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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 19:34:40
October 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#161
There needs to be more information about the teleport power— can the person accidentally teleport into something solid and die (and how easy could it happen?)? has he had to seen the area before? is there a range limit? can the location be based off someone else's location or some other abstract/dynamic descriptor (the largest building, the least-inhabited area, etc.)


Death note guy seems like he'd be at a very large disadvantage.
Out of all the characters, he'd have no easy way of making money (and hence defense/offense) aside from maybe being a tyrant and hitman, which aren't that easy, and would bring lots of unwanted attention.

loop, teleport, and time stop all have similar features in that they can quite easily get out of (or prevent) a very bad situation quickly and easily, so which one winds out of them may just be dependent on their intelligence and luck.

Omniscence power probably gives the most most power. There would kinda have to be certain questions the power couldn't answer though, such as ones pertaining to the future, which just can't work. Teaming up with or somehow blackmailing/threatening death note person would give him a pretty easy and straightforward win.

edit: I misunderstood the looping power — seems like it would probably be the most powerful, but slightly dependent on the luck of the draw on what questions omniscent person asks for the first 3 days.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
October 02 2012 19:20 GMT
#162
I know this is not what the discussion is for, but living 100years would make me realize that there is so much more in life than trying to figure out how to kill 4 guys. Or, repeating 3 days nearly infinately means I can get away with doing anything pleasent even if it is a crime. No.5 guy has to be a really dedicated person.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
October 02 2012 19:21 GMT
#163
On October 03 2012 03:58 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote:
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.


heres what happened
>someone mentions "useless superpowers"
>one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg
>someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds
>Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback
>6 are mentioned
"What if these 6 had a fight!?"
>One of them is fucking stupid and got removed
>these 5 remain
>Debate for hours
>make this thread


i found this on google, obviously 4) was removed

http://images.4chan.org/r9k/src/1349156336182.jpg
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 19:29:35
October 02 2012 19:22 GMT
#164
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote:
I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).

I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.

GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.

Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught."
The important thing is, that the answer will adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.

This would imply certain things:
omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman)
omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy)
omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:24 GMT
#165
On October 03 2012 04:21 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 03:58 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote:
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.


heres what happened
>someone mentions "useless superpowers"
>one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg
>someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds
>Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback
>6 are mentioned
"What if these 6 had a fight!?"
>One of them is fucking stupid and got removed
>these 5 remain
>Debate for hours
>make this thread


i found this on google, obviously 4) was removed

http://images.4chan.org/r9k/src/1349156336182.jpg

yeah we found this image, sadly we all browse r9k frequently (Im not so orignal as i had everyone thinking lol)
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Rut
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States70 Posts
October 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#166
I can imagine this turned into a movie revolving around the the Groundhog Day guy. Having no "real" super ability, he would use intelligence and repetition to eventually learn how to defeat the first three enemies, but he can never get an upperhand against the "final boss" that is the omniscient guy. Mr. Omniscient becomes horribly frightening, and Groundhog Day starts to lose his mental stability with each successive failure. He resorts to convincing all the others that Mr. Omniscient is the most powerful, and they team up, only still to fail repeatedly. More and more he dreads the inevitable end. Finally Mr. Groundhog has run out of repeats and tries to enjoy his last days, having given up on the challenge. You see Mr. Omniscient methodically destroy the others, one by one, and then confront Mr. Groundhog last (knowing that he was no longer a threat). They meet in a quiet place and have a conversation as human beings for the first time. Then Mr. Omniscient wins, easily, as he knew he would all along.

Now if they can get Bill Murray to play Mr. Groundhog...
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:27 GMT
#167
On October 03 2012 04:14 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:

1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.

1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.

2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.

3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.

4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.

5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.


#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.

#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.

#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.

#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.

identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.


Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.


nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period


Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.

HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
October 02 2012 19:29 GMT
#168
On October 03 2012 04:27 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:14 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:

1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.

1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.

2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.

3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.

4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.

5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.


#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.

#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.

#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.

#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.

identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.


Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.


nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period


Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.

HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.


Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#169
On October 03 2012 04:19 Xapti wrote:
There needs to be more information about the teleport power— can the person accidentally teleport into something solid and die (and how easy could it happen?)? has he had to seen the area before? is there a range limit? can the location be based off someone else's location or some other abstract/dynamic descriptor (the largest building, the least-inhabited area, etc.)


Death note guy seems like he'd be at a very large disadvantage.
Out of all the characters, he'd have no easy way of making money (and hence defense/offense) aside from maybe being a tyrant and hitman, which aren't that easy, and would bring lots of unwanted attention.

loop, teleport, and time stop all have similar features in that they can quite easily get out of (or prevent) a very bad situation quickly and easily, so which one winds out of them may just be dependent on their intelligence and luck.

