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On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective.
Wait what. To get your PhD it takes 16 years after you joined college? And similairly, 12 years to get your masters?
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In Belgium, it goes like this:
1-3 year old: crèche (optional, usually for parents who both work and have nobody to keep their child)
3: 1ère maternelle (in maternelle you usually don't really work, you play games and learn a bit, develop your curiosity etc.)
4: 2ème maternelle
5: 3ème maternelle
6 year old: 1ère primaire (in primaire you really start the real thing, counting, writing, reading correctly)
7: 2ème primaire
8: 3ème primaire
9: 4ème primaire
10: 5ème primaire
11: 6ème primaire
12 year old: 1ère secondaire (sometimes not in the same place as the primaires)
13: 2ème secondaire
14: 3ème secondaire
15: 4ème secondaire
16: 5ème secondaire
17: 6ème secondaire (also called rheto)
18 year old: Université or Haute école. Université is 5 (rarely 4) years of study or more while the Hautes écoles are mostly 3 years of study (considered not as good as Université)
Your path of study might change if you fail 2 times in a row in secondaire general, you can drop to technique or professionnel which directly teach you one job. You can also fail in primaire but it's quite rare.
If you are better than your class, you can also skip classes but it's not very oftenly done.
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On November 10 2012 22:01 thuracine wrote:
I am curios is the U.S the only country to call first year kindergarten?
Edit:
Elemtrary school - K through 6th grade ( 7 years )
Middle school - 2 years
High school - 4 years
Nope. I know that in Malaysia and Singapore there is kindergarten for ages 5 to 6. Its preschool, and is considered an optional level of schooling. Some people choose to start Primary school immediately without going to kindergarten.
Malaysia:
Kindergarten - 1 or 2 years
Primary School - 6 years
Secondary/High School - 5 years
Pre-university (1.5 years) OR Matriculation (1 year)
University
Singapore:
Kindergarten - 1 or 2 years
Primary School - 6 years
Secondary school - 4 years
Junior College or Polytechnic (Pre-U)
University
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On November 10 2012 22:28 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:21 Hider wrote:On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. wait? Grad school + masters = 8 years? yeah, higher education takes foreverrrr I've got a friend chasing his doctorate now. He hasn't wasted any time between levels, and is 26 with still a few more years left 
seems weird. At grad school I would think you get an masters degree. At least this is what I read around the internet. You have any sources?
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On November 10 2012 22:36 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:28 Dienosore wrote:On November 10 2012 22:21 Hider wrote:On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. wait? Grad school + masters = 8 years? yeah, higher education takes foreverrrr I've got a friend chasing his doctorate now. He hasn't wasted any time between levels, and is 26 with still a few more years left seems weird. At grad school I would think you get an masters degree. At least this is what I read around the internet. You have any sources?
Exactly, it feels as if he counted 4 years too many. Still, 8 years for your masters is a long time compared to the Netherlands. Where you can usually do it in 5 if I'm not mistaken.
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On November 10 2012 22:25 Martyrc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. So if I understand this right, your average USA PhD finishes at age 34?
Mmmm, maybe... I don't know about the average, but I know for sure all Masters programs don't take 4 years. At the University of Arizona, I can get my Bachelors in Accounting in 4 years, then my Masters after 1 more year. No idea how long the PhD would take though.
On November 10 2012 22:36 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:28 Dienosore wrote:On November 10 2012 22:21 Hider wrote:On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. wait? Grad school + masters = 8 years? yeah, higher education takes foreverrrr I've got a friend chasing his doctorate now. He hasn't wasted any time between levels, and is 26 with still a few more years left seems weird. At grad school I would think you get an masters degree. At least this is what I read around the internet. You have any sources?
Yeah looks like you're right. Grad school is for your Masters, he just messed up a little I think.
