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Leopoldshark
Profile Joined September 2010
United States176 Posts
September 18 2012 22:29 GMT
#181
Face that aside from Starcraft, all of Blizzard's games (WoW, D3) are based upon Skinner Box mechanics. Grinding for hours upon hours for shiny things that make your character is not good gameplay. Not anymore at least. Diablo 2 was the same way but I could tolerate it for some reason. Maybe I was naive back then.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
September 18 2012 22:32 GMT
#182
On September 19 2012 07:26 NobledBlood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 05:35 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:08 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!


Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so.

Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.


D3 is an utter failure, there are no two ways around it.


I...what? It sold 6.3 million copies in the first week. Stop with this ridiculous hyperbole, please.

http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/harrison/diablo-3-sales-pass-the-6-3-million-mark-gamers-still-unhappy/




it sold that many because everyone had waited 10 years to get it. But to bad no one could play the game the first week either. It was the same way with the newest Duke Nukem title. Everyone had hyped it up so much that everyone bought it. Then played it and realized it was shit.

Nah, the game's OK

IGN even listed it amongst the top 25 games post 2006

Personally, I find D3 not to be an outstanding achievement in gaming, but it's not even close to being a bad game, and I have more fun with it than with D2. I played D2 for years upon years so... comparing DNF to D3 is pure bullshit.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 18 2012 23:15 GMT
#183
On September 19 2012 07:32 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 07:26 NobledBlood wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:35 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:08 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!


Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so.

Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.


D3 is an utter failure, there are no two ways around it.


I...what? It sold 6.3 million copies in the first week. Stop with this ridiculous hyperbole, please.

http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/harrison/diablo-3-sales-pass-the-6-3-million-mark-gamers-still-unhappy/




it sold that many because everyone had waited 10 years to get it. But to bad no one could play the game the first week either. It was the same way with the newest Duke Nukem title. Everyone had hyped it up so much that everyone bought it. Then played it and realized it was shit.

Nah, the game's OK

IGN even listed it amongst the top 25 games post 2006

Personally, I find D3 not to be an outstanding achievement in gaming, but it's not even close to being a bad game, and I have more fun with it than with D2. I played D2 for years upon years so... comparing DNF to D3 is pure bullshit.


Comparing D3 to Star Wars episodes 1-3 is more apt.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
September 18 2012 23:20 GMT
#184
So if it's just Blizzard then the question is, why has Blizzard gotten so shitty in the recent years?
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mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3807 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 23:21:51
September 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#185
On September 19 2012 00:49 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
Ever since Blizzard merged with Activision, the World of WarCraft and StarCraft studio has often been accused of kow-towing to Activision's demands. However, WoW game director Tom Chilton says that Blizzard has more freedom than everyone thinks.

"I'll come out and say it. Activision gets an unfair reputation among our players for this, as does [Activision-Blizzard CEO] Bobby Kotick," Chilton said during a Reddit Q&A. "We do demos for the Activision executive team about twice per year (sometimes only once)."

Chilton adds that Activision asks "intelligent questions" about WoW's development. That's as far as the influence goes, though. They've never made any mandates, or mandates-disguised-as-suggestions, regarding the game.

Is Blizzard completely autonomous? No, they're a subsidiary of Activision-Blizzard at the end of the day. However, I think that a lot of Activision-Blizzard criticism is of the tinfoil hat territory. Bobby Kotick has gotten blamed for WoW expansions being released too quickly, Diablo 3's real-money auction house, StarCraft 2's DRM and so forth. He can apparently micromanage each of these games while also "milking" Call of Duty and Guitar Hero.

The reason the whole "Activision-Blizzard/Bobby Kotick is the devil" argument persists is that it's easy. It's much cleaner to just dump all responsibilities onto Kotick or "the evil suits." The truth of the matter, though, is that there are many, many people involved in making a game. Activision-Blizzard has several thousand employees across all of its divisions. You really think that only one guy or one shadowy room of executives is responsible for every fuck-up? Really?

That's the thing with evaluating games as a critic or player, though. You don't really get to peek inside at the process that produces the game. You can't tell whether this manager is a jerk-off or that QA tester is lazy or whatever. Our criticism ought to be focused on the final game that they produce. That seems like a better use of our time than pretending we know the exact chain of ev that led a company to produce bad DRM.


Hardly anything really noteworthy to be honest. I thought some people already knew that Blizzard does their own thing.


99% of people don't know Blizzard is autonomous from Activision

Blizzard not living up to their previous games isn't an Activision thing. It's that the people Blizzard has now aren't the same people when Blizzard released their old games.

It's massively apparent with Jay Wilson's comments and overall game design decisions in D3.



Yes it is for half their catalgoue. A good portion of the people who made Starcraft made SC2. The people who made WoW 1.0 are making Titan. It's only D3 and WoW expansions that the staff is significantly different from the previous staff.

