For all of those who don't know what lucid dreaming is...it's basically a dream that you are aware within, you know you are dreaming. This enables you to interact on a new level with your dreams...such to the point where you can control them and imagine anything...and it will happen.
For more information on lucid dreaming follow this link.
So basically I had a lucid dream last night, I just got back from a week's trip up the coast for what we call 'Schoolies' in Australia. Basically I was a tired as hell after being drunk every night...and basically not getting any sleep. I went to sleep thinking of nothing...except that I knew I was very tired and would be dreaming soon.
Then all this weird shit happened...I imagined people coming into my room and trying to wake me up...some girls...some of my friends...basically I felt them shaking me. Then everything went crazy. I was pretty much immersed in this dream...but I knew it was a dream instinctively...because I knew that I was asleep...
It was insane...I thought that I'd always wanted to be a 'fly on the wall' so I just did that. I turned myself into a fly...or at least something very small and capable of flying...and I listened to people's conversations...
Another thing I did was set myself up as some 'uber psychic' when I just told people stuff about their lives which of course was my 'imagined' things about their lives and thus it became true.
I also created some kind of mansion in space...with instant transportation to earth. I have a crush on a girl...and I made it with her into a relationship. But I was pissed off on the spot because I knew it was a dream. But overall the experience gave me a huge kick...until my brother woke me up at 11pm to get his guitar from my room.
I've had lucid dreams before, and they were nothing special. I just basically knew I was asleep. But damn, whatever you drank all week, I want some. ^^
No, and I can only remember one dream I ever had, and even then it's just a faint image/impression. My brother says I talk a little in my sleep, but he's hardly a reliable source.
You can do funky shit with them. Like if you're planning on trying to have one make a list of what you would do once you enter one, such as flying, being invisible, conjuring up anything you want, teleporting etc.
lol, i've had them too. they really are special when they happen. Despite what people may say, you can teach yourself to have them all the time. http://www.dreamviews.com is a really good site for learning about them and getting them all the time. there are several techniques
I remember having a lucid dream(or if I think it is) where I was walking across the street and the streets were covered with dogs and cats running around, attacking, and some even pissing on each other. I realized the sheer ridiculous nature of my surrounding and I concluded that it was all a dream. So for the hell of it, I jumped in the air, flew around, killed the animals below me, went all the way to hollywood through some 3 second fixation, had sex with Jessica Alba and woke up. But the next dream I had was fucking nightmare, I imagined being locked up in with some smelly Indian people with knives and they were thrusting each other in the most disturbing of ways while at the same time I saw an Iraq terrorist head blow up. Sometimes I wonder if I'm coming down to a mental illness.
I had a lucid dream once, there are ways to train your mind to be able to have lucid dreams. Basically I could control the space around me and was able to fly. It's a great feeling. I recommend it to everyone.
I've only had it happen a couple times, and not for like 2 years. But they're awesome as hell, because you can feel everything, and do anything you want.
Lately all my regular dreams have been pornographic in nature... I think I really need to get laid soon.
I know I'm in a dream all the time. Yet my powers always SUCK. I guess I don't think I can do something so even when I say "BLAST OFF" I don't fly up into space.
I have them regularly although less lately cause I stopped my previous sleeping schedule, one that was really really suited for lucid dreaming. but I used to have more lucidity than not.
I've only had major ones twice (when i was quite young), and a minor ones occasionally that I wake up from like 5 seconds later.
My two experiences: I was in chinese school, realized it was a dream (becuase it was in a castle on a large cliff wtf) and started destroying all the papers i saw, causing havoc for the teachers, flipping over desks etc. Other one was where I was in some futuristic movie theatre and then once I realized I was dreaming, i started destroying all the popcorn stands etc.
I think I said it before in the other thread, but it's funny that given absolute power, my first reaction/instinct is to destroy everything I see.
i think i've had 3. 2 for sure. The first one i decided i wanted to fly and therefore did so, that was pleasurable. The second time i remembered i had already flown, and figured the next best thing was sex with a girl i had a crush on at school. Cant decide which one was better. Pretty nifty experience though. I think the 3rd was just one of the original 2 again. Wish i would have another, it's been like 10 years.
Supposedly there are things you can do to create lucid dreams. Like buy an audio tape that makes a certain noise a few hours into your sleep. You start off with it loud enough to wake you up completely, so you get used to recognizing the sound, and keep turning the volume down as the weeks go on. The premise is it becomes second nature to hear it even in your sleep when it's not loud enough to wake you, and poof, lucid dream time. Im just not willing to disturb my sleep every night for a couple of months to try it.
when i have dreams, i think to myself, "damn, this is a dream" but then it seems so real, so i doubt myself... i believe that it isnt a dream then i wake up,
Like 2 weeks ago for a whole week i had dreams where i could make choices in desicion. In some of them i realised i was sleeping, in some i didnt, but it really were amazing dreams.
"One of these uses for lucid dreams is called dreamscaping. Dreamscaping seems to encompass a number of things, one of which is sharing a dream with someone else—not simply having an identical dream, but rather, actually joining someone in a dream; it is sometimes also known as collective dreaming. I cannot say whether this is possible or not, but there are those who swear it is"
Oh man... Did you have this ? I do. I'm not sure if ,the person i had looked in front, just after the dream, was dreaming the same as i did. But he (she more precisely) really "changed" his attitude while looking at me. I swear : it wouldn't be the same attitude if i wasn't dreaming of this.
You must take a look at this site. Thank you Sith !
On December 03 2005 21:30 NewbSaibot wrote: i think i've had 3. 2 for sure. The first one i decided i wanted to fly and therefore did so, that was pleasurable. The second time i remembered i had already flown, and figured the next best thing was sex with a girl i had a crush on at school. Cant decide which one was better. Pretty nifty experience though. I think the 3rd was just one of the original 2 again. Wish i would have another, it's been like 10 years.
Supposedly there are things you can do to create lucid dreams. Like buy an audio tape that makes a certain noise a few hours into your sleep. You start off with it loud enough to wake you up completely, so you get used to recognizing the sound, and keep turning the volume down as the weeks go on. The premise is it becomes second nature to hear it even in your sleep when it's not loud enough to wake you, and poof, lucid dream time. Im just not willing to disturb my sleep every night for a couple of months to try it.
LOL that's an awesome trick except...
In real life I started playing that special noise and you jump off the cliff and died :p or start having random sex w/ someone saying "Aww cmon it's only a dream!" :D
You knows whats really crazy. When your having dreams like that while they may feel like they are lasting a long time in real life. They are really just a few seconds long.
On December 03 2005 23:53 InToTheWannaB wrote: You knows whats really crazy. When your having dreams like that while they may feel like they are lasting a long time in real life. They are really just a few seconds long.
hehe maybe your brain works 10 times faster so you actually experienced 10 times the contents of life than real time passing? :D
Anyways Sith's link is GODLY, try it out, I highly recommanded it. That forum is one of the best, good as TL(clean interface, warming welcome, daily updated forum and a well matured community) Only sucky thing is, you need to be 15+ of age :p
I also revisited friends I hadn't seen in years...like from childhood. The only hard part was imagining what they looked like. I'd be scared if they resembled anything like what I imagined they'd look like.
Weird seeing this thread about dreaming, because about 1 month ago I had a crazy dream that Smurg (whom I don't know, have never talked to) had been murdered. I don't even remember how he died or how I found out, but I just remember that the poster Smurg from TL.net had died and it was some crazy violent death, like head explosion, etc.
On the subject of dreaming, the other night I woke up gasping for breath and unable to breathe. Then just last week I started crying in my sleep. Full-fledged sobbing that woke me up. In that dream my grandmother was dying before my eyes, fading away, and she was saying, "Let all of it go mijo, let everything out," so I started to cry. Both times I woke up out of my dreams and woke my girlfriend up as well.
Fucking weird. . . Anyone have dreams like this? Lately my dreams are so wild.
Ahh, I remember I had one of these lucid dreams not too long ago.
I was dreaming that I was taking a piss in a public bathroom, and there was another row of stalls across from me, and a chick was peeing in them. I became aware of the dreamstate when I realized women don't pee in stalls. I began to try and control the dream, and I willed her to look up at me. She locked eyes with me and walked over to me. For whatever reason, there was a small penis hanging semi-limp from between her tits. Ahh, that's why she used a stall (I rationalized that this made sense in my dream, hahha). I ignored the penis and made her give me some head. It was really great, she used a favored technique experienced from 2 girlfriends ago, clearly the best dicksucker I'd ever dated.. I started to feel like I was approaching climax when I began to worry, what if I soak my sheets? I panicked and woke up. I was still aroused when I awoke and finished myself off rather quickly.
On December 03 2005 21:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: I had one when I actually wrote down my dreams for a week for a project. I started noticing I was able to realize I was dreaming and crap like that.
edit: a bit OT Something similar happened to me. I had to prepare a presentation about just anything, and I found a book about dreams and their meaning - not some crap book, I was quite good and scientific. That week was so weird for me, because on third day, I started to remember all dreams I had during all nights. Three dreams every night. I was able to do it, because I was thinking about dreams and what I just read in the book right before I went to sleep. I followed the advice from the book and spent every morning - first 2-3 minutes, immediatelly after I woke up, to analyze these dreams. The analysis was also quite simple. The explanatation that comes as first to your mind, is always the right one, and is caused by very strong associations you have with images you saw in the dream. A man's memory is strongly associative, which makes us unique and imho, almost impossible to create AI in next 200 years The result was, that I learned very much about myself. For example I was able to do much better decisions, I got rid of many feelings of anxiety and insecurity.
On December 04 2005 03:20 Yizuo wrote: I'd be happy to have normal dreams regulary.. Roughly every 4 month I dream somehing I can remember in the morning.
Actually you dream every night, you just never remember it. Read my last post, I was able to make myself remember my dreams.
Getting to thinking about lucid dreaming reminds me of another mind trick I've experienced. I'd really like to know if any of you can do this trick.
I can temporarily "dis-associate" from my surroundings while fully awake and walking around. I'm not sure if that is the right term, and I've never heard of anybody else doing it. I've been able to do it since I was very young. I begin to think in literal terms about the world around me, and I focus on the fact that I am able to touch things and hear things. I steady my breathing and focus on my perceptions, remaining aware that my perceptions are separate from the actual reality of my surroundings. I keep repeating in my mind that I could very well be in a dream, and I try to seperate my awareness from my senses. I think these thoughts over and over and pace around the room observing objects. Table. Chair. Counter. Red Sweater. After a while, my mind enters an altered state of awareness for what feels like 30 seconds. It's like a switch is thrown and I can't turn it off; it has to run its 30 seconds. During that time, I feel very surreal and can't help but to move my arms around a bit to take in the sensations. At this point, if someone tries to talk to me, I can't really process what they're saying. This disassociative state of mind makes me uncomfortable and anxious, and after a few moments and I'll usually attempt to go back to "normal" by sitting in a chair, openning the fridge, grabbing the counter. Just anything to re-associate my mind with my surroundings. But it always takes like 30 seconds to snap out of it. I can't usually do it more than once in a day.
That's the best way I can describe the event. Have you guys ever heard of that phenomonen? Or experienced it? It sounds crazy, but I'm not making it up. I've always been able to do it as long as I can remember.
And yeah, lucid dreaming is really fun.. I got into it a few months ago and now I'm getting better at it, I have at least one lucid dream a week and boy, they're fun. I lost count of how many I've had, must be somewhere around 50 now.. I think the coolest aspect of it is how real everything looks and feels while you know for a fact that it's all just a dream and that you control stuff..
Flying rocks, although I can't do it really fast.. It's more like being carried by the wind or something for me, but I can control where I'm flying to.. Walking through mirrors is cool, gives you this weird sensation and suddenly you're somewhere else.. crazy how mirrors function as some kind of teleporters in dreams. Just recently I've started trying telekinesis in my lucid dreams, I'm having a blast with that.. picking stuff up, floating it around and shooting it away just by moving my hand at it.
There's one thing I just can't seem to do, though, while others are capable of it.. using violence. Whenever I see dream characters walk around, I want to try and beat them up just for the hell of it, they're not real anyway.. but when I hit them, it's like it doesn't even phase them.. I feel the impact but they don't even budge, like they're made out of steel. When I try to circumvent this by making a gun appear, no bullets come out. :D So I just stand there looking like an idiot aiming a gun or a rifle at them but not firing and they just stare at me or go about their business like nothing's happening.
On December 04 2005 05:03 CorporalClegg wrote: I do believe there is a machine you can buy that enables you to recognize when you're dreaming while you're dreaming.
Yeah I read up about that...they are based on sounds that you listen to whilst awake...then you have the thing running while you're asleep and over time you'll learn to pick them up inside dreams.
I suck at going to sleep though...if I think about it...I just can't do it...or at least it'll take me ages. Yesterday was an exception because I was in one of the most tired states of my life. Tonight I'll try to do this: Go to sleep naturally...either by watching a movie on my computer and doze off...then immediately turn everything off and go to sleep faster...whilst thinking about dreaming and looking for differences.
Oh and Cow, I read on one of the lucid dreaming sites that if you are flying...if you want to try go faster and higher...imagine you are superman or something similar and that some kind of energy is created...or maybe try to imagine you have a jetpack or something. That'd be interesting...haha or alternatively imagine you are a shuttle from SC and you just got a speed upgrade. LAME! But it might work.
On December 04 2005 03:20 Yizuo wrote: I'd be happy to have normal dreams regulary.. Roughly every 4 month I dream somehing I can remember in the morning.
Actually you dream every night, you just never remember it. Read my last post, I was able to make myself remember my dreams.
Mhh, yeah, didn't thought it was possible to achieve this.. Well, I'll just try Ty
Yeah, I've been trying the Superman thing, that does go a bit faster and higher, I'll work on it. :D
And the machine CorporalClegg heard about was probably the Novadreamer or a similar device, it detects when your eyes go into REM-mode (signifying that you are dreaming) and starts emitting red lightflashes, not bright enough to wake you up but you do notice them in your dream so after a while they supposedly help a lot to achieve lucidity.
i dont think it was a lucid dream but i remember it vividly. i was following this girl (extremely hot, with a very, very short skirt) up the stairs(you know what that implies), we got in an elevator and she like jumped on me. it was a really hot dream till i was woken up. i was so pissed off, but when i went back to sleep, i had picked up exactly where i left off. an amazing dream ensued.
i am 14 lol. have any of you ever dreamt so real that you cannot seperate it from reality? i've had 2 dreams like that. one was one where i was very young and doing stuff with my neighboors who moved away. it was weird though because i didn't remember the dream until weeks afterwards and when i did i just accepted it as memory. i mentioned it to my mom and she was like "huh?" the other one this hot girl i know told me she liked me, and when i woke up for about 20 min i couldn't tell the dream from reality.
and i've noticed i never have nightmares....i just have unusal dreams that give me wierd feelings when i wake up. strange...yes...scarey....no
i could go on and on about all the dreams i've had
Yeah i had several dreams in wich i knew i was dreaming, (indeed they were more nightmare that dreams)... i could'nt really control what was happening in it, but i was trying to escape and awake, and i finally managed to wake up by taking a quick and deep breath...
While trying to escape my nightmares, i often try to speak and/or move, but i can't... in fact i think that i'm half awoke and sometimes people (in real life) tell me that i spoke and moved while sleeping, but it wasn't comprehensible. That's why i dont think dreams last just 1 sec(but we believe they are longer), i think they really last the time of the whole dream...
lol i had lucid dreams ALL the time(every dream) until i was about 10 then i stopped dreaming kinda. but id always dream of being like a superhero lol. goku and spiderman were the ones i remember... it was pretty sweet flying around, and shooting web from ur wrists onto buildings...
Also, i kind of had a lucid dream last night. I saw this hot asian chick, so i was like sweet i want to have sex with her. So we did it in the bathroom, then a fat guy walked in on us so i ran away and woke up.
I began taking a dream journal to help get into lucid dreaming. However, i've begun to notice i have a very odd dream pattern.
Rem sleep: "Although sleep may seem like a steady state, it actually consists of several stages that cycle throughout the night. The types of brain waves present at the time (based on amplitudes and frequencies) determine the stage of sleep. Only a brief introduction to the stages of sleep will be presented here because a thorough examination of them is beyond the scope of this site. Most importantly, lucid dreams occur in the 5th stage of sleep, known as the REM (Rapid Eye Moment) stage (note: REM is read as a word, not as each individual letter). As the name alludes to, the most profound discernible characteristic of REM sleep is the bursts of rapid eye movement while dreaming. Although dreaming occurs during the other stages of sleep, the most vivid dreaming occurs during the REM stage.
One complete sleep cycle lasts about 90 to 100 minutes; therefore during an average sleep period a person will experience 4 to 5 complete sleep cycles. The sleep cycle begins with four stages of SWS (Slow-Wave Sleep), also called NREM (Non-REM). Note that after the completion of the 4th stage, the 5th stage does not immediately begin; instead, the first 4 stages quickly reverse and are then immediately followed by a REM period. The first REM period will occur roughly 90 minutes after falling asleep; thus the first REM period will last only about 10 minutes, given the length of each sleep cycle being roughly 100 minutes. The length of the stages is not static, however: as the night proceeds, the length of stages 3 and 4 (also called delta or deep sleep) begins to wane, and the length of REM sleep increases, up to about one hour in length after a number of cycles. Therefore, as the night goes on, you dream for longer periods of time." http://www.dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php
However for me, if i dreamed during the night I don't remember it or it's a very small flash like i recall dancing, but thats it. I set my alarm clock for 7, but i'm tired from going to sleep @ 12 so i just roll over. Almost immediately i enter a dream. These dreams are really vivid, and when i wake up @ 8, i remember the dream completely. However, if its a saturady, i'll wake up and say " taht was a good dream", i'm gonna doze for a little longer. And the minute i start dozing, i enter into a dream that i also remember clearly when i wake up. This could go on until i have 3 dreams and they all occur each time after i wake up and go back to sleep. Is this normaL? / why is this happening?
Is it true that when you think of something for a long period of time before going to sleep, you'll dream about it? Because I went to kansas city and i had dreams about that place for 3 nights.
JUST HAD CRAZY LUCID DREAM. I was at school, and someone who wasn't my locker partener who was my locker partner need his text books got his text books, then this girl who was my friend wanted to see if she had her text books in my locker, no. Then i threw out 2 old sandwichs. Then i imagine people talking shit about me throwing food away but the food was fucking rancid. Then i think i miss something but im in my underwear at the local lake where there is a little beach, its kind of morphed but not really. People from school are there, and random people my mind just placed there. There was some guy tecktonic dancing. I only figured out i was in my underwear as i was leaving, i was like fucking wtf, just walked out tried to not draw attention. As i was trying to leave i was already on the road and i had that weird walk thing where you can't run in your dream and i was like FUCK IM DREAMING, so now i try to get laid. I try to just make it happened but that didn't work, school bell went and people where disappearing. There was only one girl left and some douchebad who i don't even think is real, but the girl is real. So i try to get laid and somehow it ends with me saying if i chug down tonic water i get to fuck her, yeah im a failure, but i swear i had that shit, then i wake up and pissed my pants. BUT GUESS WHAT I WAS STILL DREAMING, I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE FUCKING OMG I PISSED MY PANTS WHEN I WAS STILL DREAMING. oh man and in my dreams after i pissed my pants i got up from bed, and changed my clothing cleaned myself and started my xbox and started halo 3 up. Then i randomly awaken from my dream and im like WTF, I WAS STILL DREAMING? MOTHER FUCKER. COULD HAVE GOTTEN LAID IN MY DREAM
oh yeah and as i was leaving the lake on the swings where several girls i fucking remember vividly fucking bitches im going to kill them, and one of them even followed me, fuck and then thats when i try to run hence realizing it was a dream also when i dreamed i pissed myself when i walked to the washroom my fucking computer and computer desk where in the hallway, i guess since the first thing i usually did was start my computer my dream wanted to prevent me from going online tldr: 1. dream 2. realize im dreaming try to get laid. 3. wake up from my dream "while still in my dream" 4. wake up from dreaming i woke up from my dream. "awake now"
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: Because I know my life cannot be even that marginally better and I end up just sighing in my dreams saying "Goddamnit why can't this shit be real"
Aww me too.
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Hey I used to get falling dreams, but then one time I forced myself to stay awake until impact. I hit the ground and couldn't move for a second, but then I got up and was okay! And I never got them again! Conquer your fear!
man i've had some crazy lucid dreams, some of which i weren't totally in control of but you know, you just go with it.