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On November 10 2012 22:37 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:36 Hider wrote:On November 10 2012 22:28 Dienosore wrote:On November 10 2012 22:21 Hider wrote:On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. wait? Grad school + masters = 8 years? yeah, higher education takes foreverrrr I've got a friend chasing his doctorate now. He hasn't wasted any time between levels, and is 26 with still a few more years left seems weird. At grad school I would think you get an masters degree. At least this is what I read around the internet. You have any sources? Exactly, it feels as if he counted 4 years too many. Still, 8 years for your masters is a long time compared to the Netherlands. Where you can usually do it in 5 if I'm not mistaken.
edit:nvm.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 10 2012 22:33 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. Wait what. To get your PhD it takes 16 years after you joined college? And similairly, 12 years to get your masters?
It depends ultimately on self motivation and specific department requirements, (for example, english or philosophy not as strenuous as math or science) but yeah, you got it right. A master's degree is nothing to sneeze at and often takes people a good chunk of their lifetime to actually finish it.
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On November 10 2012 22:41 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:33 Recognizable wrote:On November 10 2012 22:13 Dienosore wrote:
In USA, it goes like this:
age 1-3: nothing
age 4: Preschool (not mandatory), or you can test into early kindergarten
age 5: Kindergarten (not always mandatory, depends on state legislation)
age 6-11: 1st grade - 6 grade, aka elementary school
age 12-13: 7th grade - 8th grade, aka middle school
age 14-17: 9th grade - 12th grade, aka high school
Kids are tested every three years. If they do well or poorly, then they can skip a grade or be held back, depending on teacher evaluation. Once you turn 16, however, you can elect to not finish high school and drop out of the school system entirely. (a surprisingly high number do this, something like 8% of all high school students)
After high school, about 60% of kids join the general workforce doing whatever. The other 40% go on to college (university) where they will spend the next four years getting their bachelors degree in whatever subject they want. After that, they can continue their education in graduate school (another 4 years), and then even further for their masters degree (another 4 years), and then EVEN FURTHER for their doctorate (another 4 years).
College is open for everyone as long as you have the money to pay tuition. Grad school and beyond is rather selective. Wait what. To get your PhD it takes 16 years after you joined college? And similairly, 12 years to get your masters? It depends ultimately on self motivation and specific department requirements, (for example, english or philosophy not as strenuous as math or science) but yeah, you got it right. A master's degree is nothing to sneeze at and often takes people a good chunk of their lifetime to actually finish it.
What?.... A Bachelor's is three years in Sweden, and (most) Master's 5... PhD is another thing though..
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On November 10 2012 21:25 Martyrc wrote:
So you start primary school at age 6? Interesting, I know that in Scandinavia they start out late too. This is kinda weird because, in France for example, some children go to primary as early as 3 years old.
I don't know about him, but at least, in my area, we actually start at kindergarten, at 4, then move to what we call Prep, at 5, then we start with letter grades. Primary school education is from Prep to Grade 6, High School education is from Year 7 to Year 12, With the choice to leave starting roughly around Year 10 (normally, however, you only really leave if you get a trade apprenticeship). Then you can move on to University.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Bachelor degree (=undergraduate; also HBO) is often 3 years in Holland, where a master (=graduate) takes 1 or 2 extra years depending on the topic and type of master (e.g., research master usually takes a year extra). PhD (=graduate/promovendus/aio) generally takes 4 years after that, although it can take a year less in the case of a research master (some funds require a student who has done a research master, think this is the case for NWO these days) and/or in special cases (e.g., mine is externally funded, so it takes 3 years). As said, tract differs in some cases, such as medicine.
This is basically what you tried to explain in the OP (taken from EUR Psychology lecture slides):
+ Show Spoiler +
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Quote from wikipedia
"Graduate study, conducted after obtaining an initial degree and sometimes after several years of professional work, leads to a more advanced degree such as a master's degree, which could be a Master of Arts (MA), Master of Science (MS), Master of Business Administration (MBA), or other less common master's degrees such as Master of Education (MEd), and Master of Fine Arts (MFA). Some students pursue a graduate degree that is in between a master's degree and a doctoral degree called a Specialist in Education (Ed.S.)."
