Nazi-Uprising in Present Day Germany - Page 21

On November 13 2012 17:37 Tufas wrote:


So Austria shares a relationship with Germany .... especially given the history of wars. Modern Germany and Austria are very young countries and there were so many wars between fractions of Germany and Austria-Hungary, Germanic and Celtic tribes, the Roman empire (which todays Austria was a part of) against German Hippies on Mushrooms, HOW FAR DO I GO BACK HERE ? What is shared history ? Are we only talking about the 2 World War ? You obviously aren't in your example. But the history between European countries, for obvious reasons, goes much deeper. Where do I make the cut ? Most likely almost all the countries were allied, occupied, fought wars etc.

What on earth is shared history ?
Okay Poland might go "Well, we have been occupied by Austria, Russia, Prussia, Communists, Nazis ..." and you might not find many positive feelings towards Germany (historically speaking) ...
If we actually sum up all the things that happened in Europe and let ourselves be trapped by it, its everyone against everyone.

EDIT : In the last 200 years, Germany was more divided than unified if you measure years.

On November 13 2012 16:31 Elizar wrote:


Well this guy was temp banned for, at least I assume, bad language. But the core point is valid: As a German myself I´m sick of people telling me, that we have to apologize for things that I (including like all of my genereration) actually never did.

Also it is very ironic, that people argument now with a "german genepool", which a) doesn´t exist and b) if so is shared everywhere (making it not "german") and c) use arguments like a nazi to brand others as "nazis."

You think Germany is full of Nazis? Look somewhere else, because there will be more to find.

What somewhat put me on the edge decisiviley, was an argument that the current genepool of Germany, is from the populous which survived the war. The people that stood by and watched, doing nothing, as millions of people were exterminated. That actually elected by a massive majority the leadership and future they chose, and the slaugter that followed.

On November 13 2012 16:47 Lecideur wrote:
Let's just make a simple test and most of you will understand why there is anti-semitism in this world....

Just imagine the Nazis were right. The Jews really are the root of all problems, killed Jesus. Imagine they control the media and Hollywood, all the money, the banking system and by it the World.

Really try to imagine that this is reality, if you are able to, you understand a simple truth. And the truth is, there are a lot of things in this world YOU believe...

Reality is what we believe... and we believe Israel is the Holy Land, that's why we take it, we expand it and we die for it. These desert monkeys shoot with firecracker rockets at our bunkers, we have bunkers every 100 meters, we have rocket sirenes, who alert us. We have Drones 24/7 flying over Gaza and the West Bank. We are in total control. We will never tolerate another Holocaust. We have the technology and the power to survive everything. When we go down, we will take the world with us. We also got i think a couple of hundred atomic warheads on Jericho 3 rockets, who have a radius of over 5000 kilometers. We have free (yes free) german submarines armed with atomic warheads. If Israel falls, the Samson option will be initiated, trust me.

There is no Israel without the world and there is no world without Israel.

I like to quote David Perlmutter: "Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow—it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?



Never underestimate us again.

On November 13 2012 17:57 Elegy wrote:


haha this is cute

"we can survive anything", but on the off chance we get "taken down", we'll nuke the "ENTIRE" world because we CAN and because FUCK YOU we're Israel and RAWR look how awesome it is to make these epic claims and we won't tolerate another Holocaust and if it looks like it'll happen again we'll kill EVERYONE in the world because well BECAUSE

On November 13 2012 17:07 Danglars wrote:

Don't forget the money-lending business. That garnered a lot of people's misappropriated hate.
Back then, good Catholics couldn't loan money, so if you wanted to take out a loan, you're likely going to visit a Jewish establishment, and gawk at whatever interest rate they charged (I can only imagine with so little competition what those rates looked like back in that era). In the eyes of one PhD political scientist, this was the reason just behind natural distrust of a non-assimilating culture & people group that Jews garnered such hate.

On November 13 2012 00:26 oneofthem wrote:
far right sentiments is a proper public concern. much like terrorism, racism and other kinds of 'bad' ideology. it needs to be controlled and eradicated if possible.

On November 13 2012 00:26 oneofthem wrote:
far right sentiments is a proper public concern. much like terrorism, racism and other kinds of 'bad' ideology. it needs to be controlled and eradicated if possible.

On November 13 2012 15:53 Mallard86 wrote:
Jews have been a scapegoat for centuries. The only reason anti-antisemitism has died down in the west over the last few decades is because of the growth of PC as well as a collective guilt/pity over the Holocaust.