One of the strangest ones was my vision was a news report set in the future - only perhaps 6-10 years or so, where a suicide craze has been going on for some reason. The news showed showed a person ready to kill themself and saying some last words or something and then there was a big thud at the door. Suddenly, i'm that person and i race to the door when a police guy barges in and shoots me in the chest.
I fall down and it's just me on the ground, slowly dieing for about 5 seconds...
Some lucid dreams i've had are fucking petrifying, being aware that you're in a dream yet frozen fucking solid because something behind you has a knife to your throat and telling you to be quiet and asking if you understand...i remember i tried to speak and just the feeling of utter scared shitlessness. I couldn't speak so i tried to nod, aaah my head and neck where like it had been frozen over
good times, nice to be able to feel such extreme emotions
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Hey I used to get falling dreams, but then one time I forced myself to stay awake until impact. I hit the ground and couldn't move for a second, but then I got up and was okay! And I never got them again! Conquer your fear!
i got falling dream once, didn't have a choice to stay until impact or not, when i hit the ground i woke up couldn't move my body in real life or nothing
On July 15 2009 02:35 ToT)OjKa( wrote: Some lucid dreams i've had are fucking petrifying, being aware that you're in a dream yet frozen fucking solid because something behind you has a knife to your throat and telling you to be quiet and asking if you understand...i remember i tried to speak and just the feeling of utter scared shitlessness. I couldn't speak so i tried to nod, aaah my head and neck where like it had been frozen over
good times, nice to be able to feel such extreme emotions
I have nuclear explosion dreams, black-hole-sucking-up-the-world dreams, massive earthquake dreams
Waking up from one of those dreams is one of the best feelings in the world. The terror inside the dream is just so real and the relief is just as intense.
Sometimes after drinking water before going to sleep i dream about peeing. Yesterday i dreamt the same thing, i was with some guy in my primary school, then i went to take a piss then suddenly im on another place of the same school, and then i say something like, 'wtf i gotta go again to piss but i just went like 10 seconds ago', then on the bathroom i saw odd stuff like girls pissing while standing up or whatever. I woke up right after with my bladder about to explode.
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: I think I have frequent lucid dreams
Because I know my life cannot be even that marginally better and I end up just sighing in my dreams saying "Goddamnit why can't this shit be real"
unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Me too my dreams are usually mad epic and I know it's a dream and I'm like nOOOOOO LEMME STAY LONGER. I can also fly by flapping my arms/doing pushups on the air. It's always fun until zombies come but my brain knows zombies = gg the world so I have to wake myself up cause they scare me too much.
I also remember that in all of my falling dreams or dreams that i was about to die as a kid i usually popped a menu like the one in Doom, and i used something like load game or quit game right before hitting the ground :3
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: I think I have frequent lucid dreams
Because I know my life cannot be even that marginally better and I end up just sighing in my dreams saying "Goddamnit why can't this shit be real"
unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Me too my dreams are usually mad epic and I know it's a dream and I'm like nOOOOOO LEMME STAY LONGER. I can also fly by flapping my arms/doing pushups on the air. It's always fun until zombies come but my brain knows zombies = gg the world so I have to wake myself up cause they scare me too much.
On July 15 2009 02:50 Cloud wrote: I also remember that in all of my falling dreams or dreams that i was about to die as a kid i usually popped a menu like the one in Doom, and i used something like load game or quit game right before hitting the ground :3
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Hey I used to get falling dreams, but then one time I forced myself to stay awake until impact. I hit the ground and couldn't move for a second, but then I got up and was okay! And I never got them again! Conquer your fear!
i got falling dream once, didn't have a choice to stay until impact or not, when i hit the ground i woke up couldn't move my body in real life or nothing
I was getting those almost every night when I was a kid except I could move when I woke up, also my heart was beating like crazy.
I've had a dream where I was in a gunfight with Dr. House inside a big mall, I kicked his trash. I used the Halo 1 pistol, it was pretty imbalanced so that's why I had it. He couldn't find me, so he started walking up to the escalator but I did a drop kick to his face, he still ruined the time paradox though. I should have thrown the grenades I had, but my brother was close by. But I still got to dropkick Hugh Lurie in the face.
A lot of the time when I wake up 2-3 hours before I actually have to. I go to sleep again but it's only half asleep it feels like. I start to dream and I'm aware that I'm dreaming but I have very little control of what's happening except for my own actions. Usually they end when something really bad happens or really great. When I'm fully conscious after waking up again the dreams felt so real that I often just lay in bed thinking "wtf did just happen?"
My first lucid dream was when I was probably about 5 or 6 years old. I was dreaming that my city was overrun by poop monsters. I was flying with my arms flapping like a bird looking down at my house with poop monsters coming out of the sewer. I flew down to the poop monsters and became trapped in a poop pit.
I had this dream 3 nights in a row and woke up after being caught in the poop pit each time. Also the world didn't look normal. Everything was like animation and moved at about what 10fps looks like in a video game. Very strange.
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: I think I have frequent lucid dreams
Because I know my life cannot be even that marginally better and I end up just sighing in my dreams saying "Goddamnit why can't this shit be real"
unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
On July 15 2009 03:16 LingKing wrote: Lucid dreams can be fun. But it's dissapointing when you know you're just dreaming, I usually wake myself up after i realize it.
Why be so concerned about reality, the thing that matters is what brain produces anyway. Anybody know what the explanation is on why humans perceive real as better? Please no fallacies like becouse real is real.
As for lucid dreaming. I almost never dream, and even if I do it is about mundane task that I did that day, but I am apathetic.
i've had a lucid dream where i was swimming at the bottom of a very very deep pool (~20ft) and started to run out of oxygen. I started gasping and discovered that i could breath under water. then i swam around and tried to explore lanks and ponds around where i live. It was awesome. i think the dream was influenced in part from the fact that i work as a lifeguard.
I have a lot of awesome dreams where I do really crazy stuff like fight aliens and so on and yet I can't seem to realize I'm actually dreaming. Surprisingly enough, I find myself thinking If I'm dreaming and I usually disprove it and realize I was dreaming only after I wake up.
On July 15 2009 04:27 Zurles wrote: every falling dream I've had was on the top of a ladder and i woke up from all the ones i remember as i hit the ground.
Yeah, I have a lot of falling dreams myself. Even if I usually wake up sweating and in an unsettling manner, I like falling dreams the most as I'm always amazed how real they feel, even if the sensation is just suggested by the brain.
On July 15 2009 02:26 MrHoon wrote: I think I have frequent lucid dreams
Because I know my life cannot be even that marginally better and I end up just sighing in my dreams saying "Goddamnit why can't this shit be real"
unless I'm falling off a cliff. God I hate that.
Me too my dreams are usually mad epic and I know it's a dream and I'm like nOOOOOO LEMME STAY LONGER. I can also fly by flapping my arms/doing pushups on the air. It's always fun until zombies come but my brain knows zombies = gg the world so I have to wake myself up cause they scare me too much.
Fucking zombies.
Hahaha whenever I dream I fly, I control it by doing breatstroke in the air in whatever direction I want to go in. XD
Once I had that "dream inside of another dream inside of another dream" thingy... I just kept "waking up" just to realise: "crap I'm still dreaming". When I finally woke up I wasn't sure if I was really in my room. Scary shit, took me like 30 minutes to get myself together.
I woke up when I realized I was dreaming the other night. I started giving the wrong phone number for my house address and then I was like shit this isn't right....seems like I'm dreaming...BAM awake.
I have lucid dreams every once in a while, although i haven't for a couple years. The last one i remember was watching a gigantic meteor fall toward the earth (armageddon style) and standing with a bunch of people. Then i realized i was dreaming and woke up.
On the last two pages I believe only 1 person actually described a lucid dream. Lucid dreams are where you can control your surroundings in a dream. You can think about something and make it appear at will. They aren't just vivid dreams. You are aware you are dreaming, and aware that by knowing this that you can change what you are dreaming about. From my personal experience, I do believe there are different levels of your awareness and your ability to manipulate the dream. Sometimes it comes easy, where I can simply think "I want to be [wherever]," and I'm suddenly there. Other times it requires me to focus really hard on what I want. For instance, to make an object appear in a less lucid dream, I often have to "feel" in in my hands (like a gun or something) before it becomes visible and "real." It must be that I have greater control over the touch sensation in a dream than the visual, and the visual section of my brain is influenced by the feel.
What's really weird is 'waking up' from a lucid dream into a non-lucid dream. Since the first dream was lucid, and I have a memory of it, the second will start with me waking up (out of bed or some other place lying down), and I will then think it's reality until I actually wake up out of the non-lucid dream. I also remember several dreams every night, so I don't know if that is related to a high frequency of lucid dreams. Most of my dreams are completely non-lucid, or with an awareness that it's a dream, but without any manipulation. When I go too quickly into a lucid state (gaining awareness that it's a dream and that I can change things), sometimes it wakes me up.
I also used to experience sleep paralysis (which is like the opposite of a lucid dream in a way), so I don't know if the two are related. Lucid dreams are usually great, but sleep paralysis is like the worst psychological torture ever, especially if it lasts for what seems like hours.
Sleep paralysis is the scariest shit ever, had it happen to me once whilst in a car journey, bad experience especially because my head was on a seat and it was bumpy journey!
Lucid dreaming is amazing if an effective technique is learnt to trigger it. I once read how you should always draw something (eg an eye) on the back of your hand in real life, so when you see it you will think to yourself 'Oh yea I'm in real life'. However once you're in a dream and realize you don't have this 'eye' on the back of your hand, this connection can trigger yourself into lucidly dreaming.
I also read up some girls lucidly dream to experience orgasms, It was scientifically experimented. xD
Ive always been able to tell that im dreaming, however ive never been able to control them. Guess ill have to try some of these techniques, sounds badass lol
On July 15 2009 08:05 Reno(TE) wrote: Sleep paralysis is the scariest shit ever, had it happen to me once whilst in a car journey, bad experience especially because my head was on a seat and it was bumpy journey!
Lucid dreaming is amazing if an effective technique is learnt to trigger it. I once read how you should always draw something (eg an eye) on the back of your hand in real life, so when you see it you will think to yourself 'Oh yea I'm in real life'. However once you're in a dream and realize you don't have this 'eye' on the back of your hand, this connection can trigger yourself into lucidly dreaming.
I also read up some girls lucidly dream to experience orgasms, It was scientifically experimented. xD
Does that include other people having lucid dreams to satisfy their sexual fantasies? That's just screwed up.
So I had this once. It was frosh year and I woke up in my single room in the Quad. I brushed my teeth, washed my face, did my hair, got dressed, and then opened my door to go out. That's when I noticed something was wrong. The hallway had transformed into a battleground. There was blood smeared on the walls, lights were flickering, and trash was everywhere. The lounge in front of my room was a wreck. It looked like something out of a zombie movie - I had slept through an Apocalypse!
But zombie stories aren't real. So this is where I realized I was dreaming... But amazingly I did not wake up even after the realization like I usually do! I had read about lucid dreaming before and this is when I got all super excited. I was lucid dreaming! I could create my own dream! So I got all excited and went back into my room (the hallway was still scary). I wanted to test it by flying! FLYING! I always wanted to fly. But I looked up and realized a roof was above me, so I ran over to my window and opened it. Then I took a step back and was just about to jump through the window when an idea hit me:
WHAT IF I'M NOT DREAMING?!
What if I'm just like really tired and delirious instead of actually dreaming? Then I'd just be jumping out of my third story window head first like an idiot. While I was contemplating this quite distrubing thought, I woke up.
Yeah. I didn't get to fly, have x-ray vision, be a pro soccer player, or whatever. Instead, I was just in my room too afraid to jump. lol. Much like how the wise Shia said in Transformers, ("Fifty years from now, when you look back at your life, don't you want to say you had the guts to get in the car?") to this day, I want to say I had to guts to jump. Oh well.
I usually wake up when I realize that I am dreaming as I assume most people do. Sometimes I can fall back asleep and go to the same dream though, that's awesome. Other times I feel bad because I have a dream about a girl and then I wake up and realize it was just a dream.
I can force myself to continue a dream from a previous date by just thinking about it a lot, but I can't force myself to know I'm in a dream and then continue dreaming. That or I haven't tried it yet. Yeah I've had one dream where I was ruler of the world and I was trying to improve the world and shit. The dream progressed over the course of months. Eventually I came to an ending to that dream and I repeated that one many many times until I stopped dreaming about it.
Shit I don't want to know I'm in a dream. That would ruin the dream for me. I can still do all kinds of cool shit, fly, fight everything. It would suck knowing that I'd wake up and no longer be able to do it.
Wait I think I have had lucid dreams. I think to myself, boy it sure would be great to have this laser cannon on my arm, and then I realize that I don't and it's a dream, and then I put a cannon on my arm. But then I think I forget that I realized that I was in a dream.
Man dreams are an amazing source of entertainment, probably the best kind there is (if you include wet ones)(though the clean-up not so much). I'm gonna try to keep a dream diary again. Thanks for this thread!
I use to try to recite my dreams to myself everytime I woke up, first thing i do. It's a really messy thing, but somehow I'm able to be in a lot more control of my dreams ever since. I dont know if its true lucid dreaming, I am usually completely aware that I'm dreaming even though I don't really want to force things to happen, I'm always conscious of my actions but the setting always changes. I love dreaming realizing Im dreaming doesn't really do anything other than make it more pleasurable, I never really have anything unwanted happen in dreams ever since I started realizing. I don't really true lucid dreaming, but just my experiences.
Yeah I don't think lucid dreaming is that much more pleasurable.
There have been a few occasions where I've had that sleep paralysis people described earlier in this thread. That scares the shit out of me, even though its usually only for a few seconds.
As a kid I used to be completely "awake" during over half my dreams, and I just ended up using them as some "time" to sit around and reflect about my day because it became so frequent.
i have sleep paralysis on a frequent basis maybe once or twice a month. and my god it was so trippy at first because once i realized it i try to get up and i walk around my room then all of a sudden im back in bed still paralyzed. then all of a sudden this deafening noise comes into your ears and it was terrifying. but after it happens too many times i got used to it and look forward to it because thats when i could control my dream. anything i wanted to dream about i just think about it while paralyzed and i would dream about it. trippy as fuck.
i remember my last one where i drove any car i wanted on the freeway. i would just pull off the exit and think about the next car i wanted to drive it was there in the parking lot with the doors unlocked and it just magically starts.
I admit im like the "Boxer" of lucid dreaming, i can do almost anything i want : | there are no limitations, just use your imagination, though sometimes my "powers" fail me ,like last night i got eaten by zombies lol and funny thing is your mind recreates the pain, you feel discomfort.
On July 26 2010 11:41 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Yeah I don't think lucid dreaming is that much more pleasurable.
There have been a few occasions where I've had that sleep paralysis people described earlier in this thread. That scares the shit out of me, even though its usually only for a few seconds.
though sleep paralysis is a great way to induce lucid dreams and do other kind of funky stuff.
Speaking of lucid dreaming, You'll all love this. A new study came out like 6 months ago, I'll search for it more but I can't seem to find it, but the gist of it that's interesting was this.
People who play video games are more able and likely to control their dreams, as it gives you a relative grip on a "interactive" world that you become part of, just on a whole 'nother scale.
It made me think if the reason why people just watch their dreams is from the conditioning that tv does, where you can just watch and wait, but who knows.
On July 26 2010 12:27 ImFromPortugal wrote: I admit im like the "Boxer" of lucid dreaming, i can do almost anything i want : | there are no limitations, just use your imagination, though sometimes my "powers" fail me ,like last night i got eaten by zombies lol and funny thing is your mind recreates the pain, you feel discomfort.
I know, lol it is uncomfortable But usually I'm like, "its a dream it shouldn't hurt THAT badly, so it ends up like a bunch of pinches and then usually my dream transitions to something entirely or I continue by talking to the zombies cuz I'm a zombie now or I'm a intelligent zombie and I go back to where I was with mah human group and be like rawr I can help ju all cuz now I'm ub3r
I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but lucid dreaming is a neurological impossibility. You can be aware of what you're dreaming when you wake up at the right time in the r.e.m.-cycle, but you can never control what you are dreaming while asleep. The only thing I could imagine being somewhat similar to "controlling your dreams" is phantazising, which can maybe be called daydreaming, but while you are asleep, you can't control your dreams.
There have been lot's of studies on this subject and they've shown, to my knowledge, pretty conclusively that LD's are not possible. Dreams are subconscious and you cannot control your subconsciousness, that's the whole premise of the subconsciousness.
The whole thing about LD's is more or less pseudoscience by people who think they can reach a higher state of mind in their dreams, but theres just no neurological evidence on that afaik.
Personally, I'm very fascinated by dreams and they can surely open up interpretational possibilities for psychoanalysis, but that's a whole other topic...
On July 26 2010 15:57 kickinhead wrote: I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but lucid dreaming is a neurological impossibility. You can be aware of what you're dreaming when you wake up at the right time in the r.e.m.-cycle, but you can never control what you are dreaming while asleep. The only thing I could imagine being somewhat similar to "controlling your dreams" is phantazising, which can maybe be called daydreaming, but while you are asleep, you can't control your dreams.
There have been lot's of studies on this subject and they've shown, to my knowledge, pretty conclusively that LD's are not possible. Dreams are subconscious and you cannot control your subconsciousness, that's the whole premise of the subconsciousness.
The whole thing about LD's is more or less pseudoscience by people who think they can reach a higher state of mind in their dreams, but theres just no neurological evidence on that afaik.
Personally, I'm very fascinated by dreams and they can surely open up interpretational possibilities for psychoanalysis, but that's a whole other topic...
lucidity during dreams has been scientifically proven.
On July 26 2010 15:57 kickinhead wrote: I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but lucid dreaming is a neurological impossibility. You can be aware of what you're dreaming when you wake up at the right time in the r.e.m.-cycle, but you can never control what you are dreaming while asleep. The only thing I could imagine being somewhat similar to "controlling your dreams" is phantazising, which can maybe be called daydreaming, but while you are asleep, you can't control your dreams.
There have been lot's of studies on this subject and they've shown, to my knowledge, pretty conclusively that LD's are not possible. Dreams are subconscious and you cannot control your subconsciousness, that's the whole premise of the subconsciousness.
The whole thing about LD's is more or less pseudoscience by people who think they can reach a higher state of mind in their dreams, but theres just no neurological evidence on that afaik.
Personally, I'm very fascinated by dreams and they can surely open up interpretational possibilities for psychoanalysis, but that's a whole other topic...
lucidity during dreams has been scientifically proven.
I'd be very interested in seeing this study and knowing what they call "lucidity" exactly in this context. I don't say you can't be aware of what you've dreamt, but I do think that it's not possible to control what you're dreaming.
I'm not saying that I couldn't be wrong, but I am a person that doesn't just believe what I've read or heard somewhere and ignore scientific studies that seem plausible to me and because I'm actually interested in this subject, I'd really like to know more about it.
I'm aware of the fact that there have been studies on lucid dreaming that seem to prove it's possible, but I've heard an read newer studies that show different.
On July 26 2010 15:57 kickinhead wrote: I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but lucid dreaming is a neurological impossibility. You can be aware of what you're dreaming when you wake up at the right time in the r.e.m.-cycle, but you can never control what you are dreaming while asleep. The only thing I could imagine being somewhat similar to "controlling your dreams" is phantazising, which can maybe be called daydreaming, but while you are asleep, you can't control your dreams.
There have been lot's of studies on this subject and they've shown, to my knowledge, pretty conclusively that LD's are not possible. Dreams are subconscious and you cannot control your subconsciousness, that's the whole premise of the subconsciousness.
The whole thing about LD's is more or less pseudoscience by people who think they can reach a higher state of mind in their dreams, but theres just no neurological evidence on that afaik.
Personally, I'm very fascinated by dreams and they can surely open up interpretational possibilities for psychoanalysis, but that's a whole other topic...
lucidity during dreams has been scientifically proven.
I'd be very interested in seeing this study and knowing what they call "lucidity" exactly in this context. I don't say you can't be aware of what you've dreamt, but I do think that it's not possible to control what you're dreaming.
I'm not saying that I couldn't be wrong, but I am a person that doesn't just believe what I've read or heard somewhere and ignore scientific studies that seem plausible to me and because I'm actually interested in this subject, I'd really like to know more about it.
I'm aware of the fact that there have been studies on lucid dreaming that seem to prove it's possible, but I've heard an read newer studies that show different.