Not sure how long an MBA is, but I guess it's 2 years.
So 4 years of undergrad studies + 2 years of grad (MBA) = 6 years.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Ah sorry guys, I thought I had deleted part of OP when I was editing, but it seems I accidentally left it in there. (Im very sleepy and hungover  ) To clarify, you get your Masters Degree during grad school. Depending on the subject, it can take anywhere from 2 to 11 years for this (the higher end being medical and law)
After grad school, you can keep going for your PhD. This takes anywhere from 3-6 to complete.
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On November 10 2012 22:49 Dienosore wrote:Ah sorry guys, I thought I had deleted part of OP when I was editing, but it seems I accidentally left it in there. (Im very sleepy and hungover ) To clarify, you get your Masters Degree during grad school. Depending on the subject, it can take anywhere from 2 to 11 years for this (the higher end being medical and law)
so when i asked you how long masters + grad school took, you (for some reason) told me it was 8 years?
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 10 2012 22:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 22:49 Dienosore wrote:Ah sorry guys, I thought I had deleted part of OP when I was editing, but it seems I accidentally left it in there. (Im very sleepy and hungover ) To clarify, you get your Masters Degree during grad school. Depending on the subject, it can take anywhere from 2 to 11 years for this (the higher end being medical and law) so when i asked you how long masters + grad school took, you (for some reason) told me it was 8 years?
Yeah I accidentally was separating gradschool/masters into two different things when in-fact they are the same.
It's hard to say exactly how long it will take because different fields require different things. Some areas of study take that long, others don't. Sry for the confusion.
I'm really tired, so I'm going back to bed. This article hopefully will help you understand:
+ Show Spoiler +The length of time it takes to get a graduate degree varies, depending on the program that you choose to enter. There are different types of college diploma and degree programs, and because each offers a different set of skills and knowledge, each has a varying length of time to complete. Additionally, there are different types of graduate level degrees that each take a different amount of time to complete.
The first level of graduate degree is a Master’s degree. Most Master’s programs take between two to three years to complete. You can get a master’s degree in nearly every subject that offers a bachelor’s degree. An MBA is a Master’s in Business Administration, and is a very common degree for people to complete. If you are attending school full time, most programs expect you to complete the program in two years, but if you are attending part time, it may take you up to four years to complete the program.
An MFA is a Master’s in Fine Arts. This degree is a terminal degree, which means that it does not prepare you to go on for a PhD. However, you can teach at a university with this level of degree. This degree focuses more on the application of the material studied rather than the theory. Most programs take between two to four years to complete. You can get an MFA in creative writing, filmmaking, theater and fine arts, and visual arts.
A Juris Doctor is another type of graduate degree. This is a law degree. This is considered a professional doctorate, because most people who get this degree work in a profession rather in the field of research and teaching. This program takes three years to complete. You can also get the L.L.M. (Masters of Laws). This program takes one year, but does require you to already have received a J.D. You can also earn a Doctor of Juridical Sciences. This degree is for those who want to teach people to become lawyers. This program takes about three years to complete, and you must have received the L.LM. Degree in order to apply. At the end of your course of study for a S.J.D., you will have completed four years of undergrad work, three years of law school, one year for your L.L.M. and an additional three years for your S.J.D., which adds up to eleven years of school.
The Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) degrees take about three years to complete. However, you are required to spend additional time in residency once you get this degree. If you want to teach people to become doctors, you will need to PhD in medicine, which takes an additional three to four years to complete. Often you can enroll in an MD/PhD dual degree, which takes seven to eight years to complete.
