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On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario.
Im actually just playing devils advocate.
My brother and I were having a good debate the other night about what should have happened to Germany after World War 2 and the happenings of war with that country. We did some fact checking etc etc, and were actually surprised to see how strong a military a country like Germany has, considering its historic past. We were surprised that the deaths of literally millions at the hand of a single country really didn't affect their future since the war, especially since early 1990. I actually played the opposite roll in that argument. But my brother did make some very good points, which are in this thread already. What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed. That did nothing as the concentration camps within eye sight burned trainedloads of people. These people are the genetic makup which is the current german citizen. As much as I argued around it, it was a standing point which was fact. It happened, there were survivors, and those survivors lived on, procreated, and 2 and 3 generations later is where they are genetically.
Now, I see your post was an attempt to poke at Americans, their war efforts and involvements, etc etc, in an effort to frustrate or infuriate me. You won't get that much pleasure from me. I might be Canadian, and the USA might be my neighbor to the south, but I could care less for them as a general populous, personally speaking.
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having open dialogue on the facts of the nazis is not really the issue when you have people focusing on the glorious industrial recovery when that recovery has huge costs. if these people think a couple years of full employment is the primary historical legacy of naziism, clearly we need more factual dialogue!
as far as i know public education on nazi history does not employ distorting information. it is just presented to get people to accept the moral depravity that national-racial politics can bring. it is a value building exercise.
of course, for those who resist such humane values, they will resist this education as indoctrination. but at this point, they are the problem.
this does not apply to those who would rather see everything as cultural aesthetics and pine for the glory days of kings and serfs.
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On November 13 2012 12:05 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Im actually just playing devils advocate. My brother and I were having a good debate the other night about what should have happened to Germany after World War 2 and the happenings of war with that country. We did some fact checking etc etc, and were actually surprised to see how strong a military a country like Germany has, considering its historic past. We were surprised that the deaths of literally millions at the hand of a single country really didn't affect their future since the war, especially since early 1990. I actually played the opposite roll in that argument. But my brother did make some very good points, which are in this thread already. What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed. That did nothing as the concentration camps within eye sight burned trainedloads of people. These people are the genetic makup which is the current german citizen. As much as I argued around it, it was a standing point which was fact. It happened, there were survivors, and those survivors lived on, procreated, and 2 and 3 generations later is where they are genetically. Now, I see your post was an attempt to poke at Americans, their war efforts and involvements, etc etc, in an effort to frustrate or infuriate me. You won't get that much pleasure from me. I might be Canadian, and the USA might be my neighbor to the south, but I could care less for them as a general populous, personally speaking.
your ancestors probably did something similar, as did mine. this is not a genetics problem and punitive measures for populations after wars is a demonstrably terrible idea.
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I suppose there are people who have walked into nazi-influence, regardless of financial circumstances but, aside from that, I would just say to possible targets of nazi-type influence, not to buy into the ignorant idea that it's the "foreigners" fault, for being "immigrants" that "steal" money. It's just an alibi/distraction. What happens when the states and persons are switched, and any given country could say the same to opposite of said-country-natives. Oh sorry russia, you told us to get out and that immigrants shouldn't work in a country that they didn't live in for a certain amount of time. It's not righteous nor is it moral or principle related. It could be any given country, if they have few jobs, employers have hired persons who are willing to work for less. It's not just "immigrants" who work for less. If there were no immigrants, there would still be people willing to work for little. What can they say then? They would still find something to get angry about and justify killing and violence in general. They are just angry and their poor sense of self-awareness in terms of pride and humility/fairness is what is blinding them and fueling their aggressive abuse toward other men/women. Not to mention everyone is an immigrant. And the idea of immigrant/foreigner vs native born has to end since we populate ONE single space, and last time I heard, we all came from one source, or one person. This is a mix of arrogance, superiority complex, pride, or if you think that's all the same thing, regardless, it's just that. A person can either be a selfish brat or a helper in terms of human relationships and humanity as a whole. And if you think about the implications of what it means that someone will suddenly force all "races", to go "back to their home land", according to color/background, and to stay there, think about the disproportionate population/land ratio. Japan: Russia. It just doesn't make sense to kick people out of the country blaming it on economy, especially if you would do the same thing and attempt to find work elsewhere. Justifying deportation and violence with financial situation? It's not even about immigrants, the problem is many individual persons thinking they deserve something, when the aren't even willing to work as hard as another person, and thinking self-righteously while oblivious to one's own parasitic ways. It's not just in large-scale interaction, but exhibited in the instance of a family relationship, you have siblings, and one is willing to work, the other isn't, one thinks higher of her/himself, one doesn't, one is selfish and doesn't like to share, etc.. It's just dumb. What more is there to be said. I just think of the parents and how they raised them, how they were, and the influences that surrounded persons of such mentality. Who knows how it happens, but people pick up very bad way of life and relations toward others. Nazi-type entities spring up from simpler inequities that linger in a person, which are supposed to be dealt with, growing up as a child.
