On October 31 2012 01:06 heliusx wrote: A 13ft storm surge is pretty typical for a direct hit from a cat 1. I'm imagining most of the damage is from lack of preparation to deal with the water. There are no city wide water pumps? I believe new orleans (another low lying city) can drain around 6 billion gallons a day.
Hurricane categories are based on wind speed so it was a cat 1 not "2 or 3". The pressure is basically what creates the winds, it's not a destructive force itself that will cause flooding and what not. Basically the category system is based on it's wind speed not hindsight of how much damage it caused.
Fortunately, only certain parts of NYC are low lying, and storms like these hit us 1-2 times a century, thus not too many pumps installed.
I see, I was under the impression that the flooding last year was pretty bad also.
Nah last year was really nothing, this one was magnitudes worse. But with climate change it's probable the frequency of storms like this will increase a bit.
In Central New York everyone bought generators and emergency supplies but all that happened was the power went out for some for a couple of hours. Not even any wind damage. We got lucky up here.
On October 31 2012 01:06 heliusx wrote: A 13ft storm surge is pretty typical for a direct hit from a cat 1. I'm imagining most of the damage is from lack of preparation to deal with the water. There are no city wide water pumps? I believe new orleans (another low lying city) can drain around 6 billion gallons a day.
Hurricane categories are based on wind speed so it was a cat 1 not "2 or 3". The pressure is basically what creates the winds, it's not a destructive force itself that will cause flooding and what not. Basically the category system is based on it's wind speed not hindsight of how much damage it caused.
Fortunately, only certain parts of NYC are low lying, and storms like these hit us 1-2 times a century, thus not too many pumps installed.
I see, I was under the impression that the flooding last year was pretty bad also.
Nah last year was really nothing, this one was magnitudes worse. But with climate change it's probable the frequency of storms like this will increase a bit.
The one last year didn't have flooding. It was actually quite a harmless snow storm if it weren't for the fact the trees still had leaves and collapsed based on the weight of the snow. Sandy had winds that knocked out the trees and drove water into the streets.
On October 30 2012 23:57 Mondieu wrote: oh boy; reading this thread made me realize how much americans hate each other ^^
Americans only unite when we're at war basically. Like, people the north shore hate the people from the south shore in southeastern louisiana, but we're one in the same when we hate the north Louisiana people together, and then we hate Mississippi together as a state, but the south hates the north together which unites the south, and the country hates the middle east together. Unity through hatred.
lol what was all this crap?
It's not "Americans" that hate each other. It's teenagers on the internet being 2deep2edgy.
On October 30 2012 23:57 Mondieu wrote: oh boy; reading this thread made me realize how much americans hate each other ^^
Americans only unite when we're at war basically. Like, people the north shore hate the people from the south shore in southeastern louisiana, but we're one in the same when we hate the north Louisiana people together, and then we hate Mississippi together as a state, but the south hates the north together which unites the south, and the country hates the middle east together. Unity through hatred.
lol what was all this crap?
It's not "Americans" that hate each other. It's teenagers on the internet being 2deep2edgy.
On October 31 2012 01:06 heliusx wrote: A 13ft storm surge is pretty typical for a direct hit from a cat 1. I'm imagining most of the damage is from lack of preparation to deal with the water. There are no city wide water pumps? I believe new orleans (another low lying city) can drain around 6 billion gallons a day.
Hurricane categories are based on wind speed so it was a cat 1 not "2 or 3". The pressure is basically what creates the winds, it's not a destructive force itself that will cause flooding and what not. Basically the category system is based on it's wind speed not hindsight of how much damage it caused.
Fortunately, only certain parts of NYC are low lying, and storms like these hit us 1-2 times a century, thus not too many pumps installed.
I see, I was under the impression that the flooding last year was pretty bad also.
Nah last year was really nothing, this one was magnitudes worse. But with climate change it's probable the frequency of storms like this will increase a bit.
The one last year didn't have flooding. It was actually quite a harmless snow storm if it weren't for the fact the trees still had leaves and collapsed based on the weight of the snow. Sandy had winds that knocked out the trees and drove water into the streets.
The major flooding from Irene was further north and east, in Mass, NH, Vermont, and Maine iirc. It was bad, it just wasn't in NYC. The ground up there doesn't soak up water quite the same way it does elsewhere. Then again, with the amount of paving, underground building, and extensive underground systems, I don't know that the ground in NYC soaks up water at all - most of the skyscrapers are anchored into bedrock.
Oh, someone said something about "having infrastructure below ground" and being hurricane proof - I live in Florida. A lot of the new power lines are going in underground, because it means fewer power outages due to downed trees. There is actually a fair amount of infrastructure here underground - it's just that the vast majority of it is storm drains that were designed to handle large amounts of rain that can occur in a very short period. Categories are scientific ways of defining a storm - just because a Cat 1 would have minimal impact in much of Florida doesn't mean that a Tropical Storm hitting a far more populous location that is historically unprepared for the event wouldn't cause more significant damage. (Kind of like, which does more damage - an F5 tornado in a Kansas corn field or an F1 tornado in Times Square?)
On October 30 2012 23:57 Mondieu wrote: oh boy; reading this thread made me realize how much americans hate each other ^^
Americans only unite when we're at war basically. Like, people the north shore hate the people from the south shore in southeastern louisiana, but we're one in the same when we hate the north Louisiana people together, and then we hate Mississippi together as a state, but the south hates the north together which unites the south, and the country hates the middle east together. Unity through hatred.
lol what was all this crap?
It's not "Americans" that hate each other. It's teenagers on the internet being 2deep2edgy.
I live in Florida myself and these storms are usually played up. The main concern is the flooding which comes with excessive rains in flood zones. The winds/storm surge etc.. etc.. is minor when compared to the amount of rain. The only time when the winds/storm surges are a huge concern is when you have a category 3 storm or greater.
On October 31 2012 03:49 Nausea wrote: I bet if Obama handles this well he will win the election big, if he handles it poorly he will lose surprisingly big.
Yea how this gets handled could have a massive effect on how the election swings, if I was Obama I would ride in there personally on the roof of a tank followed by a caravan of military trucks full of food and medical supplies.
I live right outside Atlantic City, looks like im going to have to rebuild my business from the ground up because of this storm, as 80% of my business happens on NJ's southern barrier islands (I do termite work for real estate agents). Serious problems for me . I rode the storm out at a friends in Jackson, and it looks like some of my friends lost their houses. I'm just happy everyone is alive.
On October 31 2012 03:49 Nausea wrote: I bet if Obama handles this well he will win the election big, if he handles it poorly he will lose surprisingly big.
I read that the dude that bush had handling FEMA said that obama "responded too quickly"
He forgot to finish that sentence ..."'cause you are making me look like shit"
So how bad are damages? (i'm at West Coast so I have no idea how bad it is) looks like a lot of flooding from the images. Any estimates for damages yet?
On October 31 2012 03:49 Nausea wrote: I bet if Obama handles this well he will win the election big, if he handles it poorly he will lose surprisingly big.
On October 31 2012 04:06 Zoltan wrote: I live right outside Atlantic City, looks like im going to have to rebuild my business from the ground up because of this storm, as 80% of my business happens on NJ's southern barrier islands (I do termite work for real estate agents). Serious problems for me . I rode the storm out at a friends in Jackson, and it looks like some of my friends lost their houses. I'm just happy everyone is alive.
I'm sorry to hear about your plight; luckily, reconstruction projects are likely going to need termite work!