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The OP is ridiculous, sounds like he got most of his information from Antifa-leaflets and now he found a Spiegel article, which sadly some people believe is actually worthwhile to read; it's a tabloid with a good reputation for whatever reason.
Neonazis and other extremist ideas become popular among stupid and unemployed people, preferably young and impressionable. Now all you have to do is check how education and (youth-)unemployment are doing in the areas where Nazis get more than 1% of votes, then it becomes obvious that it's really only bad in some areas and even there less than 9% are that stupid.
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On November 13 2012 07:14 mijagi182 wrote:
hmm Christians worse than Hitler and his nazists - this Bible book must be a real hatefest compared to Mein Kampf! Should give it a read :D!
gosh could people be more hateful and delusional...
Actually.... ya, the bible has more hate than Mein Kampf, hate to break it to you.
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i dont think op is trolling, i think he is just young.
young people tend to become fanatics.
fanatic nazi hunter, fanatic animal rights activist, [insert fanatic]. And some even stay in this state when they get older..
the FES (which is of course NOT accepted by international science bodys, even if claimed here) on the other hand uses these people to get attention for their new books and studies.
everybody who ever made a statistic or a survey knows, that you will never get the same numbers when doing such a thing twice.
NEVER.
and a difference of 0.8 percent to their last years survey indicates an "uprising of nazis" in germany"?
now im really shocked.
shocked that people try to manipulate me with fake threads created on teamliquid.
tl;dr
not sure if troll or just stupid.
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On November 13 2012 08:39 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 08:30 esperanto wrote:On November 13 2012 08:13 freewareplayer wrote:Seriously the title of this needs to be changed by either op or mods. Providing additonal information in the OP should be done too. People actually only ready the first post/site and actually take this fox news level exaggeration serious as reflected in the replies that go up to suggesting demilitarizing germany (wtf???). OP should be ashamed to spread such half truths that make us look way worse than we are, as a german, i feel ashamed of how you make us look. On November 13 2012 07:55 esperanto wrote:
I have the feeling some of the ppl here are in denial.
The FES is a well known foundation that is very respected in the science-world. It's not propaganda and its not a Super-Pac. One of the reasons this foundation get money from the government is duo to the fact that they are objective when it comes to their researches.
So no "left-wing blabla"!!!
I have the feeling you are in more than denial or you dont live in germany. FES is a good foundation generally, ive even done volunteer work for them. But this is downright nothing short of fearmongering. about 10 % sympathise with NPD? I want you to go outside now and start asking people, you wont get 9 out of a 100 on an average, straight out bullshit. a lot of people here think they get 9 % of votes http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/208353/umfrage/wahlergebnisse-der-npd-in-den-bundeslaendern/http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/208353/umfrage/wahlergebnisse-der-npd-in-den-bundeslaendern/ that are numbers, and compared to all the right parties in other countries in europe, thats LOW, now stop spreading bullshit about a "NAZI UPRISING". The FES paper does not in any way say that 10% would support the NPD. The paper only says that according to their research the number of ppl in germany with extreme right-wing views about immigrants and jews has gone up from 8.2% (2010) to 9%. Of course the OP is overreacting here and the title could be changed. "the title could be changed" lol Imagine your not actually from germany, and theres a topic named " Nazi uprising in present Germany" seriously what the actual fuck? I am honestly outraged at this, dont get what that dude was thinking when he came up with that title, unless hes trolling, nevermind the more than dodgy content. And no 9 % of people do not have "extreme right-wing views" someone who is EXTREME and RIGHT, could very well be seen as having Sympathy for the NPD, if not, then probably only cause the NPD is not extreme enough for them. Check AngryMags post a few post back to check some of the stuff thats included in the survey, or better, actually read the items in it. To you as well, go out on the streets tomorrow, and go ask people about " EXTREME right views", if you get 9 / 100 with that, im actually delivering a cookie to your doorstep.
Ok you are right, I take back the word "extreme" and replace it with "racist/fascist". But here are the raw numbers and they just dont lie (because they are not up for interpretation):
+ Show Spoiler +
Still, doesnt it worry you that the research actually shows an increasing number? Dont you worry that right-wing brutality has gone up (and not just since NSU)?
So why is your only concern right now to criticise the op, me or the study? Thats the behavior of "denial" I am talking about.
