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On September 19 2012 02:05 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:02 Ashur wrote:On September 19 2012 01:55 TheKefka wrote:
Even if the things that people say about Activision was true you really think blizzard would openly admit it in some random article?
Blizzard employees changed over time. I beleive you heard about bitching on facebook: + Show Spoiler +and its not just him, also whole Blizz North, Bill Roper and others. That company has changed a lot for last decade. My question to open public is what has changed since 2004 (WoW release), was there anything, that you say in next 10 years "oh that was amazing thing, I spent my childhood playing it?" I'd say no, they still release decent products, but its not epic anymore. A magical spark of Blizzard game is gone since WoW. On September 19 2012 02:02 mordk wrote:
Blizz didn't release half-completed titles. Yes, it still can be worse. We are not discussing EA, right?  Well, IMO, until Wotlk WoW is one of the best games ever released, definitely the best MMORPG ever, and one of the games that I've had the most fun playing  WoW is (or was, never played cata and beyond), an incredible game
I agree but I kinda liked Ulduar and imo it had a good design and boss mechanics.
Everything else in WotLK was pretty bad or just meh.
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Only and last hope will maybe come with Hots and Lotv Sc2 if they ruin it again like Diable 3 and SC2 Wol(not that sexy like BW still) they only prove they already forgot when merge to make game for the people and not only for money .
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On September 19 2012 02:03 klaxen wrote:
People built up an idea in their head of the perfect game for so long that NOTHING was going to reach their level of expectation. And now it's cool to hate them while still posting on a website dedicated to two of their titles.
If they rereleased warcraft 3 and starcraft BW with better graphics I would have bought it. It's really easy to appease most of us really. Our demands with Battlenet 2.0 were mostly very easy to implement. Some of the ground breaking stuff would be understandable if they were very slow to implement but it doesn't feel like they're slow, it feels like they're deaf.
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Perhaps Activision doesn't directly control Blizzard's decisions but I guarantee they have influenced them. Fact is, Blizzard has increasingly made efforts to casualize and monetize their games, something Activision is infamous for. Creativity in all aspects of their games has also gone down since the merger.
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On September 19 2012 02:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:56 Scarecrow wrote:
It's still just PR and I'm not buying it. It still feel like Blizzard's adopted some of Activision's philosophies even if there was no overt pressure to do so. It could also just be the WoW cash cow corrupting the company's integrity over time. The funny thing is that WoW is the most well-designed game that Blizzard is supporting at the moment. I find a couple things odd. First, it's funny that Blizzard is essentially saying that the decline in game quality is, in fact, completely their fault, and not Activision's. I guess that's noble of them. Beyond that, I find that the Blizzard fanbase (especially some of the long-standing fans) have become quite entitled when it comes to games (myself included). Let's be reasonable here; World of Warcraft is still the best MMO every created; it is specifically designed to be a semi-casual to casual-friendly game and almost everything that WoW is doing is pushing it toward that aim and it is doing it well. At this point, there really isn't any valid criticism for WoW aside from saying "It's too easy"; and this isn't even a valid claim because the game is made to be easy.
You find it surprising that Blizzard would criticize themselves? Blizzard has been publicly criticizing itself for years and years. For example, every expansion, they announce that their current talent system is badly designed, and every expansion they design a new talent system in an attempt to fix those design flaws. Also, WoW is not easy, Try 25m progression raiding. The current tier doesn't count because it's been out for almost 1 year.
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I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up..
