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Keep Nation bragging and the political debate out.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 06 2012 06:29 GMT
#581
awkward hi fives yeaaah!!!!!
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 06 2012 06:30 GMT
#582
Its getting there I think but people are just so stupid.
twitch.tv/medrea
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 06:31:32
August 06 2012 06:31 GMT
#583
On August 06 2012 15:28 SafeAsCheese wrote:
They would be the first human to ever be on another planet, far far outstripping the fame that people like Armstrong got. Their name would go down in history for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.


The person who first steps on another planet will be in history textbooks a thousand years later.

Well, in whatever passes for history textbooks by that time.



...Anyways, there would be no shortage of qualified volunteers, even if it was a one way ticket.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 06 2012 06:31 GMT
#584
On August 06 2012 15:29 BuddhaMonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:25 Medrea wrote:
For current technology sending people to the surface of mars is a one way trip.

Take from that what you may. Some countries might have people with the gumption to accept a one way mission.


Not true, with enough money it's absolutely possible to do a return trip.


I was just listing the most expensive or possibly largest ethical hurdle.

As I said, if you give up on having a return trip, it probably shortens the timescale significantly.
twitch.tv/medrea
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:31 GMT
#585
The Case for Mars by Robert Zubrin. Read it.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 06 2012 06:32 GMT
#586
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ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11882 Posts
August 06 2012 06:33 GMT
#587
On August 06 2012 15:29 BuddhaMonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:25 Medrea wrote:
For current technology sending people to the surface of mars is a one way trip.

Take from that what you may. Some countries might have people with the gumption to accept a one way mission.


Not true, with enough money it's absolutely possible to do a return trip.


If they want to they can find volunteers for a one way trip if that is the better from a political viewpoint. The only way people are getting there in the near future is if a government sees the need for PR purposes.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 06 2012 06:34 GMT
#588
Damn, think Im gonna finish this entire bottle of wine i just opened. Cant get the grin off my face either!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 06 2012 06:34 GMT
#589
On August 06 2012 15:33 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:29 BuddhaMonk wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:25 Medrea wrote:
For current technology sending people to the surface of mars is a one way trip.

Take from that what you may. Some countries might have people with the gumption to accept a one way mission.


Not true, with enough money it's absolutely possible to do a return trip.


If they want to they can find volunteers for a one way trip if that is the better from a political viewpoint. The only way people are getting there in the near future is if a government sees the need for PR purposes.

There wouldn't be much public support for a suicide mission.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
August 06 2012 06:34 GMT
#590
Privitized space missions are the future of space exploration.
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Poyo
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada790 Posts
August 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#591
Party pooper
Poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#592
Out of control Press Conference.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 06:37:32
August 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#593
On August 06 2012 15:20 S:klogW wrote:
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On August 06 2012 15:12 Focuspants wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:06 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
[quote]

yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory#Instruments

Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.

Yes a wiki source!

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.


The US military budget is $683.7 BILLION. This entire mission cost approx. $2.5 billion. Your argument about focusing on the economy with this money is moot. The US military alone spends that much in a single day. There are good things to spend money on, this is one of them.

And for the love of god, can there be a single thread posted on TL where the word strawman doesnt appear. These basement philosophers come out in every thread and distract from the topic. Keep the strawmen in the field and the red herrings in the water, and lets just enjoy what the thread is really about, the awesomeness that is NASA and this mission.

Do you know what strawman means? I doubt you do because your rebuttal to me is a strawman on an issue that I already pointed out was a strawman. You even have the guts to lecture on strawman.

Let me educate you. I did not say the mission was bad, or even useless. I did not say divert the NASA budget to the military.

So comparing NASA's budget to the military is not the discussion here.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:12 keyStorm wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!







The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload!


Do we need to know that a crane technology like this works NOW???


Anyway, before this gets out of hand, I think my issue was as clear as it could be and I don't want to fuel more debates from people who just want to argue everything without basic understanding of the issues.


GOGOGO SCIENCE!!!


I studied philosophy, I know what a strawman argument is. Saying that this money is better spent on the economy, then being faced with a rebuttal showing that the amount of money we are discussing is so marginal, it isnt worth talking about, especially since it is more useful for mankind than some of the things the US military spends its money on, is not creating a different argument to distract focus. It is a valid point. If we can spend oodles of money on non productive things, and the one thing you decide to pick a bone with is a fraction of the cost of these frivolous expenditures, while you ignore the main issues, you are the one that is misguided in your logic.

Just like you are wrong about waiting 10 years to allow our technology advance. We need to test things and push boundaries. You dont go from a go kart to a formula 1 car in 1 step. You dont go from a kite to a fighter jet in 1 step. Its a constant state of improvement and advancement. The fact that youre in a tizzy over this is completely mind boggling. There is nothing more important than knowledge. It is the driving force of mankind. If obtaining knowledge isnt worth 2.5 billion bucks, I dont know what else is.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
August 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#594
On August 06 2012 15:33 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:29 BuddhaMonk wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:25 Medrea wrote:
For current technology sending people to the surface of mars is a one way trip.

Take from that what you may. Some countries might have people with the gumption to accept a one way mission.


Not true, with enough money it's absolutely possible to do a return trip.


If they want to they can find volunteers for a one way trip if that is the better from a political viewpoint. The only way people are getting there in the near future is if a government sees the need for PR purposes.


If you want to volunteer for a one way trip... go here:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/want-one-way-ticket-mars-dutch-company-looking-012824434.html
IreScath
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
August 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#595
I don't think a government would be willing to send someone to Mars without a return trip, mostly because of the media that goes with it. Ignoring the ethical concerns, it puts a very nasty footnote on the entire thing that I think most governments wouldn't want.

We have plenty of issues left, but not impossible to solve issues. The hardest one to solve is funding, the more funding the space program gets the quicker we'll get someone their.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 06 2012 06:36 GMT
#596
Oh there's actually a press conference... For a second there it just looked like 2 mintues of praising Murica then hi fiving for 20 minutes.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 06:37:27
August 06 2012 06:37 GMT
#597
On August 06 2012 15:34 S:klogW wrote:
Privitized space missions are the future of space exploration.


The way it is described in Altered Carbon (or the following books rather) ?
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
bay
Profile Joined April 2010
United States20 Posts
August 06 2012 06:37 GMT
#598
On August 06 2012 15:36 DannyJ wrote:
Oh there's actually a press conference... For a second there it just looked like 2 mintues of praising Murica then hi fiving for 20 minutes.


High-fives are the press conference.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
August 06 2012 06:37 GMT
#599
What's with all the hate in this thread?

Seems like an amazing occasion, but post after post are people hating on the scientists for being proud of themselves and their organization/country.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:39 GMT
#600
"This mission cost you less than $7 per American, and look at the excitement we've brought." -- JPL Director Charles Elachi
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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