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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#17441
If Obama meant to call the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism in the Rose Garden, he wouldn't have waffled on the issue for weeks thereafter. It's as simple as that. Y'all are being duped.
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 17 2012 18:56 GMT
#17442
On October 18 2012 03:55 xDaunt wrote:
If Obama meant to call the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism in the Rose Garden, he wouldn't have waffled on the issue for weeks thereafter. It's as simple as that. Y'all are being duped.


Exactly.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
October 17 2012 18:56 GMT
#17443
On October 18 2012 03:44 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:34 Souma wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:29 Innovation wrote:
Something seems off about your guys' argument.

Romney didn't predict anything. He blatantly mistook a message given by the Benghazi consulate as the words of Obama and tried to score political points with it and ultimately failed.

Or are we discussing something else?



What's worse. Pointing out your opponents failures for political gain during a presidential campaign season or trying to cover up a terrorist attack and a failure of policy that cost Americans their lives for political gain during a presidential campaign season?

The Obama administration either is flat out incompetent in their policy and their response to this tragedy or it's been blatantly lying to the American people to avoid political fall-out. There are no other options between these two scenarios. Either way its appropriate for Romney to question during a political season or any season for that matter.

Everyone should be concerned by his administrations response and by it's failed policies.


I don't care what's worse. I'm pointing out a fact.


No, that is your opinion, I disagree with it too. I think Obama camp took a big hit from the Bengazi scandal, so saying "score political points with it and ultimately failed" is certainly NOT a fact.

Considering the little game of reading comprehension failure you've just played out for the thread, I'm inclined to consider your assessment of the "facts" rather suspect. But, by all means, continue on with the partisan hackery turned language arts magic. It behooves the campaign you champion.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 17 2012 18:56 GMT
#17444
On October 18 2012 03:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:48 cLAN.Anax wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:41 Deathmanbob wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:36 kmillz wrote:

That stupid CNN moderator lied when she said:

“He did in fact say it was an act of terror"

Since when is it HER job to be fact-checker first of all? Second of all, if she is going to be picking sides, she may as well have her facts straight at least.

Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya

Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

END
10:48 A.M. EDT


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

No where do I see him calling it an act of terror.


No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation


reading is a good skill, or so i've been told



Sketchy. I could see one saying that this attack is inferred as an "act of terror," and yet Obama did not outright refer to the attack in the context of this. + Show Spoiler [Personal opinion] +
Still, I myself am inclined to believe Obama meant the Ambassador Stevens incident.


It's part of speaking eloquently. Anyone that tries to argue that he wasn't referring to both 9/11 and this attack as an act of terror is either delusional or doesn't have a complete grasp of the English language.


His "eloquence" must be improving. I'm surprised he didn't begin that statement with, "Let me make it (absolutely) clear," lol.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
October 17 2012 18:57 GMT
#17445
On October 18 2012 03:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:24 Kimaker wrote:
Romney wins first debate: Romney is a liar.

Obama wins second debate: Obama is a cheater

Gotta love that American partisanship xD

Looking around the landscape today, I'm not so sure that Obama scored anything more than a technical victory last night. Take a look at these post-debate polls:

CBS News:
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Moments following the debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., 37 percent of voters polled said the president won, 30 percent awarded the victory to Romney, and 33 percent called it a tie. After some particularly animated exchanges between the two candidates, 55 percent of voters said Mr. Obama gave direct answers, but 49 percent also said that about Romney.

As for who would do a better job of handling the economy, the president made some headway on closing that gap. Before the debate, 71 percent said they believed Romney would, while only 27 percent said they thought Obama would; after the debate, 34 percent said the president would better handle the economy, with 65 percent saying Romney would.

Obama would also be more likely to help the middle class, according to 56 percent of voters after the debate, compared with 43 percent who said that about Romney.


CNN:
Show nested quote +
The major post debate polls are showing most debate watchers think President Obama was
the winner — and a typical finding comes in the CNN post-debate poll of registered voters who actually watched the debate.
They were 33 percent Democratic and 33 percent Republican — which means it’s weighted a bit to include about 8 percent more Republicans than the voting population as a whole.

Bottom line: by 46-39 percent, the CNN.com poll respondents called Obama the winner. But asked who did the debate make you more likely to vote for, the respondents were tied between Romney and Obama, 25-25 percent.

Still, Romney won in other key areas:
*On who would better handle the economy: 58 percent Romney; 40 percent Obama.
*On who would better handle health care: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On taxes: 51 percent Romney; 44 percent Obama
*On who is a stronger leader: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On who is more likeable: 47 percent Obama: 41 percent Romney
*On who cares more about your life: 44 percent Obama; 40 percent Romney
*On who answered more directly: 45 percent Romney; 43 percent Obama


If those are in fact the numbers, particularly on handling the economy, Obama is dead meat.


