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On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions
ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying.
he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
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Umm I just flew over the thread so please correct me if this was allready brought up but:
Can't omni-guy asks everyday what at this exact day will happen to him?
I mean the answer is definatly different each day and in which terms can this tell be influenced by "fate"?
Because if he could ask this question couldn't he simply wait(read: stay alive) untill only one guy is left?
This would maybe include to reserve some days to ask how many guys are still alive or "is X still alive?".
On the other hand he could simply try to make his defense impenetrable by the others abilities due to his omni-knowledge.
Strategies came to my mind(feel free to add and destroy  ):
Build a bunker (enough people explained how to get money), install enough selfshooting devices or stuff that needs to deactivated and still hruts when time is frozen (some kind of laser? maybe gas?). This would most likly take out FreezeTime ability.
To counter GDG no normal defense system would work till he has too many tries.
But what would work is a system which excells at tries to break than he has, every guy into coding has enough examples.
Construct a selfshooting device or simliar which can only be deactived by hacking some xxx-bit code salted and everything you can imagine which techonlgy has to offer.
Sure he has 12000 lifes, but it is pure luck to hit the right combination if there are billions.
Now the two tricky ones are left for my scenario: teleport guy and death note guy.
Teleport guy really gives me a headache. So he can teleport to a place and teleport back from where he started.
That would mean sure death for omni-guy.
Now I again have some questions, how fast can he teleport back? Can the teleport be detected, so is it instant?
If he knew that omni-guy lifes at a bunker at coordinate X,Y,Z but don't know the exact architecture how does he prevent himself from being stuck in a wall would that mean death?
Since those questions will affect what I write now don't pick on that too much:
If the teleport guy kinda "randomly" ports into the room where omni-guy lives you could maybe think of a system without a "floor" so you need to activate where you want to go so the floor gets walkable (doesnt matter if there are spikes, holes, lasers or other smart devices). This would make the possibility of teleport guy to teleport to omni-guy and kill near 0%.
And he would need to get an exact plan of the bunker to not be stuck which can be easly be avoid or even faked (like different plans archived at the gov than the bunker actually looks like).
Left would be Mr. Death Note.
I was always curious (after reading a bit into the manga) what would happen if you erase every evidence of your real name and change your name. This would make it nearly impossible to get your real name, only by torture or ... an omni guy :D
So he could disappear when he get known to the ability of death note, but creating a scenario where you tell everyone you know a story that would make sense (going to foreign legion as a drastic one) so you don't appear in any "missing"-registers.
Without a specific way to search for someone who disappeared (register etc.) I can't imagine a fail-save way to kill omni guy.
I know this all are very specific scenarios and I only gavve it about 30-40 minutes of thought but hey, this is what the thread is about right? :D
TLDR; Omni guy builds penetrable-proof bunker.
Killing devices which needs to deactivated to counter freezeing.
Killing device which needs to be deactivated with a code which is encrypted (read: more than billions tries)
Hide/Fake architecture of the bunker and build a device which "enables" squares of the floor to walk on.
Pretend to go to the foreign legion and change identity.
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On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote:
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
heres what happened
>someone mentions "useless superpowers"
>one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg
>someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds
>Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback
>6 are mentioned
"What if these 6 had a fight!?"
>One of them is fucking stupid and got removed
>these 5 remain
>Debate for hours
>make this thread
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Honestly this is like higher level math or something...absurdly abstract and confusing beyond reason.
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On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
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On October 03 2012 03:57 bluQ wrote:Umm I just flew over the thread so please correct me if this was allready brought up but: Can't omni-guy asks everyday what at this exact day will happen to him? I mean the answer is definatly different each day and in which terms can this tell be influenced by "fate"? Because if he could ask this question couldn't he simply wait(read: stay alive) untill only one guy is left? This would maybe include to reserve some days to ask how many guys are still alive or "is X still alive?". On the other hand he could simply try to make his defense impenetrable by the others abilities due to his omni-knowledge. Strategies came to my mind(feel free to add and destroy ): Build a bunker (enough people explained how to get money), install enough selfshooting devices or stuff that needs to deactivated and still hruts when time is frozen (some kind of laser? maybe gas?). This would most likly take out FreezeTime ability. To counter GDG no normal defense system would work till he has too many tries. But what would work is a system which excells at tries to break than he has, every guy into coding has enough examples. Construct a selfshooting device or simliar which can only be deactived by hacking some xxx-bit code salted and everything you can imagine which techonlgy has to offer. Sure he has 12000 lifes, but it is pure luck to hit the right combination if there are billions. Now the two tricky ones are left for my scenario: teleport guy and death note guy. Teleport guy really gives me a headache. So he can teleport to a place and teleport back from where he started. That would mean sure death for omni-guy. Now I again have some questions, how fast can he teleport back? Can the teleport be detected, so is it instant? If he knew that omni-guy lifes at a bunker at coordinate X,Y,Z but don't know the exact architecture how does he prevent himself from being stuck in a wall would that mean death? Since those questions will affect what I write now don't pick on that too much: If the teleport guy kinda "randomly" ports into the room where omni-guy lives you could maybe think of a system without a "floor" so you need to activate where you want to go so the floor gets walkable (doesnt matter if there are spikes, holes, lasers or other smart devices). This would make the possibility of teleport guy to teleport to omni-guy and kill near 0%. And he would need to get an exact plan of the bunker to not be stuck which can be easly be avoid or even faked (like different plans archived at the gov than the bunker actually looks like). Left would be Mr. Death Note. I was always curious (after reading a bit into the manga) what would happen if you erase every evidence of your real name and change your name. This would make it nearly impossible to get your real name, only by torture or ... an omni guy :D So he could disappear when he get known to the ability of death note, but creating a scenario where you tell everyone you know a story that would make sense (going to foreign legion as a drastic one) so you don't appear in any "missing"-registers. Without a specific way to search for someone who disappeared (register etc.) I can't imagine a fail-save way to kill omni guy. I know this all are very specific scenarios and I only gavve it about 30-40 minutes of thought but hey, this is what the thread is about right? :D TLDR; Omni guy builds penetrable-proof bunker. Killing devices which needs to deactivated to counter freezeing. Killing device which needs to be deactivated with a code which is encrypted (read: more than billions tries) Hide/Fake architecture of the bunker and build a device which "enables" squares of the floor to walk on. Pretend to go to the foreign legion and change identity.
