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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 14 2012 23:10 GMT
#101
On October 15 2012 07:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
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On October 15 2012 07:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
At least Rick Perry won't be our president. Although our two frontrunners only look better by comparison, than by merit alone.

Presidential ads don't need to have any positive aspects. Americans respond to fear, to deep voices and scowling faces, to grayscaled candidates. People say they're tired of these kind of ads, but I am doubtful that were they not effective on a meaningful scale that they would keep using them, especially with the slew of people in a campaign office whose sole job is to study what voters respond to in advertisements.


Perry's a good governor (more liberal than people think), although I agree he shouldn't be president.

The real reason the ads are the way they are, however, isn't more about people falling for the same thing over and over again entirely. By this point, those kind of people have already made an educated decision about which of the two (if any) they're going to vote for. The ads, debates, and all that other nonsense is just for the undecided voters, most of whom respond well to this kind of advertising and blunt black-and-white politics.

They don't need to target the people making educated voting decisions because it would take too much time and effort and those people are already gone. When Romney said his thing about the "47%" who weren't voting for him, he's absolutely correct and all politicians have a similar mentality to this.

Also a good point. And I enjoyed that people were trying to paint Romney as an asshole for that comment, when it's actually the most honest thing I've heard a candidate say.

EDIT: OMG everyone I'm so sorry, I thought this was the Presidential Election thread, this is the congressional thread ahhhh dammit alllll Derailment, derailment, derailment.


Eh, it was interesting to get some comments in here for once, and also your points are still valid for the congressional election.

Now I won't feel as guilty when I bump this thread in about a week.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 15 2012 14:01 GMT
#102
On October 15 2012 07:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 07:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
At least Rick Perry won't be our president. Although our two frontrunners only look better by comparison, than by merit alone.

Presidential ads don't need to have any positive aspects. Americans respond to fear, to deep voices and scowling faces, to grayscaled candidates. People say they're tired of these kind of ads, but I am doubtful that were they not effective on a meaningful scale that they would keep using them, especially with the slew of people in a campaign office whose sole job is to study what voters respond to in advertisements.


Perry's a good governor (more liberal than people think), although I agree he shouldn't be president.

The real reason the ads are the way they are, however, isn't more about people falling for the same thing over and over again entirely. By this point, those kind of people have already made an educated decision about which of the two (if any) they're going to vote for. The ads, debates, and all that other nonsense is just for the undecided voters, most of whom respond well to this kind of advertising and blunt black-and-white politics.

They don't need to target the people making educated voting decisions because it would take too much time and effort and those people are already gone. When Romney said his thing about the "47%" who weren't voting for him, he's absolutely correct and all politicians have a similar mentality to this.

Also a good point. And I enjoyed that people were trying to paint Romney as an asshole for that comment, when it's actually the most honest thing I've heard a candidate say.

EDIT: OMG everyone I'm so sorry, I thought this was the Presidential Election thread, this is the congressional thread ahhhh dammit alllll Derailment, derailment, derailment.


Noooo!! Stay awhile and discuss! Pleeeaaase! X-D


'Kay. Watched the debate. Akin and McCaskill couldn't stop stabbing at each other, and poor Dine stuttered his way through what I felt like was the most genuine platform of all three. This is going to be my personal rundown of the debate (written late at night so full of generalizing opinions and lack of care, lol), and since it's so long, I've spoilered it in advance if folks don't wanna read it. (TL;DR version below)

+ Show Spoiler +
Akin's "Legitimate Rape"

Akin took his "legitimate rape" questions and completely turned the discussion around to something different, and I was all "whtf is he doing?" until I realized that he was SUPPOSED to point out more important topics if he believed they were more imperative than his comments, lol. McCaskill then somehow turned from talking about how important his statements were,... by talking about other things. And finally Dine turned the conversation to his own honest policies. So I guess the end result is that Akin's remarks really were just a slip, like no big deal, and the most everyone could do was simply buff up their other stances by pointing out how trivial they believed it, and perhaps the matter of abortion itself in this election, was.