Edit:
Btw. if you didnt had the link to the actual paper, here it is
http://www.fes-gegen-rechtsextremismus.de/pdf_12/mitte-im-umbruch_www.pdf
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On November 13 2012 09:14 esperanto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 08:39 freewareplayer wrote:On November 13 2012 08:30 esperanto wrote:On November 13 2012 08:13 freewareplayer wrote:Seriously the title of this needs to be changed by either op or mods. Providing additonal information in the OP should be done too. People actually only ready the first post/site and actually take this fox news level exaggeration serious as reflected in the replies that go up to suggesting demilitarizing germany (wtf???). OP should be ashamed to spread such half truths that make us look way worse than we are, as a german, i feel ashamed of how you make us look. On November 13 2012 07:55 esperanto wrote:
I have the feeling some of the ppl here are in denial.
The FES is a well known foundation that is very respected in the science-world. It's not propaganda and its not a Super-Pac. One of the reasons this foundation get money from the government is duo to the fact that they are objective when it comes to their researches.
So no "left-wing blabla"!!!
I have the feeling you are in more than denial or you dont live in germany. FES is a good foundation generally, ive even done volunteer work for them. But this is downright nothing short of fearmongering. about 10 % sympathise with NPD? I want you to go outside now and start asking people, you wont get 9 out of a 100 on an average, straight out bullshit. a lot of people here think they get 9 % of votes http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/208353/umfrage/wahlergebnisse-der-npd-in-den-bundeslaendern/http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/208353/umfrage/wahlergebnisse-der-npd-in-den-bundeslaendern/ that are numbers, and compared to all the right parties in other countries in europe, thats LOW, now stop spreading bullshit about a "NAZI UPRISING". The FES paper does not in any way say that 10% would support the NPD. The paper only says that according to their research the number of ppl in germany with extreme right-wing views about immigrants and jews has gone up from 8.2% (2010) to 9%. Of course the OP is overreacting here and the title could be changed. "the title could be changed" lol Imagine your not actually from germany, and theres a topic named " Nazi uprising in present Germany" seriously what the actual fuck? I am honestly outraged at this, dont get what that dude was thinking when he came up with that title, unless hes trolling, nevermind the more than dodgy content. And no 9 % of people do not have "extreme right-wing views" someone who is EXTREME and RIGHT, could very well be seen as having Sympathy for the NPD, if not, then probably only cause the NPD is not extreme enough for them. Check AngryMags post a few post back to check some of the stuff thats included in the survey, or better, actually read the items in it. To you as well, go out on the streets tomorrow, and go ask people about " EXTREME right views", if you get 9 / 100 with that, im actually delivering a cookie to your doorstep. Ok you are right, I take back the word "extreme" and replace it with "racist/fascist". But here are the raw numbers and they just dont lie (because they are not up for interpretation): + Show Spoiler +Still, doesnt it worry you that the research actually shows an increasing number? Dont you worry that right-wing brutality has gone up (and not just since NSU)? So why is your only concern right now to criticise the op, me or the study? Thats the behavior of "denial" I am talking about. Edit: Btw. if you didnt had the link to the actual paper, here it is http://www.fes-gegen-rechtsextremismus.de/pdf_12/mitte-im-umbruch_www.pdf
bullshit?
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/politisch-motivierte-kriminalitaet-2011-linke-gewalt-steigt-sprunghaft-an-a-813495.html
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This thread is a joke. Close it please! Just because there are people who are against immigrants doesn't make them nazis. :-(
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Well when I read the title, I was really interested, because I thought WW3 was coming, and I needed to retreat to my bunker in Montana to survive the nuclear holocaust that was incoming. Then I realized that OP was a moron, and doesn't know how to properly describe the situation he wanted to express his opinion on. This is like saying a lgbt rights parade where the governor attends as a Gay Uprising captures Governor.
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Guess this is the right timing to post this article about Facebook banning Golden Dawn(Popular Greek Neo-nazi's). Funny how people claim to believe in Freedom of speech.......until.....you know...... they don't like what they hear, then it's A-Alright
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_12/11/2012_469659
Greece’s neofascist Golden Dawn party on Monday slammed a decision by Facebook to block the accounts of several of its members and deputies, lashing out at what it said was an “act of censorship” and a “relentless attack against nationalist users.”
The California-based networking website allegedly blocked the profiles after deeming that they violated terms of use on violence and racism. It also deleted the web pages of Golden Dawn members and others who had posted Nazi symbols. The party, which has 18 seats in Parliament, has reportedly filed a complaint with Greece’s electronic crimes unit.