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On September 19 2012 02:17 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 19 2012 00:56 Scarecrow wrote:
It's still just PR and I'm not buying it. It still feel like Blizzard's adopted some of Activision's philosophies even if there was no overt pressure to do so. It could also just be the WoW cash cow corrupting the company's integrity over time. The funny thing is that WoW is the most well-designed game that Blizzard is supporting at the moment. I find a couple things odd. First, it's funny that Blizzard is essentially saying that the decline in game quality is, in fact, completely their fault, and not Activision's. I guess that's noble of them. Beyond that, I find that the Blizzard fanbase (especially some of the long-standing fans) have become quite entitled when it comes to games (myself included). Let's be reasonable here; World of Warcraft is still the best MMO every created; it is specifically designed to be a semi-casual to casual-friendly game and almost everything that WoW is doing is pushing it toward that aim and it is doing it well. At this point, there really isn't any valid criticism for WoW aside from saying "It's too easy"; and this isn't even a valid claim because the game is made to be easy. Do find it surprising that Blizzard would criticism themselves? Blizzard has been publicly criticizing itself for years and years. For example, every expansion, they announce they their current talent system is badly deigned, and every expansion they design a new talent system in an attempt to fix those design flaws. Also, WoW is not easy, Trying 25m progression raiding. The current tier doesn't count because it's been out for almost 1 year.
Raiding is and has always been easy (I was a hardcore raider in Vanilla, so don't go all "back in my day..."). The only "challenge" is the time sink and occassionally the coordination, although that just takes a basic intellectual capacity.
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I quit WoW at the tail end of BC and before WotLK, so I only have positive things to say about its quality. WoW, at least up until I quit, was awesome.
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On September 19 2012 02:18 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:17 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 02:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 19 2012 00:56 Scarecrow wrote:
It's still just PR and I'm not buying it. It still feel like Blizzard's adopted some of Activision's philosophies even if there was no overt pressure to do so. It could also just be the WoW cash cow corrupting the company's integrity over time. The funny thing is that WoW is the most well-designed game that Blizzard is supporting at the moment. I find a couple things odd. First, it's funny that Blizzard is essentially saying that the decline in game quality is, in fact, completely their fault, and not Activision's. I guess that's noble of them. Beyond that, I find that the Blizzard fanbase (especially some of the long-standing fans) have become quite entitled when it comes to games (myself included). Let's be reasonable here; World of Warcraft is still the best MMO every created; it is specifically designed to be a semi-casual to casual-friendly game and almost everything that WoW is doing is pushing it toward that aim and it is doing it well. At this point, there really isn't any valid criticism for WoW aside from saying "It's too easy"; and this isn't even a valid claim because the game is made to be easy. Do find it surprising that Blizzard would criticism themselves? Blizzard has been publicly criticizing itself for years and years. For example, every expansion, they announce they their current talent system is badly deigned, and every expansion they design a new talent system in an attempt to fix those design flaws. Also, WoW is not easy, Trying 25m progression raiding. The current tier doesn't count because it's been out for almost 1 year. Raiding is and has always been easy (I was a hardcore raider in Vanilla, so don't go all "back in my day..."). The only "challenge" is the time sink and occassionally the coordination, although that just takes a basic intellectual capacity.
It's so easy it takes world first guilds 500 attempts to kill a boss. And that less than 1% of players have killed Sinatra despite it being 2 tiers old.
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i can tell you as an ex game programmer, blizzard content is not shit, and CANT be rushed or youll see a new one every year. shareholders are important tho. if the company does not make the masses of profit it needs to you can guarantee that this company will sell the ip to a franchise/company to develop the game on their behalf, i used to work for a company that did this, we took games FROM sega through a bidding process and developed the game. you need to think about it in terms of money spent on the overall dev of a project wages, but in this case ur practically paying a guy to create original game tools or then they hav to pay companies like the mp3 algorithm creators and any other off the shelf program you happen to use in your game.
hell dont even know why im bothering here, ive done, seen it, rubbed shoulders with a couple of the billionaires of europe and in the end they want their products to be the best but it has to be released, the longer you leave a game the more it becomes outdated. the current gen of consoles are coming to the end of their life, have a look at the output over the industry its in a slump as noone wants to get caught spending millions on a game which a VERY limited lifespan. That shit will get yuou closed dowen if you dont at least break even
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On September 19 2012 01:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:12 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 19 2012 01:10 Sated wrote:SC2 - compare it to HoN, LoL or Dota2. Games are promoted by game engine, you can view streams directly in game clients, there are tournaments for millions, you can connect to already running game, addons. Can you say this about SC2? SC2 is fun. Can you say this about HoN, LoL or Dota? No.  Personal opinions are subjective. Can I say it about those games? Yes. I like SC2 more but that's not the point, no reason to make an argument like "this is how I like it, you should too!" and pretend it will hold up. You're so obnoxious -_-
I'm glad you edited out the part where you were saying you weren't arguing anything ^^ It was kinda cute.