Postal Service

Dine's in support of raising taxes on stamps to cover costs of improving the USPS. Lolwut? I thought he was the Libertarian here. X-D

"The Postal Service is Constitutional. Government's supposed to be doing that." That first statement really threw me for a loop. The rest of Akin's answer to the Postal Service question I totally expected, playing on the heartstrings of the elderly, attempting to (I guess) harken back to "good ol' days" when everyone knew everybody and all that nostalgic fuzziness. Also when the Postal Service probably wasn't terrible, lol. His solution sounds good on principle at least. Taxes seem like a different issue altogether, but applying free market forces in the way he recommends made me nod.

I think McCaskill shot herself in the foot on this one. Eventually letting the private sector handle mail (as it already does many packages via UPS, FedEx, and the like) leads me to believe it would lower prices instead. She too says it's in the Constitution. I'mma have to look this up now; I haven't thought about this issue all that much.... Her statement about USPS being comprehensive and comparably efficient to the rest of the world is accurate, I believe. It IS good, darned good, relatively speaking. But it could still be vastly improved in my opinion.

Medicare

I know very little about this whole topic, especially when it comes to "Obamacare." The libertarian in me says it's dumb because it looks like more government control, especially over our health, and the very, very high probability of a (or multiple) tax increase(s). But I have to ultimately shrug at it all 'cause it's not my area of expertise.

Needless to say, the three replied in the way I expected. First time I've heard a Dem espouse any bit of capitalism though, lol.

"Wild Card"

I really wish I could believe McCaskill here. It's as if she wanted to throw her hands up and say, "Hey, Missouri, this is what your people said. I'm just followin' orders." In that respect, that's great for her, because she's listening to the people. But since I already disagree with a fair number of the policies she said Missourians wanted, then I have the citizens to get mad at. Of course, if she's being disingenuous here.... Then that's obviously even worse.

I noticed that most of Dine's statements are almost verbatim from his own website. Not that that's a bad thing against him, but it again testifies to his inability to speak well in front of the camera.

No comment on Akin's point; I just lost interest was all.

Foreign Policy

Dine said what I thought he'd say. Akin took an intriguing turn on it, going to Poland and the Czech first, then got predicatble with Egypt and the Middle East. Aaaaaaand Claire. Ooooohhhh Claire. m-D I find it interesting that Akin has two kids who've been over there; kinda throws a twist on the "millionaire's son" stigma, if you ask me, 'cause he actually CAN claim that his children are fighting this war.

Dealing with the Deficit/Budget

Congress poked the Senate, and the Senate poked Congress. And then Dine poked both of them, hahaha!

Obesity

o_o

I was puzzled by this one. McCaskill took a center-right approach by suggesting the government "back off," and then Dine says the government should "set the best example" out of all of us. And then Akin, while he still agreed with Claire that the people should choose for themselves, got all "soft-spoken" 'n' junk and tried waxing eloquence on "The American Dream" and "Try, Try Again." Seriously, where in the world did that come from, Todd?! Just... this whole segment made me scratch my head. X-D

Closing Remarks

On Akin: Jefferson believed in a "Creator?" Really?... Will give credit to Todd on at least one thing: he did not attack his opponent(s) in either his opening or closing statements. Personally, I'm glad he didn't use his time to bash Claire, but instead to end on a positive note.

On McCaskill: "We have a choice, not just between two candidates..." Dine is RIGHT, FREAKING, THERE standing NEXT to you, Claire! Seriously! Too soon! m-D

On Dine: He didn't speak well, but he stole the whole show with that last joke.



Overall, this debate turned out quite civil if you ask me. I expected far more negativity, but all of the candidates proved respectful, 'least enough not to talk over each other.

So "who won," you ask?

