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On September 19 2012 03:41 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help. agree on that (no clue about gw2, gw was fun tho). addons are shit and made playing feel like staring at stupid excel. no question some stuff was needed(but couldve been added by blizz as well) but the game became a spreadsheet with a bit of fantasy stuff behind it at both high level pve and pvp.
I'm confused. If you don't like looking at recount numbers, then don't use the addon.
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On September 19 2012 03:48 BlackPanther wrote:
So it's not Activision thats turning Blizzard to shit, its Blizzard.
lolol.. pretty much how I read this...
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With the fall from grace of Blizzard and Bioware, all I have left to rely on is Valve.
Comeonnnnn HL3.
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On September 19 2012 03:29 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the complaint of releasing "half completed titles" is a smear job complaint you can make about any piece of software ever made. all you do is define "complete-ness" as including some feature that was not in the game on release. the core SC2 game was a lot closer to balanced than SC1 was when it was released. as has been documented on many occasions the SC1 engine is an horrific monstrosity requiring continuous bug fixes. some people should check out what ex-employees said about Adham's management of Blizzard/Chaos/Silicon&Synapse from 1997 to 1999. it was hardly nirvana. the bottom line is that out of all companies who make competitive RTS games Blizzard continues to offer the best post sales support of any company by a huge margin. who wants to play some Red Alert 3? or maybe some Company of Heroes?  I don't get comments like this. SC2 is inferior to SC1 because the units are less interesting -- it makes for a worse spectator sport IMO. Colossus has nothing on reaver micro i.e., colossus is just an A-move unit. Which most are in the game. I feel like BW required a lot more micro and the units were more interesting. It's not because SC2 is imbalanced comparatively, but because it's more boring to watch and even to play. And Diablo 3 is basically Diablo 2 with fewer features and a more annoying in-your-face-everyfuckingtime-you-play story.
i agree Brood War is a better game.
nothing is stopping you from playing Brood War.
does this mean Blizzard, as it is today, is an absolute total disaster.
nope.
does this mean SC1 is a software engineering masterpiece?
no.
does this mean that on the day SC1 was released that it was a competitive tour de force? no.
the "chicken little sky is falling" posts directed at Blizzard will not allow the company to improve because it is not constructive criticism.
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Hmm, interesting. Of course, I didn't expect them to say "hey, we're Vivendi-Universal's bitch", nonetheless, it's always cool to hear about the devs' point of view.
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On September 19 2012 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:29 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the complaint of releasing "half completed titles" is a smear job complaint you can make about any piece of software ever made. all you do is define "complete-ness" as including some feature that was not in the game on release. the core SC2 game was a lot closer to balanced than SC1 was when it was released. as has been documented on many occasions the SC1 engine is an horrific monstrosity requiring continuous bug fixes. some people should check out what ex-employees said about Adham's management of Blizzard/Chaos/Silicon&Synapse from 1997 to 1999. it was hardly nirvana. the bottom line is that out of all companies who make competitive RTS games Blizzard continues to offer the best post sales support of any company by a huge margin. who wants to play some Red Alert 3? or maybe some Company of Heroes? I don't get comments like this. SC2 is inferior to SC1 because the units are less interesting -- it makes for a worse spectator sport IMO. Colossus has nothing on reaver micro i.e., colossus is just an A-move unit. Which most are in the game. I feel like BW required a lot more micro and the units were more interesting. It's not because SC2 is imbalanced comparatively, but because it's more boring to watch and even to play. And Diablo 3 is basically Diablo 2 with fewer features and a more annoying in-your-face-everyfuckingtime-you-play story. i agree Brood War is a better game. nothing is stopping you from playing Brood War. does this mean Blizzard, as it is today, is an absolute total disaster. nope. does this mean SC1 is a software engineering masterpiece? no. does this mean that on the day SC1 was released that it was a competitive tour de force? no. the "chicken little sky is falling" posts directed at Blizzard will not allow the company to improve because it is not constructive criticism.
- nothing is stopping us from playing Brood War: True, but I want to play a new equally good RTS
- Starcraft 2 is stopping us from playing SC2: True. I want to play SC2 but they made the game dull to play. Therefore I cannot play it until Blizzard fixes SC2.
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On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. Their goes there only excuse for garbage content.