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On November 13 2012 12:05 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Im actually just playing devils advocate. My brother and I were having a good debate the other night about what should have happened to Germany after World War 2 and the happenings of war with that country. We did some fact checking etc etc, and were actually surprised to see how strong a military a country like Germany has, considering its historic past. We were surprised that the deaths of literally millions at the hand of a single country really didn't affect their future since the war, especially since early 1990. I actually played the opposite roll in that argument. But my brother did make some very good points, which are in this thread already. What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed. That did nothing as the concentration camps within eye sight burned trainedloads of people. These people are the genetic makup which is the current german citizen. As much as I argued around it, it was a standing point which was fact. Now, I see your post was an attempt to poke at Americans, their war efforts and involvements, etc etc, in an effort to frustrate or infuriate me. You won't get that much pleasure from me. I might be Canadian, and the USA might be my neighbor to the south, but I could care less for them as a general populous, personally speaking.
Well, you did not check your facts thoroughly, let me tell you that. Germany has a "relatively" strong military (with 60 years old APCs which actually are in Afghanistan right now), but then again, look for what its used. Our military spendings are actually influenced directly and indirectly by the US, forcing soldiers and equipment into foreign countries (which we never wanted to do in the first place).
I don't even go into the stupid "statement" of how it does/did not affect our future at all (you may want to check up on that), i'm sorry, but that's just not worth my time.
Your populistic speech on what germany did in WW2 is kinda pointless, we paid our toll (and we still pay). I'm not responsible for what happened 60 years ago. Neither is any other dude out of my or the last generation. So what do i care.
PS: Hitler was not elected, but i'm kinda not surprised that you did not mention that. Would make your statement look less shiny, you know.
Oh and also, i dont need to poke at americans. I went to war for them, which was based on a lie. Pretty much like the invasion of Poland in 39. So yeah, im still pissed because of that, i lost friends because of that.
Edit: not to mention the fact that your "math" about our spendings for military is pretty much flawed.
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On November 13 2012 12:05 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Im actually just playing devils advocate. My brother and I were having a good debate the other night about what should have happened to Germany after World War 2 and the happenings of war with that country. We did some fact checking etc etc, and were actually surprised to see how strong a military a country like Germany has, considering its historic past. We were surprised that the deaths of literally millions at the hand of a single country really didn't affect their future since the war, especially since early 1990. I actually played the opposite roll in that argument. But my brother did make some very good points, which are in this thread already. What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed. That did nothing as the concentration camps within eye sight burned trainedloads of people. These people are the genetic makup which is the current german citizen. As much as I argued around it, it was a standing point which was fact. It happened, there were survivors, and those survivors lived on, procreated, and 2 and 3 generations later is where they are genetically. Now, I see your post was an attempt to poke at Americans, their war efforts and involvements, etc etc, in an effort to frustrate or infuriate me. You won't get that much pleasure from me. I might be Canadian, and the USA might be my neighbor to the south, but I could care less for them as a general populous, personally speaking.
