EPTBesides, Blizzard has been bleeding talent for over a decade, with many people creatively responsible for their classic games having left a long time ago. At this point it isn't inconceivable that their visions are limited and the content they're putting out is simply the best they're capable of.
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Besides, Blizzard has been bleeding talent for over a decade, with many people creatively responsible for their classic games having left a long time ago. At this point it isn't inconceivable that their visions are limited and the content they're putting out is simply the best they're capable of. | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:32 Kuni wrote: I remember playing Rock n Roll Racing. We played the shit out of it. It was awesome. I remember playing the Warcraft series like there was no tomorrow. Playing all the awesome custom games even after long having stopped playing Wc3 was still a huge motivation. I remember Starcraft 1. Wasn't really playing online, only with a friend of mine, but the campaign alone was fun, the story great. I remember playing Diablo 2 like I was a poor chinese farmer playing for his life. It was so much fun, even though it had only a few acts and you basically played the same thing over and over again. Didn't change anything. Same with LoD. I remember starting to play WoW. I played this game more than all the others combined.... at first. .... I remember WoW getting worse and worse in every area. Fun, creativity, difficulty, motivation .... .... I remember playing the Sc2 campaign .. it was okay, but nothing special. .... I didn't really ever find the motivation to play it online, not because of ladder anxiety or anything like that, but rather because it just didn't/doesn't have this magical spark that will make you want to play the game until you cannot move your body anymore. Why waste time when you don't find the game inspiring? .... I fucking FROM HELL want to forget ever having played Diablo 3. Yes I grew older, but I can still play until I fall off my chair with other games, just not Blizzard games anymore. The reason I still (at least try to play the new Blizzard games) is, that there is this huge hope and anticipation, that the next one will be not good, but great again. Now you could blame it on the Batman, but soon they won't even get a nickel for their grandma's anymore, at least from me. Huge disappointment. Grew up with awesome, saw it go to shit and I don't fucking care if Activision is to blame or the fucking retards they hired as replacements for the awesome dudes who made all those incredible games. I sign under this post. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Either way, their actions speak for themselves, they aren't the same company anymore regardless. From WoW alone: the scrapping of the promised water instance for a rushed end game Dragon Soul, the reworking of talents to be similar to D3, how they managed to break the default UI in 5.0, how we got 2 crappily redone troll instances as 4.1 content for months... I realize people make mistakes, but the number of questionable decisions they've made that make you want to go "honestly, why do that for?" is staggering over the recent years. I mean, did we really need Farmville/Pokemon in WoW? Did we need a BNet GUI on SC2 that looks like it was designed for console? Do we really need chat chan- oh wait. Not to mention that they managed to disrespect their own game in that OSL broadcast. That was disgusting. I could go on forever complaining, but yeah, there'll always be people who'll defend Blizzard. I've always joked about how Blizzard would still break sales records if they sold an empty game box. I feel that they're abusing their brand name to its maximum right now, releasing games as if they were still in beta - MoP won't be released with cross realm zones (?), SC2 was released without chat channels, D3 was released without PvP. Yeah their games in the past were missing a few features/had bugs/were imbalanced, but you don't really feel that they've blatantly allowed that to happen. That's what's annoying about them right now. That's why we're so quick to blame it on Activision. Ah well, back to WC3. With my nostalgia glasses on, clearly. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