Oh, I by no means think he's in the clear. Far from it, El Presidente is in trouble and short of Romney having a meltdown and having a racist tirade I don't think that will change any time soon.

I was simply commenting on the ridiculous partisanship when the debates are viewed in their own little bubble. Crazy stuff.
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 17 2012 18:58 GMT
#17446
On October 18 2012 03:56 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:44 kmillz wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:34 Souma wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:29 Innovation wrote:
Something seems off about your guys' argument.

Romney didn't predict anything. He blatantly mistook a message given by the Benghazi consulate as the words of Obama and tried to score political points with it and ultimately failed.

Or are we discussing something else?



What's worse. Pointing out your opponents failures for political gain during a presidential campaign season or trying to cover up a terrorist attack and a failure of policy that cost Americans their lives for political gain during a presidential campaign season?

The Obama administration either is flat out incompetent in their policy and their response to this tragedy or it's been blatantly lying to the American people to avoid political fall-out. There are no other options between these two scenarios. Either way its appropriate for Romney to question during a political season or any season for that matter.

Everyone should be concerned by his administrations response and by it's failed policies.


I don't care what's worse. I'm pointing out a fact.


No, that is your opinion, I disagree with it too. I think Obama camp took a big hit from the Bengazi scandal, so saying "score political points with it and ultimately failed" is certainly NOT a fact.

Considering the little game of reading comprehension failure you've just played out for the thread, I'm inclined to consider your assessment of the "facts" rather suspect. But, by all means, continue on with the partisan hackery turned language arts magic. It behooves the campaign you champion.


I think the reading comprehension failure is on your part, read the next 2 weeks of what Obama camp has to say about the anti-Islamic video and how it resulted in the attack.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 17 2012 19:03 GMT
#17447
well shit, i didn't realize you need to boldly declare terrorist attack with a pending investigation. el mejor presidente romney would certainly have condemned the muslims without any.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 19:09:26
October 17 2012 19:07 GMT
#17448
On October 18 2012 04:03 oneofthem wrote:
well shit, i didn't realize you need to boldly declare terrorist attack with a pending investigation. el mejor presidente romney would certainly have condemned the muslims without any.

The problem is that the administration didn't just say that they were "investigating." Multiple officials, including Obama, Secretary Clinton, and the UN ambassador, all blamed that stupid video.

EDIT: In fact, I believe it was the UN ambassador who even said that "there was no evidence of terrorism."
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
October 17 2012 19:11 GMT
#17449
Quotes about what happened from state department officials

"The ambassador walked guests out at 8:30 p.m. or so." This is the night of the attack on 9/11. "There was nobody on the street." This is about the possible protests before the attack. "There was nobody on the street" according to this call with two senior State Department officials. Then at 9:30 p.m. they saw on the security cameras at the consulate that there were armed men invading the compound. Again, no protest, no spontaneous protest. There were armed men invading the compound. Quote, "Everything is calm at 8:30 p.m., nothing unusual. There had been nothing unusual during the day outside all day. And then the attack."


This was known by the State department within 24 hours yet everyone in the Obama administration continued to call it the result of a "spontaneous demonstration resulting from an offensive YouTube video" for 14 days. It has irrefutably been shown that it was not the video that caused this attack and that there was intelligence early on to prove it and that the administration either simply was totally and completely incompetent because it couldn't get the story right for two weeks despite the information being available or it was trying to cover up the administrations failed policies and failure to protect its ambassador.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 17 2012 19:12 GMT
#17450
we'll have to know the internal communications and analysis reports on this stuff. the video did cause a big impact and they may have fallen into a causal trap with it being the closest, significant event.

there's no question that there was an intelligence gap that allowed this attack to go down. you could argue they were a bit slow to get to the bottom of things. but there is hardly any ground for declaring it a cover-up as opposed to a case of incompetence.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 17 2012 19:14 GMT
#17451
I honestly don't see how it's not clear that the speech and specifically the lines referring to terror do not refer to the two incidents together.

I think that the debate hurt Romney though as far as further lowering his chances with women voters. I'm not sure that it will change much considering how poorly he was perceived by women beforehand but his ignorance of the challenges that women around the USA face in finding jobs, pay equality and women's rights in general.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 17 2012 19:15 GMT
#17452
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.
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armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
October 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#17453
I think it shows how little that Romney can attack Obamas record that this is the only point that you all continue to harp on. Grasping at straws. If you cared so much about lying you wouldn't be voting for Romney.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#17454
On October 18 2012 04:17 armada[sb] wrote:
I think it shows how little that Romney can attack Obamas record that this is the only point that you all continue to harp on. Grasping at straws. If you cared so much about lying you wouldn't be voting for Romney.