Okay some things. You know how Hitler took the power right? He had like probably a third of the votes. (forbidden parties, nonvoters etc. included). Now there were many of those nazis killed in the war, for obvious reasons. Second, you know there were many families fighting for democracy, hiding jews, etc. You couldn't just revolt at that time (again, obvious reasons). Third, there were rapes and mixups. SO you also can count in americans and russians. And nowadays trough immigration turks ofc  . Now if you go back in history, you will find that there never was a german-type, typical genepool or whatever. Germany was invaded by france several times, by swedes, danes, turks, hungarians, etc. Now when they controlled parts of the country they obviously reproduced, mixing things up basically througout history. If you want to draw your strange conclusion about genetics you could now say that Hitler was basically all of europes fault and that all those people are probably nazis. 
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On November 13 2012 11:22 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 07:32 mcc wrote:On November 13 2012 07:12 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 06:14 Yuljan wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) Past history of conflicts? You should try a little closer to home if you want a real history of conflicts. Edit: And before accepting the unification the allies wanted a clear declaration that Germany stays in the nato and doesnt become a demilitarized neutral state. From wiki: In December 1989, the administration of President George H. W. Bush made a united Germany's continued NATO membership a requirement for supporting reunification. Kohl agreed, although less than 20% of West Germans supported remaining within NATO closer to home? do tell. Nato you post - why Germany as part of Nato? So the rest of Nato can keep eyes on Germany so if need be, Nato can keep Germany under its thumb like a bug. The problem is your statements are completely ignorant. Germany is much further from being ruled by some extremists than US is. Germany has no way of any military action against its neighbours. You know that they have two nuclear powers just around the corner. And Germany is not nuclear power. Their military spending is pitiful compared to other countries. Plus allies pretty much demanded remilitarization from Germany, no the other way around. Also you seem to have missed last 50 years of history, maybe you should educate yourself before you start your knee-jerk reactions. Au contrair. You need to do your fact checking. German military spending, over 40 Billion (B as in Butter). Compare to your nation with a puny less than 2 Billion. Like the Czech would stand a chance if Germany decided to invade, nuclear power or not. What a feeble argument you make, so easily crushed. Read my former post again. Germany spends more than nearly all its direct neighbors. COMBINED. France is the only exception ot the rule and throws the balance out of wack. If Germany wanted to take a few battalions and squadrons, and go for a march through Czech and through Poland then back home, there isnt sweet all those two countries could do about it other than be a bit of a pest with thier meager 2.5 and 9.1 Billion in military spending to Germany's 43B. They'd slow down the German stroll through the park, but not stop it, not even close.
As said before, most of the spending is wages. The machinery with which the German Army operates is so bad that people nowadays won't even join the military anymore. When we send our troups to Afghanistan, the lack of proper equipment made the average solider spend about 150€ of his own money to ensure atleast modest equipment. Also recent studies found that the German G-36 K becomes highly inaccurate after a certain amount of burst fire. Oh, and on top of that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War Gross-spending is a stupid number ..
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On November 13 2012 06:44 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 06:40 solidbebe wrote:On November 13 2012 06:38 SupLilSon wrote:
I have relatives living in Europe, it's not like the World is completely disconnected in this day and age... Tons of ridiculous racist propaganda and ideology is floating around there. You get the same shit in America or anywhere else but it's usually restricted mostly to uneducated people. In Europe you get highly educated people buying into this crap, which is arguably much more dangerous. Lets gather all of europe which differs immensely in terms of culture, put it into one box and then slap a racism sticker on it. What gives you the idea that high educated people in europe are buying into racist propaganda? It's anecdotal, but one of my cousins who grew up and lives in England is a successful doctor. He also truly believes that Jews run the American media and are the root of all evil. He's not some antisocial nut who has crazy ideas. Him and his friends, who are also educated doctors buy into this propaganda.
Are you sure he said they are the root of all evil, or did he just say they run American media and you used some hyperbole?
