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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 10 2012 04:18 GMT
#161
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 04:20 GMT
#162
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
October 10 2012 04:25 GMT
#163
On October 10 2012 11:26 Belha wrote:
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On October 09 2012 10:35 GhostTK wrote:
I'm against gays. I don't believe you are born with a sexual orientation. it is a learned behavior. Im not a homophobe by any means. I have a gay friend and several gay girl friends. I just don't think it is right. i think there is a reason there is man and woman. you don't see gays in animals. maybe occasional but if animals were gay they would all go extinct. theres a reason gays cant' reproduce. it wasn't intended. Therefore it is wrong.


Kinda this.

I'm have zero problem with gays. I have some gay friends/knowns too. But Jesus crist, i'm fking tired of reading people trying to make it look like a normal thing. Go find "normal", "regular", "natural" in the dictionary.
And the antonym of normal, is abnormal. Being gay is indeed abnormal. Accept it.
I repeat, i have nothing aganist gay people, gay marriage, or whatever.

What have indeed became normal is commenting "gay=normal" for pure political , bureaucratic and demagogic purposes (like TV ""stars"" and politicians....yes, the best people in the world...). This is sad.

EDIT: Oh and about the "genetic tendence" vs "learned behavior", i'm honestly fking tired. Why? So-called "legit" studies keep coming sustaining both theories ¬¬



Well no shit you could say gay people are "abnormal" just by the nature of them being minorities. Just like being left handed makes you a minority and not "normal". But it doesn't change the fact that you should be treated equally.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 10 2012 04:29 GMT
#164
The homophobes are coming out of the woodshed on this one. Boy am I tired of this discussion. As long as Catholic churches and the LDS church threaten to pull funding, the BSA will NEVER allow homosexuals. This is a lost cause, and, regrettably, as a former Eagle Scout (maybe not formerly, I guess you're actually one for life [get it? Life? The rank before... the.. Eagle... bah.]), I promise that these excluded individuals aren't missing out on shit!
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 10 2012 04:33 GMT
#165
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 04:38 GMT
#166
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 10 2012 04:40 GMT
#167
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 04:45 GMT
#168
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!
BadAssJ
Profile Joined October 2012
United States136 Posts
October 10 2012 04:48 GMT
#169
On October 09 2012 01:12 Zealos wrote:
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On October 09 2012 00:59 Cereb wrote:
On October 09 2012 00:47 neversummer wrote:
quite frankly I don't think gay men should be prancing around with large groups of 8-10 year old boys.



Wow. I didn't think people would be this dedicated to displaying their ignorance on a forum like TL. Pretty interesting actually!


You do realise that pedophilia and homosexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with each other, right?

Does this also mean that the heterosexual man/woman can't take care of kids of the opposite sex?



As for the topic, it really blows my mind that there are some parts of the western world where this ridiculous attitude to your fellow man still exists. Even more so when it comes to a group of such official status.

Agreed, it's the worst part of democracy too. The thought that people like this vote makes me quite pessimistic for the human race.

Yes there was no logic in that statement but does everyone seriously lose faith in humanity that easily?

Why can't we just accept the fact that we live in a divided world... all this negativity towards the human race is complete bullshit
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 10 2012 04:52 GMT
#170
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

That's an easy argument to make, "do nothing". But I'm not about to force my beliefs onto anybody, except my frankly basic belief that we're equals and should be treated as such. I don't want to be part of a society which gives more importance to the right to treat others as subhumans than to the right to being treated fairly.

And if your principles lead to that kind of shit (and they do), maybe your ideals are more moral than practical. And that's fucking useless.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 10 2012 04:53 GMT
#171
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 04:55 GMT
#172
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 04:56 GMT
#173
On October 10 2012 13:52 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

That's an easy argument to make, "do nothing". But I'm not about to force my beliefs onto anybody, except my frankly basic belief that we're equals and should be treated as such. I don't want to be part of a society which gives more importance to the right to treat others as subhumans than to the right to being treated fairly.

And if your principles lead to that kind of shit (and they do), maybe your ideals are more moral than practical. And that's fucking useless.

i dont know what you are talking about anymore.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 10 2012 05:01 GMT
#174
On October 10 2012 13:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html

So you're for people influencing individual entities' (businesses, clubs, etc.) policies but against the government getting directly involved, yes? I'm just trying to pinpoint your position, nothing more.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 05:05 GMT
#175
On October 10 2012 14:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.

I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html

So you're for people influencing individual entities' (businesses, clubs, etc.) policies but against the government getting directly involved, yes? I'm just trying to pinpoint your position, nothing more.

im all for people who have open dialogue on these issues, and all for people doing whatever they want (legally) to fight what they consider intolerance. sending letters to BSA to tell them they are asshats, boycotting girl scout cookies because they hate lesbians, telling news media that BSA are homophobes, etc. im all for BSA telling homosexuals that they do not fit within their religious beliefs and dont belong in their private little group of heteros. what im not for is the BSA going to the government and saying we need some legislation to force all members to disclose their sexual preference so we can ban their asses, and that there be criminal penalties for failing to do so. (totally turned that shit around on you guys!!) im also not for groups of homosexuals going to the government and saying fuck BSA's religious beliefs, make them let us join and make our kids eagle scouts. i find that quite unproductive.

so, there are my squishy positions in 30 secs or less. i should probably proofread this because you are going to nitpick, but i dont really feel like it. =D
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 10 2012 05:08 GMT
#176
On October 10 2012 14:05 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
[quote]
I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time.