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In my humble opinion, Starcraft was the best game released. It invented Esports. Starcraft 2 was a good game, but It was not on par with Brood War. The Korean pro players started moving to SC2 after about 2 years after the game was released. The units are not as fun as in the original game, and the variety of strategies is much lower than in the original game. There were more viable ways to play in the original BroodWar. Moreover, although the game was designed to be an Esport, it has some lacking features still. Blizzard should learn a thing or two from Valve, because they managed to do what they could not.
Game Starcraft SC2 Dota2
Storyline brilliant decent none
Metagame Diversity very good good good
Team support no no yes
Recconect function no no yes
LAN yes no to be implemented
User submitted content little yes little
Multiplayer interface 1998 technology good good
Casual gaming good very good decent
Replay availabilty no no yes
Supporting the pro scene no no the banners in TI2 was the first direct way to support
a pro team you were cheering for
Function to watch any game no no yes
As an old Starcraft fain, it pains me to see what Starcraft 2 could have been and should have been if they catered more towards the things that make a game worth watching. I still play SC2 because it is a great game, but it could have been better.
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On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!
Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so.
Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.
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Hmmm I dont understand why everyone is so mad at Blizzard. Yes D3 was fairly bad but having 2 of your 3 studios be awesome is pretty good.
There biggest money maker MMO is still the best MMO on the market even in a down expansion and is looking like they got there mojo back in time for mists which means that dev team is doing just fine.
You have another team which made one of the best if not the best RTS of all time in SC2 (if i keep putting hours into it at this rate itll be my most played game ever). They are also working on HotS which while I am hesistant to judge since its just in beta does look to have some awesome things to it.
Then there is the D3 team which frankly just dropped the ball. Ill be honest I dont know what they did for all those years to release something so lackluster but I know to avoid that team in the future if they are working on anything.
Then you have the secretive project titan team that while I have no idea what kind of MMO they are working on (I refuse to believe blizzard would want 2 competing monthly MMOs on market) but considering they have a lot of old wow team (for better or worse) they are probably going to come out with something pretty good.
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On September 19 2012 04:52 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the complaint of releasing "half completed titles" is a smear job complaint you can make about any piece of software ever made. all you do is define "complete-ness" as including some feature that was not in the game on release. the core SC2 game was a lot closer to balanced than SC1 was when it was released. as has been documented on many occasions the SC1 engine is an horrific monstrosity requiring continuous bug fixes. some people should check out what ex-employees said about Adham's management of Blizzard/Chaos/Silicon&Synapse from 1997 to 1999. it was hardly nirvana. the bottom line is that out of all companies who make competitive RTS games Blizzard continues to offer the best post sales support of any company by a huge margin. who wants to play some Red Alert 3? or maybe some Company of Heroes? I don't get comments like this. SC2 is inferior to SC1 because the units are less interesting -- it makes for a worse spectator sport IMO. Colossus has nothing on reaver micro i.e., colossus is just an A-move unit. Which most are in the game. I feel like BW required a lot more micro and the units were more interesting. It's not because SC2 is imbalanced comparatively, but because it's more boring to watch and even to play. And Diablo 3 is basically Diablo 2 with fewer features and a more annoying in-your-face-everyfuckingtime-you-play story. i agree Brood War is a better game. nothing is stopping you from playing Brood War. does this mean Blizzard, as it is today, is an absolute total disaster. nope. does this mean SC1 is a software engineering masterpiece? no. does this mean that on the day SC1 was released that it was a competitive tour de force? no. the "chicken little sky is falling" posts directed at Blizzard will not allow the company to improve because it is not constructive criticism. - nothing is stopping us from playing Brood War: True, but I want to play a new equally good RTS - Starcraft 2 is stopping us from playing SC2: True. I want to play SC2 but they made the game dull to play. Therefore I cannot play it until Blizzard fixes SC2.
the MOD Kit is available.
almost everyone i know who owns WC3 didn't buy it to play WC3, they bought it to play DOTA.
nothing is stopping an innovative community drive to build a better competitive RTS with the SC2 Mod Kit as its foundation...
in the way DOTA was born from WC3.
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That just means that Blizzard sucks, not Activision, which is even worse!
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On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.
total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it.