How Jewish is Hollywood?
By Joel Stein
I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.
How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.
The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)
The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
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Guys, really? What do military spending, imaginative wars of country X vs Y and Jews in the entertainment industry (or anywhere else) have to do with a supposed "Nazi-Uprising" in Germany?
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On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario.
Pretty sure that's one of the European countries.
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On November 13 2012 14:58 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Pretty sure that's one of the European countries.
Pretty sure it is one of the African countries (might depend on your definition of "war" though)...
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On topic I will say this though: I can in no way understand the people who become neonazis, but it is perfectly within their rights to do so. Having defined our values as we have in the western society you pretty much just have to accept their existence, just as the existence of "borderline" communist parties who advocate a violent revolution, disbandment of the army, police private right to property and the uprising of the working force (the budget for Denmark for next year was only passed due to the votes of such a party). I am tired of people trying to portrait all the extremism to the political right spectrum when the nutcases are equally as prevalent (and with historically a worse trackrecord). At least the neonazis are currently without influence!
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On November 13 2012 14:30 Huyugu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 06:44 SupLilSon wrote:On November 13 2012 06:40 solidbebe wrote:On November 13 2012 06:38 SupLilSon wrote:
I have relatives living in Europe, it's not like the World is completely disconnected in this day and age... Tons of ridiculous racist propaganda and ideology is floating around there. You get the same shit in America or anywhere else but it's usually restricted mostly to uneducated people. In Europe you get highly educated people buying into this crap, which is arguably much more dangerous. Lets gather all of europe which differs immensely in terms of culture, put it into one box and then slap a racism sticker on it. What gives you the idea that high educated people in europe are buying into racist propaganda? It's anecdotal, but one of my cousins who grew up and lives in England is a successful doctor. He also truly believes that Jews run the American media and are the root of all evil. He's not some antisocial nut who has crazy ideas. Him and his friends, who are also educated doctors buy into this propaganda. Are you sure he said they are the root of all evil, or did he just say they run American media and you used some hyperbole? How Jewish is Hollywood?By Joel Stein
I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.
How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.
The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)
The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
1) I don't get how the Jews "running hollywood" has much to do with this thread, and;
2) I never understood why it's a problem? If everyone that ran big film companies were Christians would we be having this conversation? It's not a big deal unless you believe Jews are inherently evil (in which case i pity you).
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Europe has been leaning to the left heavily for quite some time. Its only natural that there be some backlash especially when things arent going well. Of course, its hardly neo-nazism just like "far" left ideologies are hardly communism. Its just a branding by the left influenced moderates and leftists to demonize any sort of right movements.
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Good, evidential analysis of the people that support and prop up the authoritarians that lead these movements.
By Bob Altemeyer, retired Professor of Psychology at the University of Manitoba.
His Website
His Book - The Authoritarians
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On November 13 2012 12:05 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Im actually just playing devils advocate. My brother and I were having a good debate the other night about what should have happened to Germany after World War 2 and the happenings of war with that country. We did some fact checking etc etc, and were actually surprised to see how strong a military a country like Germany has, considering its historic past. We were surprised that the deaths of literally millions at the hand of a single country really didn't affect their future since the war, especially since early 1990. I actually played the opposite roll in that argument. But my brother did make some very good points, which are in this thread already. What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed. That did nothing as the concentration camps within eye sight burned trainedloads of people. These people are the genetic makup which is the current german citizen. As much as I argued around it, it was a standing point which was fact. It happened, there were survivors, and those survivors lived on, procreated, and 2 and 3 generations later is where they are genetically. Now, I see your post was an attempt to poke at Americans, their war efforts and involvements, etc etc, in an effort to frustrate or infuriate me. You won't get that much pleasure from me. I might be Canadian, and the USA might be my neighbor to the south, but I could care less for them as a general populous, personally speaking.
If you put so much stock in genetics you are pretty close to the NAZI ideology of racism, but I have to disagree with you on the importance here. Genes are only the smaller part of the way in which people shape their country and military and the MUCH bigger one is the culture and education.