The problem isn't just people leaving but the problem is that some of the people who stayed behind have lost their touch.


anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
September 18 2012 23:31 GMT
#186
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!



BECAUSE THE EVIL MADE YOU DO IT.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 18 2012 23:37 GMT
#187
What probe and some of the others said hahaha.

So many people blaming Activision for Blizz's apparently lower quality of games and they come out and say that it wasn't really Activision behind all of it; it was really their own doing and whatnot >.<
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
September 18 2012 23:42 GMT
#188
I think this article is pretty laughable. An $18 billion merger didn't change an organization's culture? Of course it did.

Or it could be total happenstance that two of their three franchises went to total shit after the merger.
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 18 2012 23:45 GMT
#189
On September 19 2012 07:26 NobledBlood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 05:35 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:08 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!


Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so.

Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.


D3 is an utter failure, there are no two ways around it.


I...what? It sold 6.3 million copies in the first week. Stop with this ridiculous hyperbole, please.

http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/harrison/diablo-3-sales-pass-the-6-3-million-mark-gamers-still-unhappy/




it sold that many because everyone had waited 10 years to get it. But to bad no one could play the game the first week either. It was the same way with the newest Duke Nukem title. Everyone had hyped it up so much that everyone bought it. Then played it and realized it was shit.


If I had the chance to play diablo 3 I probably still would have bought it for the nostalgia and the fact I can put 30 hours into it before it became awful repetitive. 30 hours for 60 dollars? I don't mind paying them 2 dollars on the hour for my entertainment, that also doesn't equate the random playings I still have from time to time.
FoTG fighting!
theboyrmca
Profile Joined August 2010
27 Posts
September 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#190
Who the hell supports a games quality based off its sales? Are you drones? Basically ALL of my friends list (which is substantial) all have QUIT playing D3 and say they will NOT get an expansion. (me neither btw the game was complete trash might as well of played dungeon siege/heroes)

The patch was too little, too late to save it, also horrible launch comeon man!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 23:58:33
September 18 2012 23:55 GMT
#191
On September 19 2012 00:39 stk01001 wrote:
Regardless of wether Activision influences Blizzard or not, it's obvious Blizzard is now concentrating much more on profitability and making money as oppose to game quality. Diablo 3 RMAH is probably the best example of this, and just in general it seems most of their decisions are now driven by "what is going to make our game the most appealing to the most people" as oppose to "what's best for the game itself". I mean it's pretty obvious they are getting pressure from Activision to increase the bottom line. Not really blaming them, they are a business and their main goal at the end of the day is to make money, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor behind everything. They need to balance out and be careful not to sacrifice too much game quality just to make profits.


It's been a different company for years man and people will always point to the guys at the top of the ladder.

On September 19 2012 00:49 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
Ever since Blizzard merged with Activision, the World of WarCraft and StarCraft studio has often been accused of kow-towing to Activision's demands. However, WoW game director Tom Chilton says that Blizzard has more freedom than everyone thinks.

"I'll come out and say it. Activision gets an unfair reputation among our players for this, as does [Activision-Blizzard CEO] Bobby Kotick," Chilton said during a Reddit Q&A. "We do demos for the Activision executive team about twice per year (sometimes only once)."

Chilton adds that Activision asks "intelligent questions" about WoW's development. That's as far as the influence goes, though. They've never made any mandates, or mandates-disguised-as-suggestions, regarding the game.

Is Blizzard completely autonomous? No, they're a subsidiary of Activision-Blizzard at the end of the day. However, I think that a lot of Activision-Blizzard criticism is of the tinfoil hat territory. Bobby Kotick has gotten blamed for WoW expansions being released too quickly, Diablo 3's real-money auction house, StarCraft 2's DRM and so forth. He can apparently micromanage each of these games while also "milking" Call of Duty and Guitar Hero.

The reason the whole "Activision-Blizzard/Bobby Kotick is the devil" argument persists is that it's easy. It's much cleaner to just dump all responsibilities onto Kotick or "the evil suits." The truth of the matter, though, is that there are many, many people involved in making a game. Activision-Blizzard has several thousand employees across all of its divisions. You really think that only one guy or one shadowy room of executives is responsible for every fuck-up? Really?

That's the thing with evaluating games as a critic or player, though. You don't really get to peek inside at the process that produces the game. You can't tell whether this manager is a jerk-off or that QA tester is lazy or whatever. Our criticism ought to be focused on the final game that they produce. That seems like a better use of our time than pretending we know the exact chain of ev that led a company to produce bad DRM.


Hardly anything really noteworthy to be honest. I thought some people already knew that Blizzard does their own thing.


99% of people don't know Blizzard is autonomous from Activision

Blizzard not living up to their previous games isn't an Activision thing. It's that the people Blizzard has now aren't the same people when Blizzard released their old games.

