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On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity.
I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did)
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On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help.
agree on that (no clue about gw2, gw was fun tho). addons are shit and made playing feel like staring at stupid excel.
no question some stuff was needed(but couldve been added by blizz as well) but the game became a spreadsheet with a bit of fantasy stuff behind it at both high level pve and pvp.
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On September 19 2012 03:41 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help. agree on that (no clue about gw2, gw was fun tho). addons are shit and made playing feel like staring at stupid excel. no question some stuff was needed(but couldve been added by blizz as well) but the game became a spreadsheet with a bit of fantasy stuff behind it at both high level pve and pvp.
Oh I loved recount damage battles on bosses hahaha
Topping the rogues list was always awesome since PvE with rogue was pretty intense in some encounters 
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So it's not Activision thats turning Blizzard to shit, its Blizzard.
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On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Really? Doesn't have shit on WoW? Compare to the PvP of the two games. GW2 has a three way world versus world versus world battles, what the hell does WoW have to even match that in scale? Small AV battles that nobody queues up for anymore? Leveling is a lot more fun in GW2. There are huge bosses in the world fairly often in the game and it's not about level racing. People race to level in WoW because the leveling content is really bad and boring. GW2 does it right because you can level however you want. You can explore and level, you can craft and level, you can just go from boss to boss and skip all the quests if you want to level. And it's still faster in leveling than WoW -- and much more enjoyable paced. The only thing WoW has on GW2 is dungeon content and endgame PvE content. That's it. Everything else GW2 does far better, and is overall a much better MMO. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help.
The WvWvW system, like any form of mass PvP cannot be taken seriously because large scale PvP is always a skill-less zergfest.
Leveling? Is there anything more inconsequential, transient, and ultimately irrelevant? No one cares about leveling. Even if leveling up in GW2 is greatest fun you've ever had in a video game, it doesn't matter. Once you've done it, it's all about the endgame.
Addons have been in WoW since day 1. Damage meters are fun.
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On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did)
I've never played D3 and never will.
I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions:
1. Why play D3?
2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH?
In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place.
To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't.
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On September 19 2012 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did) I've never played D3 and never will. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions: 1. Why play D3? 2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH? In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place. To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't.
How about just beating the game?
But besides that, hardcore - no rmah.
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On September 19 2012 03:41 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help. agree on that (no clue about gw2, gw was fun tho). addons are shit and made playing feel like staring at stupid excel. no question some stuff was needed(but couldve been added by blizz as well) but the game became a spreadsheet with a bit of fantasy stuff behind it at both high level pve and pvp.
People did not stop playing wow because of addons. You never HAD to play with addons either, people just used it because it was convenient and allowed you to predict situations better if you couldnt already. As far as I know tbc and wotlk were pretty succesful even tho it was addon galore during that time, while now you dont need addons at all (you never really did), but there is a declining player base.
Id say stats say something completely different. Addons did not ruin wow, it had nothing to do with it.
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On September 19 2012 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did) I've never played D3 and never will. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions: 1. Why play D3? 2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH? In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place. To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't.
Oh you haven't played the game, now I understand.
I find it fun, I ignore the RMAH, and I wouldn't spend a single dime on an item.
I play the game to have fun, if the game were boring, I wouldn't play, luckily it isn't
I mean, sure, if you think the RMAH is destructive and you refuse to play because of it, I guess that's fine, but there's no bashing the game without playing it.
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On September 19 2012 04:05 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:41 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On September 19 2012 03:31 Deadlyhazard wrote:On September 19 2012 03:20 Euronyme wrote:Imo the guy just sounds like a beaten and submissive wife. "Oh, nonono officer, it wasn't him, I fell down a flight of stairs." Yeah right. Activision has time and time again raped cod and its customers for money, and when an abusive rapist wants his little sex slave in the basement (blizzard) to say that everything is bliz's fault he'll make it happen. That's how abusive relationships work. On September 19 2012 03:17 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So Blizzard is just a bad developer, they're not even under pressure by Activision like previously thought? Wow. They have some really, really untalented devs working there....they need to study hard and improve their game if they want to keep up with what other developers are crafting these days (look at Valve and Arena Net). Let's be honest here.. Arena net hasn't got shit on wow. You can't even tell what attack speed you have in guild wars, there's no support for addons and the game is shit in every way apart from the lore and 'oooh pretty forest' sections. Add-ons ruined WoW. WoW is focused on seeing how much DPS you have, how fast your cast bars are going, how much your UI is telling you to avoid stuff. GW2 focuses on the actual game, and is much more immersive in its content. Custom UI sucks. You can't cheat GW2 like you can in WoW with UI help. agree on that (no clue about gw2, gw was fun tho). addons are shit and made playing feel like staring at stupid excel. no question some stuff was needed(but couldve been added by blizz as well) but the game became a spreadsheet with a bit of fantasy stuff behind it at both high level pve and pvp. People did not stop playing wow because of addons. You never HAD to play with addons either, people just used it because it was convenient and allowed you to predict situations better if you couldnt already. As far as I know tbc and wotlk were pretty succesful even tho it was addon galore during that time, while now you dont need addons at all (you never really did), but there is a declining player base. Id say stats say something completely different. Addons did not ruin wow, it had nothing to do with it.