A PhD (Doctoral degree) can take anywhere from three to six years to complete. It depends on how long it takes you to complete your dissertation to determine the length of time that you are enrolled in the program. It generally takes longer for people to get PhDs in the arts versus those who get PhDs in the sciences. Additionally, some programs allow you to skip your Master’s degree and apply directly to the PhD program. These programs usually take five years, since you still have to cover the basic Master’s level classes. A PhD prepares you to teach at the college level and to do research for private companies.
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I'm from France but studied in Singapore since I was 10. It has a pretty complicated education system with lots of different routes and weird names.
Primary school - You study at a Primary School for 6 years from 7 to 12, then you take a Primary School Leaving Examination which determines what kind of secondary education "stream" you go to.
Secondary education streams -
1. Special - Generally reserved for the top percentiles. "Special" students study for the GCE "O" Level at the end of 4 years and take advanced mother tongues (Chinese, Malay, Tamil etc.). If you're REALLY good, you get to go to an "Integrated Program" school which lets you skip the "O" levels and directly take the "A" levels after 6 years.
2. Express - For those with reasonably good scores. Similar to "Special" but you only take mother tongue at a basic level.
3. Normal (Academic) and Normal (Technical) - The rest end up here. This route is slightly longer and you'll only take your "O" Levels at the end of 5 years. Those under Academic spend most of their time in the classroom while those under Technical will get more exposure towards various crafts and skills.
Post-secondary Education -
So up to this point, everybody takes their "O" levels at the end of either 4 or 5 years and then decides what to do for the next 2 to 3 years.
1. Junior College - Generally, those with better "O" level results come here to prepare for university. At the end of 2 years,
Junior College students take "A" levels which determines what university you go to, or if you get to go to one at all. Most of the "A" level subjects are purely academic.
2. Polytechnic - Others may choose to attend a polytechnic, which gets you a Diploma in whatever field you choose to study. A diploma is worth more on the job market because it gives you more "hands-on" experience compared to those studying for "A" levels. However, it is difficult to get into a good university unless you have an incredibly good GPA, so most Polytechnic students end up working after their studies without going to university. (E.g. Computer programmers, media specialists)
3. Institute of Technical Education (ITE) - Students who can't make it to the two options above usually attend ITE which, as the name suggests, offers various technical courses. (E.g. Cooks, plumbers)
Tertiary Education
Finally, depending on which route you take, girls typically start university from age 18-20, and boys 20-22, because males are drafted into the army for 2 years, where they learn to shoot guns and drive tanks! xD
Singapore's pre-tertiary education system is widely regarded as one of the best in the world, if not THE best, but if you ask me, its more geared towards producing individuals who are only good at taking tests rather than those who are creative and innovative thinkers. Don't diss me Singaporeans, I came out of the JC system myself and you know its true. Also, it is overly stressful and competitive. Imagine thousands of smart Asians taking the one test that determines a large part of their future. Fu........
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On November 10 2012 22:48 Beyonder wrote:Bachelor degree (=undergraduate; also HBO) is often 3 years in Holland, where a master (=graduate) takes 1 or 2 extra years depending on the topic and type of master (e.g., research master usually takes a year extra). PhD (=graduate/promovendus/aio) generally takes 4 years after that, although it can take a year less in the case of a research master (some funds require a student who has done a research master, think this is the case for NWO these days) and/or in special cases (e.g., mine is externally funded, so it takes 3 years). As said, tract differs in some cases, such as medicine. This is basically what you tried to explain in the OP (taken from EUR Psychology lecture slides): + Show Spoiler +
That image is amazing, mind if I use it in the OP? 
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Thats fine if you mention its from EUR Psychology slides ^^
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Sure. Will do. You are amazing, now back on-topic.
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Can't wait for someone from Germany to post here since it's totally fucked up. Elementary school can either be 6-10 or 6-12. Then there are Realschule, Gesamtschule, Hauptschule, Oberschule, Gymnasium, Oberstufenzentrum and berufliches Gymnasium + Hochschule and Fachhochschule. Not everything is available everywhere, it depends in which region you live.
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