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On August 25 2012 02:53 Kazius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:09 Jumbled wrote:
I'd say the goal of a conviction now is to show cyclists that they can't get away with it, and that they will eventually be caught. Nothing to do with "spite or greed". They have all the blood and urine samples from when he was competing - he may very well be the most tested person in the history of sports already, since the French got really pissed off at him winning all the titles at the time. So now, after years of testing, while he's retired, they still want to bug him to go over and do more tests. He tells them "enough is enough", and now he's the bad guy, and obviously as guilty as "they" (being the people who have tested him extensively for the last decade or so) have always said. Because dammit, a decade of testing is still not enough to be 100% sure. Not a single athlete in any international sport, EVER, has been subject to the level of scrutiny Armstrong has. Are you saying we should test every multiple winner for a decade, or else take away their medals, records and achievements? Now tell me that this is not out of "spite or greed". Tell me this is perfectly reasonable. You want unreasonable? Try Bolt's records, they should test him forever, and shouldn't have given him the medal since obviously what he did was impossible, until they check some more.
two tests were negatives 1999/2005 but the UCI covered him for business purpose.
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i think the nationalism going on here is pretty self-evident. this is mostly why cycling is a horrible elitist sport full of arrogant pricks. oddly enough i don't feel this way in relation to national pride in other sports. cycling in particular just seems like it is run in the details by slimballs and douchebags. people are going to believe whatever they want. the sad part is that no one knows enough to detect the pure fabrications, or the spins in the face of reality. they are more incline to believe whatever their version of sports reporting feeds them.
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On August 25 2012 02:50 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:48 L_Master wrote:On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote:
"Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment"
no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist. While he is probably guilty of doping, I don't really think it diminishes his accomplishments much at all. Literally everyone at that time was doping, and Lance doing so just helped put him on a level playing field which he still proceeded to smash. Not everyone doped the same way... He was probably the best in the early 2000's tho but it's impossible to say it.
Certainly true. It's even possible that on an undoped playing field Lance would have been just another good cyclist as he may have been someone who saw extreme benefits from doping whereas others see lesser benefits.
Still, he did consistently beat the other riders during a time period in which almost all the top riders were doped to the gills and as such I still absolutely consider him the top rider of that era.
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On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate.
Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles.
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On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles.
Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him.
But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man...
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On August 25 2012 03:06 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him. But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man...
Of course they are. Look at what happened with Jose Canesco and the MLB.
Lance's teammates were stupid enough to get caught. What do they do out of spite? "Well, yeah so-and-so was doing this as well!" Publish a book, etc.
Athletes do get thrown under the bus and if they were a top dog you bet your ass they're going to go after them.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/usada.html this is what he was accused of, btw - highly recommended reading
quoting this again
On August 25 2012 02:49 Grumbels wrote:Poll: Do you think Armstrong is innocent?No (37) 79% Yes (10) 21% 47 total votes Your vote: Do you think Armstrong is innocent? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles.
There are direct evidences, trials/examination have been shut down by the UCI. God some people are uninformed as hell and try to be smart...
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On August 25 2012 03:06 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him. But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man...
Does it matter? He (Lance) survived a deadly condition (don't know how, but he did it). I might say that nothing in the world can be more precious than being able to have a normal life, not even 7 lol titles.
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You would have to be a fool to think he is innocent. Every professional sport is a race between drug developers and drug test designers. Everybody cheats because if you don't then you have no chance. That said, since everybody cheats his wins are still amazing and well deserved. I agree that the enforcement agencies need to maintain a no tolerance policy just so that it does not become standard for athletes to dope themselves into the grave by 30 (and anybody who thinks they wouldn't if it were widely allowed/available is also a fool) and so maybe the official record needs to be changed but Lance is still Lance.
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On August 25 2012 03:14 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:06 L_Master wrote:On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him. But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man... Does it matter? He (Lance) survived a deadly condition (don't know how, but he did it). I might say that nothing in the world can be more precious than being able to have a normal life, not even 7 lol titles.
After "beating" cancer, he promptly left his supportive wife for Cheryl Crow. He hardly appeared humbled in the manner you suggest.
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On August 25 2012 03:12 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. There are direct evidences, trials/examination have been shut down by the UCI. God some people are uninformed as hell and try to be smart...
I am quite sure that you can provide some sources for those direct evidences/trials/examinations. If not I am sorry for not listening to the gossips at UCI done around the water-cooler .
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On August 25 2012 03:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:06 L_Master wrote:On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him. But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man... Of course they are. Look at what happened with Jose Canesco and the MLB. Lance's teammates were stupid enough to get caught. What do they do out of spite? "Well, yeah so-and-so was doing this as well!" Publish a book, etc. Athletes do get thrown under the bus and if they were a top dog you bet your ass they're going to go after them.
he writes articles for vice.com's stuff section along side teenaged cokehead hipsters. in his last article he intimated he wanted to have sex with 13 year old girls. i highly recommend it.