This work on lucid dreaming really took off among dream researchers. The initial verification of the possibility of knowing you are dreaming while you are dreaming is primarily due to my colleague Steven LaBerge. By now his work has been replicated in several sleep laboratories. I think we can say with reasonable certainty that you can be "awake" in some sense while you're asleep.
This is how it has been proven. When you're in REM sleep remember you're paralyzed from the neck down. The task was to come up with a way to signal to the polysongrapher, "Hey, I know I'm dreaming". You can not hit a micro switch or kick your leg because of this paralysis. But it turns out that you do have control of your eye movements. That is, while in a dream if you think, "I'm going to move my eyes way to the right and then way to the left" and then your dream self does it with his/her dream eyes, that's what really happens to the dreamers physical eyes. Faberge devised a technique at exactly the same time as Keith Hearne in England, totally unbeknownst to each other, where people could signal when they realized they were dreaming. The signal to the sleep lab technician through electrodes attached to the corners of the eyes was a prearranged set of eye movements. Then the technician would wake them up and ask "what was going on before I awoke you?" If dreamer knew they were dreaming and had signaled they would want to know if the technician got the signal?
For instance in Figure 4, there are five signals from LaBerge's laboratory. He writes about this figure: "This is from the last eight minutes of a thirty minute REM period. Upon awakening the subject reported having made five eye movement signals. The first signal at one -- left-right, marked the onset of lucidity. . . . During the following ninety seconds, the subject flew about exploring his dream world until he believed he had awakened, at which point he made the signal for awakening, at number two, which is four movements of left-right, left-right. After another ninety seconds the subject realized he was still dreaming and signaled at three with three pairs of eye movements. Realizing this was too many, he correctly signaled with two pairs at number four. Finally, upon awakening a hundred seconds later, he signaled appropriately with again four movements of left-right, left-right." You can see that you don't need to be a trained polysonographer to recognize the signals. They jump out at you. They're not ambiguous. And they exactly fit the dream transcript describing the felt experience of the dream.
On July 26 2010 15:57 kickinhead wrote: I'm sorry to burst a bubble here, but lucid dreaming is a neurological impossibility. You can be aware of what you're dreaming when you wake up at the right time in the r.e.m.-cycle, but you can never control what you are dreaming while asleep. The only thing I could imagine being somewhat similar to "controlling your dreams" is phantazising, which can maybe be called daydreaming, but while you are asleep, you can't control your dreams.
There have been lot's of studies on this subject and they've shown, to my knowledge, pretty conclusively that LD's are not possible. Dreams are subconscious and you cannot control your subconsciousness, that's the whole premise of the subconsciousness.
The whole thing about LD's is more or less pseudoscience by people who think they can reach a higher state of mind in their dreams, but theres just no neurological evidence on that afaik.
Personally, I'm very fascinated by dreams and they can surely open up interpretational possibilities for psychoanalysis, but that's a whole other topic...
Lucid Dreaming has been conclusively proven to be achievable by both Stanford University and the University of Liverpool in quantifiable / empirical tests.
The brain is actually almost as active during REM cycles as it is during waking hours, which is why sleep paralysis is necessary. If your body wasn't paralysed, you would flail around in your sleep.
A level of conciousness within REM sleep is not only possible, but fairly side spread and similarly well documented.
Yep lucid dreams are very very common in hardcore gamers (Not that others cant get them) especially players who play games very competitively. These players (Myself included) have heightened brain function and are more capable of controlling their emotions. I regularly have lucid dreams. There is actually a study done by a doctor who currently teaches at Grant Mcewan University, and party time at the UofA (Or UofE) on this exact gamer + lucid dream theory. She did a study that showed that video games actually promote this brain function (duh) and that this is one of the side effects.
Many nights A week I find myself able to manipulate everything in my dream, i`m completely aware of my surroundings in the dream and I make my own decisions. I think things up while im in the dream and also have no trouble remembering it in the morning. Its pretty freaking awesome. After finding out this ability myself, I practice doing this, the ability to control and manipulate my thoughts while i`m asleep is really quite fun.
Last night I had this nightmare where it was SO REAL that I didn't even think that I was dreaming, and the situation was that my school got really rich and renovated everything into like a super school and I couldn't find my classes cuz the school was out of whack. Messed up dream, no?
I've been looking for some studies myself and it looks like lucid dreaming is possible, but I've not yet come across a definition that comprised the part of "being able to control the dreams".
Like I've written above - I've read and heard that you can be aware of the fact that you're dreaming, which seems to be called "lucid dreaming" in the few studies I've looked across just today, but not that you can control what you dream.
Maybe I'm mixing sth up or base my knowledge on flawed studies, but I was pretty certain that I've read in a psychological study that you can't control what you dream.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not the type of person that just says sth. and believes in it even if conclusive evidence shows different, so I'd very much appreciate if someone could point out some studies that show that "lucid dreaming" isn't just being aware of the fact that you dream but also allows you to control what you dream.
Thanks in advance.
*Edit:
here are the definitions of Lucid Dreaming I've come across in the studies I've read today: (pardon me for not citing in the proper scientific way, but I dno't think anyone will mind me not meeting the APA-standards...)
"Lucid dreaming, the experience of dreaming and simultaneously being aware that one is dreaming is an easily learned technique that may provide effective and dramatic relief" [THE NIGHTMARE OF RETURNING HOME - A CASE OF ACUTE ONSET NIGHTMARE DISORDER TREATED BY LUCID DREAMING, Source: ISRAEL JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY AND RELATED SCIENCES Volume: 32 Issue: 2 Pages: 140-145 Published: 1995 ]
Lucid dreaming: Another dissociation along the “A” axis of the AIM cube may arise during lucid dreaming. Under normal circumstances, dreamers believe themselves to be awake – but occasionally individuals become aware that they are dreaming. In this state of “lucid dreaming” (Laberge 1990; 1992) waking insight combines with dream hallucinosis in an intriguing and informative dissociation. [Dreaming and the brain: Toward a cognitive neuroscience of conscious states, BEHAVIORAL AND BRAIN SCIENCES (2000) 23:6]
Lucid dreaming occurs when a sleeping subject becomes aware of being in a dream, and, without waking up, maintains this awareness. [INDIVIDUAL-DIFFERENCES IN LOCUS OF CONTROL AND THE REPORTING OF LUCID DREAMING, Source: PERSONALITY AND INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES Volume: 16 Issue: 6 Pages: 981-984 Published: JUN 1994 ]
Kickinhead, look up Jayne Gackenbach`s work. she`s an experimental psycologist who has worked on altered state of consciousness in many years. You can indeed control your dreams,i ve done it plenty of times. I find myself knowing im dreaming, knowing the situation im in and consciously manipulating things around me. This psycologist has written many books and recently focuses on the internet and dreams. I personally was very interested in her work when I found out I was able to manipulate my sleeps so consciously.
On July 26 2010 16:39 kickinhead wrote: I've been looking for some studies myself and it looks like lucid dreaming is possible, but I've not yet come across a definition that comprised the part of "being able to control the dreams".
Like I've written above - I've read and heard that you can be aware of the fact that you're dreaming, which seems to be called "lucid dreaming" in the few studies I've looked across just today, but not that you can control what you dream.
Maybe I'm mixing sth up or base my knowledge on flawed studies, but I was pretty certain that I've read in a psychological study that you can't control what you dream.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not the type of person that just says sth. and believes in it even if conclusive evidence shows different, so I'd very much appreciate if someone could point out some studies that show that "lucid dreaming" isn't just being aware of the fact that you dream but also allows you to control what you dream.
Thanks in advance.
Why dont you just learn how to do it and prove it to yourself. Anyone can.. It would be more conclusive than any study you can find.
It's very easy for me to lucid dream with my lifestyle. I sleep around 12 hours because I stay awake for so long and unnatural hours. After about 9 hours I should be getting up and I know this but for the next few hours in a semi awake state I pretty much dream and imagine what I want. It normally does happen when you body is most exhausted.
Also if i'm thinking about something when i'm trying to sleep then that's normally what I do dream about.
On July 26 2010 16:39 kickinhead wrote: I've been looking for some studies myself and it looks like lucid dreaming is possible, but I've not yet come across a definition that comprised the part of "being able to control the dreams".
Like I've written above - I've read and heard that you can be aware of the fact that you're dreaming, which seems to be called "lucid dreaming" in the few studies I've looked across just today, but not that you can control what you dream.
Maybe I'm mixing sth up or base my knowledge on flawed studies, but I was pretty certain that I've read in a psychological study that you can't control what you dream.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not the type of person that just says sth. and believes in it even if conclusive evidence shows different, so I'd very much appreciate if someone could point out some studies that show that "lucid dreaming" isn't just being aware of the fact that you dream but also allows you to control what you dream.
Thanks in advance.
Why dont you just learn how to do it and prove it to yourself. Anyone can.. It would be more conclusive than any study you can find.
Well, If I try to learn stuff like that, I can also go on the internetz and read some pseudoscientific article on how I can learn to fly or control the weather or sth.
I'm just sayin' that theres lot's of weird stuff on the internet, so I'd rather read it from a source I trust in, which is, in my case, a scientific one. ^^'
But I'll look into the articles by the person suggested above, but as written in my last post, the definitions I've read didn't contain anything about controlling your dreams, so I'm not yet satisfied, but I'll keep on looking into it for sure.
@Phayze: I've tried finding recent articles by J. Gackenbach and realized that her most recent studies about Lucid Dreaming where from the late 80's or early 90's, have not been cited ONCE and she didn't even use the term "Lucid Dreaming" until it was primed by Stephen Laberge in the 90's. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a hold of the articles myself, but seeing that they are pretty outdated, I won't try to change that TBH.
I've definitely been able to control dreams. I still distinctly remember one dream from when I was a kid. I was pushed out of an airplane and was about to land in a volcano. I remember being scared shitless I was going to die, until I landed inside the volcano and it was really cold. I thought "this is weird, why is this cold?" Then I looked around me, and the lava was actually Jello. Everyone in my school was in the volcano with me, swimming around, throwing in essence a "Jello Party." At that moment I realized I was dreaming, figured I could do anything I want, jumped out of the volcano (because now I could fly) and swam deep into the ocean, because I knew I could now breathe underwater. I was in 6th grade, and as puberty was kicking in, I decided to turn it into a sex dream where I was having sex with some really hot woman. Every single lucid dream I've had since then I've turned into a sex dream... haha. I guess that's the best I can think of when I think of "anything I want."
As a kid I had this recurring dream of wanting to fly but only managing to slowly hover over the ground. I dreamt this maybe 10 times and I was allways aware that I was dreaming. One day I actually pushed myself into full flight and that was the greatest feeling. I could create any environment I wanted and fly through it. It was awesome.
On July 26 2010 17:09 StarBrift wrote: As a kid I had this recurring dream of wanting to fly but only managing to slowly hover over the ground. I dreamt this maybe 10 times and I was allways aware that I was dreaming. One day I actually pushed myself into full flight and that was the greatest feeling. I could create any environment I wanted and fly through it. It was awesome.
lol exactly the same! sometimes I could float a little higher above the ground, but then I would come back down again. it basically was like jumping around on the moon. I would also fall down the stairs or something but super slowly like I was hanging on to a balloon or something.
Im having troubles with Sleep paralysis. You tend to hallucinate sometimes with your eyes open, its a little like lucid dreaming but way more cool! fo realz.
Na, its actually a very uncomfortable situation to be in..
On July 26 2010 19:27 ICanFlyLow wrote: Im having troubles with Sleep paralysis. You tend to hallucinate sometimes with your eyes open, its a little like lucid dreaming but way more cool! fo realz.
Na, its actually a very uncomfortable situation to be in ._.
I recommend closing your eyes.
Hallucination is much more pleasant when you're not seeing weird shit in the shadows above your head.
I had those earlier, but it seems as I got older it's harder for me to realize I'm dreaming. I usually wake up with no dreams remembered each day. Sometimes when I'm at the verge of waking though, I can dream and know it's a dream. But then it's more a "light dream" so it's not as great as this really solid dreaming you have when you're really in deep sleep
@kickinhead:
I'm pretty sure I did control some of my dreams already, so it's not a study but empirical evidence you got here
Lucid dreaming only happened to me a few time. But even if I know that i am dreaming, I only make minor changes to the dream. I actually remember a dream where i said to myself "This girl would be better looking if blonde" and changed her hair color :p.
Also, one night where i had to wake up early, I went like " Oh Crap, I have a plane to take, time to stop dreaming" in the middle of my dream and woke up like 1 min before my alarm clock began to ring :D. I found this pretty handy :p
Speaking of dreams, I noticed that i almost always wake up before dreaming. For example i wake up at 6am, then fall asleep again , dream, then wake up at 7.I hope knowing this can make it easier to have lucid dream :p
On July 26 2010 20:12 Tyrran wrote: Lucid dreaming only happened to me a few time. But even if I know that i am dreaming, I only make minor changes to the dream. I actually remember a dream where i said to myself "This girl would be better looking if blonde" and changed her hair color :p.
Also, one night where i had to wake up early, I went like " Oh Crap, I have a plane to take, time to stop dreaming" in the middle of my dream and woke up like 1 min before my alarm clock began to ring :D. I found this pretty handy :p
Speaking of dreams, I noticed that i almost always wake up before dreaming. For example i wake up at 6am, then fall asleep again , dream, then wake up at 7.I hope knowing this can make it easier to have lucid dream :p
I seem to have a knack as well for waking up within ~2 minutes of my alarm going off when it's set to go off really early, like 5 AM and before. Gives you that "whoa!" feeling when you wake up.
I've experienced lucid dreaming quite alot in the past, although sadly not recently.
Usually it will happen that I become aware during a dream that I am in fact dreaming, and then I would always try to manipulate it. For some reason I typically ended up trying to fly or perform super human fears and waking up from the experience was amazing. I somewhat wish I would have ignored flight and instead just enacted decadent sexual fantasies on a slew of famous//beautiful girls but I never had that level of clear thought or control
Also have woken myself up from scary dreams before by attempting to "open my eyes" even though in the dream they are open, think has happened 3 times and it's always worked.
2 weeks ago I had my first amazing lucid dream. I had never believed it to be possible seeing how my dreams were always very anti-climactic and even then I was mostly aware and somewhat bored of the fact that I was dreaming. However, recently I was prescribed a medicine notorious for incredibly vivid dreams..
In my dream everything was amazingly clear. I could see detail. It was as if my eyes were open. I focused on everything I could. I was able to fly like most people who try to control their dreams lol. I went to Disneyland in Florida, and I saw this hot girl with the biggest of breastessess haha. I had actually flew to her and grabbed one. It felt like I could actually feel it to which I was disgusted because the only breasts I knew in my immediate vicinity (back IRL) were that of my sisters or mother. I immediately woke up and realized it was just my imagination - the feeling - but I was too concerned / disgusted by the possibility. I still feel kinda like a perv that i did that in my dream lol.. later on I flew up to space somehow managed to get into a spaceship where the latch broke off and I woke up incredibly startled gasping for air. more stuff happened but those were some of the stuff i remember off the top of my head (i wrote it down somewhere around here)
It was incredible. The next day I looked up lucid dreams all day, and explained to everyone the details. Unfortunately I haven't had once since, but I still remember to this day that life-changing experience. Kind of makes me want to see Inception even more. Seems like it deals with lucid dreaming alot.
Me and my friend that i know from BW we talk about this and i decide get a try. So in past week i already 3 lucid dreams and i have to say is great. One of the 3 lucid dreams i dream with day[9] and some girl was kinda funny :D
kickinhead: It's rather difficult to find scientific articles on the internet. The same problem you mention arises, you may get 'scientific' articles from sources that are not very reputable, and mostly, you just find summaries. Then again, as far as I can work out, none of the studies you name seem to mention anything about lucid dreaming being uncontrollable. And forgive me for being a bit blunt, but "I was sure I read it in a study somewhere" doesn't really hold up to the scientific standard either.
While studies on this particular subject are lacking, there's several well-established things that indicate people have at least, control over their dream bodies. Eye-signals were used to determine whether people were having a lucid dream, and also studies using breathing have been conducted. These would have been impossible if the dreamers would not have been able to influence anything. Also, lucid dreaming is used as a treatment for nightmares, but it would be a rather poor treatment if it would only make people aware of the nightmare but didn't allow them to change anything.
The only study dealing explicitly with control that I could find quickly is here. It's far from perfect. While LaBerge's name is associated with the study, and he at least has a PhD in a related field from Stanford, 'The Lucidity Institute' doesn't make for a reputable source. But it might make for an interesting read if you want to learn more.
Iv had lucid dreams before when your alarm shrills you awake, but you want to continue sleeping so you turn off the alarm and plop back to sleep, but you aren't completely asleep and just lie there mostly dead.
I never wanted to fly though or do some crazy superhuman stuff. I always dream myself of being with the person I care about the most, beeecause....why not =P Haha
I've had a few lucid dreams over the years, so I know it exists.
You know those things in our society that are completely unacceptable ? In the latest lucid dream I took advantage of it and tried doing some things to people because I know I would never do it in real life (At least I don't see myself doing it). I'll just say it was a good experience, because everything feels 100% real, although what I did there, I'll keep it to myself.
Also, I read there that rubbing hands and spinning your body can make it last longer ? I hope I remember to do that next time I have a lucid dream.
i have a lot of these dreams. some times i forced to myself to wake up when them became in nightmares. but i dislike when things dont act like i want. i remember that i have weapons like guns, automatics, etc and the next second they became toys and i couldnt make them work again, or i can fly and next i cant T_T
Apparantly there are lots of techniques for having lucid dreams.
The closest thing I ever got was realising, while dreaming, that "hey, this doesn't make sense! This isn't real!" but never followed that train of thought any further and realising it was a dream. It was a good dream so I kinda went like "so, this isn't real. Let's just enjoy it while it lasts then and not ask too many questions in the meantime."
Okay, i didnt read the whole thread but concerning the "trying to have a lucid dream" thing, there are a few things you can do over the day that will help you turn a normal dream into a lucid dream.
Here are two of the excercises you can do over the day: Look at your hands and count your fingers; Make absolutely sure you have 5 on each hand (unless you lost some or whatever) then when you go to sleep you may continue this behaviour. When you see you dont have the correct amount of fingers you usually get aware of you being in a dream.
The second excercise is monitoring your watch closely. Do it as often as possible over the day so once you get to sleep you once again continue with this behaviour. When you look at a watch in a dream, look away and at the watch again. If it is a dream the clock (if it is analog) might not have the correct amount of arms(?) or will display a totally different time than before. This once again might trigger getting your dream into a lucid state.
As for my own experiences: Pretty much the usual. Be the places i want (what i imagine them to look like), fly around, matrix style highway chases against the flow of traffic, making out with hot chicks, bla bla bla. A friend of mine asked if i could make the universe explode with me watching, but that was quite a while ago and im not sure if i can make it happen, im usually too excited that im in a lucid dream to remember this scenario ;P
anyways lucid dreams are awesome, its like "hacking the matrix" to change the world to whatever you want, but not only that, you can also make things happen with other people in your dreams: e.g. making out with the chick you have a crush on etc.
You can lucid dream without even knowing it. Since you have multiple dreams a night, but don't recall dreams everyday. The most important thing to practice is dream recall. Probably the hardest part. Google it. Then you can start practicing lucid dream. Lot of stuff. In this field hasn't been researched in detail so fine out as much as you can and figure out what works for you.
I used to lucid dream consistently for over a year or so until I slipped up and couldn't maintain the consistent lifestyle. (Late night partying and crammin for exams can really screw things around)
When you first succeed intentionally. Its probably gonna be mixed bag of results. I personally had problem not being able to stand up for longtime. Its probably cause when you become lucid, your mind is being tied to baggages of 'reality' (in reality I'm lying down sleeping) as a result you probably won't be able to do everything at will. You flying might feel. More like low gravity and trying to conjure up something might not work at all. But just. Roll with it and eventually you'll get it down with enough experience.
Also, speaking frankly, most ppl will probably spend time having crazy fantasy sex during their first lucid experience. But its a waste of time compared to the shit you can't even do in reality... like flying freely... no less even comprehend what you've done while dreaming, as you get better you'll probably spend more time on things like that.
A flatmate of mine in Uni had a younger brother who was about 12 years old and all he wanted to do was sleep and didn't bother or care to have interaction with anyone.
When he was like 9 years old, he was able to control his dreams quite regularly and by the time he was about 12 he just wanted to have a chance to go to sleep.
So they took him to a psychiatrist for therapy, I have no idea how it turned out, but I reckon if you could lucid dream whenever you wanted, sleep would be great.