i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html

So you're for people influencing individual entities' (businesses, clubs, etc.) policies but against the government getting directly involved, yes? I'm just trying to pinpoint your position, nothing more.

im all for people who have open dialogue on these issues, and all for people doing whatever they want (legally) to fight what they consider intolerance. sending letters to BSA to tell them they are asshats, boycotting girl scout cookies because they hate lesbians, telling news media that BSA are homophobes, etc. im all for BSA telling homosexuals that they do not fit within their religious beliefs and dont belong in their private little group of heteros. what im not for is the BSA going to the government and saying we need some legislation to force all members to disclose their sexual preference so we can ban their asses, and that there be criminal penalties for failing to do so. (totally turned that shit around on you guys!!) im also not for groups of homosexuals going to the government and saying fuck BSA's religious beliefs, make them let us join and make our kids eagle scouts. i find that quite unproductive.

so, there are my squishy positions in 30 secs or less. i should probably proofread this because you are going to nitpick, but i dont really feel like it. =D

A "Yes" would have worked too

No nitpicking, I just disagree slightly and I'll leave it at that
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 10 2012 05:09 GMT
#177
On October 10 2012 14:08 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:05 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe.

I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html

So you're for people influencing individual entities' (businesses, clubs, etc.) policies but against the government getting directly involved, yes? I'm just trying to pinpoint your position, nothing more.

im all for people who have open dialogue on these issues, and all for people doing whatever they want (legally) to fight what they consider intolerance. sending letters to BSA to tell them they are asshats, boycotting girl scout cookies because they hate lesbians, telling news media that BSA are homophobes, etc. im all for BSA telling homosexuals that they do not fit within their religious beliefs and dont belong in their private little group of heteros. what im not for is the BSA going to the government and saying we need some legislation to force all members to disclose their sexual preference so we can ban their asses, and that there be criminal penalties for failing to do so. (totally turned that shit around on you guys!!) im also not for groups of homosexuals going to the government and saying fuck BSA's religious beliefs, make them let us join and make our kids eagle scouts. i find that quite unproductive.

so, there are my squishy positions in 30 secs or less. i should probably proofread this because you are going to nitpick, but i dont really feel like it. =D

A "Yes" would have worked too

No nitpicking, I just disagree slightly and I'll leave it at that

;-)

you still have the most awesome name on tl.net. not sure how many times i told you that already.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 05:14:01
October 10 2012 05:13 GMT
#178
On October 10 2012 14:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:08 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:05 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:33 Djzapz wrote:
[quote]
I don't have a problem when it has to do making sure some people don't get treated like inferior citizen. Government shouldn't dictate what people think - the dislike of homosexuals can't be legislated about, but the discrimination of those people, who some years ago were treated as subhumans, seems important to me.

It's easy when you're not affected personally to just say it's fine, though. But it's lazy.

nobody has a problem forcing their beliefs on others when they feel their beliefs are justified. thats the whole problem.

Okay, I doth hear thee, but what is the limit of the level of intolerance we are supposed to tolerate?

thats the fun part, you dont have to tolerate it. you get to boycott them and voice your opinion about their homophobia.

i actually dropped out of boy scouts because of the gay rights issue because i felt it was wrong. i showed them!

But the primary purpose of boycotting and protest is usually to influence policy changes! But you said earlier that you don't want the government telling people how to think, implying you are against policy changes regarding discrimination?

i am against the gov't telling people what to do. i am not against you changing policies at BSA. take Chick-Fil-A for example. what certain local gov'ts did was bullshit (telling them they cant open up stores in the areas); people doing sit-ins and boycotts, etc. was great!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/chick_fil_a_gay_marriage_chicken_chain_appears_to_quietly_change_winshape_foundation_strategy_.html

So you're for people influencing individual entities' (businesses, clubs, etc.) policies but against the government getting directly involved, yes? I'm just trying to pinpoint your position, nothing more.

im all for people who have open dialogue on these issues, and all for people doing whatever they want (legally) to fight what they consider intolerance. sending letters to BSA to tell them they are asshats, boycotting girl scout cookies because they hate lesbians, telling news media that BSA are homophobes, etc. im all for BSA telling homosexuals that they do not fit within their religious beliefs and dont belong in their private little group of heteros. what im not for is the BSA going to the government and saying we need some legislation to force all members to disclose their sexual preference so we can ban their asses, and that there be criminal penalties for failing to do so. (totally turned that shit around on you guys!!) im also not for groups of homosexuals going to the government and saying fuck BSA's religious beliefs, make them let us join and make our kids eagle scouts. i find that quite unproductive.

so, there are my squishy positions in 30 secs or less. i should probably proofread this because you are going to nitpick, but i dont really feel like it. =D

A "Yes" would have worked too

No nitpicking, I just disagree slightly and I'll leave it at that

;-)

you still have the most awesome name on tl.net. not sure how many times i told you that already.

Mostly ironic now because I haven't had one in years (used to drink 3+ daily). Just coffee-coffee-coffee now
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 10 2012 05:54 GMT
#179
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.


No it isn't okay for them to stick to their views, because they are receiving government funding and benefits.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 06:06:29
October 10 2012 06:05 GMT
#180
On October 10 2012 14:54 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
its okay for the BSA to stick to their views.

its okay for people to boycott them for their views.


No it isn't okay for them to stick to their views, because they are receiving government funding and benefits.

well i'll be waiting for a counter argument for this, if there even is any...
dude bro.
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