It's massively apparent with Jay Wilson's comments and overall game design decisions in D3.


Don't get me wrong. There are still a number of senior members on the team as well, but when the studio gets as big as they are. Going to be awfully hard to live up to the hype of delivering top notch games.

This is why hardcore gamers look to the small studios that want to break out.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
September 18 2012 23:59 GMT
#192
On September 19 2012 00:36 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. There goes their only excuse for garbage content.


So true. If it isn't Activision. How in gods name do they explain Diablo 3? Worst game I ever played.



Comments like these just show the majority of people who bitch about Blizzard have unreasonable expectations and demand everything be 100% exactly what they want. Blizzard still does an amazing job they just can't cater to absolutely everyone and meet some of the ridiculous expectations people have for them.

But anyways, here the haters are on a forum for a Blizzard game.
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
September 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#193
On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. There goes their only excuse for garbage content.


This made me LOL really hard Thanks man
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 19 2012 00:13 GMT
#194
On September 19 2012 08:59 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:36 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. There goes their only excuse for garbage content.


So true. If it isn't Activision. How in gods name do they explain Diablo 3? Worst game I ever played.



Comments like these just show the majority of people who bitch about Blizzard have unreasonable expectations and demand everything be 100% exactly what they want. Blizzard still does an amazing job they just can't cater to absolutely everyone and meet some of the ridiculous expectations people have for them.

But anyways, here the haters are on a forum for a Blizzard game.


Yeah yeah, Blizzard can't please everyone and our expectations are unrealistic and despite all of this D3 was fairly mediocre.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
September 19 2012 00:14 GMT
#195
On September 19 2012 05:35 Monkeyballs25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 05:08 SupLilSon wrote:
On September 19 2012 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!


Name a better rts than Starcraft 1/2. None. Now name a better action rpg out there than d2/3. Please don't say Torchlight. Now name the MMO that has constantly remained the benchmark for all others the past 8 years or so.

Seriously Blizzard deserve all the shit they've been getting as of late.


D3 is an utter failure, there are no two ways around it.


I...what? It sold 6.3 million copies in the first week. Stop with this ridiculous hyperbole, please.

http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/harrison/diablo-3-sales-pass-the-6-3-million-mark-gamers-still-unhappy/



and justin bieber's music is good shit cause his mv has 8 million views in 24 hours.

http://thejustinbiebershrine.com/2012/05/justin-bieber-breaks-youtube-record-for-most-views-in-24-hours.html
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#196
On September 19 2012 09:13 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 08:59 IcedBacon wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:36 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. There goes their only excuse for garbage content.


So true. If it isn't Activision. How in gods name do they explain Diablo 3? Worst game I ever played.



Comments like these just show the majority of people who bitch about Blizzard have unreasonable expectations and demand everything be 100% exactly what they want. Blizzard still does an amazing job they just can't cater to absolutely everyone and meet some of the ridiculous expectations people have for them.

But anyways, here the haters are on a forum for a Blizzard game.


Yeah yeah, Blizzard can't please everyone and our expectations are unrealistic and despite all of this D3 was fairly mediocre.


I think the biggest complaint is that it was in production for quote "10 years" ... They produced a game that was borderline mediocre in that time, but lke I said I got my 30 hours out of it. I would have rathered they did the SC2 approach and announce it 3 years before release (2007 to 2010 lol)
FoTG fighting!
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
September 19 2012 00:24 GMT
#197
Lol. This was my only hope that the Blizzard I feel in love with was still in there somewhere. I guess not.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 19 2012 00:34 GMT
#198
On September 19 2012 08:59 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:36 Benjamin99 wrote:
On September 19 2012 00:32 -Kaiser- wrote:
Lol, poor Blizzard. There goes their only excuse for garbage content.


So true. If it isn't Activision. How in gods name do they explain Diablo 3? Worst game I ever played.



Comments like these just show the majority of people who bitch about Blizzard have unreasonable expectations and demand everything be 100% exactly what they want. Blizzard still does an amazing job they just can't cater to absolutely everyone and meet some of the ridiculous expectations people have for them.

But anyways, here the haters are on a forum for a Blizzard game.


It's too much to expect a finished product upon release? They've had to make big changes just to keep the dwindling player base as it is and their efforts came way too late to save them. I would'nt be surprised if the game is completely dead within a year from now.
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
September 19 2012 00:35 GMT
#199
On September 19 2012 08:31 anatase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!



BECAUSE THE EVIL MADE YOU DO IT.


ergo proving the tinfoil conspiracy.

I KNEW IT KOTICK YOU DEVIL
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 19 2012 00:39 GMT
#200
On September 19 2012 08:20 Kamais Ookin wrote:
So if it's just Blizzard then the question is, why has Blizzard gotten so shitty in the recent years?


ego.
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