President Obama Re-Elected - Page 872

On October 18 2012 01:28 xDaunt wrote:

There's nothing false about what Romney said. Period. Obama spent weeks blaming the attack on the video, thereby "sympathizing with terrorists." That was as irresponsible as it was stupid, and Romney absolutely should point that out.

On October 18 2012 02:28 turdburgler wrote:
heres the only thing thats false in the whole debacle. obama was just repeating what his best information at the time said. was the information accurate? clearly not entirely. but he was telling the american people what he knew, while trusting his intellegence people to keep working.

romney on the other hand released a 100% false partisan piece on the same day using a misunderstanding of how time flows in a linear direction to place blame where it did not exist, he was not just wrong, he was actively lying.

this much doesnt seem up for debate, and yet in order to attempt to score points, both you and romney seem desperate to catch obama out. romney had a gleam in his eye when he thought he could nail obama on the mis-communication, but his own failure to speak properly, led him to get stuck in his own trap.

now if i was a partisan hack i could point out that obama has a proven record on listening to his advisors, working with the best information and getting results (killing osama) so you can trust him to get to the bottom of this, get the right people in the right places and bring the murderers to justice. where as bush (who had many of the same advisors as romney has now hired) showed that he would happily ignore the best information he had because it didnt fit his narrative of the US being a strong untouchable beast under his leadership, no one would dare strike the US with a repub in charge! romney, although not bush, is a man of few commitments, but by hiring the same people as bush did to advise him, the one thing he is committing to is to fuck up on the world stage in the exact same ways.

On October 18 2012 02:38 xDaunt wrote:


The point is that Obama clearly wasn't giving the best information that he had at the time. Various intelligence and state department officials have already admitted that they knew "within 24 hours" that it was a terrorist attacks. Shit, they had live fucking video from surveillance cameras and drones. Yet, Obama's administration peddled the video garbage and refused to label the attack a terrorist attack for weeks. None of this is even debatable.



Did Romney "shoot from the hip?" Yep. Was he correct? Yep.

EDIT: If you assume that Obama had incomplete information for weeks (which is absurd), then Obama also shot from the hip by blaming the attack on the video. The difference is that he was clearly wrong.



Here's what you don't seem willing to accept: this isn't merely an instance of the Obama administration being caught flat-footed during the first 24 or even 48 hours after an incident. This is an instance of the Obama administration LYING to the American people for weeks in the face of overwhelming evidence.



Nonsense. Sure, Obama -- like all other presidents -- has subordinates upon whom he relies for information, etc. However, given the facts discussed above regarding who knew what and when, there are only two logical explanations for the administration's actions. The first is that Obama's subordinates were grossly negligent and incompetent in carrying out their assigned duties. If that's the case, then why hasn't anyone been fired? The only other explanation is that the Obama administration intentionally mislead the American public, which I believe to be the case.

Something seems off about your guys' argument.

Romney didn't predict anything. He blatantly mistook a message given by the Benghazi consulate as the words of Obama and tried to score political points with it and ultimately failed.

Or are we discussing something else?

On October 18 2012 03:24 Kimaker wrote:
Romney wins first debate: Romney is a liar.

Obama wins second debate: Obama is a cheater

Gotta love that American partisanship xD

Moments following the debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., 37 percent of voters polled said the president won, 30 percent awarded the victory to Romney, and 33 percent called it a tie. After some particularly animated exchanges between the two candidates, 55 percent of voters said Mr. Obama gave direct answers, but 49 percent also said that about Romney.

As for who would do a better job of handling the economy, the president made some headway on closing that gap. Before the debate, 71 percent said they believed Romney would, while only 27 percent said they thought Obama would; after the debate, 34 percent said the president would better handle the economy, with 65 percent saying Romney would.

Obama would also be more likely to help the middle class, according to 56 percent of voters after the debate, compared with 43 percent who said that about Romney.

The major post debate polls are showing most debate watchers think President Obama was
the winner — and a typical finding comes in the CNN post-debate poll of registered voters who actually watched the debate.
They were 33 percent Democratic and 33 percent Republican — which means it’s weighted a bit to include about 8 percent more Republicans than the voting population as a whole.

Bottom line: by 46-39 percent, the CNN.com poll respondents called Obama the winner. But asked who did the debate make you more likely to vote for, the respondents were tied between Romney and Obama, 25-25 percent.

Still, Romney won in other key areas:
*On who would better handle the economy: 58 percent Romney; 40 percent Obama.
*On who would better handle health care: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On taxes: 51 percent Romney; 44 percent Obama
*On who is a stronger leader: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On who is more likeable: 47 percent Obama: 41 percent Romney
*On who cares more about your life: 44 percent Obama; 40 percent Romney
*On who answered more directly: 45 percent Romney; 43 percent Obama

On October 18 2012 03:29 Innovation wrote:



What's worse. Pointing out your opponents failures for political gain during a presidential campaign season or trying to cover up a terrorist attack and a failure of policy that cost Americans their lives for political gain during a presidential campaign season?

The Obama administration either is flat out incompetent in their policy and their response to this tragedy or it's been blatantly lying to the American people to avoid political fall-out. There are no other options between these two scenarios. Either way its appropriate for Romney to question during a political season or any season for that matter.

Everyone should be concerned by his administrations response and by it's failed policies.

On October 18 2012 03:29 Innovation wrote:



What's worse. Pointing out your opponents failures for political gain during a presidential campaign season or trying to cover up a terrorist attack and a failure of policy that cost Americans their lives for political gain during a presidential campaign season?

The Obama administration either is flat out incompetent in their policy and their response to this tragedy or it's been blatantly lying to the American people to avoid political fall-out. There are no other options between these two scenarios. Either way its appropriate for Romney to question during a political season or any season for that matter.

Everyone should be concerned by his administrations response and by it's failed policies.

Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya

Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

END
10:48 A.M. EDT

On October 18 2012 03:36 kmillz wrote:

That stupid CNN moderator lied when she said:

“He did in fact say it was an act of terror"

Since when is it HER job to be fact-checker first of all? Second of all, if she is going to be picking sides, she may as well have her facts straight at least.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

No where do I see him calling it an act of terror.

On October 18 2012 03:33 xDaunt wrote:
If those are in fact the numbers, particularly on handling the economy, Obama is dead meat.

On October 18 2012 03:34 Souma wrote:


I don't care what's worse. I'm pointing out a fact.

On October 18 2012 03:44 kmillz wrote:


No, that is your opinion, I disagree with it too. I think Obama camp took a big hit from the Bengazi scandal, so saying "score political points with it and ultimately failed" is certainly NOT a fact.

On October 18 2012 03:41 Deathmanbob wrote:


No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation


reading is a good skill, or so i've been told

On October 18 2012 03:36 kmillz wrote:
No where do I see him calling it an act of terror.

On October 18 2012 03:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:


Made it bold for you, since you apparently have a hard time reading. The structure of the speech clearly lumps the Benghazi attack and 9/11 together as "acts of terror".