Im sorry for pointing out such an obvious flaw, but unless the bunker already exists and omni guy has access to it. there is no way for him to construct it before he gets killed (GHG would find it man, he fuckin would)
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On October 03 2012 02:46 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:38 Kommatiazo wrote:
Groundhog Day man should just set his three day timer, use his do-overs to continually track and memorize each of the other contestants, find a way to kill each one of them in turn, reliving each scenario until he perfects the execution and succeeds (I assume it would take time and be exceedingly difficult, but he would have more than a lifetime of do-overs to get it right), and eventually he will have killed the other contestants at least once each, and hopefully still have time left on the 100 years of do-overs so that in his final reliving none of them has died, but since he killed all of them in his own alternate universes, he won the game and becomes a god since it is not specified in their dream that there must be only one left at one specific point in time. gg no re, am I right? Or am I nit-picking the rules so much that I'm breaking it? logically, the winner is the last one left alive. So you could interpret this as all 4 others dead simultaneously. so he has to kill them all in the same time loop. which is impossible due to different continents. BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR GHG: Kill omniscient with <x> strategy he spent 1000 times perfecting. minimum 7 hours to fly there. Fly to another continent (Minimum 12 hours, what with transport and all) kill the death note guy. Another 12 hours to travel to the time stopper. who uses his 5 hours to put distance between himself and GHG. another 5+ hours to track him down. 12 hours to get to the teleporter, who conveniently teleports to the other side of the world. another 12 hours to reach him again, when he teleports back to the original location (Guess what, 12 hours) By now the 3 day period of GHG's dominance is over. teleporter has clear advantage and wins I KNEW I COULD SAVE HIM
Or GHG could just wait for the teleport guy to come back since he won't know if GHG is coming for him :D
Somehow I'm feeling seriously fearful like it's a horror movie. Last time I read about crazy paradox/no way out games on wikipedia (forgot the proper term) I felt the same way but somehow I just couldn't stop reading............... I'm serious
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On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote:
im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D:
ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times
>1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter
>2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is.
>Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions:
1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3...
2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2?
3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time?
4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'?
5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever?
6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is?
That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him.
Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people.
Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it.
Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know.
Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?"
TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
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On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently. Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP)
It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
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On October 03 2012 04:03 phiinix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote:
im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D:
ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times
>1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter
>2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is.
>Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy. Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions: 1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3... 2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2? 3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time? 4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'? 5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever? 6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is? That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him. Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people. Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it. Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know. Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?" TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
will edit OP for you, read it again in 5 mins.
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On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote:
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
Teleport guy IMO has one of the best defensive abilities, but GDG and Omniscient are just too strong.
I really wanted to GDG to win but I can't see him beating Omniscient if he asks a question basing on GDG's behavior like:
How do I kill GDG today without being killed?
Unless the answer is impossible, which I doubt it would be since they had 1 year to play around with their powers therefore Omniscient has endless resources.
Omnscience just has to repeat this question 5 times, But teleport guy is the only one with power to force a stalemate by teleporting somewhere Omnscient can't go no mather what.
And if he tries to kill teleport guy on first day, he would die to GDG.
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On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat for #4:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4, before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
How do you just "buy a submarine"? are you BIll Gates too?
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what is the death note guy's Achellies? just that he has to see their face?
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On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
#4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond.
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On October 03 2012 04:03 phiinix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote:
im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D:
ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times
>1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter
>2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is.
>Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy. Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions: 1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3... 2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2? 3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time? 4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'? 5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever? 6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is? That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him. Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people. Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it. Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know. Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?" TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
You never watched groundhogday?
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I would bet for omni guy. Knowledge is power, and he can access it all. Unless he is dumb, he should win.
The "pathetic looser" prize would go to the 3-day timeloop guy. No way in earth he could use his power in a timely manner to make him win the game, ie use it compulsively to avoid death by some of the other 4 and when he finally defends, has no way to find out and kill the remaining players. The best way to use his power hands down would be to do the same thing the movie guy did, but with a lot of different girls xD
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On October 03 2012 04:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently. #4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond.
hilarious! thats even better than my argument. (but it would imply that omni guy survives day 1 from GHG)
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On October 03 2012 04:05 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:00 ketomai wrote:On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently. Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low. nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
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I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
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On October 03 2012 04:14 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:10 TheYango wrote:On October 03 2012 03:55 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote:
Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo. identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently. #4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond. hilarious! thats even better than my argument. (but it would imply that omni guy survives day 1 from GHG)
He has to. Unless GHG successfully kills EVERYONE in one cycle, the 3 day cycle resets and he has to start all over again, which means that the omniscient guy STILL gets to go back and benefit from whatever he may have learned before he died that first day.
As a corollary to this, this means that #4 can prevent #5 from winning so long as he ensures at least one other person survives each cycle--it doesn't have to be himself. Though surviving himself naturally increases the number of questions he can ask because dying before day 2 or 3 means he can't ask questions on those days.
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