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On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm)
Social mobility in the U.S. is lower than the majority of developed nations, including highly socialized nations like Denmark and Norway.
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Just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, surprisingly all of them gave Ryan the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Ryan to 65%-35% Ryan.
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On October 12 2012 11:55 kmillz wrote:
Just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, surprisingly all of them gave Ryan the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Ryan to 65%-35% Ryan.
you missed the one at the top of google news which had biden at ~60/40
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On October 12 2012 11:55 kmillz wrote:
Just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, surprisingly all of them gave Ryan the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Ryan to 65%-35% Ryan.
That's funny, because I just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, unsurprisingly all of them gave Biden the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Biden to 65%-35% Biden.
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On October 12 2012 11:54 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:50 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. yeah man, that kid raised in the ghetto with no dad and a mom who can barely pay the bills, has the same "fair" shot as the rich white kid who gets his parents to pay for his college He does just like them he can not be discriminated against for anything except what his work value is and what his willing to do to get where he wants to go. Everyone has the same opportunity he just like the white kid's parents who worked hard FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON that their kid would not have to go through the trials and tribulations they did.
yeah man, the white kid chose to be born into the rich wealthy family, and the black kid, well he chose wrong
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On October 12 2012 11:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) Social mobility in the U.S. is lower than the majority of developed nations, including highly socialized nations like Denmark and Norway.
Denmark and Norway also are about 1/50 the size of the USA as a whole.
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On October 12 2012 11:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:55 kmillz wrote:
Just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, surprisingly all of them gave Ryan the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Ryan to 65%-35% Ryan. That's funny, because I just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, unsurprisingly all of them gave Biden the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Biden to 65%-35% Biden.
Does anyone know what betting agencies are saying?
I trust them more than flash polls, people are more honest with money on the line.
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I didn't think Biden was particularly rude, but whatever it doesn't matter. Biden could have gone junk yard dog on Ryan and Obama would still appear calm, polite, and presidential after the first debate. Win win if you ask me.
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On October 12 2012 11:55 kmillz wrote:
Just checked like 5 different polls online to see who most people think won the debate, surprisingly all of them gave Ryan the win. Ranging from 55%-45% Ryan to 65%-35% Ryan.
I'm guessing that is a result of Biden's antics.
Krauthammer just said that the winner of the debate depends upon how one received it. If someone read the transcript, it was even. If someone watched it on TV, Biden lost. If someone heard it on radio, Biden won. I'm not sure that I agree with him, but it is an interesting point.
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can i haz links to flash polls for the debate?
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On October 12 2012 11:56 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:54 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:50 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. yeah man, that kid raised in the ghetto with no dad and a mom who can barely pay the bills, has the same "fair" shot as the rich white kid who gets his parents to pay for his college He does just like them he can not be discriminated against for anything except what his work value is and what his willing to do to get where he wants to go. Everyone has the same opportunity he just like the white kid's parents who worked hard FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON that their kid would not have to go through the trials and tribulations they did. yeah man, the white kid chose to be born into the rich wealthy family, and the black kid, well he chose wrong
Neither of them chose anything with their birth but the white kid can choose to do drugs and become a meth head and the black kid and get a full time job and work his way through college for free if he studies hard enough.
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On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm)
I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc.
I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government.
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On October 12 2012 11:58 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:56 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:54 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:50 biology]major wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. yeah man, that kid raised in the ghetto with no dad and a mom who can barely pay the bills, has the same "fair" shot as the rich white kid who gets his parents to pay for his college He does just like them he can not be discriminated against for anything except what his work value is and what his willing to do to get where he wants to go. Everyone has the same opportunity he just like the white kid's parents who worked hard FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON that their kid would not have to go through the trials and tribulations they did. yeah man, the white kid chose to be born into the rich wealthy family, and the black kid, well he chose wrong Neither of them chose anything with their birth but the white kid can choose to do drugs and become a meth head and the black kid and get a full time job and work his way through college for free if he studies hard enough.
yeah man, its the same fair shot. One has the luxury of choosing to be a meth head and still possibly succeed
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If you want to talk about American fairness, the issue that you people should be talking about is not whether or not you were born in a good socioeconomic status, it's whether or not you have both parents, and if they're worth a damn.
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On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:51 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:46 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. Actually we do a ton to promote growth we have freaking programs to feed anyone who can't feed themselves programs for every medical or school need. What else do you want? Do you want free money do you think everyone should start rich from Bitch 10 million in the bank and a house with a white picket fence no matter what you do? Where does it end? It doesn't that is where at some point you have to work the government isn't here to prevent you from failing it life its to protect your life and insure others are not in your way (by murder or harm) I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government.
ACA is not Socialized healthcare. It's regulation. I have no idea what you mean because ACA is not a government takeover of healthcare by any normal definition.
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If ryan won according to polls it must be because he is young and biden is old.
Maybe ryan represents "change" better then the seasoned biden.
Think what the candidates say is pretty irrelevant btw, and its mostly how people come across what makes the winner(see romney winning first debate while apearently using a few lies)
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It comes down to a simple scenario.
Two kids. Academic ability exactly the same. They both apply to Harvard. One kid came from a middle-class family with a single mother. The other was born into the family of two wealthy Harvard graduates who have been boosting the school with donations.
They've both worked equally as hard. Do they both have equal chances of getting accepted into Harvard?
Yeah, hard work totally means everything.
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Things we all got from tonight's debate I think:
-Obama would be best off meeting about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way between his performance a week ago and Biden's tonight at the next debates
-Ryan has officially come out and said they would not attempt to reverse Roe v. Wade with their court appointments
-Romney would do well to develop a few more specifics when Obama inevitably mentions lack of specifics
-moderators should meet halfway between a week ago and tonight
-Ryan did not come off as a policy wonk (questionable, this may not be agreed on by all)
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