Meanwhile, Greece’s primary school teachers’ federation (DOE) on Monday condemned attempts by members of Golden Dawn to interfere with the commemoration of the October 28 anniversary – when Greeks celebrate the 1940 rejection of an Italian ultimatum – at a kindergarten and primary school on the Ionian island of Lefkada. Several children of Albanian descent allegedly drew the Albanian flag during a class on multiculturalism. The drawings went on display for the October 28 celebration.
The move irked several Greek parents, who notified Golden Dawn officials on the island. The latter accused the teacher of being unpatriotic.
In a statement Monday, DOE defended the teacher, saying that “the Greek school has no space for self-styled guardians of all that is sacred and holy in this nation.”
Recent reports have suggested that members of Golden Dawn aim to interfere with upcoming school commemorations of the 1973 Athens Polytechnic student uprising against the military dictatorship on November 17.
p.s. I'm not a supporter of the Neo-nazi's but I also hate hypocrites.
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On November 13 2012 09:14 esperanto wrote:
And no 9 % of people do not have "extreme right-wing views" someone who is EXTREME and RIGHT, could very well be seen as having Sympathy for the NPD, if not, then probably only cause the NPD is not extreme enough for them. Check AngryMags post a few post back to check some of the stuff thats included in the survey, or better, actually read the items in it.
Actually rather vague questions, nothing in this questionaire is inherently more than right wing.
On November 13 2012 09:14 esperanto wrote:
Ok you are right, I take back the word "extreme" and replace it with "racist/fascist". But here are the raw numbers and they just dont lie (because they are not up for interpretation):
Welcome to social sciences where everything is up to debate, especially on grounds of methodology and questions asked.
To be precise, A study with dodgy vague questions does not constitute hard facts. No Questionaire study ever does...
To be even more precise while the sample selecetion is explained, the raw numbers of people asked are notmentioned, which is a problem.
Its a function of youth culture in germany to assume everything right of sociaal democrats to be evil, but I hate to break it to you, but an average tory, republican or UMP Voter would have no problem with half of these questions, thats how vague they are asked and how general they are formulated.
In essence ascribing to a predidential system like france(not even US) would make you a sympathizer of authoritarian regimes if you go by the questions asked.
PS: Don´t ask about the requirements for Goverment funding...
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From what I've heard about goings on in England and Sweden in particular, there is an "uprising" of anti-immigration nationalists through at least some parts of Europe. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was coming about in Germany as well, where there is probably a similar modern "left-wing" official policy towards immigrants as in those other countries, welcoming them in large numbers and treating them with all the entitlements they could ask for.
Germany also has that terrible history behind them, and unfortunately a lot of youth, I think, who have trouble properly understanding it, because it is mainly presented to them through emotionally charged public education, and guarded via censorship. It is illegal in Germany, for example, to claim publicly that the holocaust didn't happen. Certainly that is revisionist history, but it is not itself an act of violence and everyone should have the political right to be loudly ignorant. Ideas should be fought with ideas, speech with speech, since using the threat of violence to silence your opposition only makes your ideas look weaker, and peaks the interest of those suspicious of power and of popular opinion.
With regard to the need for more open discussions about immigration reform, I think there is a similar problem. Of course anti-immigration views are rooted in racism, and other prejudices, but left-wing people are seldom willing to make the much needed concession that there are problems with immigration, in order to gain more respect in saying that banning it is not the solution. The problem is of course the entitlements, but, strangely enough, even the so-called right wing in Europe does not seem interested in talking about that. That is why you have a rise of nationalism. The idea is to make the collective more exclusive, rather than return rights back down to individuals.
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On November 13 2012 07:32 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 07:12 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 06:14 Yuljan wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) Past history of conflicts? You should try a little closer to home if you want a real history of conflicts. Edit: And before accepting the unification the allies wanted a clear declaration that Germany stays in the nato and doesnt become a demilitarized neutral state. From wiki: In December 1989, the administration of President George H. W. Bush made a united Germany's continued NATO membership a requirement for supporting reunification. Kohl agreed, although less than 20% of West Germans supported remaining within NATO closer to home? do tell. Nato you post - why Germany as part of Nato? So the rest of Nato can keep eyes on Germany so if need be, Nato can keep Germany under its thumb like a bug. The problem is your statements are completely ignorant. Germany is much further from being ruled by some extremists than US is. Germany has no way of any military action against its neighbours. You know that they have two nuclear powers just around the corner. And Germany is not nuclear power. Their military spending is pitiful compared to other countries. Plus allies pretty much demanded remilitarization from Germany, no the other way around. Also you seem to have missed last 50 years of history, maybe you should educate yourself before you start your knee-jerk reactions.