Because of this you should worry a lot more about your southern neighbors who are "genetically speaking" [replace genetically with culturally to make the statement correct] made up of those selfish people who didnt want to cooperate with the rest of their original european civilizations and sailed to "the promised land" to seek their fortune in america. This has created a country based on selfishness and "might makes right" and I personally fear for the future when they get an ultra-right conservative president. That could be worse than anything that Hitler did due to their much bigger firepower.
Fuck genes, they are only used as scapegoats for idiots who want a blank excuse for everything. Your education and cultural pressure can and will override the bad things in them - if they truly exist - but our western cultures are all about personal freedom now. This is actually worse than genes, that none of our cultures really cares about the global good and you should try to find a good definition for "freedom". I have found one, but wont spoil your effort to find one ...
+ Show Spoiler +At the beginning of the 20th century there was a bright woman called Rosa Luxemburg. She was a german communist who was later on murdered, BUT she warned her russian colleagues that "freedom is always the freedom of those with different political opinions" because they were murdering every non-communist.
Based upon this I think the best definition for freedom is "Freedom is always the freedom of everyone else." So when your own freedom limits the freedom of someone else then you have reached the limit of what you can and should be allowed to do.
Every newborn baby is not much different from an animal. It cares only for itself in the search for food and the attention of its parents. This is good, BUT the selfishness MUST BE unlearned, because our technology is now so advanced and our economy is now so globally intertwined that any screw ups caused by selfish and greedy individuals can ruin the lives of many many many more globally and could potentially wipe out a huge part of nature in their arrogance.
Just take the recent financial crisis. How many people have been the motor for it and how many lives were ruined?
Just imagine what one stupid mistake with genetically manipulated plants could do when they combine with the real nature and form something we didnt foresee. It makes me wonder if we ever learn from our past and stop making the same mistakes over and over again ...
- The Killer Bees which cover south america by now and have moved up to the southern USA were a cross between strong african and productive south american races in an attempt to cut losses and increase productivity.
- The shitload of non-native animals in Australia were imported there to have fun or increase productivity but they cause havoc among the natural flora and fauna.
- The many many floodings on rivers have been caused by draining marsh areas next to them to increase the available farmland.
Please dont tell me these stupid things were done because it is in our human genes; you can decide to NOT DO IT if you are properly educated and your culture has the right "pressure" and "direction" towards a "live and let live attutude". If we dont change ... ALL OF US ... we can kiss this planet goodbye, because eventually some idiots will ruin this spaceship in their hunt for more money. Right now the western world is dominated by the USA ideal of free capitalism and that is one of the most selfish and destructive things that ever existed.
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i always am curious why modern nazis hate jews. what's the basis for this idea?
is it just a tradition thing?
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On November 13 2012 15:30 oneofthem wrote:
i always am curious why nazis hate jews. what's the basis for this idea?
religion. people (christians) hated jews for thousands of years for whatever reasons they could find so it was naturally the first and easiest "race" to hate on
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sorry i meant why modern day nazis hate jews. (the guy above that posted about jews for instance)
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On November 13 2012 15:30 oneofthem wrote:
i always am curious why nazis hate jews. what's the basis for this idea?
After we lost in WW1 Hitler - who was in the army during that time - and others tried to blame others for the loss. There was the "Dolchstosslegende" (that we would have won, but the home front gave up and thus stabbed the glorious military in the back) and Hitler just came up with the jews. That has stuck since then and it is easy to do ... just blame a jew for everything bad that is happening to you is an easy escape. Now its the foreign workers stealing the jobs btw., because "jews" would be too obvious.
So the core is "blame others and dont look accept that life can be tough". It is the same with all the conspiracy theories (about UFOs or 9/11) ... some people cant accept the fact that "bad things can happen without anyone being responsible for them OR that you can make mistakes (like misjudging the strength of your military OR missing the signs for an attack by AlQaeda)". Shit happens sometimes ....
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