets voters make a clear stance. You don't have to be a xenophobe to realize immigration is a big issue which can be handled in many different ways. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
And how can you blame them? Look at the economic situation in Europe. Two years ago we had the greatest recession since the Great Depression and it hit Europe just as hard. Germany is having to pick up all the slack for the rest of the EU and it's starting to get to them, and some people are looking back at how NSDAP saved the German Economy 80 years ago. With that said, I do not believe Nazi-ism is the answer to any economic issue nor do I think National Socialism is a good economic system for anything other than a wartime economy, but I think that might play into the mindset of some of these people. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
Anyway, its a downright shame that the Germans havent been able to eradicate Nazism completely but ultimately its just a manifestation of human asshattery and that never goes out of style, at best it can be suppressed. Quite frankly, I am not a fan of Germans but I always respect their ability to come to terms with WW2 and do it in a responsible manner. Much better than the Japanese, the Canadians the Americans, the Brits or the Russians re: whole sale slaughter and/or enslavement of people. As for the whole "Nazis will rise up and replay WW2" that ship has sailed. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On November 13 2012 01:51 Fruscainte wrote: I just want to play devils advocate for a moment but maybe it's a bit hard not to look back at the early days of the Nazi Regime and see how it could be beneficial in some ways. Perhaps some of these people are not so much for the killing of jews and antisemitism but for the National Socialism and the absolutely unprecedented and, in my opinion, still unmatched level of economic growth it gave for the German people. And how can you blame them? Look at the economic situation in Europe. Two years ago we had the greatest recession since the Great Depression and it hit Europe just as hard. Germany is having to pick up all the slack for the rest of the EU and it's starting to get to them, and some people are looking back at how NSDAP saved the German Economy 80 years ago. With that said, I do not believe Nazi-ism is the answer to any economic issue nor do I think National Socialism is a good economic system for anything other than a wartime economy, but I think that might play into the mindset of some of these people. Ya. Except, the economic growth did not benefit the people. All that the Nazis managed to do was run up their inflation and put a lot of guys to 'work' by getting them into uniforms or into factories making the uniforms and tanks. Private businesses whose bosses were so cooperative with the Nazis benefited on paper but even they werent allowed to use their wealth for anything but reinvestment back into the armaments industry. By 1936 the German experiment was running out of cash. The annexations of Austria and the Czech portions of Czechoslovakia transferred valuable loot to the Germans that kept them going. So did the Soviet-Nazi pact. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
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