The question is why are Jews so hated over the centuries? The answer is relatively simple. In the west, most communities have been homogenous. You live in a catholic town or you live in a protestant town. Jews are kind of separate from the communities due to different religion and thus different assemblies and traditions. Being separate or different has historically been a liability.

To-day it is hard and almost impossible for me to say when the word
'Jew' first began to raise any particular thought in my mind. I do not
remember even having heard the word at home during my father's lifetime.
If this name were mentioned in a derogatory sense I think the old
gentleman would just have considered those who used it in this way as
being uneducated reactionaries. In the course of his career he had come
to be more or less a cosmopolitan, with strong views on nationalism,
which had its effect on me as well. In school, too, I found no reason to
alter the picture of things I had formed at home.

At the REALSCHULE I knew one Jewish boy. We were all on our guard in our
relations with him, but only because his reticence and certain actions
of his warned us to be discreet. Beyond that my companions and myself
formed no particular opinions in regard to him.

It was not until I was fourteen or fifteen years old that I frequently
ran up against the word 'Jew', partly in connection with political
controversies. These references aroused a slight aversion in me, and I
could not avoid an uncomfortable feeling which always came over me when
I had to listen to religious disputes. But at that time I had no other
feelings about the Jewish question.

There were very few Jews in Linz. In the course of centuries the Jews
who lived there had become Europeanized in external appearance and were
so much like other human beings that I even looked upon them as Germans.
The reason why I did not then perceive the absurdity of such an illusion
was that the only external mark which I recognized as distinguishing
them from us was the practice of their strange religion. As I thought
that they were persecuted on account of their Faith my aversion to
hearing remarks against them grew almost into a feeling of abhorrence. I
did not in the least suspect that there could be such a thing as a
systematic anti-Semitism.

Then I came to Vienna.

Confused by the mass of impressions I received from the architectural
surroundings and depressed by my own troubles, I did not at first
distinguish between the different social strata of which the population
of that mammoth city was composed. Although Vienna then had about two
hundred thousand Jews among its population of two millions, I did not
notice them. During the first weeks of my sojourn my eyes and my mind
were unable to cope with the onrush of new ideas and values. Not until I
gradually settled down to my surroundings, and the confused picture
began to grow clearer, did I acquire a more discriminating view of my
new world. And with that I came up against the Jewish problem.

I will not say that the manner in which I first became acquainted with
it was particularly unpleasant for me. In the Jew I still saw only a man
who was of a different religion, and therefore, on grounds of human
tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be attacked because he
had a different faith. And so I considered that the tone adopted by the
anti-Semitic Press in Vienna was unworthy of the cultural traditions of
a great people. The memory of certain events which happened in the
middle ages came into my mind, and I felt that I should not like to see
them repeated. Generally speaking, these anti-Semitic newspapers did not
belong to the first rank--but I did not then understand the reason of
this--and so I regarded them more as the products of jealousy and envy
rather than the expression of a sincere, though wrong-headed, feeling.

On November 13 2012 06:09 Grimmyman123 wrote:
For referrence, if you didn't know, Germany's military budget is EQUAL to Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Belguin, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands military budgets COMBINED. Take a look at that list of countries and their proximity to Germany. Scary isn't it?

Btw, guess what nation had the most wars in the last 200 years

On November 13 2012 22:25 MoltkeWarding wrote: Unfortunately, they don't really understand what they are trying to resist. Hence not only the historical, but also the moral feebleness of their efforts.

On November 13 2012 23:17 oneofthem wrote:

they are not limited or restricted to resist only the exact contour of the antisemitism animating naziism. a general resistance against dehumanizing thinking is enough.

When you say that you're resisting a categorical kind of thought attributed to a certain group, whether it be Nazis, Jews, bourgeois-reactionaries, hipsters, punks, or astrologists, regardless of whether their conscious and expressed opinions fit your caricaturisation, you are the one committing the dehumanisation of people, first and foremost. Thinking of the past, which is filled by human beings in terms of stylised ethical oppositions alone is the dehumanisation of history. Saying that you are capable of direct access to moral truth without looking at its worldly manifestations is not only dehumanising, it is sacrilege. It is a sort of self-deification which makes you more low-brow than the most vulgar of Nazi theologians.

On November 13 2012 23:30 oneofthem wrote:
the point is not to resist nazis specifically as in, arguing against the nazis. it's just to prevent a problem that was manifest in the nazis as a prominent incident.

if i cared enough i'd actually try to figure out what you are thinking but the general silliness of it is enough for the present purpose.