The longest and first lucid dream I had was I think for 20 mins or so, and of course, you fly (why it is always flying) and after that every time I realized that this was a lucid dream, I'd wake up very shortly afterwards, maybe 1 min afterwards. I think when I was like 28 or so, I had these lucid dreams, then no more for the last 8 years. But the best lucid dream I ever had was that I was a master conductor of an invisible orchestra and I could say violins, or trumpets and they would all just join into the master melody. Now, I'm not a musical guy at all, but it was the most amazing experience to hear each instrument in such clarity and direct the over all music. Only happened once, but I guess I'll remember that forever because I guess it would have been how someone like Beethoven could mentally hear all the time.
You can't sleep too much, not only will you not lucid dream when you overnap, you'll ruin the rigorous schedule that's required to continue lucid dreaming.
But maybe that wasn't the case for him. It'd be unusal though.
On December 03 2005 20:02 EvilTeletubby wrote: I've only had it happen a couple times, and not for like 2 years. But they're awesome as hell, because you can feel everything, and do anything you want.
Lately all my regular dreams have been pornographic in nature... I think I really need to get laid soon.
Also, sex dreams whilst lucid often become a really weak point of maintaining lucidity, because the anticipation of the act seems to make it much harder to keep the LD stable.
But once you become good at maintaining lucidity....fuck away friends...fuck away.
I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
On July 27 2010 16:34 Faraday wrote: I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
I actually had a moment where I realized I was thinking of an idea from the real world while in a dream while my projections were trying to figure something out, but didn't really notice I was in a dream till after I woke up. Kinda semi lucid moment. Trying to remember my dreams every night, can usually remember every other day or so
I was having a regular dream that was quite realistic when at some point I realised, 'hey, this is a lucid dream, i can control myself fully and i am conscious'. So I suddenly started ringing/rubbing my hands, like that wiki page said, to make my lucid dream possibly last longer. I proceeded to 'break the law' because I knew no-one would do anything to me and I could do everything. From time to time I kept rubbing my hands to see if that theory worked (deep inside I did hope so).
At some point of the dream I distinctively felt the bond of the real world and the dream world breaking and I didn't want it to end, when I woke up... Usually after I wake up, I try to go back to sleep as soon as possible, the dream might continue. But unfortunately, it didn't work this time.
What's amazing though, compared to the other few lucid dreams I had, this one did indeed last about 3 times longer. I don't know if subconsciously I felt that rubbing hands indeed works after having read that article, but in my case, it did work.
The only ever lucid dream I've had (I read up on it a lot as well) was when I attempted Polyphasic sleeping. I actually succeeded in dreaming in the 20 minute naps and I had a lucid dream in my first dream of the whole 'experiment' (a few days of Polyphasic sleeping). What was crazy though was that the 20 minute nap felt like an hour or two in the dream. I know it sounds like bullshit from Inception but I swear to God I was running around jumping as if there was no gravity and stripping down all these chicks for hours and I woke up feeling as if I had slept for hours (I felt so refreshed and energetic etc.) and then I look at the clock and it had only been about 15-20 minutes.
I actually had to do a few tests to check whether I was dreaming or not, I didn't just snap and say "I'm dreaming 100%". I realised that it COULD be a dream but I wasn't sure because.. I mean, it's a dream. The first test I did was blocking my nose and closing my mouth and then trying to breathe. I actually managed to breathe fine (from my throat or something) and I knew that was wrong, but it didn't convince me one bit. The next test was pinching myself, it didn't hurt but I kind of knew that the sensation of pain should be there so that didn't work either. The one that worked is I looked at some writing (on a juice bottle lolwtf random) and then looked away for a few seconds. I looked back and the writing was changed and this conclusively meant that it was a dream, at which point I tried jumping as high as I can and smashed my head on the ceiling lol.
On July 31 2010 16:00 Ecorin wrote: I just woke up having seen another lucid dream.
I was having a regular dream that was quite realistic when at some point I realised, 'hey, this is a lucid dream, i can control myself fully and i am conscious'. So I suddenly started ringing/rubbing my hands, like that wiki page said, to make my lucid dream possibly last longer. I proceeded to 'break the law' because I knew no-one would do anything to me and I could do everything. From time to time I kept rubbing my hands to see if that theory worked (deep inside I did hope so).
At some point of the dream I distinctively felt the bond of the real world and the dream world breaking and I didn't want it to end, when I woke up... Usually after I wake up, I try to go back to sleep as soon as possible, the dream might continue. But unfortunately, it didn't work this time.
What's amazing though, compared to the other few lucid dreams I had, this one did indeed last about 3 times longer. I don't know if subconsciously I felt that rubbing hands indeed works after having read that article, but in my case, it did work.
Can't wait for another one...
The rubbing hands together method never worked well for me. Try looking at your hands for a few seconds, or spinning around.
Yeah lucid dreams are pretty sweet, the main trick I used to get learn to get lucid in dreams was to look at my right hand for a few seconds before going to sleep, and think about looking at my hand as I was going to sleep. Then I would remember to look at my hand, and realize it's a dream. Funny how that works.
Personally I always try to do new things once I have done something, I've flown before, still do, can't get tired of that one. There we're a couple of nightmares I had where after having them again at a different time, I was able to control them, but the nightmares evolved as I changed them. I ended up winning against one by completely folding the entire "space" if you'll call it that into a tiny box, then folded the last "wall" into the monster and woke up.
Another nightmare I never had before, was this giant creature leaping from one huge tall pillar to another (it was like a big cathedral but with nothing but pillars everywhere.) It could jump from one to the other, each one being about 30 meters, and when i realized i was dreaming. I just simply copied his move, jumped up, and looked at him, chasing him. Then I ended up just chasing him while he ran but he was too quick.
My new project? Well being a DBZ-holic, I'm currently trying to make a kamahamaha wave, figured if i get that down, nothing will be able to mess with me then.
I'm still working on the lucid dreaming, just had a dream yesterday that someone similar to Mr. Miyagi in appearance was designing something in a junkyard during the time right before the Olympic Games. I was like a narrator, not even in my dream, or I'm not sure, maybe I wanted to be Mr. Miyagi. Anyways the local news came by every day to report that he was working on something, but it would always be a secret. This hinted to me that he was a well respected inventor. One day his invention was finished and he put a blanket on it. When the news reporters came, he told them that they would have to wait for the unraveling of the invention during the start of the games.
i've been lucid dreaming a lot lately. For some reason every time i realize i'm dreaming the first thing i do is fly and start to shoot fireballs and shit. It's awesome.
Advice needed* A little background to my lucid dream experience: I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago, I was very intrigued by the concept and tried to have one of my own. It did not go well at all back then and after a while I stopped trying. About 2 months ago I watched a film call "Waking Life" which i a fantastic film about dreams, and one part that really stuck with me is how to tell if your dreaming, by looking at a clock or trying to change the lighting, which is not possible in a dream supposedly. This re inspired me to lucid dream, but one again to no avail. Then, a couple of weeks ago I randomly had my first lucid dream, then another this morning. Lucid Dream #1 + Show Spoiler +
Last week I indeed had a lucid dream. I was all of a sudden in my room, I don't recall how i got there but it was just me in my room all of a sudden. Apparently in my dream I found this funny too, I don't know what tipped me off but for some reason I suspected I was dreaming. With much uncertainty I tried turning the lights off, but it was impossible. I was overwhelmed with excitement; for the first time i was conscious during a dream! The first thing I could think of to do was fly. So i through my arms up like super man (no lie) and tried to fly. That is when the room began to disappear until it was just me in a blank white room. End of dream.
This morning my cat woke me up sometime between 3-5 by meowing outside my door. When I woke I was angry for a second, until i realized that i had another lucid dream. I was overwhelmed with joy. This time around was a bit more long and vivid, but it was quite similar but i remember a little more to it this time. I was talking to my uncle (odd because I rarely see this uncle) and I literally asked him "what to you know about lucid dreams?" JUST like in the film, Waking Life which i find really odd. I remember he was really enthused that I asked him. It gets a little vague from here. I remember my uncle went off about lucid dreams for a long time meanwhile I kept trying to ask him a question I thought was very important (although i cant remember what it was, or what my uncle was talking about at this point.). From here is gets more vivid. I was in my basement with somebody, presumably my uncle, it was pretty dark and no lights were on, yet i could still see the figure of a human, and it did not seem weird (at first) that we were interacting in the dark. Again, something tipped me off. I feel it was the lack of lights, but i cant say for certain. I asked whoever it was to hit the light switch, I cant explain how we knew where it was but we did. When the figure hit the switch no lights came on or anything. At this point I realized i may be dreaming, so i tried flipping the switch and nothing, I got excited, and flipped the switch on/off numerous times. Once I realized 100% I was dreaming, i was instantly in my room which is odd because last time i was just suddenly in my room as well. The lighting was still dark and of course, i tried to fly. This time i actually started to fly but i did not get far at all when the room again began to fade, this time to black. I was much more aware this time around and i was consciously fighting it. As I was fighting 'The Fade' there were these weird splotches of ultraviolet sort of like the patterns you see when you rub your eyes really hard. In the end the fade won. End of dream.
TL;DR Two lucid dreams that end shortly after I realize I'm dreaming and try to fly. The first was short and i didn't know how i got to the point of lucidity, the second much more vivid and longer. But ended all the same, except the first faded to white, the second to black. More than likely based on the lighting.
I need your help TL! I REALLY want to explore the possibilities this brings. Have any of you had similar experiences? Any tips on how to do exciting things that are not connected to the dream i was having before the realization of lucidity would be greatly appreciated!!+ Show Spoiler +
Its not fair i've always wanted one. But in all my dreams i sometimes have a nagging suspicion that somethings wrong but i just go with the flow of the dream.
i show up at some building where there are lots of women in line to buy something. idk what. for some reason i am spiderman and i am swinging around the ceiling from wall to wall just fucking around. at that moment i realize that i am in a dream, as spiderman. so i think to myself "fuck yeah i can do whatever i want"
so im swinging around scoping out these bitches. and i swoop down and have sex with the hottest of them on the spot.
Having just only learned about the possibility of these lucid dreams is it weird that I have this every time I dream, or at least have this with dreams I can recall later on?
Most of the time when I dream of things that frighten me I feel I've got control on what's coming, what's happening and that I can wake up any time I want. Maybe not literally but I guess you can't be sure of what games your subconciousnes is playing..
I recall multiple dreams of positive feelings aswell where I knew it was a dream and I could play around in it for while it lasts.
Lots of situations people have described in this thread feel familiair to me I never realized this shit existed and I could try out weird shit when having a ''lucid dream'' I recall there were dreams where I decided having myself affected by gravity wasn't cool, so I removed it and it was awesome - until I woke up where it made me sad cause life wasn't as awesome. Which is probably why those are the only dreams I can vaguely recall.
I'll definitely try those right hand tricks for it to occur more often.
On December 07 2011 08:33 LennyLeonard wrote: Advice needed* A little background to my lucid dream experience: I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago, I was very intrigued by the concept and tried to have one of my own. It did not go well at all back then and after a while I stopped trying. About 2 months ago I watched a film call "Waking Life" which i a fantastic film about dreams, and one part that really stuck with me is how to tell if your dreaming, by looking at a clock or trying to change the lighting, which is not possible in a dream supposedly. This re inspired me to lucid dream, but one again to no avail. Then, a couple of weeks ago I randomly had my first lucid dream, then another this morning. Lucid Dream #1 + Show Spoiler +
Last week I indeed had a lucid dream. I was all of a sudden in my room, I don't recall how i got there but it was just me in my room all of a sudden. Apparently in my dream I found this funny too, I don't know what tipped me off but for some reason I suspected I was dreaming. With much uncertainty I tried turning the lights off, but it was impossible. I was overwhelmed with excitement; for the first time i was conscious during a dream! The first thing I could think of to do was fly. So i through my arms up like super man (no lie) and tried to fly. That is when the room began to disappear until it was just me in a blank white room. End of dream.
This morning my cat woke me up sometime between 3-5 by meowing outside my door. When I woke I was angry for a second, until i realized that i had another lucid dream. I was overwhelmed with joy. This time around was a bit more long and vivid, but it was quite similar but i remember a little more to it this time. I was talking to my uncle (odd because I rarely see this uncle) and I literally asked him "what to you know about lucid dreams?" JUST like in the film, Waking Life which i find really odd. I remember he was really enthused that I asked him. It gets a little vague from here. I remember my uncle went off about lucid dreams for a long time meanwhile I kept trying to ask him a question I thought was very important (although i cant remember what it was, or what my uncle was talking about at this point.). From here is gets more vivid. I was in my basement with somebody, presumably my uncle, it was pretty dark and no lights were on, yet i could still see the figure of a human, and it did not seem weird (at first) that we were interacting in the dark. Again, something tipped me off. I feel it was the lack of lights, but i cant say for certain. I asked whoever it was to hit the light switch, I cant explain how we knew where it was but we did. When the figure hit the switch no lights came on or anything. At this point I realized i may be dreaming, so i tried flipping the switch and nothing, I got excited, and flipped the switch on/off numerous times. Once I realized 100% I was dreaming, i was instantly in my room which is odd because last time i was just suddenly in my room as well. The lighting was still dark and of course, i tried to fly. This time i actually started to fly but i did not get far at all when the room again began to fade, this time to black. I was much more aware this time around and i was consciously fighting it. As I was fighting 'The Fade' there were these weird splotches of ultraviolet sort of like the patterns you see when you rub your eyes really hard. In the end the fade won. End of dream.
TL;DR Two lucid dreams that end shortly after I realize I'm dreaming and try to fly. The first was short and i didn't know how i got to the point of lucidity, the second much more vivid and longer. But ended all the same, except the first faded to white, the second to black. More than likely based on the lighting.
I need your help TL! I REALLY want to explore the possibilities this brings. Have any of you had similar experiences? Any tips on how to do exciting things that are not connected to the dream i was having before the realization of lucidity would be greatly appreciated!!+ Show Spoiler +
You have to come to terms that lucid dreaming is different for everyone. One person can reach lucidity within the first week of trying, others it can take much, much longer, so don't base your knowledge of that off of what people tell you. Keep trying, and you'll eventually get it down.
Reading on I saw that you had actually had a lucid dream or two. The first few times that you have a lucid dream, you will wake up almost instantly due to pure excitement. Don't be discouraged though, keep trying, you're at a phase where it will just get easier and easier. Once you get this down, lucid dreaming will be another easy task.
LennyLenoard there was a guide about this subject in another thread. What stood out to me from what you said was that once you are lucid you get emotionally excited whether it's sad or happy. This basically can't happen else you will start to wake up.
I had a two natural lucid dreams when I was around 5 years old. I wasn't completely lucid since I didn't realize I was dreaming, but I did have control. A few years later I had one where I was 100% lucid. Unfortunately, I had been having bad dreams, and I didn't realize the potential before me, so when I 'woke up' in my dream then looked out my window and realized something wasn't right, I decided to lay back down and go to sleep
I found out about Lucid Dreaming maybe 6 months ago. I was extremely interested and started getting a few shortly after. That super enthusiastic phase passed long ago but I still get Lucid Dreams at least a couple times a month. And if I get one I'm very likely to get loads that night. Been out flying across waterfalls, to parallel dimensions, flown a dragon, fought off bad guys dragon ball z style etc. But I guess the most obvious use is for sex (unfortunately I find it really hard maintaining lucidity during that though D.
From my personal experience I would recommend focusing on it until you are getting them on some sort of regular basis. Then you can mostly forget about it and, learn and enjoy whenever dem dreams pop up
I have them from time to time. The dreams I remember well are never particularly exciting. The ones where crazy metaphysical shit goes on I have no memory of and no control over. Of lucid dreams I've seen two types.
One is where I don't care that it's a dream and just go about my business, getting up and doing my normal routine, maybe even going to class or playing video games. The other is where I start reviewing either fictional stories or science lectures in my memory, usually fast forwarding the boring parts and sometimes adding original scenes/commentary. It's really suprising how well my memory works in that state.
Eventually the contradictions pile up, causing me to wake up or "reset" the dream until I get tired of dreaming.
Oh and there's no way death can be like a dream...in the end dreams are biological. And having to relive/remix my memories eternally in dreams would get really dull. A consciousness unable to experience anything new would be hell.
I went on a dry streak of about 3 months without any dreams whatsoever and had trouble getting to sleep. I did some research and I started taking a water soluble magnesium supplement 40 min. before going to sleep and it has helped me immensely get more restful sleep, vivid dreams, and more energy throughout the day.
nice.. i have them every night... i used to have a guide where i where i would write down my dreams, but it became impossible since i was having like 5 different dreams per night, always waking to write down the dreams >.<...i have tried almost everything in the dream world, had great control since i was a kid,lately i tried making portals and trying to control my real body while sleeping...i often think about music and listen to some metal before going to bed, that way i will "compose" some masterful pieces of music that im never able to play in the real world cause im such a guitar noob sigh.
I have these a couple of times a week, always thought it was quite common until i talked to my friends about some of my dream things and found out they have never/rarely experienced it its very fun and awesome when it happens and i normally wake up feeling better after a night of them
On July 27 2010 16:34 Faraday wrote: I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
I know I'm a year late, but this is for anyone else with this problem. The best way to wake up from a dream isn't to imagine getting up as said imagination is still a part of your dream. You need to experience reality outside your dream to be sure you leave it.
I find the best way to wake up is to try to get in touch with your real body. Feel the bed, the blankets, the pillow, the air, etc, and try to move your body. Even if you can't actually move activating those parts of your brain will pull you closer to reality. Once you manage to contact your actual body I find you usually get sucked up by reality.
On July 27 2010 16:34 Faraday wrote: I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
I know I'm a year late, but this is for anyone else with this problem. The best way to wake up from a dream isn't to imagine getting up as said imagination is still a part of your dream. You need to experience reality outside your dream to be sure you leave it.
I find the best way to wake up is to try to get in touch with your real body. Feel the bed, the blankets, the pillow, the air, etc, and try to move your body. Even if you can't actually move activating those parts of your brain will pull you closer to reality. Once you manage to contact your actual body I find you usually get sucked up by reality.
Noted. However if i ever get good enough to be able to fake a wake up, i dont think id ever want to wake up anyways!
On July 27 2010 16:34 Faraday wrote: I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
I know I'm a year late, but this is for anyone else with this problem. The best way to wake up from a dream isn't to imagine getting up as said imagination is still a part of your dream. You need to experience reality outside your dream to be sure you leave it.
I find the best way to wake up is to try to get in touch with your real body. Feel the bed, the blankets, the pillow, the air, etc, and try to move your body. Even if you can't actually move activating those parts of your brain will pull you closer to reality. Once you manage to contact your actual body I find you usually get sucked up by reality.
Noted. However if i ever get good enough to be able to fake a wake up, i dont think id ever want to wake up anyways!
try this funny thing....when you are inside the dream and you know that you are dreaming try to make your dream body fall on its back :D something interesting will happen believe me
I had the most awesome dream this night. It wasn't lucid in the sense that I was in control or knew I was dreaming but it was SO INCREDIBLY REAL!
My aunt died 2 years ago and I really loved her a lot, I've sat at her deathbed the day she was euthanized. a very special moment, a very special experience. the moment at the best I felt spirtlinked with her somehow, we hugged, kissed and talked about my childhood and how she was a part in it. I never kiss anyone on the mouth, except my wife. Somehow I kissed my aunt on the mouth a few times and after we had a talk and it was time for her to go I gave her one last kiss. Mind you this was not ackward or sexual at all, it was just VERY personal. I felt so connected to her and seeing her on her deathbed made me want to be really close with her. I still think of her almost daily.
Last night she appeared to me in my dream and it was SO REAL. We talked a while and it really felt to me as if she was alive at that point. Now I'm confused. Was it her spirit actually visiting me in the netherrealm? So weird. This dream made me feel soooo good.
I only had one lucid dream I can remember of. I was fucking tired as hell during the middle of the day. I was microing hellions against drones and nospeed lings in mineral lines. Freaking dream lasted 6 hours. Enjoyed it :D
On December 07 2011 23:05 Kwanny wrote: I only had one lucid dream I can remember of. I was fucking tired as hell during the middle of the day. I was microing hellions against drones and nospeed lings in mineral lines. Freaking dream lasted 6 hours. Enjoyed it :D
I've heard that upon realizing that you are dreaming, it's possible to assume complete control of your dream, which is a concept I find pretty awesome. Our minds are insanely complex and strange and cool.
