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On October 03 2012 03:28 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:24 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:20 Hryul wrote:On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote:
The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed. I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself. 1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG. darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile 
>Send cruise missile
>Army (or whatever) fucks you up
game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now!
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as i see it, voice guy is the only one with a reliable way of tracking the others down. considering they are spread all over the world this makes him the strongest pretty much no? the fact that they understand each other in their natural language may also play a role, as any time they speek in public they would instantly demask themselves to some of the others guys, if they are around.
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Guy 4 and 5 would just go insane. Therefore Freeze time guy would win. While deathnote guy writes down the name, freeze guy would just freeze time and kill him before the name is fully written. I'm guessing teleport guy is just like the movie jumper. Freeze guy would just eventually steal enough money to fund a militia and hunt teleport guy down.
Meanwhile Guy 5 would commit suicide after having to experience that much time. Guy 4 would become insane after asking the wrong questions and being filled with corrupt/unimaginable knowledge. Some ambitious question like, Can you explain everything?
Or you could go with the easy explanation that they just all commit suicide when they realize they don't want to live forever.
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On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote:
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Planes defy time and space?
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A few things to consider:
- they might not have money if one of their virtues is honesty
- i guess it would be easy to get fat / get surgery / chop off a finger or two if you needed to change your looks
- is killing a necesity? accidents might happen [...]
I'm surprised a lot of people go with #4. Knowing is one thing, getting to live a moment tens / hundreds of times is astonishing.
My money is on GHG. A lifetime to plan the death of 4 people? Take it anytime, especially considering each and every one of them left "signs".
First guy is hard-countered by sunday night ^^.
If anyone hasn't mentioned it before:
This would be about the best movie plot imagineable.
99% of movie from omni and time freeze PoV, then the ending is the ghg guy telling his nephews a bedtime story zzzziiiiiinnggg.
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On October 03 2012 03:32 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:28 Hryul wrote:On October 03 2012 03:24 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:20 Hryul wrote:On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote:
The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed. I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself. 1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG. darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile >Send cruise missile >Army (or whatever) fucks you up game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now!
It was just a stupid exaggeration. The question would be: how do I kill GHG today without getting killed/disabling myself.
The answer then doesn't have to include "walking up to GHG".
Some sort of this question should be the winner, because the answer varies through the behavior of GHG.
Also I'd like to ask a question because theoretically you could survive death by heart attack through reanimation. Yes, you would be (clinically) dead for like 5 mins but that must not necessarily cause "severe" damage to braincells.
E: according to WP, 3 mins without reanimating measures is most likely the point of no return for a brain without oxigen.
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The argument is pretty dumb, because anything anyone says will just have "but what if omniscient guy asks this very specific question for no reason" and then it gets into a dickwaving contest about its likelihood. It happens in any versus argument if someone has a versatile enough power.
Really, unless omniscient guy specifically asks on the first day how to specifically kill GHDG on the first day, and follows through the plan exactly (people seem to underestimate or ignore the possibility of human error, especially with a guy with basically unlimited time and knowledge to manipulate the scenario repeatedly), GHDG wins, because when you repeat the same thing over and over, you'll end up knowing the outcome of every scenario possible and the most efficient way to do anything. It's omniscience by trial and error.
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If anyone hasn't mentioned it before:
This would be about the best movie plot imagineable.
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Very interesting and fun post. I'd personally have to go with teleport guy (a. because I think this ability is the coolest, and b. because once he finds out about one of the others he can just teleport right next to them, kill them, and teleport away).
That said though, the omnipotent guy might have a big edge simply because he will be able to find out who the others are very very quickly and also ask exactly where they are and what the best way to defeat them would be... like I said, very interesting topic.
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On October 03 2012 03:39 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote:
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries. Planes defy time and space?
yes, they do.
wait, what, no they fuckin don't
thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't.
the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
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On October 03 2012 03:41 Prugelhugel wrote:
If anyone hasn't mentioned it before:
This would be about the best movie plot imagineable.
Ehh this is more or less a variation of Highlander. Still would be good though.
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Omniscient guy.
Query: "How do I kill these other four people.
Answer: *he tells you how to do it*
Do it, gg
(Or just avoid the entire problem by finding out what the other people want most in life and buying their trust through good faith + team up and defeat all those who are adamant about killing you.)
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On October 03 2012 03:42 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:39 thezanursic wrote:On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote:
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries. Planes defy time and space? yes, they do. wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't. the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
If the omniscient voice guy asks "what is the nature of the god who ordained this task?", what does he hear back?
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On October 03 2012 03:41 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:32 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:28 Hryul wrote:On October 03 2012 03:24 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:20 Hryul wrote:On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote:
The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed. I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself. 1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG. darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile >Send cruise missile >Army (or whatever) fucks you up game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now! It was just a stupid exaggeration. The question would be: how do I kill GHG today without getting killed/disabling myself. The answer then doesn't have to include "walking up to GHG". Some sort of this question should be the winner, because the answer varies through the behavior of GHG. Also I'd like to ask a question because theoretically you could survive death by heart attack through reanimation. Yes, you would be (clinically) dead for like 5 mins but that must not necessarily cause "severe" damage to braincells.
god damnit. your last point has me. I don't know the answer. If I wanted to impose a rule i would say "Dead with no chance of revival" however this removes some fun /tactics from omniscient guy, and makes GHG even more OP'd. I'm going to let other people decide what to do about it.
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On October 03 2012 03:42 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:39 thezanursic wrote:On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote:
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries. Planes defy time and space? yes, they do. wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't. the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
That's a pretty retarded plot, but I was refeering to the fact that it was stated that you can't get all over the world in 5 hours by plane (referring to frozen time, but obviously planes couldn't move when time is frozen and you didn't specify if the individual could unfreeze an object at will or if it was unfrozen when the subject touched it)
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On October 03 2012 03:44 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:42 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 03:39 thezanursic wrote:On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote:
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries. Planes defy time and space? yes, they do. wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't. the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep. If the omniscient voice guy asks "what is the nature of the god who ordained this task?", what does he hear back?
the god has grown tired of life and wants to pass on his powers to a successor, for fun. he also wants to observe the "Battle Royale" for entertainment. The god is Deus Ex Machina. and loves unexpected plot twists.
edit: maybe the voice goes for a 1-word nature and says "Playful".
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Here's my strat for #4:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4, before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
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Am I the only one who voted for Guy 2 (Teleportation Guy)? Guess everyone just was too enamored with GHDG and Omnipotent Guy...
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guy #4. he has 365 questions to ask and plan out the best strategy/tactics to take down the other guys after one year.
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This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
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