EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 21
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Wampaibist
United States478 Posts
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Trok67
France384 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:59 bonifaceviii wrote: If you're watching the Tour De France, the leader at any point in time is most likely doping. The race is morally bankrupt. Well, its not ONLY Tour de Frace, it is pretty much every sport. And if you do not see something like that in other sports it is simply because they do not even try to catch the athletes using PEDs. Like in the olympics, I am pretty sure A LOT of athletes were doped but they just dont try to catch because it will ternish the image of the competition a lot. Same for football (soccer) , I can not remember a single major player being convicted of doping and still can you imagine that nobody in the best teams are using some even though the money in it is huge ? They just let it go because they saw what happened with cyclism when you beging to try to "clean the sport from doping". You just make everybody see how dirty it is and that is very bad for the image. | ||
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stillborn
Germany119 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote: "Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment" no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist. Nono, you got it wrong. Everybody is doing doping in cycling. So it is fan accomplishment again. | ||
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:08 Trok67 wrote: Well, its not ONLY Tour de Frace, it is pretty much every sport. And if you do not see something like that in other sports it is simply because they do not even try to catch the athletes using PEDs. Like in the olympics, I am pretty sure A LOT of athletes were doped but they just dont try to catch because it will ternish the image of the competition a lot. Same for football (soccer) , I can not remember a single major player being convicted of doping and still can you imagine that nobody in the best teams are using some even though the money in it is huge ? They just let it go because they saw what happened with cyclism when you beging to try to "clean the sport from doping". You just make everybody see how dirty it is and that is very bad for the image. Evidence please. I think Tennis and Soccer, the only sports that i care about, are rather doping-free (i remember Canas and Coria cought doping, but that's pretty much it). | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:17 Zaqwert wrote: Sports needs to get over this idiocy when it comes to "performance enhancing drugs" Most drugs make people healthier or stronger, that's what they do. If you wake up today with a horrible cold and take some cold medicine so you can make it to work and do you job, technically you just took a "performance enhancing drug" What's natural is being sick, having bad eye sight, tearing up your knee and having it forever be gimpy, etc. Athletes now a days have access to the best doctors, surgeons, trainers, technology, etc. It's call progress. Steroids, if taken responsibly, are actually pretty safe and very effective. Obviously if they are abused or taken recklessly they can have really bad side effects. But you know what else is like that? EVERY DRUG EVER. Ohhh man. You are funnnnny. Lol. In fact, most drugs mess you up one way or another. There is no +10 strength pill. It's more like +10 str, - 5 int, -5 dex, -5 con. Miracle pills only exist in movies. If you can't figure out where you're paying (physically/mentally) for the PED, that only means it's unknown. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:05 Redox wrote: I meant people here were acknowledging that he cheated and stated that they support him regardless. Thats what I dont get. And lets be honest for a second, really no one with the least bit of knowledge doubts it. Which unfortunately excludes many people here in this thread. It's pathetic that so many here do not read up on the evidence (available in this thread!) and just repeat talking points fed to them by Armstrong's groupies. I would rather take seriously the opinion of someone who did the least bit of reading up instead of someone convinced by Armstrong's handsome face and inspirational story that he really couldn't have. If this was a cycling forum half the people in this thread would have been banned for spreading misinformation lol. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:09 stillborn wrote: Nono, you got it wrong. Everybody is doing doping in cycling. So it is fan accomplishment again. Ok I admit it is an accomplishment. The main accomplishment though is to do as efficient doping as possible while still managing to not get caught. It is more about having a good team doctor and being clever than being a talented rider. Oh and of course about being able to lie into a camera with a straight face. These are all talents of course, but no talents that I feel should be rewarded with millions. | ||
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Trok67
France384 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:11 kusto wrote: Evidence please. I think Tennis and Soccer, the only sports that i care about, are rather doping-free (i remember Canas and Coria cought doping, but that's pretty much it). well, as I said, they are not trying to catch the athletes using PEDs, so they will never catch them and so the fan will keep believing that these sports are "doping-free" which conforts their position of not trying harder against drug | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
Lets be honest, after a decade of activity, winning 7 times and getting negative at each anti-doping test ... what the hell ?! I'm not saying that Lance is a saint, but until proven guilty, he is a saint (more or less)  | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:11 kusto wrote: Evidence please. I think Tennis and Soccer, the only sports that i care about, are rather doping-free (i remember Canas and Coria cought doping, but that's pretty much it). Not being caught does not mean they are innocent. The testing regime in football is very lax and therefore doping offers substantial benefits. If an entire team is fit 90 minutes per game for 70 games a year with all their best players, they will have better results, regardless of football being more of a technical sport and not a purely physiological one like cycling. The same goes for tennis. Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Serena Williams, Real Madrid and Barcelona are just some of the teams or players under suspicion for doping usage. Because the testing regime is a joke they won't ever be caught, but there certainly is a very high chance they use doping. People whine about 'innocent until proven guilty', but that just goes for the court of law. It's not an excuse to turn your brain off and shrug when you see people performing inhuman feats of fitness. | ||