I've also been told that it's a very fine line between regular dreaming and lucid dreaming, and most people simply wake up after realizing they are dreaming. Supposedly, if you start to realize it's a dream, you start by looking at your hands and then your arms, and you gradually "synchronize" yourself with your subconcious.
On July 27 2010 16:34 Faraday wrote: I have a problem ...90% of my dreams are lucid...and I know I'm dreaming but i can't wake up...it kinda sucks...And when I try to wake up, i'm dreaming that I wake up and do stuff...when in fact it is still a dream...
I know I'm a year late, but this is for anyone else with this problem. The best way to wake up from a dream isn't to imagine getting up as said imagination is still a part of your dream. You need to experience reality outside your dream to be sure you leave it.
I find the best way to wake up is to try to get in touch with your real body. Feel the bed, the blankets, the pillow, the air, etc, and try to move your body. Even if you can't actually move activating those parts of your brain will pull you closer to reality. Once you manage to contact your actual body I find you usually get sucked up by reality.
when i was a kid and i was having a bad dream, i opened my eyes as far as i could to wake up
Whoa whoa, is there a guide to initiating this stuff? Sounds like a good time. ^^
I don't know if this is something similar, but whenever I get sick my dreams are completely realistic (or so it seems). When I was sick when I was younger, I'd dream that I went and told my parents that I needed help, or dreamed that I had puked or gone to the bathroom, when nothing had really happened. Then I'd really wake up and wonder why my parents hadn't come and helped me, and start to get frustrated.
One time I was reading The Client by John Grisham and I was the kid in the book. I was sick at the time, and so the weird dreams were happening. I thought that the Mafia was trying to kill me, and I literally ran into the other room and hid behind the couch so the snipers couldn't hit me. I dunno if that's similar or not, but the dream and real life seemed to be the exact same thing.
Guys, just a heads up, Lucid dreaming is hard when you're a gamer and you deal with fiction and fantasy all the time, in stuff like Skyrim and starcraft. You're brain finds it difficult to differentiate odd stuff when the real world is strange.
I've had two lucid dreams in my entire life. Both of them, I crafted my entire world (of my book, I'm a fantasy novelist ) and explored it for what felt like twenty minutes. The second time I became one of the races that could fly, and I did.
I don't pride myself on being good at initiating lucid dreams. I pride myself on having dreams that are incredibly vivid in detail.
My two parrots wake me up super earily in the morning, forcing me to go to a different room to contuniue my sleep and that's when all the fun begins. I am always able to recall my dreams after.
I have lucid dreams reasonably often, although the level of control I have over the what happens in the dream isn't enormously great, and I tend to wake up quite easily from them.
I have them quite often. Also after having been out drinking, and going to sleep I can imagine people are coming into my room at 4 AM, while I'm trying to cover myself up constantly, because it's embarassing.
I have these when I wake up and go pee and go back to bed after it. I also have these almost 100 percent of the time when I fall asleep with my light on.
Guys I'm not sure if this is a lucid dream or not but I've done it about a dozen times. This is actually the first time I've heard about lucid dreaming.
Saturday nights are the nights I get the most sleep so I often have dreams, but I thought they were just random normal dreams until now. The dreams I would have would almost ALWAYS tell a story in a way that I wanted it to be. I always thought it was odd how it seemed like I was directing it, and aware of it. As a child I would have nightmares that I would have no control of so I never understood what the difference was between the brain directing my dream or if I was consciously directing it myself. Usually I never wanted the dream to end, and it seemed that way as the thought crossed my mind during the dream, but the moment I realized that I need to wake up sooner or later I find myself turning onto my side on my bed and grunting from disappointment from waking up lol.
I don't understand exactly how realistic a lucid dream is. The dreams I was describing were always vague but disturbing clear in a way because it was exactly how I would want the dream to go. An example of this is the fact that I believe that dreams are just images the brain shows me, so I would have an exercise in my other hobby , anime, and come up with storylines and different twists and add-in all sorts of adventurous features. I just don't get if I"m doing this or if my brain is.
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
For those of you unsure what to search for, this technique is popularly known as a Wake Induced Lucid Dream (WILD for short). Falling asleep without ever losing consciousness is extremely cool.
i can NEVER EVER lucid dream. all my dreams are completely fucked up. by that, i mean like they make absolutely no sense at all, one moment im harry potter in the power ranger world, when i open a chest i retrieve an item and apparently im link or something (but i never seem to realize that im a different character). things jump around and around. i assume this is what its like when people are on drugs but idk never tried them never will. anyways, ive had ONE dream where i said to myself "I'm Dreaming..." WITH a very very strong dream. however, it still seemed like a movie because i did nothing nor did i have any control over my movements or my thoughts. ive had those half sleeps where you know your sleeping but those arent really dreams you know?
someone help me? i think i can seriously use some lucid dreams.
You can have more lucid dreams with practice. Get into the habit of regularly asking yourself if you're dreaming throughout the day. There are some simple ways to test for a dream state, and if you get into the habit of performing regular reality checks while you're awake, you're likely to remember to do so while dreaming. For instance, if you have a digital watch, you can examine it, look away, and then look back again. If you're awake, the display will remain the same, give or take a few seconds. But dreams have a funny way of retaining visual symbolic data. If you're actually asleep, the display (or even the watch itself) will often be very different on repeat inspection.
If you are interested in lucid dreaming, theres a vitamin supplement from Onnit Labs, called AlphaBrain which helps induce lucid dreaming, as well as other benefits. If your interested look up information about it, a simple google search will reveal all.
ive personally taken it and can say that it does work.
also to the people talking about sleep paralysis, that is NOT lucid dreaming... not in any way shape or form. i used to suffer from it years ago and it was a very very uncomfortable feeling. being conscious but not being able to move. you are not dreaming, you are actually FULLY awake, yet you have zero control over your physical body. panicing usually follows and then you wake up rather quickly. it probably only lasted 7-15 seconds in most cases, just felt like forever
I remember that I had a lucid dream once. ONCE. I don't remember what it was about, but I do remember that I woke up thinking to myself 'I just had a lucid dream', along with a feeling of super awesomeness. I really want to try it again, but as far as learning how to do it, I've become kind of disinterested in that, since I've heard that while you learn to have lucid dreams regularly you often have bouts of sleep paralysis, and the idea of waking up and being paralyzed for a few minutes scares the shit out of me.
Tried last night. Fell asleep at about 11:45. Can't remember what it was, but I did a RC and everything just went completely white for a few seconds. Then I woke up. It was 12:40. Hopefully can get it to work tonight.
On December 08 2011 02:15 HackBenjamin wrote: I've heard that upon realizing that you are dreaming, it's possible to assume complete control of your dream, which is a concept I find pretty awesome. Our minds are insanely complex and strange and cool.
I've also been told that it's a very fine line between regular dreaming and lucid dreaming, and most people simply wake up after realizing they are dreaming. Supposedly, if you start to realize it's a dream, you start by looking at your hands and then your arms, and you gradually "synchronize" yourself with your subconcious.
Crazy stuff!
I find that when (if) the sun hits my face and I realize it, I can start forcing myself to dream certain things...
Yea I had a lucid dream once, Not as interesting as anything like inception but it was a good first start. I do remember three different scenes and falling asleep in all levels except the last level. But I knew I was dreaming, until I woke up of course. Pretty cool experience IMO. First scene was being in a car with my friends, noticing weird red marks on the road as we travelled home, and then i fell asleep. Second scene was with a girl I liked in my college course, (U guys can probably guess what happened there XD), I fell asleep again, and the third scene was one where I was running away from someone (Or something) in a warehouse/port area, kinda like the scene in 24 season 7 where Tony and Jack are locating the biological weapons. Yeah crazy dream all right. I did do the things that wiki article suggested, and it kinda worked, plus listening to the inception soundtrack probably helped as well. I was full aware that I was dreaming in these dreams bdw.
On December 08 2011 15:21 Brutaxilos wrote: i can NEVER EVER lucid dream. all my dreams are completely fucked up. by that, i mean like they make absolutely no sense at all, one moment im harry potter in the power ranger world, when i open a chest i retrieve an item and apparently im link or something (but i never seem to realize that im a different character). things jump around and around. i assume this is what its like when people are on drugs but idk never tried them never will. anyways, ive had ONE dream where i said to myself "I'm Dreaming..." WITH a very very strong dream. however, it still seemed like a movie because i did nothing nor did i have any control over my movements or my thoughts. ive had those half sleeps where you know your sleeping but those arent really dreams you know?
someone help me? i think i can seriously use some lucid dreams.
Three things that helped me: 1. Try to remember every dream. Right after waking up and before even opening your eyes concentrate on remembering the dream. Every healthy person has several dreams during the night, not just one, so keep that in mind. 2. Figure out the most recurring patterns in dreams and then tell yourself before going to sleep that you will realize that you sleep once you encounter one of them. For me, for example, one of such patterns is being in school and I had most lucid dreams thanks to this very patter. Yours maybe something along the line of meeting a real life version of fictional character, you get the point. 3. Do Reality Checks all the time, especially right after waking up, this will help you a lot in the future; false awakenings happen way to often when you just begin the journey of lucid dreaming. Regularly, every day, as often as every hour or even half-hour stop for a moment whatever you're doing and think how did you ended up where you are, whether there was anything strange going on around you and whether there is anything weird happing right now. My personal favorite RC is looking at digital clock, trying to find anything odd about it's indicator. It served me well in my path.
For first two you may need Dream Journal, but that's for you to decide. Lastly, don't try dream induction techniques before having at least one lucid dream. They are really hard and chances are you'll just needlessly burn yourself out and lose interest in lucid dreaming even before experiencing it.
On December 12 2011 20:57 Keyboard Warrior wrote: To be honest, as far as I can remember, I have only had 2 dreams, and I can just barely remember what they are.
Is it normal?
It's always worked the same way for me. I can't remember ever having a dream. I'm sure I do, just can never remember them. Any one have any suggestions for remembering the dreams you do have? Seams like the first step in trying to dream lucidly.
On December 12 2011 20:57 Keyboard Warrior wrote: To be honest, as far as I can remember, I have only had 2 dreams, and I can just barely remember what they are.
Is it normal?
It's always worked the same way for me. I can't remember ever having a dream. I'm sure I do, just can never remember them. Any one have any suggestions for remembering the dreams you do have? Seams like the first step in trying to dream lucidly.
I rarely (damn near never) remember my dreams either. About a year and a half ago I got interested in Lucid Dreaming and started a Dream Journal to help, as most information I found suggested the use of a Dream Journal. Essentially you are suppose to write down everything you remember about a dream as soon as you wake. Difficult to do when waking for me is like flipping on a switch. Just BOOM awake. No recollection of the night.
After a couple weeks of having a blank journal, I came across some tips that helped me to remember/recall dreams I had during the night. These are the two that helped me:
1) Set an alarm to go off every 20-30 minutes starting at least a couple hours BEFORE you have to normally get up in the morning. Yes it is annoying to be woken up so many times, but after a bit I was able to just slap the snooze button (something that gives me intense anxiety normally). I was also able to fall back asleep more swiftly after the first couple of days.
2) When you start to wake up: STAY VERY STILL. Move as little as possible and try falling back asleep in the same position. Repeat until you have to get up in the morning.
I was able to do this for about 2 weeks when I worked a late shift, allowing me to sleep in in the mornings well past a normal alarm time. I recalled about a dozen dreams over this period of time, some with incredible detail. Ill see if I can find my Dream Journal at home and post what I wrote if you are interested. As soon as I stopped setting my alarm this way and started waking up at a "normal" 6am for work, I haven't remembered a single dream.
So I'm not sure if it is normal to not remember any dreams, but you aren't alone as I have to make an active effort in order to remember them. Contrast this with my GF who seems to have 2-3 vivid dreams every night.
Reality checks rock, what I do is look at my hands and count how many fingers are on each hands a few times per hour, more or less depending on boredom, I don't know why but what happens is when you're dreaming your mind just sort of randomly generates how many fingers you have and each time you look away and back it'll (almost always) be a different amount.
A lot of nights I'll realize I'm dreaming when I check my fingers and notice I have three on one hand and 11 on the other, or any other random number.
The alarm clock thing where you check the time and recheck it is good too, but there has been a lot of dreams where there isn't an ipod or any other clock around I can use.
I've never trained anything and most of my dreams are lucid. I can even think about a certain thing and keep it in my mind when i'm going to sleep and then i will see a dream about it and if i don't want to see a dream i don't. I can see old dreams again if i want. Or at least i used to be able to do that stuff, haven't done that in a long long time. I'm kinda scared of dreaming though because of nightmares. The memory of travelling through the gates of hell and being trapped, chased, lost and alone still gives me shivers
I've lucid dreamed for about 90 percent of my dreams. I always thought that's how everyone dreamed until I saw a documentary on it :/ I never thought it was anything special. Something I've noticed though, is while I'm always aware I'm dreaming and control my dreams, I can also wake myself up. Sometimes I do it on accident and sometimes I don't wake all the way up, as in my body is still mostly paralyzed, which can be frightening at times. All in all, my experience with lucid dreaming has me thinking it isn't that great. I don't know what all people have heard, but it isn't that special. It's not some great well of creativity or higher level of thought. At least this is what I've found in my experience.
P.S. If someone is curious about lucid dreaming, I have my whole life of experience with it if someone wants to know more. You can PM me and I'll try to answer best I can.
On December 17 2011 20:40 ReturnStroke wrote: I've lucid dreamed for about 90 percent of my dreams. I always thought that's how everyone dreamed until I saw a documentary on it :/ I never thought it was anything special. Something I've noticed though, is while I'm always aware I'm dreaming and control my dreams, I can also wake myself up. Sometimes I do it on accident and sometimes I don't wake all the way up, as in my body is still mostly paralyzed, which can be frightening at times. All in all, my experience with lucid dreaming has me thinking it isn't that great. I don't know what all people have heard, but it isn't that special. It's not some great well of creativity or higher level of thought. At least this is what I've found in my experience.
P.S. If someone is curious about lucid dreaming, I have my whole life of experience with it if someone wants to know more. You can PM me and I'll try to answer best I can.
"It's not some great well of creativity or higher level of thought." thats because you dont use it the right way... you can explore your mind with lucid dreaming, you can create art (music,lyrics,paints) you can just enjoy the ride feel things that your mind creates that you never felt in real life. There are many uses to lucid dreaming.
" I can also wake myself up. Sometimes I do it on accident and sometimes I don't wake all the way up, as in my body is still mostly paralyzed, which can be frightening at times. "
Thats called Sleep Paralysis, also if you remain calm and concentrate you can do interesting things with it.
example:
The story behind "Devil's Trill" starts with a dream. Tartini allegedly told the French astronomer Jérôme Lalande that he dreamed that The Devil appeared to him and asked to be his servant. At the end of their lessons Tartini handed the devil his violin to test his skill—the devil immediately began to play with such virtuosity that Tartini felt his breath taken away. The complete story is told by Tartini himself in Lalande's Voyage d'un François en Italie (1765 - 66):
"One night, in the year 1713 I dreamed I had made a pact with the devil for my soul. Everything went as I wished: my new servant anticipated my every desire. Among other things, I gave him my violin to see if he could play. How great was my astonishment on hearing a sonata so wonderful and so beautiful, played with such great art and intelligence, as I had never even conceived in my boldest flights of fantasy. I felt enraptured, transported, enchanted: my breath failed me, and - I awoke. I immediately grasped my violin in order to retain, in part at least, the impression of my dream. In vain! The music which I at this time composed is indeed the best that I ever wrote, and I still call it the "Devil's Trill", but the difference between it and that which so moved me is so great that I would have destroyed my instrument and have said farewell to music forever if it had been possible for me to live without the enjoyment it affords me."
On December 17 2011 20:40 ReturnStroke wrote: I've lucid dreamed for about 90 percent of my dreams. I always thought that's how everyone dreamed until I saw a documentary on it :/ I never thought it was anything special. Something I've noticed though, is while I'm always aware I'm dreaming and control my dreams, I can also wake myself up. Sometimes I do it on accident and sometimes I don't wake all the way up, as in my body is still mostly paralyzed, which can be frightening at times. All in all, my experience with lucid dreaming has me thinking it isn't that great. I don't know what all people have heard, but it isn't that special. It's not some great well of creativity or higher level of thought. At least this is what I've found in my experience.
P.S. If someone is curious about lucid dreaming, I have my whole life of experience with it if someone wants to know more. You can PM me and I'll try to answer best I can.
"It's not some great well of creativity or higher level of thought." thats because you dont use it the right way... you can explore your mind with lucid dreaming, you can create art (music,lyrics,paints) you can just enjoy the ride feel things that your mind creates that you never felt in real life. There are many uses to lucid dreaming.
" I can also wake myself up. Sometimes I do it on accident and sometimes I don't wake all the way up, as in my body is still mostly paralyzed, which can be frightening at times. "
Thats called Sleep Paralysis, also if you remain calm and concentrate you can do interesting things with it.
example:
The story behind "Devil's Trill" starts with a dream. Tartini allegedly told the French astronomer Jérôme Lalande that he dreamed that The Devil appeared to him and asked to be his servant. At the end of their lessons Tartini handed the devil his violin to test his skill—the devil immediately began to play with such virtuosity that Tartini felt his breath taken away. The complete story is told by Tartini himself in Lalande's Voyage d'un François en Italie (1765 - 66):
"One night, in the year 1713 I dreamed I had made a pact with the devil for my soul. Everything went as I wished: my new servant anticipated my every desire. Among other things, I gave him my violin to see if he could play. How great was my astonishment on hearing a sonata so wonderful and so beautiful, played with such great art and intelligence, as I had never even conceived in my boldest flights of fantasy. I felt enraptured, transported, enchanted: my breath failed me, and - I awoke. I immediately grasped my violin in order to retain, in part at least, the impression of my dream. In vain! The music which I at this time composed is indeed the best that I ever wrote, and I still call it the "Devil's Trill", but the difference between it and that which so moved me is so great that I would have destroyed my instrument and have said farewell to music forever if it had been possible for me to live without the enjoyment it affords me."
I'm aware of both of your points. however, i was not aware of the "Devil's Trill Sonata." Pretty interesting and thanks for posting. As far as your first point though, I have don't numerous self-studies with the artistic side of lucid dreaming (though less with music) and I have had some pretty interesting experiences with it but hardly anything worth mentioning. Most of my memorable moments have come from handling nightmares and sleep paralysis.
I have been able to sit up, get into a push-up position, and flip over while fighting sleep paralysis. It can be very fun sometimes as long as you stay calm and lucid. People have had horrible hallucinations during sleep paralysis.
As far as nightmares go, I think this is the one of the most practical uses for lucid dreaming. Some of my earliest lucid dream memories (around 5 years old) have been dealing with nightmares. Some people approach them differently but a while a started to just make myself scarier and more intimidating than what my subconscious throws at me. It seems pretty silly and overly simple but it has lead to some the best and most interesting dreams of my life.
A little example of this is when I was 7-8 years old. At the beginning of the dream I wasn't very lucid and was fighting a fever. The classic time for a nightmare. This first dream I was standing in a playground by my school. Other kids were playing around me but the sound of play died out when my focus was on the ground. It became a dark black, like an empty void. Creatures around me seemed very intent on keeping me there. The most horrible part was when it sucked me down, I couldn't fight it because as far as i was concerned I was awake. After a minute or so, it was hard to tell, of suffocating in nothing a screaming for my family I partially woke up well into a fever by now. I started hallucinating. I was aware of my room around me but I couldn't move. In my window I could see as clear as anything I've seen, there crouched a horrible creature outside my window... It sat, screaming a horrible scream. It almost didn't seem like it was for me, it just sat, staring vaguely into my room, no emotion on it's face, no movement of the body, just horrible screaming.
At this point I actually lost consciousness again and I could move but I was still in my room. Only now, I backed against my wall and I just focused on it going away. It was at this point that it stared right at me, I screamed as loud as I could but nothing came out. The more I focused and hoped that it would leave the closer the window seemed to be. At this part in the dream I realized I was affecting what was happening. I knew that when I wanted out it drew me deeper. I was dreaming, I knew I was dreaming. I closed my eyes and the screaming got so much louder.
My family was standing on the other side of the room, staring at me in the same way. I knew I was dreaming but I couldn't stop the screaming, I was fighting my own mind and nothing helped me. Looking back at the creature my body tingled and warped in fear. "This is a dream... this is a dream. THIS IS A DREAM!" I scream at my unresponsive family.