Are you joking? Romney absolutely shat on Obama's horrible record last night.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 17 2012 19:21 GMT
#17455
On October 18 2012 04:17 armada[sb] wrote:
I think it shows how little that Romney can attack Obamas record that this is the only point that you all continue to harp on. Grasping at straws. If you cared so much about lying you wouldn't be voting for Romney.


Perhaps Romney can't attack Obama's record because, even though he's had four years as Pres., he doesn't have a record to attack?...
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Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
October 17 2012 19:23 GMT
#17456
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.


Romney could have been better in his response but it becomes difficult to respond when the moderator is interrupting him to defend Obama which is not her role as a moderator. There were plenty of chances for her to do the same with outright lies that the president said during the debate but she never "fact checked" Obama the way that she tried to shut down Romney last night. It certainly points to her leanings.

Whether Romney could have done a better job in the debate with that question or not has nothing to do with the facts of what the Obama administration has done with the Benghazi attack. Is the only thing you can say when presented with facts is a troll "U MAD?" response?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 19:28 GMT
#17457
On October 18 2012 04:23 Innovation wrote:
Show nested quote +
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.


Romney could have been better in his response but it becomes difficult to respond when the moderator is interrupting him to defend Obama which is not her role as a moderator. There were plenty of chances for her to do the same with outright lies that the president said during the debate but she never "fact checked" Obama the way that she tried to shut down Romney last night. It certainly points to her leanings.

Whether Romney could have done a better job in the debate with that question or not has nothing to do with the facts of what the Obama administration has done with the Benghazi attack. Is the only thing you can say when presented with facts is a troll "U MAD?" response?

All last night did was delay the inevitable. The Libya issue will come up again Monday, and Romney will get it right then. It's too easy of an issue to screw up twice on. Last night's debate isn't going to matter.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 17 2012 19:30 GMT
#17458
On October 18 2012 04:23 Innovation wrote:
Show nested quote +
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.


Romney could have been better in his response but it becomes difficult to respond when the moderator is interrupting him to defend Obama which is not her role as a moderator. There were plenty of chances for her to do the same with outright lies that the president said during the debate but she never "fact checked" Obama the way that she tried to shut down Romney last night. It certainly points to her leanings.


I only caught the tail end of the debate, but I didn't think the moderator was all that bad or biased, 'least the part that I watched. Could have been a better moderator quality-wise (better speaker perhaps), but still pretty fair to both candidates in my opinion.
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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
October 17 2012 19:36 GMT
#17459
On October 18 2012 04:28 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 04:23 Innovation wrote:
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.


Romney could have been better in his response but it becomes difficult to respond when the moderator is interrupting him to defend Obama which is not her role as a moderator. There were plenty of chances for her to do the same with outright lies that the president said during the debate but she never "fact checked" Obama the way that she tried to shut down Romney last night. It certainly points to her leanings.

Whether Romney could have done a better job in the debate with that question or not has nothing to do with the facts of what the Obama administration has done with the Benghazi attack. Is the only thing you can say when presented with facts is a troll "U MAD?" response?

All last night did was delay the inevitable. The Libya issue will come up again Monday, and Romney will get it right then. It's too easy of an issue to screw up twice on. Last night's debate isn't going to matter.


We'll see. If it's the same Obama that came out in the last debate then Romney wont be gaining much, and perhaps even be losing when he shouldn't.
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
October 17 2012 19:37 GMT
#17460
On October 18 2012 04:23 Innovation wrote:
Show nested quote +
someone's mad their boy romney fumbled the benghazi point yesterday.


Romney could have been better in his response but it becomes difficult to respond when the moderator is interrupting him to defend Obama which is not her role as a moderator. There were plenty of chances for her to do the same with outright lies that the president said during the debate but she never "fact checked" Obama the way that she tried to shut down Romney last night. It certainly points to her leanings.

Whether Romney could have done a better job in the debate with that question or not has nothing to do with the facts of what the Obama administration has done with the Benghazi attack. Is the only thing you can say when presented with facts is a troll "U MAD?" response?

Crowley didn't defend Obama. Obama defended Obama. He said Romney was wrong and prompted a fact check. Here's the exact transcript:


OBAMA: The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also said that we’re going to hunt down those who committed this crime.

ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

OBAMA: That’s what I said.

ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror.

It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you’re saying?

OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.


And a link to the video excerpt can be found here. If you think the moderator shouldn't be allowed to end the dispute of a fact check when prompted, you may be a tad bit biased here.
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