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On September 19 2012 05:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:52 BisuDagger wrote:On September 19 2012 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the complaint of releasing "half completed titles" is a smear job complaint you can make about any piece of software ever made. all you do is define "complete-ness" as including some feature that was not in the game on release. the core SC2 game was a lot closer to balanced than SC1 was when it was released. as has been documented on many occasions the SC1 engine is an horrific monstrosity requiring continuous bug fixes. some people should check out what ex-employees said about Adham's management of Blizzard/Chaos/Silicon&Synapse from 1997 to 1999. it was hardly nirvana. the bottom line is that out of all companies who make competitive RTS games Blizzard continues to offer the best post sales support of any company by a huge margin. who wants to play some Red Alert 3? or maybe some Company of Heroes? I don't get comments like this. SC2 is inferior to SC1 because the units are less interesting -- it makes for a worse spectator sport IMO. Colossus has nothing on reaver micro i.e., colossus is just an A-move unit. Which most are in the game. I feel like BW required a lot more micro and the units were more interesting. It's not because SC2 is imbalanced comparatively, but because it's more boring to watch and even to play. And Diablo 3 is basically Diablo 2 with fewer features and a more annoying in-your-face-everyfuckingtime-you-play story. i agree Brood War is a better game. nothing is stopping you from playing Brood War. does this mean Blizzard, as it is today, is an absolute total disaster. nope. does this mean SC1 is a software engineering masterpiece? no. does this mean that on the day SC1 was released that it was a competitive tour de force? no. the "chicken little sky is falling" posts directed at Blizzard will not allow the company to improve because it is not constructive criticism. - nothing is stopping us from playing Brood War: True, but I want to play a new equally good RTS - Starcraft 2 is stopping us from playing SC2: True. I want to play SC2 but they made the game dull to play. Therefore I cannot play it until Blizzard fixes SC2. the MOD Kit is available. almost everyone i know who owns WC3 didn't buy it to play WC3, they bought it to play DOTA. nothing is stopping an innovative community drive to build a better competitive RTS with the SC2 Mod Kit as its foundation... in the way DOTA was born from WC3.
DOTA was completely different from WC3's regular game. There's no way SC2's pro scene could be consolidated into a different "1v1 melee" mode.
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On September 19 2012 05:05 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late. total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it.
That's cool, but i don't see any shows dedicated to professional total annihilation or DOW games. It's a fact that those aren't nearly as good as Starcraft, sorry.
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On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.
Are you serious? There have been numerous RTS titles that are better/equal to SC2. D3 is an utter failure, there are no two ways around it. And WoW was successful for many reasons outside of it's gameplay and atm GW2 seems to be outdoing it in terms of quality.
Each of Blizzard's recent releases has been a severe downgrade on it's respective series. When Blizzard is incapable of making sequals that actually IMPROVE on the games, then yes, they deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.
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On September 19 2012 05:07 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:05 Serpico wrote:On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late. total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it. That's cool, but i don't see any shows dedicated to professional total annihilation or DOW games. It's a fact that those aren't nearly as good as Starcraft, sorry.
Yeah! your opinion isn't the same as his so tough luck!
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On September 19 2012 05:07 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:05 Serpico wrote:On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late. total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it. That's cool, but i don't see any shows dedicated to professional total annihilation or DOW games. It's a fact that those aren't nearly as good as Starcraft, sorry.
It takes much more than a good game to create a successful competitive scene. SC2's competitive scene is largely riding off of the BW / WC3 scenes which has nothing to do with Blizzard or the quality of SC2. TA and early DOW were much better than SC2.
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On September 19 2012 05:11 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:07 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 05:05 Serpico wrote:On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late. total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it. That's cool, but i don't see any shows dedicated to professional total annihilation or DOW games. It's a fact that those aren't nearly as good as Starcraft, sorry. It takes much more than a good game to create a successful competitive scene. SC2's competitive scene is largely riding off of the BW / WC3 scenes which has nothing to do with Blizzard or the quality of SC2. TA and early DOW were much better than SC2.
And yet, would the competitive scene really be as huge as it is for sc2 if the game was so bad? Come on now....
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On September 19 2012 05:15 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:11 SupLilSon wrote:On September 19 2012 05:07 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 05:05 Serpico wrote:On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so. Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late. total annihilation is easily better than SC 2 and so are the early DOW games. Diablo 3?? Path of Exile and Torchlight 2, you can't just say we can't say something simply because your narrow opinion is so strong you don't want to hear it. That's cool, but i don't see any shows dedicated to professional total annihilation or DOW games. It's a fact that those aren't nearly as good as Starcraft, sorry. It takes much more than a good game to create a successful competitive scene. SC2's competitive scene is largely riding off of the BW / WC3 scenes which has nothing to do with Blizzard or the quality of SC2. TA and early DOW were much better than SC2. And yet, would the competitive scene really be as huge as it is for sc2 if the game was so bad? Come on now....
"ehem" League of Legend.
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