Nothing was left for me to do. I ran as fast as I could toward the window and dove through it and put my hand on the creature's neck. I then found myself in the middle of my dimly lit neighborhood. There were more creatures and a screamed again. This scream wasn't out of fear anymore, it was a the same scream of the creatures. The houses and the creatures fell away from me and I was falling through space, similiar to the sinking in the playground but I looked straight into the darkness below me and flew into as fast as I could and I was then flying above my neighborhood and there were monsters of all kinds around me and I knew they couldn't do anything to me. charging towards the sky I woke up.
I was very startled a quite frightened, but when I went to sleep a few hours later I was hoping for a similiar experience to see if I could push my dreaming mind any further.
Sadly I don't flex this muscle much anymore unless I find my self in a troubling dream, but once in a while I try to see things I've never seen, hear things I've never heard, and feel things I've never felt. Unfortunately I haven't had any revelations, discoveries, or adventures in a very long time...
EDITS: Terrible grammar and spelling mistakes I discover every reading T_T
Sometimes I have dreams that I feel like I could control, but I inevitably wake up having done fuck all cool stuff and actually get quite pissed off at myself for not taking advantage of such a rare situation.
On December 17 2011 22:02 CaptainCharisma wrote: Sometimes I have dreams that I feel like I could control, but I inevitably wake up having done fuck all cool stuff and actually get quite pissed off at myself for not taking advantage of such a rare situation.
Sometimes when I'm lucid dreaming, if i focus too much on changing things, I wake up. Don't worry I'm sure you'll get some good lucid dreaming in. The first step is being aware, and just go from there.
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
I've had sleep paralysis few times in my life and everytime I thought it's scariest experience I've had.
But what do you ppl do usually in lucids? Banging and flying are pretty ordinary and I did those long time ago. I've moved to things like stopping time, splitting horizon, deforming perspective, creating black holes inside each other etc. Now it's a while since I last time lucid dreamed and I cba do all the work to achieve lucids again (sleep cycles, eating etc).
Downside is I see intense dreams (not nightmares) that are emotional rollercoasters. Falling in love with nonexistant character in your dream for example is probably most annoying things. e:Actually I don't know even if those relate...
I have lucid dream quite regurarly but its not fun, i only get it with bad dreams. When i experience ghosts and bad monsters, i always know im dreaming and i can force myself to wake up by opening my eyes with all my powers i have.
But the quite insane thing is, if i do this too slow, like if the monster actually gets me in my dream and i force myself to wake up while everything is going on, i can actually feel it on my body when i wake up.
There was one time i was stabbed with a knife through my sides, i wake up shouting and my hands were shaking. The area where i was stabbed was tingling ..... So i guess The Matrix is right. Your mind makes it somewhat real
I hate dreaming this way with a passion since it makes it too easy for me to reflect on myself... I don't like knowing everything about myself, makes existance seem so cold.
I've tried in a dream where I was lucidly dreaming and I wanted to close a door, I closed the door but as soon as I left the handle it would slam open again..
But lucid dreaming is interesting for sure even if I dislike it
I did this once, i've been trying to do it again so i might start a dream log, but i basically did all the stereotypical stuff like fly and just do all the stuff you can't do in real life but can in a dream , it was the best experience i have had in a dream.
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
I've had sleep paralysis few times in my life and everytime I thought it's scariest experience I've had.
But what do you ppl do usually in lucids? Banging and flying are pretty ordinary and I did those long time ago. I've moved to things like stopping time, splitting horizon, deforming perspective, creating black holes inside each other etc. Now it's a while since I last time lucid dreamed and I cba do all the work to achieve lucids again (sleep cycles, eating etc).
Downside is I see intense dreams (not nightmares) that are emotional rollercoasters. Falling in love with nonexistant character in your dream for example is probably most annoying things. e:Actually I don't know even if those relate...
Yeah the first thing most people do in these kinds of dreams is fly. I've pretty much achieved the ability to lucid dream almost at will (~95% success rate), and I do some pretty messed up stuff like creating closed loops of perspective (think Inception), playing with the laws of physics (relativity no longer exists), and the like.
Although there was one evening where I almost lived out an entire lifetime in this lucid dream. I mean it wasn't like I actually lived every day of 90 years, but there were highlights and important periods from every stage, from age 20-90 like getting married, starting a company, and such. It was incredibly epic, and as I passed away in the dream I woke up IRL, and was like "oh shit I'm 22 again. time to have life back."
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
I've had sleep paralysis few times in my life and everytime I thought it's scariest experience I've had.
But what do you ppl do usually in lucids? Banging and flying are pretty ordinary and I did those long time ago. I've moved to things like stopping time, splitting horizon, deforming perspective, creating black holes inside each other etc. Now it's a while since I last time lucid dreamed and I cba do all the work to achieve lucids again (sleep cycles, eating etc).
Downside is I see intense dreams (not nightmares) that are emotional rollercoasters. Falling in love with nonexistant character in your dream for example is probably most annoying things. e:Actually I don't know even if those relate...
Yeah the first thing most people do in these kinds of dreams is fly. I've pretty much achieved the ability to lucid dream almost at will (~95% success rate), and I do some pretty messed up stuff like creating closed loops of perspective (think Inception), playing with the laws of physics (relativity no longer exists), and the like.
Although there was one evening where I almost lived out an entire lifetime in this lucid dream. I mean it wasn't like I actually lived every day of 90 years, but there were highlights and important periods from every stage, from age 20-90 like getting married, starting a company, and such. It was incredibly epic, and as I passed away in the dream I woke up IRL, and was like "oh shit I'm 22 again. time to have life back."
wow I wish my dreams were like trips. I havnt had a lucid dream like that since I was 6 or 7 years old, I hope I have another some day TT
whenever I lucid dream, I always try to fly. Like Superman, and how they do it in Dragonball. But sometime I can do it, sometime I can not. What I usually trying to do is just float in the air, like I was in water, and "will" myself to float and navigate. When it work, it's feels great!
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
I've had sleep paralysis few times in my life and everytime I thought it's scariest experience I've had.
But what do you ppl do usually in lucids? Banging and flying are pretty ordinary and I did those long time ago. I've moved to things like stopping time, splitting horizon, deforming perspective, creating black holes inside each other etc. Now it's a while since I last time lucid dreamed and I cba do all the work to achieve lucids again (sleep cycles, eating etc).
Downside is I see intense dreams (not nightmares) that are emotional rollercoasters. Falling in love with nonexistant character in your dream for example is probably most annoying things. e:Actually I don't know even if those relate...
Yeah the first thing most people do in these kinds of dreams is fly. I've pretty much achieved the ability to lucid dream almost at will (~95% success rate), and I do some pretty messed up stuff like creating closed loops of perspective (think Inception), playing with the laws of physics (relativity no longer exists), and the like.
Although there was one evening where I almost lived out an entire lifetime in this lucid dream. I mean it wasn't like I actually lived every day of 90 years, but there were highlights and important periods from every stage, from age 20-90 like getting married, starting a company, and such. It was incredibly epic, and as I passed away in the dream I woke up IRL, and was like "oh shit I'm 22 again. time to have life back."
Do you use a particular method for that? I'm really curious, the only time i had a lucid dream was an unpleasant dream and i just had the ability to wake up :/
a couple of months ago I had this dream where I started dreaming of a story. I remember it being a good and quite unique story, so in my own dream I thought "whoa, this is awesome. I don't have all the details, but if I dream of an ending now, I can fill in those details later, publish the story and become famous!". So I was pretty much aware of what was going on. I dreamt up a perfect ending, woke up, still thought it was an awesome story. got up to find a pen and paper...and my mind was blank. I had forgotten every single thing.
On December 08 2011 05:16 ImFromPortugal wrote: people if you like this kind of stuff research how to achieve sleep paralysis at will and use it for more intense lucid dreams and other shenanigans.
I've had sleep paralysis few times in my life and everytime I thought it's scariest experience I've had.
But what do you ppl do usually in lucids? Banging and flying are pretty ordinary and I did those long time ago. I've moved to things like stopping time, splitting horizon, deforming perspective, creating black holes inside each other etc. Now it's a while since I last time lucid dreamed and I cba do all the work to achieve lucids again (sleep cycles, eating etc).
Downside is I see intense dreams (not nightmares) that are emotional rollercoasters. Falling in love with nonexistant character in your dream for example is probably most annoying things. e:Actually I don't know even if those relate...
Yeah the first thing most people do in these kinds of dreams is fly. I've pretty much achieved the ability to lucid dream almost at will (~95% success rate), and I do some pretty messed up stuff like creating closed loops of perspective (think Inception), playing with the laws of physics (relativity no longer exists), and the like.
Although there was one evening where I almost lived out an entire lifetime in this lucid dream. I mean it wasn't like I actually lived every day of 90 years, but there were highlights and important periods from every stage, from age 20-90 like getting married, starting a company, and such. It was incredibly epic, and as I passed away in the dream I woke up IRL, and was like "oh shit I'm 22 again. time to have life back."
wow I wish my dreams were like trips. I havnt had a lucid dream like that since I was 6 or 7 years old, I hope I have another some day TT
Yeah, when a lot of my friends come invite me to parties/raves/general drug use sessions I say stuff like "No man, I can do all that naturally in my dreams," haha. Honestly, if you think about it, lucid dreaming is probably the closest you can come to being really high.
On December 18 2011 03:29 rubio91 wrote: Do you use a particular method for that? I'm really curious, the only time i had a lucid dream was an unpleasant dream and i just had the ability to wake up :/
There are actually a lot of textbooks that people have put out on methods for inducing lucid dreams and such. Google "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" and read about some of the methods and such found there.
I tried Lucid Dreaming for ~3 months without any success. Sleep paralysis, all these other fancy acronyms and tricks and shit. Just never really worked. Then after I gave up, like a week later, I Lucid Dreamed by mistake. It wasn't even anything fancy, I sat down and pulled myself under the covers to go to sleep and closed my eyes. Opened them ~30 seconds later, got up out of bed to go take a piss, flicked the switch on (but the light did not turn on) did my business and went back to the light switch. When I tried to switch it off and realized it wasn't working, I just remember thinking: "Oh, I'm dreaming."
Then some really god damn trippy shit happened. I look up and there was a skull like staring at me. My throat tensed up and I couldn't breath. It felt like I was spinning at like a million fucking miles per hour as my vision in my bathroom spun around rapidly. Suddenly my body jolted up in my bed. I threw up all over my dick and pissed everywhere in my bed. That was ~2 years ago.
I had a somewhat lucid dream this morning. I remember my grandfather telling me that he was Stephano's 10th subscriber on youtube, before he was anyone special.
Then in the dream, i'm like Stephano doesn't have a youtube and my grandpa is 75. Doubtful
we then talked about how cool his hair was. when i woke up i was like
I used to have lucid dreams pretty frequently and they were awesome. But these few years my sleeping patterns were screwed up and I started having lucid dreams that were pretty damn scary. Basically, you lay there and its dark, there is nothing, or something a very dim corridor or stairs that just leads to nowhere and suddenly you realise you are asleep. You try to change the dream, you try to transform yourself and your dream world but no! Instead it gets dimmer and dimmer and you start having difficulties breathing. So now you panic! But no matter how much you try to move your body to wake yourself up you just can't. Your body feels numb, but it just wouldn't move.
Well I did some research and realised what I have been experiencing is sleep paralysis. Its pretty damn scary, I remember always thinking during the ordeal, "what if i never woke up?!", "what if i'm stuck here like this forever". My god, sometimes I wonder if people in vegetable state are permanently stuck in this kind of nightmare. Imagine you can't move your body, see or smell but you can hear and feel. ARGHHHHHH!!!!
I was once obsessed with all this lucid dreaming and aura and all this different stuff, was reading books like the autobiography of a Yogi (that book is the most depresing thing on earth I even thought that back then when I didn't know that it was wrong I mean you really want me to meditate this whole lifetime to only get o the next stage ??? and do the same there), well I went through a weird period in my life were I had lots of lucid dreams and I mean big deal I even had the waking up and still being in a dream thing, I had dreams where we would try to wake ourselves up out of the dream, it is really nothing special, but the stuffs so empty 9lik money is empty, like food is empty, i still enjoy money and food but tis empty) compared to what finally stopped me obsessing with all this weird stuff. The love and tangible presence of Jesus, i read a book called when heaven invades earth changed my life got a few amazingly accurate prohetic words and yeah never looked back and believe me I tried almost all that stuff meditating, auras, the secret (that book), all of it nothing compares to God's presence wow it makes me feel like this unexplainable joy of how much he loves me and you btw. most of youa re from USA right if u are get down to bethel church and have your life rocked. If not get your life rocked anyhow.
oh god lucid dreaming, I tried all this stuff a year or two back i was super excited, but could never get anywhere, all i'd do would be numb myself / etc. but i could never actually sleep. i'd also start breathing manually. which was annoying
i got close once: i was laying in bed then i turned around and there was my baby cousin sitting there, and i was talking to him, then i thought "wait what the fuck are you doing AM I DREAMING OH GOD THIS IS COO-" then woke.
Lol tonight had like 6 different dreams.. when i start paying 2 much attention to lucid dreaming this tends to happen, i start having lots and lots of different dreams.. i dreamed that some dudes were being attacked by a bear; dreamed that i brought the ring of power to mordor and gave it to Sauron..dreamed of shooting icmbs into random streets of my city and other random dreams... the funniest one was with Michael Jackson, i was thinking "so its true..he isnt really dead!" also found a guy that looked like Ghaddafi, i said to him "hi Ghaddafi" and the other guy sitting next to him laughed and said "hei look he is calling you Ghaddafi you gonna end up like him" i replied " we all have a bit of Ghaddafi inside, a bit of will a bit of revolutionary a bit of goodness.. but if you follow the path of greed and corruption we all end up like him" (it sounded better within the dream )
i think my main trigger for lucid dreams is when something supernatural is trying to kill me. and then it doesnt become a scary dream it becomes fairly fun. i guess my lucid dreaming is kind of amaturish since i cant control the enviroment but i can control weapons and gravity fairly well.
i also find that if i stay up all night and sleep during the day i tend to lucid dream
my most recent lucid dream i was in a swamp area shooting targets that looked like zombies for training. then when a real dead girl rose out of water i had no ammo but i summonded myself a chair and could keep pushing her around with it and then i started taking off her limbs which would grow back. also near the end i lowered gravity and was able to jump into trees and branches while this dead little girl was still persuing me the whole time.
thats about the extent most my lucid dreams get to but i know im dreaming and when i want to wake up i have no quarms letting the evil kill me
On December 18 2011 04:05 Fruscainte wrote: I tried Lucid Dreaming for ~3 months without any success. Sleep paralysis, all these other fancy acronyms and tricks and shit. Just never really worked. Then after I gave up, like a week later, I Lucid Dreamed by mistake. It wasn't even anything fancy, I sat down and pulled myself under the covers to go to sleep and closed my eyes. Opened them ~30 seconds later, got up out of bed to go take a piss, flicked the switch on (but the light did not turn on) did my business and went back to the light switch. When I tried to switch it off and realized it wasn't working, I just remember thinking: "Oh, I'm dreaming."
Then some really god damn trippy shit happened. I look up and there was a skull like staring at me. My throat tensed up and I couldn't breath. It felt like I was spinning at like a million fucking miles per hour as my vision in my bathroom spun around rapidly. Suddenly my body jolted up in my bed. I threw up all over my dick and pissed everywhere in my bed. That was ~2 years ago.
I don't try to Lucid Dream anymore.
i don't mean to laugh at you but the way you described what happened when you woke up was really funny xD
My imagination sucks and for that reason I hate trying to be aware and control my dreams because they always end up lame. I'll just settle for whatever surprise my subconscious has in store for me :3
One of my friends actually went on to study neurology at Johns Hopkins University, but in high school it was interesting to ask him about brain activities like this one since he seemed to know so much about the brain.
The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: One of my friends actually went on to study neurology at Johns Hopkins University, but in high school it was interesting to ask him about brain activities like this one since he seemed to know so much about the brain.
The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
Which neurologists? Do you have any literature concerning these beliefs? I ask because I've never read about this whole "lucid dreams and weren't fully immersed into REM" business.
But then you go on to say "Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep." What does that mean? That the other lucid dreamers weren't really in REM sleep some how? Waking up soon after becoming lucid is a problem that occurs very frequently with beginners. It's happened to me a lot. I've improved on it by staying calm (the adrenaline rush from becoming "aware" can bolt you awake). I've also found it useful to focus on the five senses (look around at the details, listen for sounds, feel a wall, etc) and become fully immersed into the dream.
When you say "suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has," this is very vague. In a broad sense, the brain is active during any dream. However, lucid dreaming might indicate dorsolateral prefrontal cortex activation. In his book The Dream Drugstore (2001-pg 97) Allan Hobson proposed that lucid dreaming is the result of DLPFC activation during REM sleep, and that working memory resides in the DLPFC which is deactivated during sleep and results in the bizarreness and mute executive functions associated with dreams.
As for your last paragraph, there's no scientific evidence that time dilation actually occurs in dreaming. In fact, there's only evidence of the contrary. Dr. Stephen Laberge did an experiment where lucid dreamers counted down to ten and then did an eye signal (you can control physical eye movement while lucid dreaming). The length of time this required in waking life corresponded with dream time.
I've had dreams where I was able to do anything I wanted. I could fly around like a DBZ character, fight like one with energy beams and all kinds of neat shit like that. One dream I was in some kind of battle and I decided to grab an airplane from out of the sky (with telekinesis) and smash it into an enemy ship of some kind. Just looked up into the sky and grabbed a plane like a Jedi Master using the force. I've fought countless hordes of enemies with these powers as well as just a single arch-nemesis.
I fucking love these dreams.
My conclusion was: lucid dreams kick-ass and I watch way too DBZ and play way too many video games. My lucid dreams are almost always "video game" themed. I've had so many!
On December 18 2011 18:15 danmooj1 wrote: when you have a lucid dream, do you feel as rested as when you don't?
and once you learn how to have a lucid dream, can you choose not to have a lucid dream certain nights?
I think I read somewhere on TL a while back about someone not being able to have a good night rest because all their dreams became lucid dreams.
The rest of your body is asleep; you're essentially tapping into your subconscious; all whilst in a deep state of sleep. For me I feel better when I wake up from a lucid dream, I feel more alert and aware, but in general terms I think sleeping & lucid dreaming is almost equal to normal sleep - in my experience.
You can definitely choose not to lucid dream - it still takes a level of effort to induce and maintain a lucid dream. You can choose to ignore lucidity. The main trigger to lucid dreaming is familiarity, you might realise you are dreaming based on familiar dream scenarios/general dreamsigns you learn to pick up on whilst learning to become lucid. You can just 'go with the dream' though, if you don't feel like becoming engaged with lucidity.
In the end learning to lucid dream is like training a muscle; you're honing a skill that enables you to have more control. You can turn it on as easily as you can turn it off.
In my case I get great sleep whether I'm lucid dreaming or not, I know the main issue for me would be becoming addicted to dreaming...because let's face it, if you can control your own reality then you're probably not going to have too many complaints. Real life Minecraft...and then some.
I once had a somewhat lucid dream... it was really strange, because a few "dream minutes" after I realised that I was dreaming and after I influenced my environment (which was really awesome), my brain seemingly decided that I shouldn't know that I was dreaming. So I dreamt that I woke up, it was so realistic that I had memories of doing something before I went to sleep (not what I really did before going to sleep but something completely different), going to sleep, dreaming and then waking up. Close before realizing that this was still a dream, my brain woke me up again and I was in my third dream which was structured similarly to the dream before but again with a different story. Obviously my brain had confused me enough with that because I was unable to recognize that I was still sleeping. I never was able to have another lucid dream after that
About the lucid dream itself: I was outside with a few friends when suddenly meteorites fell from the sky... they were all scared but then I realized that it wasn't real and told them "don't worry, it's just a dream". After that realization I could influence the meteorites like turning them away from us and changing their appearance (turning one into a ball of pure gold for example).
Never had a lucid dream before. I've come close, to the point of where I can kind of dictate where I want my dream to head too, but I can't say make myself start doing jumping jacks or something. It sounds really interesting though, but I'd feel like I would just ruin it by making myself have an orgy or something. Gonna keep checking back on this thread, hopefully I'll get lucky and have one soon.
The Matrix movie has a very well-thought description of dream, society, and erality in general.
What if we are all in a collective dream-state? And lucid dreaming is actually rare glimpses we have on the world as it really is? The real question is, as in Inception, will we even bother to wake up to that reality if the dream is so good?