Au contrair. You need to do your fact checking.
German military spending, over 40 Billion (B as in Butter). Compare to your nation with a puny less than 2 Billion. Like the Czech would stand a chance if Germany decided to invade, nuclear power or not. What a feeble argument you make, so easily crushed. Read my former post again. Germany spends more than nearly all its direct neighbors. COMBINED. France is the only exception ot the rule and throws the balance out of wack. If Germany wanted to take a few battalions and squadrons, and go for a march through Czech and through Poland then back home, there isnt sweet all those two countries could do about it other than be a bit of a pest with thier meager 2.5 and 9.1 Billion in military spending to Germany's 43B. They'd slow down the German stroll through the park, but not stop it, not even close.
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On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse.
Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
As for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources.
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On November 13 2012 09:51 sekritzzz wrote:Guess this is the right timing to post this article about Facebook banning Golden Dawn(Popular Greek Neo-nazi's). Funny how people claim to believe in Freedom of speech.......until.....you know...... they don't like what they hear, then it's A-Alright http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_12/11/2012_469659Show nested quote +Greece’s neofascist Golden Dawn party on Monday slammed a decision by Facebook to block the accounts of several of its members and deputies, lashing out at what it said was an “act of censorship” and a “relentless attack against nationalist users.”
The California-based networking website allegedly blocked the profiles after deeming that they violated terms of use on violence and racism. It also deleted the web pages of Golden Dawn members and others who had posted Nazi symbols. The party, which has 18 seats in Parliament, has reportedly filed a complaint with Greece’s electronic crimes unit.
Meanwhile, Greece’s primary school teachers’ federation (DOE) on Monday condemned attempts by members of Golden Dawn to interfere with the commemoration of the October 28 anniversary – when Greeks celebrate the 1940 rejection of an Italian ultimatum – at a kindergarten and primary school on the Ionian island of Lefkada. Several children of Albanian descent allegedly drew the Albanian flag during a class on multiculturalism. The drawings went on display for the October 28 celebration.
The move irked several Greek parents, who notified Golden Dawn officials on the island. The latter accused the teacher of being unpatriotic.
In a statement Monday, DOE defended the teacher, saying that “the Greek school has no space for self-styled guardians of all that is sacred and holy in this nation.”
Recent reports have suggested that members of Golden Dawn aim to interfere with upcoming school commemorations of the 1973 Athens Polytechnic student uprising against the military dictatorship on November 17. p.s. I'm not a supporter of the Neo-nazi's but I also hate hypocrites.
I'm pretty sure you're not a hypocrite if you ban a group that use FB to group up and cause vandalism.
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On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources.
Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities.
What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario.
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On November 13 2012 00:12 kafkaesque wrote:
Why is this problematic?
If you grow up in Germany, you will be thoroughly educated about the Nazi Party.
The history of the Third Reich is mandatory part of your historical education and secondary schools frequently have week-long projects to further awareness of the horrors of Hitler's Germany. Chances are, you will at one point visit one of the concentration camps of Buchenwald or Auschwitz and schools go through great lenghts to get jewish orators who have witnessed Nazi Germany first hand. History programs on TV eat up that chapter as well and the Federal Agency for Civic Education offers a plethora of different magazines for free so one can educate oneself even further.
Against this background, it seems unthinkable that anyone could embrace Nazi ideals, because it's virtually impossible to grow up in Germany and not have a rather thorough understanding of them.
Well people grow up reading about the horrors of the Soviet Union but they still think they can do better. They believe in centrally planned economies, etc. I doubt the Neo-Nazis are even a fraction of a percent as radical as the Nazi Party under Hitler.
They seem like one of those fringe groups that no one takes seriously despite the outcry.
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On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario.
This. So much.
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Why does germany wanna invade poland, I thought we were bros? 
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On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario.
Except Canada shares a relationship with US that Germany doesn't with its neighbours - especially given the history of wars. Canada and US had like 1 war with bayonets that Canada won or something? lol
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On November 13 2012 11:31 Mondieu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:51 sekritzzz wrote:Guess this is the right timing to post this article about Facebook banning Golden Dawn(Popular Greek Neo-nazi's). Funny how people claim to believe in Freedom of speech.......until.....you know...... they don't like what they hear, then it's A-Alright http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_12/11/2012_469659Greece’s neofascist Golden Dawn party on Monday slammed a decision by Facebook to block the accounts of several of its members and deputies, lashing out at what it said was an “act of censorship” and a “relentless attack against nationalist users.”
