EPTTeacher suspended for giving zeros - Page 11
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On June 03 2012 05:22 Parnage wrote: Nothing good can come from a society that slacks in it's Education for the sake of accommodating the lazy and inept. The fact that this is a topic that has came up by a School Board seems to be a fair indicator of what to expect in the future due to such. I'am not sure about you or me. But I really don't want any of those students being my Doctor or Accountant or for that matter anything else that could cause me harm. I don't feel comfortable with the idea that they might have just coasted by to make a School look better so they could feel better about themselves. Feeling good about themselves doesn't help when they do something wrong and end up screwing up something important. You honestly think someone that doesn't do their homework will have the dedication to become a doctor? don't kid yourself. | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On June 03 2012 05:47 TKHawkins wrote: If I was the teacher, when I'd come back from suspension, I'd start giving them a grade of "one" instead of zero. If a zero is so bad because it hurts your self esteem, I'd love to see the school board's reaction if instead teachers just gave people a grade of one instead. Would they start have to ban grades of one then? Or 50s? Where would it end? What are we willing to do to help protect little Timmy's self-esteem. instead of using behaviour codes such as “not completed,” which the school requires under its grading and reporting practice. Oh good, he can be suspended for it again for not following school regulations. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
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RimasOwn
Ireland34 Posts
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peacenl
550 Posts
Another thing is that once you start job hunting, a steady shift is going to towards competence/motivation hiring, where you have to able to show related extra curricular activities and your skills during the hiring process. This phases out any students that don't care about their work field. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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IMpulseSC2
United States5 Posts
On June 03 2012 06:24 solidbebe wrote: Wtf? At my school if you don't do your work you're gonna get a 0 and sucks for you but it's on your grade list. Ofcourse you can always do the assignment some other time in the year, but if you don't do it most teachers will give you a 0. same at my old high school | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
You should see the 80s. If you didnt bring in your homework you got shouted at and sometimes had your ear or hair pulled! Not saying that's the way to go obviously. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45025 Posts
On June 03 2012 06:43 Psychobabas wrote: LOL You should see the 80s. If you didnt bring in your homework you got shouted at and sometimes had your ear or hair pulled! Not saying that's the way to go obviously. So then I don't understand why you brought it up. ??? I think too many people here believe that "not getting a zero" for not doing your homework means "the teachers or administration or any other authority of education actually isn't reinforcing homework or a good work ethic or education in general", and that's simply not true. That's a complete non sequitur. Obviously, there are other regulations in place, e.g. an incomplete and the threat of failure regardless of the actual numerical value of that assignment. Also: 1. Not every school/ district has the same rules. 2. Not every teacher has the same classroom rules. 3. Not every student learns the same way (regardless of what the rules are). 4. There are other ways to attempt to instill responsibility and motivation in students besides threatening them with a zero. Obviously, a grade is a good motivator for plenty of students, but anyone who understands mathematical averages and who has taught a class before (or has been a student for that matter) surely understands how one bad grade (e.g. a 0%) can destroy a student's average, despite them obtaining mostly good grades overall. Does the word "outlier" ring a bell to anyone? And how it really screws with the mean? | ||
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CustomKal
Canada749 Posts
The other issue (one that comes up a lot these days within the curriculum) is that tests are not an accurate representation of everyone's learning styles. The way people work is that they generally fall into three categories; Kinesthetic, Oral, and Visual learners. They either learning by physically being involved to learn, listening or watching. The same goes for their tests. Someone with Visual will generally do a lot better on a written test that an kinesthetic or oral learner simply because it suits their learning style. Look at it from the other perspective and they are less likely to do well on a hands on test. Tests simply don't work because perhaps one student gets a 90 on their presentation and then get a 60 on the test. Is that an accurate representation of their intelligence and learning in the course? As for the 0 issue. This I believe was also recently introduced into the education system in my areas school board, and the way it works is to not fail students based on uncompleted work because you are unaware of potential situations at home etc. I personally don't 100% agree with it and believe that at some point a 0 should be allowable, however as a teacher this still comes back to you and whether or not you feel it is an accurate representation of the student. If it is work ethic, that is their fault and yes they should be penalized for it. However, if it is a learning or personal reason, how you way that may not be as a 0, but instead in a different fashion. This of course also can allow more freedom at the end of the year as to what mark they get, giving an accurate reflection of the student in the class, and not a representation of what they were able to do on your work (e.g. when they may be a different learner) | ||
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redemption
United States112 Posts
On June 03 2012 02:12 Animzor wrote: First of all, you're not entitled to anything. Second, in real life, you have to learn to work with the hand that you're dealt, that means having to deal with people that you don't particularly like. If you're not willing to put effort into your work because your teacher is an "asshat", then I doubt you'd be very good at anything except complaining. You need to give up that shitty entitled attitude because you're not special, you're just like every other Swedish kid that spends too much time on the Internet. Not to mention, chances are that your boss will be an asshat just like your teacher is. Guess what? Still have to work. Welcome to real life. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On June 03 2012 03:50 sereniity wrote: You don't have to do a certain thing about 50 times to prove that, according to your logic it's fine if he proves it in the final exams, right? So, I assume you are a proponent of the one final exam to measure everything approach. This is fine. It's how some classes, especially in college, are. However, are you appropriately measuring those students who have some sort of test anxiety, or is sick, or has a number of courses all with the one test of the semester on that day ? I'm not saying one final exam for all the marbles is or is not the way to go. I am saying that each student knows up front how their grade will be determined. That is all that matters. Students don't make classroom rules, teachers and administrators do. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
Zeros don't mean anything. It just means that the student didn't turn in their work. It could be for a number of reasons, but alot of administrations and school districts in the United States are doing away with teachers failing students on the grounds of not turning in homework, not doing work, etc. because it doesn't reflect the potential or learning ability of the student at all, only their work ethic. 95% of the homework teachers send students home with is mostly garbage anyways, and anything that is worthwhile that is sent home is mostly done by parents (usually major projects and such). And to those who believe that zeros and bad grades will motivate students, you're pretty much flat out wrong. Bad grades and zeroes demotivate students more than anything, especially when the teacher just simply gives it out without explaining why (which is what occurs more often than not) students did poorly, or why they received a zero. If you're teaching at a Title I school in the United States, you bet your ass you'll lose your job real fast if you're dishing out zeroes and trying to fail students on the grounds of not doing out of class assignments. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
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najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
now I don't hand stuff in late EVER | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
After all my effort to do my assignments on time, I deserve a better grade then those lazy morons who partied all weekend. I also hate it when teachers give extensions on assignments on the DAY the assignment was to be turned in. It was basically,"Hey you lazy bastards, here's a freebie". | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On June 03 2012 07:10 Angel_ wrote: If the sole purpose of school were to teach you mastery of a variety of subjects, some of you would have a point. It isn't though; school also serves to mold you into a "proper" member of society, and it turns out that learning to do pointless bullshit is a big part of that. It's fine to argue about whether or not that's right, or whether or not schools should do that, but sitting and arguing, "o well he was getting a's on his tests so that's stupid!" is...well, it's just stupid. He's a student; it's his job to do what his teacher fucking tells him to do, not what he feels like he should because he's smart enough to ace his tests. And the major reason why teachers and schools are beginning to not dish out zeroes is because it doesn't hold students accountable at all. Most at risk students who receive a zero or failing grade aren't going to fix the problem at all. They'll just continue receiving them. Administrators want you to hold students accountable in a different way; handing a kid a zero is simply the easy way out. It's lazy as shit really. | ||
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