I think I've never had one in my life :D except for that case where I was having sex and suddenly I noticed my dick was huger than usual and for a few seconds I was more or less conscious in that dream XDDD mmmm doesnt matter, had lucid dream sex.
On December 19 2011 10:00 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote: The Matrix movie has a very well-thought description of dream, society, and erality in general.
What if we are all in a collective dream-state? And lucid dreaming is actually rare glimpses we have on the world as it really is? The real question is, as in Inception, will we even bother to wake up to that reality if the dream is so good?
Research out of body experiences to learn more about that.
Only had one lucid dream that didnt end immediately upon me realizing it, with the semi ability to control things. I was just walking around in some kind of village, and it dawned on me that it was all fake. So, naturally, I decided I'd use my godlike powers to create a harem and have sex, figuring the vibrancy of the dream may create a rather fun experience. Unfortunately my being aware didnt lead to much control, I just wasnt aware of how to "make" someone. Instead, I decided id walk along the path I was and have sex with the first girl my mind conjured up, which I did, though it time skipped, I felt nothing, and to be honest, I woke up just as things got interesting.
It felt like maybe a minute, minute and a half? That was about a month ago, since then ive had increasing realizations that im dreaming, though it either results in me having no real conscious thought [essentially: ah, this is all fake > proceed to interact with dream as normal] or I wake up soon after.
(I did a TL search for dreams and found this thread) I don't know if it was a "lucid dream"
Today I dreamed that I found a shitload of Korean money on the ground next to an ATM machine. I didn't give the money to the police... fuck that I got bills to pay! It was a lot of 50,000 WON bills and some 10,000s and 5,000s on the ground. I looked around to see if anyone was watching and then grabbed as much of the money off the ground as possible. When I finally woke up I was mad as hell though because it felt so real.
On December 21 2011 10:29 Silentness wrote: (I did a TL search for dreams and found this thread) I don't know if it was a "lucid dream"
Today I dreamed that I found a shitload of Korean money on the ground next to an ATM machine. I didn't give the money to the police... fuck that I got bills to pay! It was a lot of 50,000 WON bills and some 10,000s and 5,000s on the ground. I looked around to see if anyone was watching and then grabbed as much of the money off the ground as possible. When I finally woke up I was mad as hell though because it felt so real.
Hopefully it's a sign because I'm broke...
hate those dreams... when i find something and wake up like "that money was useful"
i sometimes dream of puzzles (like a locked room escape or other stuff) and then try to solve the riddle all night long. And when it gets close to morning i give myself the brilliant (and realistic) solution to a problem i considered unsolvable. Then i wake up and am amazed how my unconcious part is so much smarter than the concious part of my brain :p
As far as inducing lucid dreams, I found it works best when you're basically as healthy as possible, mentally and physically.
You need a good sleep schedule, where you can wake up naturally and not be tired. Also you need a good diet and exercise regularly, or at least it helps. After that, you either need to figure out how to induce them from a waking state or find ways to trigger them mid-dream. Just so you know, triggering them is a lot easier but they don't last nearly as long.
If you learn how to induce lucid dreams from a waking state (which is the scariest thing I've ever experienced) then your lucid dreams can last for several perceived hours, whereas when I've triggered lucid dreams mid-sleep, you spend a lot of your REM cycle dreaming before you become lucid, so obviously your perceived experience wont' be as long.
Some helpful things to do are to regularly flick the light switch off and on every time you enter a room and always check digital clocks. This is because in dreams, you cannot actually control dramatic light shifts, and digital clocks never seem to read correctly. If you can witness this phenomena and tell yourself that you're dreaming without waking up, you'll immediately have total control of your dream.
Inducing from a waking state is a lot harder. You basically have to allow yourself to fall asleep while being aware of the fact that you're falling asleep. The only way I can describe the sensation is that you feel like there's this large black mass trying to engulf you, and you have to just allow it to happen. Once you enter your REM cycle the dream world literally realizes itself in front of your eyes. It's pretty incredible, but I've only done it successfully once, but it was my best lucid dream ever.
I have lucid dreams pretty frequently. Luckily I get them naturally, many people must resort to certain techniques and exercises to experience them. Telekinetic powers are pretty sick.
On December 25 2011 02:43 Jabroney wrote: Even if you are aware that you are dreaming that doesn't mean you can control it noob.
Are you talking to me? I've never had a problem controlling my dreams once I'm aware I'm dreaming. The trouble is staying awake once you realize you're dreaming, at least for me
Aside from night terrors, which is a different story altogether.
Just woke up from an amazing dream, i was in this beautiful place i remember visiting in a dream before, surrounded by flowers and trees in the top of a hill.. then i proceeded to jump from it and start flying towards a city, i felt so alive happy and in peace, even though i knew it was a dreaming it felt so good then later i woke up and the world was gray and cold, the thought of this being the dream and not reality run trough my mind.
so i haven't had lucid dream in yrs. i figured i'd practice my dream recall again and get it rolling again.
last night i had a sleep paralysis within a dream, when i woke into another dream. it was friggin weird and eerie as shit. Ive had sleep paralysis before, but never IN a dream lol. And I was almost lucid before the the paralysis and during. Got too weirded out and excited during sleep paralysis stuff and woke up fer real. damn.
I don't think I'd ever had a lucid dream till after i saw this thread. This morning I woke up to my alarm and then went back to sleep cause I'm on break. Then in my dream I remember specifically thinking, "If I had woken up, I wouldn't be experiencing this part of my dream, I'm glad I went back to sleep." Haha felt wierd.
I had the weirdest experience when I woke up. I was still tired, so I closed my eyes and went back to sleep. I then started hallucinating that my cat was on the bed and that I could feel pressure on the bed from her walking. I could see the door was closed and wondered how she got into my room, and was wondering if she was really even there, I realized I was hallucinating. Suddenly i got hit with a huge wave of sleep paralaysis/tingling sensation, noises, and I was awake the entire time. I don't remember if my eyes were open/I was truly awake, but it felt like I was awake. It would happen a couple minutes after closing my eyes, the hallucination would be brief followed by sleep paralysis and I'd fight it off to wake up again. It was pretty eerie. Tried to fall back asleep a few more times to have the exact same thing occur, except the hallucinations started getting more vivid, like I'd just see my cat and dog walking around my room. The last time I fought to get back up I just got out of bed, it was too creepy.
Had to look it up later and its hypnagogia. Was pretty unnerving when I was in bed. Kind of wish I stayed in bed to experiment. Although I was pretty aware and terrified that I might hallucinate something scary like the grunt from Amnesia suddenly busting through my door. Probably the main reason why I woke up. LOL
This is just a theory I have and I don't know what science says about this kind of thing. But I think that if you take interest in lucid dreaming in different ways (such as this thread or youtube videos or movies) that you will be more likely to experience them. Most of my dreams as they are now are of things that happened or are related to something I've thought about during that day. It might possibly be the brains way of remapping memories and useless information or something but it feels quite accurate. Sure sometimes the dreams seem random but many of the times I've had lucid dreams have been after seeing something about it online or in a movie. I think that you remembering something about a lucid dream can make you realise that you are in fact in a dream.
When I was a teen I tried to have sex sometimes in my lucid dreams but it never worked. Later I tried to focus on peaceful things like flying or hoovering through a huge field or moving forces of nature with my own hands etc. But it was many years since I had a lucid dream now. Hopefully revisiting this thread will make me have new ones.
If indeed there is a correlation between a younger age and lucid dreaming (which this thread kind of seems to enforce) I would be really interested to see what contributes to that according to science. Dreams are to me the msot fascinating thing about the human body.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
Which neurologists? Do you have any literature concerning these beliefs? I ask because I've never read about this whole "lucid dreams and weren't fully immersed into REM" business.
But then you go on to say "Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep." What does that mean? That the other lucid dreamers weren't really in REM sleep some how? Waking up soon after becoming lucid is a problem that occurs very frequently with beginners. It's happened to me a lot. I've improved on it by staying calm (the adrenaline rush from becoming "aware" can bolt you awake). I've also found it useful to focus on the five senses (look around at the details, listen for sounds, feel a wall, etc) and become fully immersed into the dream.
When you say "suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has," this is very vague. In a broad sense, the brain is active during any dream. However, lucid dreaming might indicate dorsolateral prefrontal cortex activation. In his book The Dream Drugstore (2001-pg 97) Allan Hobson proposed that lucid dreaming is the result of DLPFC activation during REM sleep, and that working memory resides in the DLPFC which is deactivated during sleep and results in the bizarreness and mute executive functions associated with dreams.
As for your last paragraph, there's no scientific evidence that time dilation actually occurs in dreaming. In fact, there's only evidence of the contrary. Dr. Stephen Laberge did an experiment where lucid dreamers counted down to ten and then did an eye signal (you can control physical eye movement while lucid dreaming). The length of time this required in waking life corresponded with dream time.
I'm not about to produce some massive citation list just to prove what I said. That's the difference between an online forum and a college paper. I get a degree for writing college papers, but I get nothing from convincing strangers on a forum.
Even so, what I said was mainly recollection of what my friend told me and things I scanned over on the internet. So anything I said shouldn't even be taken literally. I tend to have a certain authoritative tone in everything that I write, and that's probably what caused you to flip out. Just take what I said for what it's worth, which isn't much.
On December 07 2011 08:33 LennyLeonard wrote: Advice needed* A little background to my lucid dream experience: I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago, I was very intrigued by the concept and tried to have one of my own. It did not go well at all back then and after a while I stopped trying. About 2 months ago I watched a film call "Waking Life" which i a fantastic film about dreams, and one part that really stuck with me is how to tell if your dreaming, by looking at a clock or trying to change the lighting, which is not possible in a dream supposedly. This re inspired me to lucid dream, but one again to no avail. Then, a couple of weeks ago I randomly had my first lucid dream, then another this morning. Lucid Dream #1 + Show Spoiler +
Last week I indeed had a lucid dream. I was all of a sudden in my room, I don't recall how i got there but it was just me in my room all of a sudden. Apparently in my dream I found this funny too, I don't know what tipped me off but for some reason I suspected I was dreaming. With much uncertainty I tried turning the lights off, but it was impossible. I was overwhelmed with excitement; for the first time i was conscious during a dream! The first thing I could think of to do was fly. So i through my arms up like super man (no lie) and tried to fly. That is when the room began to disappear until it was just me in a blank white room. End of dream.
This morning my cat woke me up sometime between 3-5 by meowing outside my door. When I woke I was angry for a second, until i realized that i had another lucid dream. I was overwhelmed with joy. This time around was a bit more long and vivid, but it was quite similar but i remember a little more to it this time. I was talking to my uncle (odd because I rarely see this uncle) and I literally asked him "what to you know about lucid dreams?" JUST like in the film, Waking Life which i find really odd. I remember he was really enthused that I asked him. It gets a little vague from here. I remember my uncle went off about lucid dreams for a long time meanwhile I kept trying to ask him a question I thought was very important (although i cant remember what it was, or what my uncle was talking about at this point.). From here is gets more vivid. I was in my basement with somebody, presumably my uncle, it was pretty dark and no lights were on, yet i could still see the figure of a human, and it did not seem weird (at first) that we were interacting in the dark. Again, something tipped me off. I feel it was the lack of lights, but i cant say for certain. I asked whoever it was to hit the light switch, I cant explain how we knew where it was but we did. When the figure hit the switch no lights came on or anything. At this point I realized i may be dreaming, so i tried flipping the switch and nothing, I got excited, and flipped the switch on/off numerous times. Once I realized 100% I was dreaming, i was instantly in my room which is odd because last time i was just suddenly in my room as well. The lighting was still dark and of course, i tried to fly. This time i actually started to fly but i did not get far at all when the room again began to fade, this time to black. I was much more aware this time around and i was consciously fighting it. As I was fighting 'The Fade' there were these weird splotches of ultraviolet sort of like the patterns you see when you rub your eyes really hard. In the end the fade won. End of dream.
TL;DR Two lucid dreams that end shortly after I realize I'm dreaming and try to fly. The first was short and i didn't know how i got to the point of lucidity, the second much more vivid and longer. But ended all the same, except the first faded to white, the second to black. More than likely based on the lighting.
I need your help TL! I REALLY want to explore the possibilities this brings. Have any of you had similar experiences? Any tips on how to do exciting things that are not connected to the dream i was having before the realization of lucidity would be greatly appreciated!!+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck, I know what everyone is talking about when they say sleep paralysis is scary. Many a time I have had shit whispering behind me or loud wind rushing. I don't ever recall seeing anything (phew).
I actually had about 4 dreams last night that I all remember, one of them being lucid and one being a nightmare. In my nightmare I could control the intensity of the light with two knobs (I remember this really vividly, because the walls were pulsating as if they were taking breaths) inside a small shower with a foam ground. I don't know if I would have been able to fully turn the light off if I had tried, as I was just trying to find the most comfortable light intensity (my eyes are really sensitive to light in real life, I have to put towels over my lamps if they're too bright). The fucked up thing was that I think I scared myself out of lucidity as someone opened the door to my shower and I couldn't see who it was, so I became preoccupied with the dream guiding me instead of guiding the dream.
The lucid dream I had was about starcraft. It was cool because I just willed my field of vision into view instead of clicking on a minimap frantically. The field of view and distance kept changing (but not by much). It was a different kind of lucid dream cause my perspective was fixed into a starcraft world as an RTS commander, but I could still control my units very easily.
Specifically it was a TvT on a map that looked like if desert oasis and dual sight had a baby (snow tileset, mostly open ground). I remember opening marine heavy, him straight to marine/tank. I won't describe all the details cause they're boring, but I recall some of the battles in great detail. The last one was him gunning for my third base and I was already setup for a flank. As the battle happened, he had an inconsistently pitiful amount of units (my dreams are biased and like it when I win)
I've had better lucid dreams, but I don't remember them because they happened a while ago. The best way I found to keep lucidity is to stay really calm and confident (almost arrogant) as you're realizing the dream.
Oh, never saw this thread :D I started trying to have lucid dreams since only 2 week, my brother started one year before but I was laughing at him(becasue I didn't knew that you could change stuff in your dreams). So there weren't electricity, I was bored so I said "let's read a book", and I decided to read one on lucid dreams, and it happened to look "fun", so now I'm writing every dreams etc, yet I didn't have any lucid dreams.
Though, I "beat" a nightmare somewhat, I really felt relived when I woke up.
lucid dreaming is bad stuff people. lucid dreaming leads to sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis leads to hallucinations. Trust me, you dont want to wake up in the middle of the night being trapped in your own body and hallucinating people coming in and attack you.
On December 30 2011 22:41 B.I.G. wrote: lucid dreaming is bad stuff people. lucid dreaming leads to sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis leads to hallucinations. Trust me, you dont want to wake up in the middle of the night being trapped in your own body and hallucinating people coming in and attack you.
Dreams are hallucination. You become paralyzed every time you sleep.
Sleep paralysis is scary, but it ain't that different than regular sleep. Biologically, there isn't an actual problem here. Don't say it like you can start hallucinating all the time. It's basically just a dream that occurs when you're awake, and still under the effects of REM sleep.
On December 30 2011 22:41 B.I.G. wrote: lucid dreaming is bad stuff people. lucid dreaming leads to sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis leads to hallucinations. Trust me, you dont want to wake up in the middle of the night being trapped in your own body and hallucinating people coming in and attack you.
Dreams are hallucination. You become paralyzed every time you sleep.
Sleep paralysis is scary, but it ain't that different than regular sleep. Biologically, there isn't an actual problem here. Don't say it like you can start hallucinating all the time. It's basically just a dream that occurs when you're awake, and still under the effects of REM sleep.
ok very nice explanation and theoretically you are right, but I have a friend who had these lucid dreams for a while, and after that the sleep paralysis and hallucinations started. It fucked him up really bad. Im just warning people that its something to watch out for.
edit: where did i claim that you control your own hallucinations? the reason i wrote this is because you don't.
So you were actually drunk during that dream? Because I had something like that last week as I slept being drunk after a party. I dreamed going back to the party and then some of the weirdest shit ever happened. Or rather I let weirdest shit happen; I did actions I never would do in real life but I felt like I wanted to do them. It felt real but during that I somehow knew that it was a dream. It was really weird. oO
I didnt real the whole thread , but supposing no one asked before, can you actually lucid dream while your lucid dreaming? Would be glad if anyone who is able to have lucid dreams could try it out.
I'm not taking responsibilty for possible brain damage though :o
On December 31 2011 00:35 Nyxisto wrote: I didnt real the whole thread , but supposing no one asked before, can you actually lucid dream while your lucid dreaming? Would be glad if anyone who is able to have lucid dreams could try it out.
I'm not taking responsibilty for possible brain damage though :o
You cant, when you're having lucid dreams, you are 'awake' in your dreams. you can't fall back to sleep.
Oh yeah, I was having so much fun shooting electricity from my fingers and creating some sort of fantasy world full of butterflies, trees and flowers. Till I realise it was all a dream and I woke up from falling off my bed.
Yes! Holy crap I didn't realize this happened to other people. Whenever I have a dream I am completely in control of what happens, and i can wake up whenever I want from the dream.
I started lucid dreaming when I stopped wetting the bed. I remember in one of them, I took a piss with the batman but then I realized that I was going to wet the bed if I did, so I just left the restroom and woke up. Before I could control my dreams I would always wet the bed >.>
On December 31 2011 00:35 Nyxisto wrote: I didnt real the whole thread , but supposing no one asked before, can you actually lucid dream while your lucid dreaming? Would be glad if anyone who is able to have lucid dreams could try it out.
I'm not taking responsibilty for possible brain damage though :o
You cant, when you're having lucid dreams, you are 'awake' in your dreams. you can't fall back to sleep.
Oh yeah, I was having so much fun shooting electricity from my fingers and creating some sort of fantasy world full of butterflies, trees and flowers. Till I realise it was all a dream and I woke up from falling off my bed.
I don't think this is entirely correct. All lucid dreaming implies is that you are conscious of that you are in a dream and not in reality. I'm reasonably sure if you attain a truly lucid state, you could just fall asleep if you wanted to. Whether or not you enter a further dream state, which is the premise of Inception, I can't say. This evening, if I attain lucidity (I always attempt lucid dreaming on Friday/Saturday nights), hopefully I will remember to try this.
On December 31 2011 03:03 Falco252 wrote: Well, you can be lucid but letting the dream play itself, it's kinda the same thing isn't it?
Actually Lucid Dreaming is controlling the dream as it happens, not watching it move along disinterestedly. I usually dream like that, unfortunately. I have had *maybe* one or two lucid dreaming experiences, though they were short and I don't remember what happened in them. I'm pretty young still though, so I'll probably have more....... I hope.
On December 31 2011 00:35 Nyxisto wrote: I didnt real the whole thread , but supposing no one asked before, can you actually lucid dream while your lucid dreaming? Would be glad if anyone who is able to have lucid dreams could try it out.
I'm not taking responsibilty for possible brain damage though :o
You cant, when you're having lucid dreams, you are 'awake' in your dreams. you can't fall back to sleep.
Oh yeah, I was having so much fun shooting electricity from my fingers and creating some sort of fantasy world full of butterflies, trees and flowers. Till I realise it was all a dream and I woke up from falling off my bed.
Did you try to launch big metal objects with very strong electromagnetism at up to 10 km/s ?
On December 31 2011 03:03 Falco252 wrote: Well, you can be lucid but letting the dream play itself, it's kinda the same thing isn't it?
Yes, same thing. I let dreams play automatically because it amuses me sometimes, but if it turns into a nightmare I either force myself to wake up or try and change the course of the dream.
I've had dreams where I relise I'm dreaming but not too much control but 90% of the time I'm in a 4 way with Eva Mendez, Jay Lo, and that hot chick who makes my coffee at Starbucks so I just let it keep going nothing to change here.
It might be me mixing up in translation, but lucid dreaming requires more than being aware that you are dreaming. Lucid dreaming is a skill, and how good you are is determined by your ability to control and manipulate your dreams.
You are still, in starcraft terms, a bronze-gold if you can't become lucid every night (exceptions are ofc allowed if something weird happened that day).
But if you for 2 straight weeks have normal days and you become lucid every night, then you have actually become a lucid dreamer (if you are not able to do this you either 1. didn't lucid dream or 2. are a complete beginner), from there you really start experiancing and learning how to lucid dream which mainly exist of two components: 1. Making something happen the way you want and 2. staying in control and asleep while making something happen.
The biggest issue most people face in the lesser skilled phases of lucid dreaming is point 2 usually; Actually staying asleep and in control when trying to make things happen.