Blizzard has made a lot of idiotic decisions. Stop blaming Activision, and start blaming Blizzard., | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:43 IntoTheEmo wrote: Not to mention that they managed to disrespect their own game in that OSL broadcast. That was disgusting. Wait what happened? I'm not aware of this :o | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:43 IntoTheEmo wrote: It's also in the timing, WotLK came out shortly after the merger, which was when all the WoW complaints started. Either way, their actions speak for themselves, they aren't the same company anymore regardless. From WoW alone: the scrapping of the promised water instance for a rushed end game Dragon Soul, the reworking of talents to be similar to D3, how they managed to break the default UI in 5.0, how we got 2 crappily redone troll instances as 4.1 content for months... I realize people make mistakes, but the number of questionable decisions they've made that make you want to go "honestly, why do that for?" is staggering over the recent years. I mean, did we really need Farmville/Pokemon in WoW? Did we need a BNet GUI on SC2 that looks like it was designed for console? Do we really need chat chan- oh wait. Not to mention that they managed to disrespect their own game in that OSL broadcast. That was disgusting. I could go on forever complaining, but yeah, there'll always be people who'll defend Blizzard. I've always joked about how Blizzard would still break sales records if they sold an empty game box. I feel that they're abusing their brand name to its maximum right now, releasing games as if they were still in beta - MoP won't be released with cross realm zones (?), SC2 was released without chat channels, D3 was released without PvP. Yeah their games in the past were missing a few features/had bugs/were imbalanced, but you don't really feel that they've blatantly allowed that to happen. That's what's annoying about them right now. That's why we're so quick to blame it on Activision. Ah well, back to WC3. With my nostalgia glasses on, clearly. This is the kind of scapegoating and selective memory I'm talking about. The complaints started in WotLK? Really? Did you ever play WoW in Classic and TBC? Remember raid or die, world of roguecraft, welfare epics from arenas, complaints that the game was too hard, waiting for months as Blizzard "balanced" classes at the rate of 1-2 per patch, honor system being nothing but a mindless and skill-less grind, AP-PoM-Pyro, dying in 1 global, etc? Blizzard has made a lot of stupid and moronic decisions before Activision and a lot of stupid and moronic decisions after Activision. Stop using Activision as a scapegoat and put the blame where it belongs -- Blizzard. | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:43 IntoTheEmo wrote: I mean, did we really need Farmville/Pokemon in WoW? Did we need a BNet GUI on SC2 that looks like it was designed for console? Do we really need chat chan- oh wait. I work in a software company where we have a motto "Release things done", currently Blizzard seems to "Release things undone, the rest will come Soon™. " | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:45 Djzapz wrote: Wait what happened? I'm not aware of this :o In the last BW OSL finals they showed a clip of Mike Morhaime I believe telling all the fans to drop BW and get with the future: SC2. The exact words felt far more offensive than I can portray here. Unsurprisingly it didn't resonate with BW fans. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:45 Djzapz wrote: Wait what happened? I'm not aware of this :o It starts here in the LR thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350009¤tpage=94 There was a recording on Sayle's twitch.tv account but I don't know if it's still there | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Saying bad things about your owner publicly doesn't seem like a good idea to me. The things I have heard and read about Bobby Kotick up till make me think he is a white,ginger version of Gus Fring. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:52 EchOne wrote: In the last BW OSL finals they showed a clip of Mike Morhaime I believe telling all the fans to drop BW and get with the future: SC2. The exact words felt far more offensive than I can portray here. Unsurprisingly it didn't resonate with BW fans. On September 19 2012 01:53 IntoTheEmo wrote: It starts here in the LR thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350009¤tpage=94 There was a recording on Sayle's twitch.tv account but I don't know if it's still there Thanks guys. I'd like to hear the actual quote... Sounds like I have more reasons to dislike that wretched company now... | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
For the somewhat bland gameplay, and some strange decisions, I blame blizzard. For releasing incomplete games, and without Blizzard-like polish, I blame Activision, since the design policy changed way too abruptly and there's no other reason for that to happen except tighter deadlines, which mostly big publishers enforce. | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:55 TheKefka wrote: Even if the things that people say about Activision was true you really think blizzard would openly admit it in some random article? Blizzard employees changed over time. I beleive you heard about bitching on facebook: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17wj7be08umdxjpg/original.jpg) and its not just him, also whole Blizz North, Bill Roper and others. That company has changed a lot for last decade. My question to open public is what has changed since 2004 (WoW release), was there anything, that you say in next 10 years "oh that was amazing thing, I spent my childhood playing it?" I'd say no, they still release decent products, but its not epic anymore. A magical spark of Blizzard game is gone since WoW. On September 19 2012 02:02 mordk wrote: Blizz didn't release half-completed titles. Yes, it still can be worse. We are not discussing EA, right?  | ||