In fact, I used fewer and fewer addons as time went on, despite doing ever more difficult raid content. Blizzard's basic UI initially ignored a lot of very important info, that they've gradually started to implement by default.
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On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!
Ironically enough, Blizzard isn't thinking intelligently in the business/money sense. Funny. The only reason they would do this is if they're incompetent or really love Activision. Either way we've lost out on the company that Blizzard used to be.
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On September 19 2012 04:04 serum321 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did) I've never played D3 and never will. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions: 1. Why play D3? 2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH? In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place. To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't. How about just beating the game? But besides that, hardcore - no rmah.
What is the point of beating a pointless game?
Consider WoW. You cannot beat the game in WoW. WoW is mostly a well-designed game. It is very rewarding, many people cannot beat the hardest heroic encounters, have the highest ilvl gear, top the damage meters on WOL, be in the best guilds on the server, top the arena rankings etc. All of these things make the game rewarding and fun, so it is not pointless.
Diablo 3 is none of these things, so why would I want to beat the game. And if I beat the game, then what? Why should I start putting effort and time into a game that is essentially a, 20(?) hours run to the end boss, after which I have no motivation to play further? Millions of people beat the game, so what's so special about that? What's so fun about it? What's the point of playing beyond that?
In order for me to put time and effort into a game it should: (1) be a fun and well-designed game, (2) be rewarding, (3) be fair, no pay to win and no pay for a small advantage, (4) be a game that I intend to spend significant time playing, no point in half-arsing it. Otherwise, I don't see why I should bother.
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Even if this was true, why would blizzard ever release a statement stating their parent company which has controlling interest is the reason why their recent products are crap?
Edit: whoops wrong way around but even so, no reason to denounce your subsidiary for making you do bad decisions
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On September 19 2012 04:11 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:04 serum321 wrote:On September 19 2012 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did) I've never played D3 and never will. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions: 1. Why play D3? 2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH? In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place. To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't. How about just beating the game? But besides that, hardcore - no rmah. What is the point of beating a pointless game? If we consider WoW, WoW can't be beat. WoW is mostly a well-designed game. It is very rewarding. many people cannot beat the hardest heroic encounters, have the highest ilvl gear, top the damage meters on WOL, be in the best guilds on the server, top the arena rankings etc. All of these things make the game rewarding and fun, so it is not pointless. Diablo 3 is none of these things, so why would I want to beat the game. And I if beat the game, then what? Why should I start putting effort and time into a game that is essentially a, 20(?) hours run to the end boss, after which I have no motivation to play further?
You sound like someone who wants to achieve something greater in life by playing games, the only reason to play any games at all is to have fun, if you don't have fun then I agree there's no point to playing. I will play D3 until it isn't fun anymore, and by now the $60 have been very well played with fun moments playing.
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People must not realize that these amazing games took more than 10 years of patching...
Which must somehow mean that they weren't perfect before...
