On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.
Yes a wiki source!
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.
Even if there is, there are plenty of better places to cut money from rather than something with such great positive externalities like the space program.
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Funding NASA provides for good jobs for Americans. That's exactly what the economy needs right now. I'm not sure what your point here is. It's not a zero sum game, you can improve education and healthcare and have the same NASA budget as right now (which is tiny comparatively speaking).
This is the coolest thing I have seen for as long as I can remember. The fact that Im chilling at my computer when I should be in bed for work in the morning watching a command center at NASA coordinate a fucking space robot with a 15 min delay to land on another fuckin planet is amazing.
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.
Yes a wiki source!
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.
The budget's been laid out. I think it's been considered as much as it can at this point.
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Relax it, sir. This is a glorious day for science!
I am just trying to imagine how it all went up there on mars half an hour ago.
Imagine complete silence on the surface of mars.
Then suddenly, a tiny bright dot lightens up at the sky, getting bigger and bigger. Now you can hear an explosion and suddenly this huge parachute evolves at the back of the landing pod.
The object comes closer and closer to the surface of mars.
The parachute is being shot away and the landing rockets ignite, drowning this perfect silence on mars.
The object comes closer and closer.
Suddenly, the crane is activated and tries to smoothly set down the rover on the dusty surface, while the landing rockets are still screaming and burning.
The rover touches the ground.
As soon as this was realized by the landing pod, it finally gives full power to the rockets, one last time, to fly away save and secure.
The rover is on the ground. In the distance you can still hear the screaming and burning rockets as their noises become more quiet and suddenly fall silent.
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.
Yes a wiki source!
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.
The US military budget is $683.7 BILLION. This entire mission cost approx. $2.5 billion. Your argument about focusing on the economy with this money is moot. The US military alone spends that much in a single day. There are good things to spend money on, this is one of them.
And for the love of god, can there be a single thread posted on TL where the word strawman doesnt appear. These basement philosophers come out in every thread and distract from the topic. Keep the strawmen in the field and the red herrings in the water, and lets just enjoy what the thread is really about, the awesomeness that is NASA and this mission.
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
The sky crane landing the rover super smoothly prooves that it works, and is the way to go for the next payload!
On August 06 2012 14:41 ZaplinG wrote: so all this for a couple of blurry pics?
yup, the only reason we landed this rover was so it could take a couple of blurry pics within 30 secs of landing. After that we cut off all communications.
....financed by YOUR taxes!
Congrats!!
it would still be totally worth it. I'd rather pay for some exploration than for a tank that may or may not accidentally destroy someone's home in the middle east.
What about for education and healthcare? I am excited as anyone in the Command room about this, but I feel there is not much significant knowledge we can gain with this doing this now. Perhaps a decade or so after when technology is more advanced then it would be more justifiable.
But I'm a science junkie, so anything for science!
Technology NEVER works like this. If everyone waited a decade for technology to get better than technology would never get better. Besides, if you wait 10 years than you'll have to wait another 10 years to wait another 10 years to...This promotes education. This may excite young kids to want to go work for NASA, which could influence education far more than almost anything else could.
It also does help the economy. The people that worked for NASA are part of the economy. The people that built the parts. They bought the metal from people, the cameras(or their parts) from people, the programmers, everything was a part of the economy. The guy currently speaking is actually putting it very well. This is needed. When we put dreaming on hold than the world truly becomes a sad place to live.
Strawman.
Answer this. What technology/knowledge do we expect to gain from Curiosity that we do not have with Opportunity and other recent Mars missions. There may be a lot, but not something that can change the course of history, like the moon landing etc. Imagine if we have
Dreaming? All you NDG Tyson fans are arguing this on an emotional viewpoint. There is a practical consideration to space missions, and all I'm saying is that with better technology, we can delpoy more cost-efficient mission where the benefits are enhanced by the available technology.
But like I said earlier, I'm very happy about this only because I'm happy about everything science!
Opportunity is over 8 years old and won't last forever.
Yes a wiki source!
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is a useless project and that we wait forever until the next Mars mission. Only that there is a economic/practical aspect that we have to consider.
From twitter:
In case you missed it earlier - Curiosity cost $2.5B. Americans spend $7B on potato chips annually. To say we can't afford this is nonsense.
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