EPTPresident Obama Re-Elected - Page 771
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back. Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote: The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded. I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote: Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m. but if you see fit to make it to 100m but someone keeps putting hurdles in your way you can reserve the right to be pissed off. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote: Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful. having an opportunity does not mean it is a fair opportunity, which is the crux of the issue. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:45 ampson wrote: I don't feel like either candidate won. I feel like ryan is clearly smarter, but biden relates to the people better, especially the seniors who always turn out to vote. So the democrats probably got the better of this one, but not by much. When you have a debate on a national scale in the US, saying things like "Malarky! Folks, who you gonna trust?" *Grin* are very successful. | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:46 turdburgler wrote: but if you see fit to make it to 100m but someone keeps putting hurdles in your way you can reserve the right to be pissed off. Who is stopping you but yourself and those wasting your hard earned money? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:47 DoubleReed wrote: I have no idea what people are talking about with the moderator. I thought she was highly biased towards Ryan. He kept getting like way more time, and then she says that Biden didn't get any time to respond. Malarky. You are nuts. | ||
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SayGen
United States1209 Posts
He was extremely rude, and laughing is not something I want from a leader. Ryan appeared 'unprepared'. Hard to judge what he was saying with all the intrerruptions. It was clear though that Biden was trying to appeal to the base While Ryan went after the much more needed 'independent' vote. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:39 Risen wrote: Can't argue with this lol. I really wish they'd have a social issues debate for the people like me... who cares about the economy :< Yeah, I would definitely like to hear more social issues like the death penalty, gay marriage, etc. The economy is just subject to them saying A claims X about B's plan, B says A is wrong, and his plan is Y and that A's plan is really X. Every. Fucking. Time. But I suppose I don't like either set of candidates, so I won't be happy regardless. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote: Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful. This in no way shape or form has anything to do with having a fair shot. If one child has a 99% chance to succeed and another has .000001% chance to succeed due to family or genetics, you can't honestly call these chances "fair" by any definition, even though both children technically have the opportunity to succeed. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:47 Deathmanbob wrote: Fox news just trying to be a dick to biden I don't know what Fox is saying but CNN wasn't crazy about Biden's demeanor. | ||
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Minus`
United States174 Posts
Overall, thought the debate was interesting. Thread's still too active to figure out y'all we're arguing whether or not everyone has an equal chance to succeed, though. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:44 xDaunt wrote: I will say this. I was very disappointed in Ryan's performance. He should have been better with many of his answers. Yes, he had a really rough set of circumstances to deal with, but I still expected more. I agree. Then again, I've always agreed with Democrats that Ryan was mostly a fraud pretending to be good at policy so I didn't expect him to do well at all. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote: Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful. But it's not a "fair shot" if some people have a better shot and easier time than others, is it? Or at least for most definitions of fair. | ||
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote: Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m. Or the finish line is an analogy for a job and I beat out some hardworking chap just because I have family connections in the company, no matter how hard he works I always win just due to the luck of being born where I was. Wealth propagates wealth, if you aren't born into a connected family it is getting harder and harder to get those good jobs since you don't have the connections that can pull strings. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Are you kidding? Ryan got way more time than Biden on practically everything. It's a good thing Biden was interrupting or he wouldn't have been able to say jack shit. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:48 CajunMan wrote: Who is stopping you but yourself and those wasting your hard earned money? your implying through this shitty metaphor that only the government can hold you back? | ||
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