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VY Canis Majoris
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden32 Posts
August 06 2012 06:13 GMT
#541
On August 06 2012 15:05 MoriyaGXP wrote:
This is the real mars PIC


[image loading]



What hahaha! So that's what the 14 minute delay was all about!
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 06:16:59
August 06 2012 06:14 GMT
#542
On August 06 2012 14:56 ~ava wrote:
I imagine all those numbers are for the betting pools. Landing with x kgs fuel, velocity at touchdown... someone owes someone a beer.

Yea actually. I remember he said something along the lines of: "sorry Bill, but there was 140kg of fuel left in the lander".
hohoho
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
August 06 2012 06:16 GMT
#543
The entire project cost about as much as the US military budget for one day.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
TheBatman
Profile Joined January 2011
United States209 Posts
August 06 2012 06:16 GMT
#544
Nasa is too arrogant, seriously they don't realize the sleeping beast they are waking.

We need to stop before it is too late, this was the response we got shortly after landing
[image loading]
keyStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada316 Posts
August 06 2012 06:17 GMT
#545
news conference coming up
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:18 GMT
#546
Briefing is about to start

http://www.spaceref.com/
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Left4Cookies
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Denmark803 Posts
August 06 2012 06:18 GMT
#547
On August 06 2012 15:12 keyStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!




The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload!


This. "How does this benefit us technologically?". Already before we know about it, NASA and MSL have given us a tool that will improve space exploration in the future. And who knows, perhaps it'll even be able to benefit us here in Earth? Getting an autonomous machine to drop payload like this could have practical applications? Who knows. NASA gave us edible toothpaste back in the days, so who knows what they'll give us..
Engineering's like math. But LOUDER!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:18 GMT
#548
Press Conference has started.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
August 06 2012 06:19 GMT
#549
Curiosity cost about as much as 12 F-35's. The US is ordering 2400 F-35s. Saying it's not affordable or a waste of money is ridiculous.
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 06:22:00
August 06 2012 06:19 GMT
#550
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!


How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new.

This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary.

And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years of history on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this.

Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 06 2012 06:20 GMT
#551
On August 06 2012 15:19 Sikly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!


How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new.

This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary.

And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this.

Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever.


Just ignore him. Waiting for technology must be an Austrian thing.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
August 06 2012 06:20 GMT
#552
On August 06 2012 15:12 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:06 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory#Instruments

Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.

Yes a wiki source!

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.


The US military budget is $683.7 BILLION. This entire mission cost approx. $2.5 billion. Your argument about focusing on the economy with this money is moot. The US military alone spends that much in a single day. There are good things to spend money on, this is one of them.

And for the love of god, can there be a single thread posted on TL where the word strawman doesnt appear. These basement philosophers come out in every thread and distract from the topic. Keep the strawmen in the field and the red herrings in the water, and lets just enjoy what the thread is really about, the awesomeness that is NASA and this mission.

Do you know what strawman means? I doubt you do because your rebuttal to me is a strawman on an issue that I already pointed out was a strawman. You even have the guts to lecture on strawman.

Let me educate you. I did not say the mission was bad, or even useless. I did not say divert the NASA budget to the military.

So comparing NASA's budget to the military is not the discussion here.

On August 06 2012 15:12 keyStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!







The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload!


Do we need to know that a crane technology like this works NOW???


Anyway, before this gets out of hand, I think my issue was as clear as it could be and I don't want to fuel more debates from people who just want to argue everything without basic understanding of the issues.


GOGOGO SCIENCE!!!
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
August 06 2012 06:20 GMT
#553
We just crane dropped a car. From a rocket. With a 14 minute communications delay. ON MARS.

Suck it Mars.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 06 2012 06:22 GMT
#554
Oh god he is talking away from his manuscript.

Someone tell him to stop.
twitch.tv/medrea
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 06 2012 06:22 GMT
#555
On August 06 2012 14:46 ThaZenith wrote:
Glad it all turned out great. Hope it turns up some interesting data over the next few days/months/years.


No one wants to build the part that fails first. Look at spirit/opportunity, they've well surpassed their expected lifetimes. Spirit/opportunity were meant to last 3 months on mars. Spirit lived for over 20 times that before dying and opportunity is going still going over 30x the time planned for it. I'd expect at least a decade of use out of curiosity, given what the designers know from designing spirit/oppotunity
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
August 06 2012 06:22 GMT
#556
On August 06 2012 15:19 Sikly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:54 Sikly wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:49 S:klogW wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:45 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:43 enemy2010 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:42 Tewks44 wrote:
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote:
so all this for a couple of blurry pics?


yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.

....financed by YOUR taxes!

Congrats!!






it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.

What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.

But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!


Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.

It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.


Strawman.

Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have

Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.

But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!


How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new.

This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary.

And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this.

Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever.


Apparently now people think they can just toss the word "strawman" out there and that will win him the argument. If you're going to call it a strawman argument you have to say why that is - he didn't do that. Your argument is perfectly valid.
Ickalanda
Profile Joined November 2010
United States50 Posts
August 06 2012 06:22 GMT
#557
On August 06 2012 15:16 okum wrote:
The entire project cost about as much as the US military budget for one day.

And the US military is only the 3rd most expensive thing that the US government does.
By the numbers boys!
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 06 2012 06:23 GMT
#558
What is the major complication that prevents humans from landing on mars right now?

Is it the return trip? The temperature?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2012 06:24 GMT
#559
FFS why was Charles Bolden allowed to speak in the first place?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 06 2012 06:24 GMT
#560
On August 06 2012 15:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:
What is the major complication that prevents humans from landing on mars right now?

Is it the return trip? The temperature?


Return trip. Its not the moon, you need a whole set of thrusters again to leave the atmosphere.
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