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On October 12 2012 12:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:No offense, but the base of the people that use all those sites does not seem terribly useful for representative purposes.
The more respectable, and less focused on getting their spin out there, will take a bit longer, or at least should.
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nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah
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On October 12 2012 12:08 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:06 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 12:01 Souma wrote:
It comes down to a simple scenario.
Two kids. Academic ability exactly the same. They both apply to Harvard. One kid came from a middle-class family with a single mother. The other was born into the family of two wealthy Harvard graduates who have been boosting the school with donations.
They've both worked equally as hard. Do they both have equal chances of getting accepted into Harvard?
Yeah, hard work totally means everything. Is Harvard somehow necessary for success in life? How is that not a complete dodge of the question? The question is can anyone rise from poverty in America. My father is living proof that you can. He went from getting kicked out of his home and living in his car in Idaho, to owning 4 homes. You could call that luck, but I've seen first hand that he works his ass off 7 days a week to get what he wants. He doesn't watch TV at 5 and blame the system for his problems. That does not change the very real statistical fact that America lags behind most first world countries in terms of social mobility. Apparently you don't think that this is a problem?
This is the part where he says those not succeeding are just lazy, good-for-nothings who would rather mooch off the government. Right?
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On October 12 2012 12:04 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:00 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:56 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:54 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:50 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. yeah man, that kid raised in the ghetto with no dad and a mom who can barely pay the bills, has the same "fair" shot as the rich white kid who gets his parents to pay for his college He does just like them he can not be discriminated against for anything except what his work value is and what his willing to do to get where he wants to go. Everyone has the same opportunity he just like the white kid's parents who worked hard FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON that their kid would not have to go through the trials and tribulations they did. yeah man, the white kid chose to be born into the rich wealthy family, and the black kid, well he chose wrong Neither of them chose anything with their birth but the white kid can choose to do drugs and become a meth head and the black kid and get a full time job and work his way through college for free if he studies hard enough. yeah man, its the same fair shot. One has the luxury of choosing to be a meth head and still possibly succeed Not true normally but if he does it is on the blood sweat and tears of his family who worked to ensure that that is a possibility for him just like the poor individual would if he should become wealthy on his own.
yeah man, its the same fair shot
do you want me to keep going? or Do I have to explain to you that one has to work MUCH harder than the other?
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i only clicked the dailycaller..... but there was nothing on there that said ryan won
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On October 12 2012 12:05 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
We have taxes that make products produced inside the country highly ineficent profit wise to say otherwise is wrong items like Iphones would quadruple in cost if made in the USA and minimum wage in this country is high because the level it is at is unneeded raising it from where it was at only creates inflation.
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On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah
I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages)
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On October 12 2012 12:10 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:05 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. We have taxes that make products produced inside the country highly ineficent profit wise to say otherwise is wrong items like Iphones would quadruple in cost if made in the USA and minimum wage in this country is high because the level it is at is unneeded raising it from where it was at only creates inflation.
Are you suggesting that we should have a minimum wage comparable to China?
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On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages)
Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs.
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On October 12 2012 12:10 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:05 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. We have taxes that make products produced inside the country highly ineficent profit wise to say otherwise is wrong items like Iphones would quadruple in cost if made in the USA and minimum wage in this country is high because the level it is at is unneeded raising it from where it was at only creates inflation.
Not true at all. The high price of the iphone is due to the apple name. Building it is not nearly that expensive.
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On October 12 2012 12:06 Zooper31 wrote:And it's interesting to note that biased websites had biased polls?
He said he just googled them. It's important to note that any online poll that isn't widely displayed is going to be highly biased.
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On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs.
Haha, I kind of feel like this is an Exposed moment XD
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On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648
Is cnbc conservatively biased?
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So tired of them talking about Memes and what is trending on twitter....
So pathetic.
Let's talk about issues not #Biddnelaughing
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On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs.
What about google results for people that only ever search in anonymous mode and never login to google before they search anything, would their results be personalized also?
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On October 12 2012 12:13 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648Is cnbc conservatively biased?
Less conservative bias than the daily caller, but more conservative bias than MSNBC
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On October 12 2012 12:13 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648Is cnbc conservatively biased?
I don't know what you think I claimed, but it has nothing to do with that.
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On October 12 2012 12:12 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:10 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 12:05 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
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Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. We have taxes that make products produced inside the country highly ineficent profit wise to say otherwise is wrong items like Iphones would quadruple in cost if made in the USA and minimum wage in this country is high because the level it is at is unneeded raising it from where it was at only creates inflation. Are you suggesting that we should have a minimum wage comparable to China?
We all know how great people in China have it. Why not? Slave labor baby here we come!
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On October 12 2012 12:10 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:05 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. We have taxes that make products produced inside the country highly ineficent profit wise to say otherwise is wrong items like Iphones would quadruple in cost if made in the USA and minimum wage in this country is high because the level it is at is unneeded raising it from where it was at only creates inflation.
Unfortunately it's not just taxes and minimum wage...
Competing with China in manufacturing:
Gas prices, raw material availability, worker wages, worker incentive to unionize, worker working conditions, health and safety oversight, governmental preference (to compete overseas), and many more.
A lot of those should not be sacrificed, in my opinion...
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On October 12 2012 12:15 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:13 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648Is cnbc conservatively biased? I don't know what you think I claimed, but it has nothing to do with that.
Well just to test your theory I typed in news and the top search was CNN followed by Fox news followed by yahoo, abc, nbc, and local news. If what you are suggesting says it caters to my interests than it would show that my interests are in reading news on both sides.
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