Omniscence power probably gives the most most power. There would kinda have to be certain questions the power couldn't answer though, such as ones pertaining to the future, which just can't work. Teaming up with or somehow blackmailing/threatening death note person would give him a pretty easy and straightforward win.


his teleport cannot end his life. he is also restricted to the planet earth.
He can teleport anywhere he has a mental image of, or to a close proximity of someone he has a mental image of
no range limit, except "on earth"

And to everyone saying "Omniscient can just ask what happened in former loops" yeah, he can, but imagine HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE for the voice to convey all of that information, days, weeks, years, even the "previous loop" would take a significant amount of time to explain fully.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#170
On October 03 2012 04:22 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote:
I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).

I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.

GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.

Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught."
The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.

This would imply certain things:
omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman)
omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy)
omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.


Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
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forestry
Profile Joined August 2012
95 Posts
October 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#171
On October 03 2012 01:29 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote:
I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?

What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?

'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?


he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond

Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.

Isn't it possible for him to just have people working for him in every city?
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:32 GMT
#172
On October 03 2012 04:29 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:27 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:14 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:

1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.

1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.

2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.

3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.

4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.

5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.


#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.

#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.

#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.

#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.

identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.


Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.


nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period


Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.

HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.


Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.


his main issue is surviving the 1st 3 days. after that he wins nearly by default.
If the others want to survive, correct me if im wrong, they need to help GHG kill omniscient before his 3 days is up, or they will certainly lose.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:36 GMT
#173
im sorry guys i need to get some sleep, i'll (try) and answer all your questions in... 8 and a half hours. if not then, i'll probably get around to it sometime Thursday morning (my time) /: (wednesday-today is literally going to be wake up, do work, go to uni, do speech, go to group meeting, go to class, go home, pass out until thursday)
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
October 02 2012 19:36 GMT
#174
On October 03 2012 04:24 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:21 snailz wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:58 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote:
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.


heres what happened
>someone mentions "useless superpowers"
>one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg
>someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds
>Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback
>6 are mentioned
"What if these 6 had a fight!?"
>One of them is fucking stupid and got removed
>these 5 remain
>Debate for hours
>make this thread


i found this on google, obviously 4) was removed

http://images.4chan.org/r9k/src/1349156336182.jpg

yeah we found this image, sadly we all browse r9k frequently (Im not so orignal as i had everyone thinking lol)


nah its ok i may even use this as a workshop in my debating group
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
October 02 2012 19:37 GMT
#175
On October 03 2012 04:29 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:27 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:14 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:

1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.

1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.

2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.

3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.

4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.

5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.


#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.

#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.

#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.

#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.

identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.


Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.


nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period


Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.

HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.


Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.

Resuming, #5 would live the first 3 day span 12750 times, and he would remember the outcome of each cycle and adapt to it. And other people's actions/places/events wouldn't change on these cycles, unless they #5 affected them directly or indirectly.
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 19:40 GMT
#176
On October 03 2012 04:37 antilyon wrote:
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On October 03 2012 04:29 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:27 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:14 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:

1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.

1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.

2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.

3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.

4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.

5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.


#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.

#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.

#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.

#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.

identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.


Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.


nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period


Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.

HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.


Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.

Resuming, #5 would live the first 3 day span 12750 times, and he would remember the outcome of each cycle and adapt to it. And other people's actions/places/events wouldn't change on these cycles, unless they #5 affected them directly or indirectly.


you did in 2 lines what i failed to do in 10+ posts. goddamit. legend though.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 02 2012 19:41 GMT
#177
On October 03 2012 04:30 Sbrubbles wrote:
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On October 03 2012 04:22 Hryul wrote:
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote:
I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).

I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.

GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.

Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught."
The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.

This would imply certain things:
omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman)
omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy)
omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.


Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?

pretty much, yes.

maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent.
time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle.
deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
October 02 2012 19:43 GMT
#178
I think adding a mind-reading power would be good for a 6th person.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
forestry
Profile Joined August 2012
95 Posts
October 02 2012 19:46 GMT
#179
By any chance, did you get this from a cartoon/comic? (non western)
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
October 02 2012 19:46 GMT
#180
I find guy 4 and 5 the most likely winners.

Guy 4 can choose from a number of offensive and defensive strategies (the hard part would be phrasing the questions to avoid getting screwed over by an impossible answer ).
- Asking how to remove all traces of himself, using the remaining time to obtain information about the other and sending hitmen out to kill them (money should not be a problem).
- Going in the offensive to kill guy 3 and obtain his death note book and simply asking the right questions hereafter.
- Asking what would be his best strategy and executing it.

Guy 5 has to activate his ground hog thing within the first few days, before guy 4 gains an unstoppable upper hand. But even in activating it early guy 5 has only tipped the odds in his favor, since locating 4 other people around the globe and arranging their assassination within 3 days is something he could fail at.. even with a timespan of 100 years to do it. The most interesting outcome is him killing guy 4 leaving the battlefield open for the other players.
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