On September 19 2012 01:52 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:45 Djzapz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:43 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Not to mention that they managed to disrespect their own game in that OSL broadcast. That was disgusting.
Wait what happened? I'm not aware of this :o In the last BW OSL finals they showed a clip of Mike Morhaime I believe telling all the fans to drop BW and get with the future: SC2. The exact words felt far more offensive than I can portray here. Unsurprisingly it didn't resonate with BW fans.
Well... T.T that's just how it is, why would a game developer want people to play an outdated game that they\re making no money off. Community or not frankly no one gives a shit about BW anymore with regards to finances and for a business that's all that matters.
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On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up..
D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game,
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On September 19 2012 02:24 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up.. D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game,
Playing with RMAH is your choice. If you feel the need to use it to feel accomplished while playing, you're doing gaming wrong. The only possible use I'll give the RMAH is sell something so I can buy moar games :D
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yeah probably activision tell blizzard to say that ...
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On September 19 2012 02:24 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up.. D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game,
honestly rmah is basically the exact same as d2jsp except 12 year olds can access it 'more safely'.. and real traders still use d2jsp to avoid blizzard taking a cut from their profits anyways
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On September 19 2012 02:26 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up.. D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game, Playing with RMAH is your choice. If you feel the need to use it to feel accomplished while playing, you're doing gaming wrong. The only possible use I'll give the RMAH is sell something so I can buy moar games :D
Too bad Blizzard balanced drops around RMAH. Go grind D2 for an hour and you'll have at least one character+stash full of set items and uniques. You're lucky to find one decent item in 10 hours of farming D3.
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On September 19 2012 02:29 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:26 mordk wrote:On September 19 2012 02:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up.. D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game, Playing with RMAH is your choice. If you feel the need to use it to feel accomplished while playing, you're doing gaming wrong. The only possible use I'll give the RMAH is sell something so I can buy moar games :D Too bad Blizzard balanced drops around RMAH. Go grind D2 for an hour and you'll have at least one character+stash full of set items and uniques. You're lucky to find one decent item in 10 hours of farming D3.
Doesn't matter, killing things is satisfying enough for a small gaming session. I have years to build my chars if I want to do so
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On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote:
Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?!
Because games like World of Warcraft and StarCraft are not terrible games?
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R.I.P blizzard since the release of "the burning crusade" wow expansion, everything since then has been meh... 
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On September 19 2012 02:29 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 02:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 19 2012 02:18 Endymion wrote:
I'm really starting to think that blizzard isn't getting worse, we're all just getting older... d3 is pretty close to what d2 from a casual perspective imo. same with WoW, i raided sunwell along with 25m icc and i think they were pretty equivilant in difficulty, i was just elitist at the time because i wanted to be cool.. but honestly, we all started played these 'old blizz games' atleast 8 years ago, think of the person that you were 8 years ago compared to now.. do you really enjoy the same things? i wasn't even thinking about relating to bodies with vaginas 8 years ago and now it takes precedent over games, that alone signals that my lack of enjoyment is just growing up.. D2 didn't milk the playerbase with a RMAH, which destroyed the entire point of playing the game, honestly rmah is basically the exact same as d2jsp except 12 year olds can access it 'more safely'.. and real traders still use d2jsp to avoid blizzard taking a cut from their profits anyways
I've sold stuff at d2jsp and many other sites (made my lunch money during HS selling anni on ebay). D3 RMAH is probably worst of them all in term of actual service provided, customer support, and yes, even safety. How many people you know got scammed trading over 3rd party sites? I lost at least 200 usd due to "Failed Transaction". I sold a ring for 100, got a failed transaction and returned, sold it again for 50 a week later, again got failed transaction, then I ended up selling it for like 6 bucks after 1.4
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