On December 30 2011 22:41 B.I.G. wrote: lucid dreaming is bad stuff people. lucid dreaming leads to sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis leads to hallucinations. Trust me, you dont want to wake up in the middle of the night being trapped in your own body and hallucinating people coming in and attack you.
Dreams are hallucination. You become paralyzed every time you sleep.
Sleep paralysis is scary, but it ain't that different than regular sleep. Biologically, there isn't an actual problem here. Don't say it like you can start hallucinating all the time. It's basically just a dream that occurs when you're awake, and still under the effects of REM sleep.
ok very nice explanation and theoretically you are right, but I have a friend who had these lucid dreams for a while, and after that the sleep paralysis and hallucinations started. It fucked him up really bad. Im just warning people that its something to watch out for.
edit: where did i claim that you control your own hallucinations? the reason i wrote this is because you don't.
First of, as mentioned, it isn't lucid dreaming if you are not in control (again I might mix words in translation here).
2ndly sleep paralysis is something everyone have every night, just that people normally don't wake up while in that state. And I wonder why you use the term hallucinations instead of dreams.
If you actually mean hallucinations and not dreams then that has nothing to do with lucid dreams and it might very well not have been sleep paralysis he experianced as well.
If you experiance sleep paralysis, you are awake, thus not dreaming which means you are just laying in the bed in your room unable to move your body (assuming you slept in your bed.. and you haven't been sleep walking, and no-one moved you.. for those that want to argue silly things)
EDIT:
Someone who are exceptionally good at lucid dreaming will have the dream look identical to our own world, literally look so real you can't tell them apart with your eyes (luckily plenty other methods). And in this world will be able to make whatever fantasy he got real.
If that is fucking a hollywood star, flying superman style, revisit that tropical place you once had a vacation at and the list goes on as far as your imagination.
He will experiance that just as real as if he actually did it in reality.
I used to be quite active in my dreams as a kid, talking in my sleep, lucid dreaming etc. I don't remember a lot of them now but there was one where I was walking somewhere in my dream, near a forest, and all the sudden I decided that I didn't want to be asleep anymore and made myself wake up.
Most of the time for me it's like a moment of clarity that I realize that I'm asleep and then just enjoy the rest my dream
On December 31 2011 04:58 CajunMan wrote: I've had dreams where I relise I'm dreaming but not too much control but 90% of the time I'm in a 4 way with Eva Mendez, Jay Lo, and that hot chick who makes my coffee at Starbucks so I just let it keep going nothing to change here.
Lots of things to change. You can make it a 5 way. OR EVEN A 6 WAY
On December 31 2011 03:03 Falco252 wrote: Well, you can be lucid but letting the dream play itself, it's kinda the same thing isn't it?
Actually Lucid Dreaming is controlling the dream as it happens, not watching it move along disinterestedly. I usually dream like that, unfortunately. I have had *maybe* one or two lucid dreaming experiences, though they were short and I don't remember what happened in them. I'm pretty young still though, so I'll probably have more....... I hope.
As far as I read and know, there is 2 distinct things, Lucid Dreaming and Dream Controlling, first is ONLY knowing that you're in a dream, and dream controlling in doing actions that you choose..
And you can Dream Control without having a lucid dream(usually it's just common things like walking etc), or having a lucid dream without dream controlling (= letting the dream go by itself)
I do have lucid Dreams quite often, but it is very hard to control them, like sometimes i even stuck in wall when i try to go trough it, i can fly for limited time and so on, and i can't change place where i'm, the only mastered thing what can i do is get anything i want, hmm, but that doesn't help a lot, and i noticed, that when you want to do something crazy like fly or go trough wall ( i call it crazy because you won't be able to do it in real life ) you have to 100 % believe that you will do it, otherwise you fail
I've been trying to Lucid Dream for a bit, and it's pretty hard. I had two amazing experiences so far, where I was fully lucid...at least I think. It's hard to tell if you're awake in your dream or if you are dreaming about lucid dreaming. Either way I think the result is the same. I did what people mostly do. Fly through my neighborhood, talk to people I normally wouldn't, ect. It's cool as hell. I wish I could Lucid Dream all the time, which is what I'm trying to do. So far, I can only control what I dream about but I have to focus a lot before going to sleep which is not something I always want to do.
Well, I'd say, as every thing in the world, practice makes perfect, you'll eventually get better, and you'll be able to do it faster,and easilier I guess
As far as I concerned, for the "stay interessed in lucid dreaming" is easier thanks to this thread"
On December 31 2011 03:03 Falco252 wrote: Well, you can be lucid but letting the dream play itself, it's kinda the same thing isn't it?
Actually Lucid Dreaming is controlling the dream as it happens, not watching it move along disinterestedly. I usually dream like that, unfortunately. I have had *maybe* one or two lucid dreaming experiences, though they were short and I don't remember what happened in them. I'm pretty young still though, so I'll probably have more....... I hope.
As far as I read and know, there is 2 distinct things, Lucid Dreaming and Dream Controlling, first is ONLY knowing that you're in a dream, and dream controlling in doing actions that you choose..
And you can Dream Control without having a lucid dream(usually it's just common things like walking etc), or having a lucid dream without dream controlling (= letting the dream go by itself)
So technically I've been having lucid dreams all this time? Wow, that's a new perspective.
I used to have more lucid dreams when I was younger, to the point where I almost felt like I could pick and choose what I dreamt about. Nowadays, it rarely happens. I always look forward to dreaming (as silly as that sounds), in hope that I will be aware in the dream, however it rarely occurs for me anymore.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
Which neurologists? Do you have any literature concerning these beliefs? I ask because I've never read about this whole "lucid dreams and weren't fully immersed into REM" business.
But then you go on to say "Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep." What does that mean? That the other lucid dreamers weren't really in REM sleep some how? Waking up soon after becoming lucid is a problem that occurs very frequently with beginners. It's happened to me a lot. I've improved on it by staying calm (the adrenaline rush from becoming "aware" can bolt you awake). I've also found it useful to focus on the five senses (look around at the details, listen for sounds, feel a wall, etc) and become fully immersed into the dream.
When you say "suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has," this is very vague. In a broad sense, the brain is active during any dream. However, lucid dreaming might indicate dorsolateral prefrontal cortex activation. In his book The Dream Drugstore (2001-pg 97) Allan Hobson proposed that lucid dreaming is the result of DLPFC activation during REM sleep, and that working memory resides in the DLPFC which is deactivated during sleep and results in the bizarreness and mute executive functions associated with dreams.
As for your last paragraph, there's no scientific evidence that time dilation actually occurs in dreaming. In fact, there's only evidence of the contrary. Dr. Stephen Laberge did an experiment where lucid dreamers counted down to ten and then did an eye signal (you can control physical eye movement while lucid dreaming). The length of time this required in waking life corresponded with dream time.
I'm not about to produce some massive citation list just to prove what I said. That's the difference between an online forum and a college paper. I get a degree for writing college papers, but I get nothing from convincing strangers on a forum.
Even so, what I said was mainly recollection of what my friend told me and things I scanned over on the internet. So anything I said shouldn't even be taken literally. I tend to have a certain authoritative tone in everything that I write, and that's probably what caused you to flip out. Just take what I said for what it's worth, which isn't much.
Sorry if I came off as critical. Really, I only asked because I'm interested in this stuff and genuinely want to read more about what you're talking about. You were referencing studies that I'm not yet familiar with, and I'd very much like to read up on them. I wasn't flipping out. Honest.
I had one strange series of months in my younger teens where I dreamed the same dream over and over again...always AFTER I woke up to pee and trying to sleep again. If I closed my eyes - I dreamt the nightmare which is indescribable and wanted to wake up from it and I always did. Then I could "reset" the dream again by trying to sleep and then waking up, again...
I never dared to stay in the dream, was really terrible ._. It's silly when I'm thinking about it now, but I was really afraid of getting to bed and experience same nightmare again.
I started reading about lucid dreaming a while back, and now I remember all my dreams in the morning, and it's really wierd :s I think I've had 3-4 lucid dreams the last month after reading alot about it and trying some of the things, like asking yourself if you are dreaming and checking for signs, even when you are awake, so you do this in the dream and realize its a dream.
Word of caution guys. I remember reading someone's post saying after awhile he got really good and could control his dreams so well that he lost interest in reality and had to see a psychiatrist. you'd laugh about it, think of it as comparable to alcoholics who always drink in order to get away from reality. a similar thing could happen.
On December 31 2011 16:06 dongmydrum wrote: Word of caution guys. I remember reading someone's post saying after awhile he got really good and could control his dreams so well that he lost interest in reality and had to see a psychiatrist. you'd laugh about it, think of it as comparable to alcoholics who always drink in order to get away from reality. a similar thing could happen.
On December 31 2011 16:06 dongmydrum wrote: Word of caution guys. I remember reading someone's post saying after awhile he got really good and could control his dreams so well that he lost interest in reality and had to see a psychiatrist. you'd laugh about it, think of it as comparable to alcoholics who always drink in order to get away from reality. a similar thing could happen.
True that it can happen, but I have only come across 2 situations of this, and in one of them it wasn't necessary with a psychiatrist either.
Reaching that high of a skill almost exclusively requires dedication which as well almost always requires a strong mind.
In other words; it is extremely rare for someone to become good enough without having a strong enough mind along with it.
Also it should be noted lucid dreaming got varying degrees of lucidity, a high level of lucidity has only been observed in people that has practiced dream control and become rather good at it.
On December 30 2011 22:41 B.I.G. wrote: lucid dreaming is bad stuff people. lucid dreaming leads to sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis leads to hallucinations. Trust me, you dont want to wake up in the middle of the night being trapped in your own body and hallucinating people coming in and attack you.
Dreams are hallucination. You become paralyzed every time you sleep.
Sleep paralysis is scary, but it ain't that different than regular sleep. Biologically, there isn't an actual problem here. Don't say it like you can start hallucinating all the time. It's basically just a dream that occurs when you're awake, and still under the effects of REM sleep.
ok very nice explanation and theoretically you are right, but I have a friend who had these lucid dreams for a while, and after that the sleep paralysis and hallucinations started. It fucked him up really bad. Im just warning people that its something to watch out for.
edit: where did i claim that you control your own hallucinations? the reason i wrote this is because you don't.
Upon further research he probably experianced hypnagogic hallucination, which really isn't a problem, I am just mediocre in the art, but despite that even I have gotten past being afraid of sleep paralysis and the mentioned type of hallucinations that can accompany sleep paralysis.
I would say that is similar to trying to e.g. go snowboarding and having a really bad fall and then be afraid of snowboarding.
Ok guys, soooo, I have a bit of a trouble, I can remember at least one dream per night, but, it's mostly the last one, and let's say, it's the only one I can write.
Because, I just can't write my dreams in the night, first I need to turn on the lights, and I'll wake up everyone by doing so, buuuuut, I guess I can write blindly a few keywords but :
-I'm not sure I'll be able to read myself... -Is it enough to be able to at least remember a bit of the dream, or even the whole, or will I totally forgot everything?
And then, are there some pen findable somewhere who does a little(but very little, like a led or something) light while writing, I guess it'll help me read myself.
Anyway, I'll try tonight to see what can I do, if it's really possible or not
On December 31 2011 05:00 NTTemplar wrote: It might be me mixing up in translation, but lucid dreaming requires more than being aware that you are dreaming. Lucid dreaming is a skill, and how good you are is determined by your ability to control and manipulate your dreams.
You are still, in starcraft terms, a bronze-gold if you can't become lucid every night (exceptions are ofc allowed if something weird happened that day).
But if you for 2 straight weeks have normal days and you become lucid every night, then you have actually become a lucid dreamer (if you are not able to do this you either 1. didn't lucid dream or 2. are a complete beginner), from there you really start experiancing and learning how to lucid dream which mainly exist of two components: 1. Making something happen the way you want and 2. staying in control and asleep while making something happen.
The biggest issue most people face in the lesser skilled phases of lucid dreaming is point 2 usually; Actually staying asleep and in control when trying to make things happen.
I personally disagree with this. I am what most people would consider a very experienced dreamer, meaning I can recall about 99% of my dreams and become lucid at will around 70% of the times I specifically attempt it. In my lucid dreams, I have 100% complete control, and have pretty much eliminated the problem of myself waking up during the moment at which lucidity is gained.
It is much more difficult to truly become lucid at will than you think. Even the most experienced people that I've spoken to, including someone who has been experimenting with lucid dreaming for 30 years, cannot become lucid 100% of the time. Remember, you're essentially tricking your subconscious and entering a state of fantasy, which your brain physiologically believes is real. Research has shown that the neurological responses to dreaming are almost identical to the responses measured during real consciousness - this comes from a study where they had people do certain activities during lucid dreams (playing sports, doing mathematics, having sex, other stuff) and measured their brainwaves with EEG's. Then, they compared those results to data taken when the same people did the same things fully conscious, and the results were almost 99% correlated, IIRC.
I think bronze-gold league correlates to the first stages of dream exploration - improving your dream recall and identifying your personal dreamsigns. Plat-diamond is beginning to become lucid due to your own efforts, probably 20-60% of the time. Master league is 70-90% on your lucidity attempts (not counting when you wake up as soon as you gain lucidity), GM is 95%+.
First of, as mentioned, it isn't lucid dreaming if you are not in control (again I might mix words in translation here).
2ndly sleep paralysis is something everyone have every night, just that people normally don't wake up while in that state. And I wonder why you use the term hallucinations instead of dreams.
If you actually mean hallucinations and not dreams then that has nothing to do with lucid dreams and it might very well not have been sleep paralysis he experianced as well.
If you experiance sleep paralysis, you are awake, thus not dreaming which means you are just laying in the bed in your room unable to move your body (assuming you slept in your bed.. and you haven't been sleep walking, and no-one moved you.. for those that want to argue silly things)
This is actually not true. You can become completely lucid and conscious of your dream, and completely unable to control its direction. This is not a sign of inexperience, but of improvement towards the final goal of complete dream control.
You are correct in saying sleep paralysis happens to everyone, every night. If you aren't familiar with the stages of sleep, pretty much all dreaming happens during REM sleep, where your brain is burning almost as much fuel as it does during normal awake time. It's hypothesized that sleep paralysis happens to prevent you from acting out your dreams, since studies like the one I mentioned above are finding more and more evidence that from the perspective of your brain, an action in a dream and an action in real life are interpreted almost exactly the same way.
But the phenomena of retaining consciousness while your body and mind enter the state of paralysis is very rare, and that is what most people consider "sleep paralysis". This happens to oneironauts (people who explore the dream state) because a popular method to induce lucid dreaming is keeping your mind active during the time where your body is beginning to enter the sleep state. There are a lot of things that people have reported experiencing during conscious sleep paralysis, like hallucinations, a feeling of another presence in the room, formication (not fornication), screaming or other loud sounds, trouble breathing etc etc... In fact, dream scientists hypothesize that the hypnagogic (pre-sleep) paralysis could be an explanation for people who report alien visitations and even abductions.
I have never experienced conscious hypnagogic paralysis, which I am thankful for, since reading about it makes it seem like an incredibly scary experience.
Someone who are exceptionally good at lucid dreaming will have the dream look identical to our own world, literally look so real you can't tell them apart with your eyes (luckily plenty other methods). And in this world will be able to make whatever fantasy he got real.
If that is fucking a hollywood star, flying superman style, revisit that tropical place you once had a vacation at and the list goes on as far as your imagination.
He will experiance that just as real as if he actually did it in reality.
I can vouch for this. Especially considering the scientific research that I've mentioned - to quote the matrix "Your brain makes it real." And yes, fucking hollywood stars happens a lot, I think that's probably the first thing that a lot of people try once they attain dream control - it was the first thing I tried. It also is one of the hardest things to do while maintaining lucidity. IIRC, earlier in this thread there was a post about a famous piece of classical music that was originally written in a dreaming state but was remembered upon waking up.
On January 03 2012 01:52 Falco252 wrote: Ok guys, soooo, I have a bit of a trouble, I can remember at least one dream per night, but, it's mostly the last one, and let's say, it's the only one I can write.
Because, I just can't write my dreams in the night, first I need to turn on the lights, and I'll wake up everyone by doing so, buuuuut, I guess I can write blindly a few keywords but :
-I'm not sure I'll be able to read myself... -Is it enough to be able to at least remember a bit of the dream, or even the whole, or will I totally forgot everything?
And then, are there some pen findable somewhere who does a little(but very little, like a led or something) light while writing, I guess it'll help me read myself.
Anyway, I'll try tonight to see what can I do, if it's really possible or not
You're on the right path though! Improving your dream recall is one of the most important things to work on. GLHFGG!
I find everytime i have a nap without an alarm or anything to wake me up, ill have these dreams everytime, i find i have some sorta sleep paralysis aswell were i feel that im awake but i cant move my body or anything to make myself awake. Usually when this happens i have dreams also that i can control usually that occour in the room that im in. I find i feel like i wake up about 5 times but im never truely awake. Its kinda cool but it can actaully be kinda annoying and i feel closterphobic because i cant move and im just stuck on the couch. Really weird but also really cool.
Just out of curiosity, how does this affect your sleep? What I mean will I feel as refreshed and recovered if I lucid dream compared to if I don't? I think it shouldn't affect me that much considering the length of dreams, which doesn't seem to be too long?
This is all assuming I can lucid dream consistently, which I can't yet. But still, just something that would be cool to know.:D
On January 06 2012 03:32 Tenox wrote: Just out of curiosity, how does this affect your sleep? What I mean will I feel as refreshed and recovered if I lucid dream compared to if I don't? I think it shouldn't affect me that much considering the length of dreams, which doesn't seem to be too long?
This is all assuming I can lucid dream consistently, which I can't yet. But still, just something that would be cool to know.:D
It shouldn't affect your sleep at all. No matter whether you are lucid or not during REM sleep, your brain is using up almost as much energy as it does when you are awake.
So if you lucid dream, you should wake up just as recovered as normal, and sometimes more so depending on what you were doing. *wink*
I had a lucid dream that I could control about a week ago. Whenever I realize I have control over a dream (which is rarely) I have the immediate desire to make a girl appear and try to have sex with her (yeah.. it's been awhile irl..). Unfortunately I usually wake up before anything really happens, which is probably because I am untrained and am trying to control the dream too much. Forever ever alone even in my dreams!
On January 06 2012 04:28 YouGotNothin wrote: I had a lucid dream that I could control about a week ago. Whenever I realize I have control over a dream (which is rarely) I have the immediate desire to make a girl appear and try to have sex with her (yeah.. it's been awhile irl..). Unfortunately I usually wake up before anything really happens, which is probably because I am untrained and am trying to control the dream too much. Forever ever alone even in my dreams!
LOL
I have been trying to do lucid dream and the closest I got was a couple of nights ago when I was in some dream at my school and said am I dreaming then noticed it, but then immediately someone said in the dream "what the fuck are you talking about?" then I thought it was real life and became non lucid -___-
I used to dream lucidly every night from age 6 until I hit puberty. Since then, I've had barely 10 lucid dreams in the past 7 years. Does it normally happen a lot more to children?
On January 06 2012 03:32 Tenox wrote: Just out of curiosity, how does this affect your sleep? What I mean will I feel as refreshed and recovered if I lucid dream compared to if I don't? I think it shouldn't affect me that much considering the length of dreams, which doesn't seem to be too long?
This is all assuming I can lucid dream consistently, which I can't yet. But still, just something that would be cool to know.:D
It shouldn't affect your sleep at all. No matter whether you are lucid or not during REM sleep, your brain is using up almost as much energy as it does when you are awake.
So if you lucid dream, you should wake up just as recovered as normal, and sometimes more so depending on what you were doing. *wink*
I'll add that if you beat a nightmare in your dreams, you'll feel REALLY relived. Anyhow, I read(on Laberge's book) that if you do something in a dream, your nerves will do the thing, so you can train yourself oO, but I gues it won't make you slimmer or anything right?
By the way, I really recommand Larbege's book, it's really interessing, well written, and you learn a lot of things(even on cats ! Now, I know why the cats have this kind of Sphinx position :p) he gives alot of exercies etc, very good book And well, this guy is awesome anyway, he is kinda the one who discovered REM and the fact that in lucid dreams, your eyes follows the eye's mouvement in the dream.
I had a Luicid Dream once with Tasteless' "Reading Trick".
At first I quite freaked out when I became aware that I was dreaming, but after calming down I enjoyed it. I tried to convince all the people in the dream, that they are not real, but nobody believed me. Later on there were also some women in the dream.... well.. What would you do if you met some women in a dream and actually know that it is a dream? :O