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On September 19 2012 04:14 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:11 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 04:04 serum321 wrote:On September 19 2012 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:41 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 03:29 D10 wrote:
Blizzard is telling the truth, they have become incompetent on their own I would agree. Although I would only apply this to their B.net and D3 teams. The B.net team is the epiphany of incompetence, mediocrity and regression. They have no new ideas, and have created arguably the worse online platform in the last several years, adding nothing new, only taking things away. And also their D3 team who made a bunch of amateur design errors that not even D2 made. And turned the game into a pointless profiteering opportunity. I still don't understand how RMAH ruins the game, why do you play D3? (or did) I've never played D3 and never will. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Consider the following 2 questions: 1. Why play D3? 2. If I play D3, can I just ignore the RMAH? In order to ask question 2, you must first ask question 1. The answer to question 1 is, there is no reason to play D3. The game is pointless. Therefore, question 2 is moot and irrelevant. Question 2 doesn't matter, because there's no reason to play in the first place. To see why the answer to question 1 is that the game is pointless, consider what the point of D3 ultimately is. To make a character with good gear? Why bother, you can just buy the best gear with real money. To farm for good gear? Why bother, you can just buy it for real money. To collect good gear? Again, anyone can buy the best gear for real money. To kill Inferno Diablo without using the RMAH? Why? What is the point of gear? Is the point of the game to beat people in PvP? There's no PvP, but if there was, again people who buy the best gear would win. Every possible reason to play D3 is defeated by the point that anyone can buy the best gear off the RMAH. Therefore, there's no reason to play the game in the first place, and hence no reason to ask question 2. The game is pointless, it would be a waste of my time to play such a pointless game, so I don't. How about just beating the game? But besides that, hardcore - no rmah. What is the point of beating a pointless game? If we consider WoW, WoW can't be beat. WoW is mostly a well-designed game. It is very rewarding. many people cannot beat the hardest heroic encounters, have the highest ilvl gear, top the damage meters on WOL, be in the best guilds on the server, top the arena rankings etc. All of these things make the game rewarding and fun, so it is not pointless. Diablo 3 is none of these things, so why would I want to beat the game. And I if beat the game, then what? Why should I start putting effort and time into a game that is essentially a, 20(?) hours run to the end boss, after which I have no motivation to play further? You sound like someone who wants to achieve something greater in life by playing games, the only reason to play any games at all is to have fun, if you don't have fun then I agree there's no point to playing. I will play D3 until it isn't fun anymore, and by now the $60 have been very well played with fun moments playing.
There are many ways to have "fun", arguing with people on the forums is (usually) fun, making money is fun, watching SC2 tournaments etc.
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Blizzard always has fucked up things in their games in the past but people have very selective memories regarding that. It's fine that you find the things that Blizzard does 'not okay' but don't say stuff that they were oh so much better in the earlier days when it cames to things like polish and stuff. If you read into it, or even remember it yourself if you're old enough then you knew Starcraft at launch was a trainwreck and it took months for the gamebreaking bugs to be fixed.
I'm sick of the people who say the old Blizzard was so much better and totally forget that the games they come to love went through a lot of patching to become that good.
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On September 19 2012 02:22 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:18 Djzapz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:12 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 19 2012 01:10 Sated wrote:SC2 - compare it to HoN, LoL or Dota2. Games are promoted by game engine, you can view streams directly in game clients, there are tournaments for millions, you can connect to already running game, addons. Can you say this about SC2? SC2 is fun. Can you say this about HoN, LoL or Dota? No.  Personal opinions are subjective. Can I say it about those games? Yes. I like SC2 more but that's not the point, no reason to make an argument like "this is how I like it, you should too!" and pretend it will hold up. You're so obnoxious -_- I'm glad you edited out the part where you were saying you weren't arguing anything ^^ It was kinda cute.
Well, he wasn't arguing anything, he was obviously dissing those 3 MOBA games, and you barged in here talking about how his opinion about games isn't objective. I misread the quote as mine though.
But you really are obnoxious =_=
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On September 19 2012 04:16 Kazahk wrote:
People must not realize that these amazing games took more than 10 years of patching...
Which must somehow mean that they weren't perfect before...
This argument has proved pointless and is way overused. The fact is that the old games were fun as hell even with the bugs and issues that they had at launch. It did not take ten years of patching for them to be fun. They were fun right away. I bought Diablo 1, SC, and WC3 at launch and played them non stop without being bored or thinking the game had become repetitive. SC2 and D3 really fail to deliver in the fun department. SC2 only has me still because of the players in the Korean scene. But I will not be buying hots and I have given up on blizzard. I disliked playing SC2 so much I won't buy the sequel. However I still may watch because of the people that play. But even that future is iffy. I played through D3 and was impressed with how bored I got after beating the first two difficulties. It was just a grind fest of boredom with no more wow moments at that point. As for WOW, I joined in BC expansion and loved what the game had to offer. But MoP patch has dumbed the game down a lot. It's not as social as it used to be either. I think WOW as a whole is an amazing game up to this point and Cata was still worth it to me, but I can't defend MoP.
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People just want someone to blame when they don't like a game. It's the same with EA, even though they just publish the damn game.
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