EPTOn August 06 2012 15:05 MoriyaGXP wrote:
This is the real mars PIC
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This is the real mars PIC
What hahaha! So that's what the 14 minute delay was all about!
Mars Mission: Curiosity - Page 28
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VY Canis Majoris
Sweden32 Posts
What hahaha! So that's what the 14 minute delay was all about! | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
On August 06 2012 14:56 ~ava wrote: I imagine all those numbers are for the betting pools. Landing with x kgs fuel, velocity at touchdown... someone owes someone a beer. Yea actually. I remember he said something along the lines of: "sorry Bill, but there was 140kg of fuel left in the lander". | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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TheBatman
United States209 Posts
We need to stop before it is too late, this was the response we got shortly after landing ![[image loading]](http://nganfunnyvoices.yolasite.com/resources/marvin-the-martian.jpg) | ||
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keyStorm
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Left4Cookies
Denmark803 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:12 keyStorm wrote: The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload! This. "How does this benefit us technologically?". Already before we know about it, NASA and MSL have given us a tool that will improve space exploration in the future. And who knows, perhaps it'll even be able to benefit us here in Earth? Getting an autonomous machine to drop payload like this could have practical applications? Who knows. NASA gave us edible toothpaste back in the days, so who knows what they'll give us.. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:02 S:klogW wrote: Strawman. Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology. But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science! How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new. This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary. And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years of history on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this. Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:19 Sikly wrote: How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new. This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary. And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this. Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever. Just ignore him. Waiting for technology must be an Austrian thing. | ||
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S:klogW
Austria657 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:12 Focuspants wrote: The US military budget is $683.7 BILLION. This entire mission cost approx. $2.5 billion. Your argument about focusing on the economy with this money is moot. The US military alone spends that much in a single day. There are good things to spend money on, this is one of them. And for the love of god, can there be a single thread posted on TL where the word strawman doesnt appear. These basement philosophers come out in every thread and distract from the topic. Keep the strawmen in the field and the red herrings in the water, and lets just enjoy what the thread is really about, the awesomeness that is NASA and this mission. Do you know what strawman means? I doubt you do because your rebuttal to me is a strawman on an issue that I already pointed out was a strawman. You even have the guts to lecture on strawman. Let me educate you. I did not say the mission was bad, or even useless. I did not say divert the NASA budget to the military. So comparing NASA's budget to the military is not the discussion here. On August 06 2012 15:12 keyStorm wrote: The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload! Do we need to know that a crane technology like this works NOW??? Anyway, before this gets out of hand, I think my issue was as clear as it could be and I don't want to fuel more debates from people who just want to argue everything without basic understanding of the issues. GOGOGO SCIENCE!!! | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Suck it Mars. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Someone tell him to stop. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6219 Posts
On August 06 2012 14:46 ThaZenith wrote: Glad it all turned out great. Hope it turns up some interesting data over the next few days/months/years. No one wants to build the part that fails first. Look at spirit/opportunity, they've well surpassed their expected lifetimes. Spirit/opportunity were meant to last 3 months on mars. Spirit lived for over 20 times that before dying and opportunity is going still going over 30x the time planned for it. I'd expect at least a decade of use out of curiosity, given what the designers know from designing spirit/oppotunity | ||
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:19 Sikly wrote: How the fuck is my argument a strawman? It is well known, you never wait for technology. It never stops. I mean, I don't know why I should even back that up if you really believe that you ever wait on technology. In 10 years it will almost always be better. We may make a huge break through in how we send rovers into space in that time period, or we may do it the exact same way. You can't wait for the future, you act on the present. When a mission can take a decade of planning, and years of travelling before it can even hit Mars, waiting around isn't getting anything done. Especially when budget cuts happen every year, in 10 years NASA may no longer exist with what cuts they are having(granted, this isn't a proper argument, but it is something that NASA has to have on the edge of there minds). The point of the matter is, the only time you wait on technology is when you have a release date 100% set for it, and even than it's often times better to just buy whatever currently is new. This is also an extremely difficult mission to do. We can have all the technology in the world, but we have to be able to use it. Even if we gain no knowledge, the success of this landing and all the little extra details it had involved in it was a huge success. It allows us to put bigger and better things on Mars next time we try. This was a far better technology than we previously used to put rovers on Mars, that was one of the reasons it was a very important mission. They didn't have the ability to test the systems on Earth. We had no way to replicate the conditions the landing would take place under. The more new things you do the more risk you add in with something, which is why they had that video where they showed each step and how worried they were about each individual thing, it was something new and scary. And what technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity? We expect to be able to gain info on several million(billion?) years on Mars that previously we had no access to because we could never land in the specific crater that we could easily get the info from. We have very little idea what this info will be, because we have almost no info on it. It's like asking what was the point of Einstein trying to figure out how light works. The LHC just did what it was designed to do, but it hasn't shown any break through in the world. It is still one of the most important parts of modern science. We can't perform science with the expectations that something happens. That simply isn't how it works. Sometimes you have to take a step back from the critical world and realize that we need to do things like this. Yes, I am arguing that we should dream from an emotional standpoint. Fuck anyone that doesn't have emotions. If you really want to take emotions out of humanity your are a sorry human being. Emotions is what makes life worth living. We should encourage our children to dream. We should encourage each other to dream. Dreaming is what makes being on this planet worth it. Mars is the next step for the journey of man kind, at least in my eyes. We still have plenty left to do on this Earth, but it is time to start looking outward in all directions. Many hard working people already are. But Mars is the next frontier for mankind, and we have to continue making progress towards it or else risk stagnating forever. Apparently now people think they can just toss the word "strawman" out there and that will win him the argument. If you're going to call it a strawman argument you have to say why that is - he didn't do that. Your argument is perfectly valid. | ||
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Ickalanda
United States50 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:16 okum wrote: The entire project cost about as much as the US military budget for one day. And the US military is only the 3rd most expensive thing that the US government does. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
Is it the return trip? The temperature? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:23 SafeAsCheese wrote: What is the major complication that prevents humans from landing on mars right now? Is it the return trip? The temperature? Return trip. Its not the moon, you need a whole set of thrusters again to leave the atmosphere. | ||
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