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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On January 29 2013 17:13 Shiragaku wrote: That is the not worst of it. It also says you cannot eat shrimp! An uncircumcised boy is to be abandoned by his parents and community..that one was just special to me, like its the boys fault or something. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
In Athens, pederasty was legal but there was a opposition to it and adult male on male homosexuality was generally frowned upon, especially if you were the receiving person. In Rome, it was on and off and there are interesting stories about it. In Japan, homosexuality was a significant part of the culture until it was outlawed in the Meiji Era and gay rights is rarely brought up in the modern era, but the LDP opposes it. Chairman Mao and Stalin opposed homosexuality and called it a corruption of the West and the Nepalese Maoists said that in a socialist society, there would be no need for homosexuality to exist and Engles did not speak well of it either and we know that those guys are not exactly religious people. I could give more and more examples, but in the end, I doubt that homophobia would have been erased if religion did not exist at all. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Finganforn
Sweden77 Posts
If they want to exclude gays, or asians, or californians, it's their right to do so. And it is our right to criticise them for it. That they get public funding sounds ridiculous to me, but with the US giving tax exemptions to even to scientology it doesn't seem surprising. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On January 29 2013 16:31 sam!zdat wrote: You think Imaginary things are not important? Santa Claus is imaginary, why aren't we trying to placate him with human sacrifice? Imaginary things, like comics, literature, our fundamental creative thinking process etc, are all immensely important. They become dangerous when they are accredited importance beyond their due. I like Spiderman, I don't think he's real and I don't think he's going to save the world from climate change. Some people think whatever deity they worship will do this. This is dangerous and counter-productive thinking, expecting our imagination to affect the real world is something we have to grow out of at some stage. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:23 McBengt wrote: Santa Claus is imaginary, why aren't we trying to placate him with human sacrifice? Imaginary things, like comics, literature, our fundamental creative thinking process etc, are all immensely important. They become dangerous when they are accredited importance beyond their due. I like Spiderman, I don't think he's real and I don't think he's going to save the world from climate change. Some people think whatever deity they worship will do this. This is dangerous and counter-productive thinking, expecting our imagination to affect the real world is something we have to grow out of at some stage. How awesome would it be if there was a comic where spiderman fought climate change. More on topic it doesn't require a deity for people believe in complete nonsense as evidenced by the heaps of pseudoscientific nonsense floating about the internet. A deity just acts as an excuse that society is more accepting of. | ||
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Steglich
Denmark282 Posts
This reminds me of the south park episode with gay al of whatever his name is. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On January 29 2013 19:39 imallinson wrote: How awesome would it be if there was a comic where spiderman fought climate change. More on topic it doesn't require a deity for people believe in complete nonsense as evidenced by the heaps of pseudoscientific nonsense floating about the internet. A deity just acts as an excuse that society is more accepting of. Sure, but it all stems from the same basic principle, substituting reality with our own version of it, whether it's Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, Scientology, junk science etc. The problem is, reality really doesn't give it a shit, and doesn't become less real because we choose to believe otherwise. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imaginary_(psychoanalysis) edit: and, yes, I know you're all secular and smart and rational now and you think religion is for idiots, we get it. Aren't you special. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
But I suppose the petulant, puerile attitude whenever religion is held to the same standard as every other claim is to be expected by now. I am willing to objectively analyze any evidence for any claim. Just bring it on. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8219 Posts
On January 30 2013 01:22 sam!zdat wrote: This was my joke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imaginary_(psychoanalysis) edit: and, yes, I know you're all secular and smart and rational now and you think religion is for idiots, we get it. Aren't you special. Lacanian trolling. I see what you did there. (By the way i never managed to get if Lacan was the greatest and most genius troll in history of if he was serious). | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 09 2012 00:43 MooMu wrote: Boy Scouts of America Rejects Eagle Scout Status to Gay Member BSA standing up for their backwards policies against homosexuals yet again. I respect their firm stance on this issue as it will make it more abundantly clear that this organization is inimical to a compassionate and progressive society and culture. I propose they change their name to The Faggotless Boy Scouts of America (FBSA) to avoid any further issues in the future.Edited by KwarK to head off religion tangents [Redacted - I was pissed. You understand] Don't support the BSA until they get their shit together and join the rest of us in modernity. Lol so their supposed to just drop everything that their organization stands for just because somebody who likes the opposite sex wants to join? That's preposterous. If their policies were written in respect to their religion then I don't see why you people don't think that they should be allowed to uphold it. It's always a one way ticket with you folks. Your way or the highway eh? | ||
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farvacola
United States18872 Posts
On January 30 2013 01:56 Biff The Understudy wrote: Lacanian trolling. I see what you did there. (By the way i never managed to get if Lacan was the greatest and most genius troll in history of if he was serious). The answer, my friend, is both  | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1081 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:32 BlazeFury01 wrote: Lol so their supposed to just drop everything that their organization stands for just because somebody who likes the opposite sex wants to join? That's preposterous. If their policies were written in respect to their religion then I don't see why you people don't think that they should be allowed to uphold it. It's always a one way ticket with you folks. Your way or the highway eh? I think even the KKK is required to allow black members to join. You can believe whatever you want - but you can't be discriminatory in terms of you r membership. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:16 Arghmyliver wrote: I think even the KKK is required to allow black members to join. You can believe whatever you want - but you can't be discriminatory in terms of you r membership. I figured that would be an argument you would try to direct my way. Homosexuality has no color. lol you comparing a hate crime organization to a religious organization. I see what point you're trying to make though. But still, Homosexuality has no color and it certainly doesn't say Race: Homosexual on your license. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:27 BlazeFury01 wrote: I figured that would be an argument you would try to direct my way. Homosexuality has no color. lol you comparing a hate crime organization to a religious organization. I see what point you're trying to make though. But still, Homosexuality has no color and it certainly doesn't say Race: Homosexual on your license. so what you are saying is taht it is ok to believe that homosexuality is bad but not that being black is bad? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
There are 28 million scouts worldwide - and growing. There are only 6 countries, out of 222 that do not have a scout organisation. This of course includes countries of ALL religions. There are MORE Muslim scouts than Christian Scouts. It is not an organisation that is unwilling to change or stuck in the past (despite what the BSA might try to say); for instance they now take girls as well. UK scouting has been open to LGBT for many years. I could point out Baden Powell was British and some historians believe he may have been gay himself. Its a fantastic organisation, in my opinion, that does a lot of good work for young people. It that helps kids from all backgrounds to do exciting activities and learn to achieve goals outside of school. Please don't paint every group with the same brush. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:38 sVnteen wrote: so what you are saying is taht it is ok to believe that homosexuality is bad but not that being black is bad? Well, I look at it this way. Being A color of race doesn't stop reproduction. Ask yourself this: If the whole world was homosexual, how on earth would mankind cease to exist with no reproduction? If the whole world was black that wouldn't effect anything. However, it would certainly cure racism. I would say that it's not your choice to be born black, but in the same instance people tell me that they're born homosexual, so I have to rule out this comparison and refer to the reproductive analogy above. Is it right? Logically, no. Is it wrong to discriminate against them? Yes, but not under religious intent. There should be a similar program for homosexuals. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
Could anyone please explain to me that imaginary wikipedia page in terms a high school student could understand? lol | ||
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