Politically: McCaskill. It was about even between Akin and her until the former didn't attack Claire in his final statement, while McCaskill gave a fair bit to rail on Todd. I appreciated his uplifting words at the end, but it looked flowery and almost like a distraction to Claire's caustic rhetoric.
Policy-wise: Dine. He stated almost all of his goals clearly (he seemed thrown off only by the USPS and obesity discussions) and his canderous attitude enforces his stance.
My Vote: If I had to vote on these three solely based on this one debate alone, with no other prior experience or information on them, I'd go with Dine to be honest. He seemed the one least stuck in the mire of politics, and I could understand his positions even with a few disagreements, whereas those of Todd and Claire were 15% stance and 85% attack on the other. Dine was the only one I took with some seriousness, while it was difficult for me to actually find the stances for the others underneath all their aggression.

Actual vote will NOT be Dine, just for the record.... Maybe.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 17 2012 03:46 GMT
#103
Going through my absentee ballot this evening. Couldn't find third party candidates for anything lower than Attorney General. Decided to look up some voting stats from last election back in 2008, and I found them very troubling for anyone who wants to vote for a candidate besides Republican or Democrat. Literally less than 1% of the vote for many.... ;_; To be fair, this is in St. Louis County; I'm not sure how this would stack up against the more rural areas of the state (and Missouri has plenty of rural areas, lol).

Still, this worries me, as I thought the strongest option for getting independents into higher offices would be to start their respective parties off in the lower ones, like at the county and district levels. This info., however,... just doesn't make it seem plausible anymore....
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 17 2012 20:39 GMT
#104
That whole paragraph here as well. Looked at my absentee ballot, of the 10 candidates for president I have only seen advertising for three of them. Of the six men up for senator, there has only been ads for one because the Republicans have all but bailed on their man.

I've got a healthy mix of Republicans and Democrats on my wish list, but I still don't know enough about the third parties to cast my lot with any of them.

We have independents and various parties I've never heard of running for mayor and school board.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
November 07 2012 19:27 GMT
#105
State results are in. Here're mine (with thoughts): + Show Spoiler +
http://enr.sos.mo.gov/ENR/Views/TabularData.aspx?TabView=StateRaces^Federal%20/%20Statewide%20Races^488624884533

Yeah, Akin didn't stand a chance, lol.... Surprised how close Prop B was. It seems most of our Representatives are Republican, and Romney won our popular vote by over 9%, but we chose Democrats for practically everything else? Goodness. We're a weird state. X-D


Sentinel, how did things turn out in New Jersey? And everyone else, what about your state, if you don't mind sharing?
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 08 2012 04:07 GMT
#106
That clown Menendez got reelected... I wish I could make a really detailed results post for all states but I can't on my phone
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
November 08 2012 04:36 GMT
#107
Oh please, I'd let 'em find out for themselves. ;-P Unless, of course, you have something different in mind.

The New Hampshire "income tax ban" piques my interest, most notably. Looks like it "won" 57-43, but needed 2/3 of the vote to actually pass. D'oh!!
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
November 08 2012 22:11 GMT
#108
I live in PA where the Republican gerrymandering is absurd, went from 7 D, 12 R seats to 5 D, 13 R seats this time, even though adding up all the votes Democrats for house got more votes.

Here's what our absurd map looks like:
http://www.politicspa.com/pas-new-congressional-maps/30096/

I live in that ridiculous looking white 12th district that merged two districts barely controlled by democrats (and also barely geographically connected to each other), so they had to face each other in primary, and then the republican Rothfus barely took it in the general election.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
November 08 2012 22:45 GMT
#109
Meh. At least your state has some balance between the parties.

Look at Missouri's.

Heard about it on the news this morning first. Reps definitely have a 2/3 advantage in the MO House right now. Everyone's talking about "bipartisan this and that," but with our Governor, Secretary of State, Treasurer, and Attorney General elected Democrat, I doubt we'll be seeing anything remotely related to cooperation anytime soon, lol.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
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