The California-based networking website allegedly blocked the profiles after deeming that they violated terms of use on violence and racism. It also deleted the web pages of Golden Dawn members and others who had posted Nazi symbols. The party, which has 18 seats in Parliament, has reportedly filed a complaint with Greece’s electronic crimes unit.
Meanwhile, Greece’s primary school teachers’ federation (DOE) on Monday condemned attempts by members of Golden Dawn to interfere with the commemoration of the October 28 anniversary – when Greeks celebrate the 1940 rejection of an Italian ultimatum – at a kindergarten and primary school on the Ionian island of Lefkada. Several children of Albanian descent allegedly drew the Albanian flag during a class on multiculturalism. The drawings went on display for the October 28 celebration.
The move irked several Greek parents, who notified Golden Dawn officials on the island. The latter accused the teacher of being unpatriotic.
In a statement Monday, DOE defended the teacher, saying that “the Greek school has no space for self-styled guardians of all that is sacred and holy in this nation.”
Recent reports have suggested that members of Golden Dawn aim to interfere with upcoming school commemorations of the 1973 Athens Polytechnic student uprising against the military dictatorship on November 17. p.s. I'm not a supporter of the Neo-nazi's but I also hate hypocrites. I'm pretty sure you're not a hypocrite if you ban a group that use FB to group up and cause vandalism.
Let him be in his little world. He does not even know what freedom of speech actually means, because he never thought it through.
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On November 13 2012 11:53 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:40 m4inbrain wrote:On November 13 2012 11:28 Grimmyman123 wrote:On November 13 2012 07:45 Blackfeather wrote:On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
The solution is simple, and it was done 67 years ago, but it was not maintained.
Demilitarize Germany like we did at the end of World War 2. Maintain and enforce a zero military policy. We didn't learn the first time after World War 1 and allowed germany to rearm itself, and look what happened. If Germany is allowed to be run by some radical group again, with their current military, its a problem.
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?
After World War 1, and then World War 2, we should have learned. There should not have been a wall dividing Germany. There should have been a wall surrounding it.
So, that way it doesnt matter who leads Germany or what their views are. Let them scwabble among themselves.
(Yes, I know this is an extreme point of view and is not wholy realistic due to the need for a country to be able to defend itself. However, the statistics and numbers are a bit frightening when it comes to Germany's military budget, military size, and the country's past history of conflicts.) your comment is quite racist on a side note. and according to wikipedia germany's military budget is 1,3% of their gdp, less budget than both france's or the united kingdom's, while germany's gdp is about 50% higher. btw if you isolate germany now the european market it will outright collapse. Thank you for your concern. My post was not racist at all, please do study up. GDP percentage is not an accurate gauge. Actual currency spent is more accurate when comparing militaries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expendituresAs for isolating Germany, I don't think that they would care if the rest of europe has hard times. Yes, economy will take a dump, thats a given, globally. But, that's to be expected and could be worked around. Germany does not contain a natural resourse stockpile, with natural minerals and uranium as its main resourses, along with grown crops, at least that could not be offset globally. Meaning, Germany isnt the supplier of its surrounding countries with critical natural resources. Your post wasn't racist. But borderline stupid. Germany had a history of wars, right. But to hear from a canadian (a neighbor of, lol, the US) that he is "frightened" of our military.. Yeah, wow. Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years (including a fair share of war crimes). Oh, and then look how much they still spend on military. And keep in mind that they're actually a nation with nuclear capabilities. What a bunch of bullshit, seriously. Even if the right wing would suddenly take over in germany, which actually does not happen at all, a war as aggressor against poland, czech? With france and the UK (you know, nuclear weapons and stuff) directly next to us.. God, i can't really fathom how stupid someone has to be to actually think there are any possibilities to have that scenario. Except Canada shares a relationship with US that Germany doesn't with its neighbours - especially given the history of wars. Canada and US had like 1 war with bayonets that Canada won or something? lol
And where's the argument? If the US starts a war with the wrong people, you still have to fight even if you're not the country being invaded?
Btw, germany has actually a good relationship with it's neighbours. Check your facts. Hint: Pew Research Center. Get your head out of the closet and maybe look at the bigger picture, and not just the muppets waving fists at Merkel because somehow she is to blame for their bad economy.
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