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MyFirstProbe
Netherlands294 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:08 Trok67 wrote: Well, its not ONLY Tour de Frace, it is pretty much every sport. And if you do not see something like that in other sports it is simply because they do not even try to catch the athletes using PEDs. Like in the olympics, I am pretty sure A LOT of athletes were doped but they just dont try to catch because it will ternish the image of the competition a lot. Same for football (soccer) , I can not remember a single major player being convicted of doping and still can you imagine that nobody in the best teams are using some even though the money in it is huge ? They just let it go because they saw what happened with cyclism when you beging to try to "clean the sport from doping". You just make everybody see how dirty it is and that is very bad for the image. Yeah, that's strange, if for example Lionel Messi was a cyclist he would have been suspended a long time ago, because he got growth hormones and I'm sure that goes for more football(soccer) players. There are just not that many sports where there asre so many tests on doping. | ||
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My.Row
Germany24 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:01 cari-kira wrote: no, this won't happen. as you said, Ulrich was doping so the first one that wasn''t convicted in the list would get the titles. dont know how far they have to go back in the drivers list though, could be very far. As far as I have read, it is still possible for Ullrich to receive those titles. What you said makes absolutely sense to me, but (at least german) newspapers say, Ullrich might become quadruple tour-de-france-champion^^ | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:21 Grumbels wrote: Not being caught does not mean they are innocent. The testing regime in football is very lax and therefore doping offers substantial benefits. If an entire team is fit 90 minutes per game for 70 games a year with all their best players, they will have better results, regardless of football being more of a technical sport and not a purely physiological one like cycling. The same goes for tennis. Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Serena Williams, Real Madrid and Barcelona are just some of the teams or players under suspicion for doping usage. Because the testing regime is a joke they won't ever be caught, but there certainly is a very high chance they use doping. could you elaborate on what type of drug you think they would be taking? certainly not a steriod, as those do not help dexterity, quiet the opposite. people here are taking in very certain, but also very general terms. i am going to call ego on the play. please be specific. i am sensing an armchair official. please correct me. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote: "Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment" no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist. A bad start will most likely have a bad ending. Hard for me to make any comments on this at first but then when you think about it, those aint fair accomplishments so he deserves some sort of punishment, but then again, he invested a lot (not money especifically) so this sux for him...this is sad definitely. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:11 kusto wrote: Evidence please. I think Tennis and Soccer, the only sports that i care about, are rather doping-free (i remember Canas and Coria cought doping, but that's pretty much it). 100+ footballers and some tennisman were involved in the puerto scandal which has effectively been shutdown byt the spanish government. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:11 danl9rm wrote: Ohhh man. You are funnnnny. Lol. In fact, most drugs mess you up one way or another. There is no +10 strength pill. It's more like +10 str, - 5 int, -5 dex, -5 con. Miracle pills only exist in movies. If you can't figure out where you're paying (physically/mentally) for the PED, that only means it's unknown. You could continue on with this relatively useless DnD analogy, or actually reference potential performance enhancing substances and their trade-offs. I can tell you that anabolic steroids can be used in a manner that greatly reduces the chances of negative side-effects, making some compounds safer than most prescription drugs. The same holds true for growth hormone. Furthermore, when talking about illegal advantage in endurance sports, the most common kind of doping is going to include long acting esters of Beta-2 stimulants and Erythropoietin, both of which are easily administered in a very low risk protocol. In other words, the health risk incurred by use of performance enhancing drugs is directly correlated with their appropriate administration. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:25 multiversed wrote: could you elaborate on what type of drug you think they would be taking? certainly not a steriod, as those do not help dexterity, quiet the opposite. people here are taking in very certain, but also very general terms. i am going to call ego on the play. please be specific. i am sensing an armchair official. please correct me. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2009/07/steroids_anyone.html Specifically Nadal has been thought to use steroids. But of course there are any number of drugs that could benefit you and it's foolish to imagine that given a lack of testing nobody would take any. | ||
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Thojorin
Germany162 Posts
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
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