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klaxen
United States361 Posts
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:52 Probe1 wrote: Why in gods name would you admit that you're a terrible game designer when the public believes its not your fault?! I think the piles, and piles, and piles, and piles, of money they've made as a "terrible game designer" probably cushions the blow from all the hate. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:02 Ashur wrote: Blizzard employees changed over time. I beleive you heard about bitching on facebook: + Show Spoiler + and its not just him, also whole Blizz North, Bill Roper and others. That company has changed a lot for last decade. My question to open public is what has changed since 2004 (WoW release), was there anything, that you say in next 10 years "oh that was amazing thing, I spent my childhood playing it?" I'd say no, they still release decent products, but its not epic anymore. A magical spark of Blizzard game is gone since WoW. Yes, it still can be worse. We are not discussing EA, right? Well, IMO, until Wotlk WoW is one of the best games ever released, definitely the best MMORPG ever, and one of the games that I've had the most fun playing  WoW is (or was, never played cata and beyond), an incredible game | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:03 klaxen wrote: People built up an idea in their head of the perfect game for so long that NOTHING was going to reach their level of expectation. And now it's cool to hate them while still posting on a website dedicated to two of their titles. Are you referring to KESPA, people or whole SCBW community? We are not Blizzard employees or sheeps, we did ouselves. Think of PGTour, ICC, etc. They made us a tool of course, but still the spirit is in us, not in their current goal, to get as much money as possible. Think twice, they are doing it for money, not to make you feel comfortable or happy playing their game. You spent 60$ on SC2, and I have no doubt you will buy HotS. So in their eyes, what needs to be changed what so ever? | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:56 Scarecrow wrote: It's still just PR and I'm not buying it. It still feel like Blizzard's adopted some of Activision's philosophies even if there was no overt pressure to do so. It could also just be the WoW cash cow corrupting the company's integrity over time. The funny thing is that WoW is the most well-designed game that Blizzard is supporting at the moment. I find a couple things odd. First, it's funny that Blizzard is essentially saying that the decline in game quality is, in fact, completely their fault, and not Activision's. I guess that's noble of them. Beyond that, I find that the Blizzard fanbase (especially some of the long-standing fans) have become quite entitled when it comes to games (myself included). Let's be reasonable here; World of Warcraft is still the best MMO every created; it is specifically designed to be a semi-casual to casual-friendly game and almost everything that WoW is doing is pushing it toward that aim and it is doing it well. At this point, there really isn't any valid criticism for WoW aside from saying "It's too easy"; and this isn't even a valid claim because the game is made to be easy. As for SC2, by all industry accounts, this game is a very good game. Presentation is well-done (graphics are unique and stylized, controls and UI are fluid and intuitive) and the gameplay is great. Of course, there are valid criticisms. B.net 2.0 has an obviously inferior UI to the original B.net. Not only that, the game is in this limbo between appealing to casual players and taking the role of BW in the esports scene due to the fact that Blizzard very intentionally used SC2 to kill the BW scene. And, of course, any objective spectator can see that SC2's current condition is far worse in terms of esports than BW's was. Oh, and the SC2 story is some of the worst righting in any game made in the past 10 years. All of that said, the game is a very good game for the vast majority of the gaming population. I'll give the heavy-handed critics their leeway with Diablo 3. There's really nothing that Diablo 3 improved over its predecessor; in fact, Diablo 3 did pretty much everything worse than Diablo 2 did. Diablo 3 is incredibly uninspired and really would be the "money grab" out of these three. But again, it is still a fun game and for the majority of gamers (which are casual), the game is perfectly acceptable. Overall, while criticisms of games are perfectly valid, we should all take a moment to remember that these games are still good, and we just have an incredibly high standard set by previous Blizzard games. | ||
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