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Armstrong rode when they already had the blood pasport in 09-10. UCI was forced to put in place the blood pasport, but they are extremely lax with it. A suspicion list was leaked because someone leaked it to force UCI's hand. But still nothing happened. Well, Barredo got banned by his own team.
Apparently ASADA thinks Armstrong'sblood pasport is indicative of doping. That's just a few years ago.
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How can people defend this guy? He's quite literally the biggest fraud through sporting history. It's not sad that he's finally caught, it's sad that he managed to trick millions of people into buying his legitimacy and that he managed to create a fraudulent legacy. However, him finally being caught is good. This is a joyous day for cycling, because this has been a very important step towards restoring some of the tarnished reputation it has been developing over the past 2 decades - especially during the armstrong years.
And I mean come on. There's no way in hell he'd give up his medals if he didn't know that the public hearing with 10+ former teammates of his burning him on a stake would ruin his reputation even worse than accepting this ruling did. (As should be evident; guy still has supporters? I mean wtf.)
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On August 25 2012 03:16 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:14 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 03:06 L_Master wrote:On August 25 2012 03:01 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:47 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 02:46 HomeWorld wrote:On August 25 2012 02:40 Trok67 wrote:On August 25 2012 02:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
Unbelievably fucking stupid. He's been harassed non-stop, and he finally gives in. Now they are going to take them away EVEN THOUGH THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. He'll get them back. This is far too moronic for him not to get them back. no evidence ? 10 american teammates or so, most of them ready to testify under oath, saying that he was using PEDs along with the US-postal team. He got tested positive by a test on TdF 1999 tested back in 2005 (but the test was supposed to be anonymous so didnt count) and some positive blood test that they were about to reveal. There is so much proof that he preferred to avoid the trial because he had absolutely no chance to get away with it It is strange to see how many american people are still defending him. You guys usually are known to give a very strong value to the law and how people should respect it in any circumstances. And yet one can hear "it is no big deal other were doing it also", "it is still a great performance he should get away with it", "he won tour de france 7 times he shouldnt get harras like that", "thats so long ago they should just drop it...". The law is the law period and you can't just let people get away with it. It broke the rules and he has to pay for it. Ten peoples ready to jump from a bridge is not an evidence of that said bridge being deadly. Suffice to say, we should wait for those 10 american teammates to testify first then jump to conclusions. 1999/2005. that's all it have to be said. Not mentionning the fact some blood test were supposed to be reaveled in case of a trial. they can't testimate since Armstrong refused the trial, you trapped yourself with ignorance here mate. Jumpy jumpy to conclusions you are, aren't you? The thing is that there are no direct evidences incriminating Lance for using banned substances/bla bla (and you know what that means). Yet we are so eager to throw stones at him just because "he might". That's not the way of doing justice. Also I believe Lance gives a crap for those 7 titles, I guess he's more than happy to be alive than to care for those titles. Rest of your post is fine, though I'm not sure people are eager to "throw stones" at him. But this gives a crap about his 7 titles....that is complete, total BS. That is the man's cycling legacy, his major life's body of work. That's like saying you worked and slaved away in the laboratory for 20 years to come up with a drug to cure Alzheimer's and then when somebody else copied it and stole credit you wouldn't care? No way man... Does it matter? He (Lance) survived a deadly condition (don't know how, but he did it). I might say that nothing in the world can be more precious than being able to have a normal life, not even 7 lol titles. After "beating" cancer, he promptly left his supportive wife for Cheryl Crow. He hardly appeared humbled in the manner you suggest.
Well, just saying , my mom have breast cancer, wished she "beated it" the same way Lance did. Anyway, this is not the place for it. What you've said: that's quite a "normal" life , isn't it  )
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But even without a positive test, the antidoping agency appeared set to move forward with arbitration.
Well ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly what is wrong with the world.
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Interesting stats -- would elite athletes take a drug to win a gold medal, if it killed them five years later?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/phys-ed-will-olympic-athletes-dope-if-they-know-it-might-kill-them/#more-23071
There’s a well-known survey in sports, known as the Goldman Dilemma. For it, a researcher, Bob Goldman, began asking elite athletes in the 1980s whether they would take a drug that guaranteed them a gold medal but would also kill them within five years. More than half of the athletes said yes. When he repeated the survey biannually for the next decade, the results were always the same. About half of the athletes were quite ready to take the bargain.
Only recently did researchers get around to asking nonathletes the same question. In results published online in February, 2009 in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, exactly 2 of the 250 people surveyed in Sydney, Australia, said that they would take a drug that would ensure both success and an early death. “We were surprised,” James Connor, Ph.D., a lecturer at the University of New South Wales and one of the study’s authors, said in an e-mail message. “I expected 10-20 percent yes.” His conclusion, unassailable if inexplicable, is that “elite athletes are different from the general population, especially on desire to win.”
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Why are so many people defending the guy? Stop it already. If it was anyone else we'd be calling him a cheat and no one would give two shits beyond that. We'd be calling this insurmountable evidence. Instead, it's Lance Armstrong, so everything must be BS. His teammates implicated him, USADA levied some of the heaviest charges in history against him. Why are we still defending him? The world must be out against Lance Armstrong.
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