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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
October 12 2012 02:45 GMT
#15401
I don't feel like either candidate won. I feel like ryan is clearly smarter, but biden relates to the people better, especially the seniors who always turn out to vote. So the democrats probably got the better of this one, but not by much.
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
October 12 2012 02:46 GMT
#15402
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.


I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.



Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 12 2012 02:46 GMT
#15403
On October 12 2012 11:44 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.


The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded.


I think that's fine - except there's quite a lot that impede upon the lower classes' ability to rise amongst the ranks. And I do think the government, over time, has done a lot to remove those impediments.
Yargh
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2012 02:46 GMT
#15404
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.


I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.



Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m.


but if you see fit to make it to 100m but someone keeps putting hurdles in your way you can reserve the right to be pissed off.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
October 12 2012 02:46 GMT
#15405
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:43 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.

^I can agree with. But that does not in anyway mean
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
Yes, everyone gets a fair shot.

In fact, it's pretty much an admittance that it isn't...


Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful.


having an opportunity does not mean it is a fair opportunity, which is the crux of the issue.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 12 2012 02:47 GMT
#15406
I have no idea what people are talking about with the moderator. I thought she was highly biased towards Ryan. He kept getting like way more time, and then she says that Biden didn't get any time to respond. Malarky.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 02:47:53
October 12 2012 02:47 GMT
#15407
On October 12 2012 11:45 ampson wrote:
I don't feel like either candidate won. I feel like ryan is clearly smarter, but biden relates to the people better, especially the seniors who always turn out to vote. So the democrats probably got the better of this one, but not by much.

When you have a debate on a national scale in the US, saying things like "Malarky! Folks, who you gonna trust?" *Grin*
are very successful.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2012 02:47 GMT
#15408
Fox news just trying to be a dick to biden
No Artosis, you are robin
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15409
On October 12 2012 11:46 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.


I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.



Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m.


but if you see fit to make it to 100m but someone keeps putting hurdles in your way you can reserve the right to be pissed off.


Who is stopping you but yourself and those wasting your hard earned money?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15410
On October 12 2012 11:47 DoubleReed wrote:
I have no idea what people are talking about with the moderator. I thought she was highly biased towards Ryan. He kept getting like way more time, and then she says that Biden didn't get any time to respond. Malarky.

You are nuts.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15411
Biden got more 'floor' time. Very bias.
He was extremely rude, and laughing is not something I want from a leader.

Ryan appeared 'unprepared'.
Hard to judge what he was saying with all the intrerruptions.

It was clear though that Biden was trying to appeal to the base
While Ryan went after the much more needed 'independent' vote.
We Live to Die
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15412
On October 12 2012 11:39 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:36 JinDesu wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


XDaunt - I missed the entire thing while being at the gym, but if you are writing like this, I'm seriously thinking Biden's won it...

Even the lefties here are admitting the moderator was biased and Biden was over aggressive with Ryan's time. But they are happy about it so they won't complain much.


Can't argue with this lol. I really wish they'd have a social issues debate for the people like me... who cares about the economy :<

Yeah, I would definitely like to hear more social issues like the death penalty, gay marriage, etc. The economy is just subject to them saying A claims X about B's plan, B says A is wrong, and his plan is Y and that A's plan is really X.

Every.
Fucking.
Time.

But I suppose I don't like either set of candidates, so I won't be happy regardless.
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 02:49:12
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15413
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote:

Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful.

This in no way shape or form has anything to do with having a fair shot.

If one child has a 99% chance to succeed and another has .000001% chance to succeed due to family or genetics, you can't honestly call these chances "fair" by any definition, even though both children technically have the opportunity to succeed.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15414
On October 12 2012 11:47 Deathmanbob wrote:
Fox news just trying to be a dick to biden


I don't know what Fox is saying but CNN wasn't crazy about Biden's demeanor.
Minus`
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 02:49:13
October 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#15415
Did anyone make the "Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan so many times his closing statement should have been about how Beyonce made one of the best videos of all time" joke yet?

Overall, thought the debate was interesting. Thread's still too active to figure out y'all we're arguing whether or not everyone has an equal chance to succeed, though.
[11:02:30 PM] <gryzor> calling coh an rts is like calling an sheep a car
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#15416
On October 12 2012 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
I will say this. I was very disappointed in Ryan's performance. He should have been better with many of his answers. Yes, he had a really rough set of circumstances to deal with, but I still expected more.


I agree. Then again, I've always agreed with Democrats that Ryan was mostly a fraud pretending to be good at policy so I didn't expect him to do well at all.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#15417
On October 12 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:43 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.

^I can agree with. But that does not in anyway mean
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
Yes, everyone gets a fair shot.

In fact, it's pretty much an admittance that it isn't...


Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful.


But it's not a "fair shot" if some people have a better shot and easier time than others, is it? Or at least for most definitions of fair.
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
October 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#15418
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.


I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.



Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m.


Or the finish line is an analogy for a job and I beat out some hardworking chap just because I have family connections in the company, no matter how hard he works I always win just due to the luck of being born where I was. Wealth propagates wealth, if you aren't born into a connected family it is getting harder and harder to get those good jobs since you don't have the connections that can pull strings.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#15419
On October 12 2012 11:48 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:47 DoubleReed wrote:
I have no idea what people are talking about with the moderator. I thought she was highly biased towards Ryan. He kept getting like way more time, and then she says that Biden didn't get any time to respond. Malarky.

You are nuts.


Are you kidding? Ryan got way more time than Biden on practically everything. It's a good thing Biden was interrupting or he wouldn't have been able to say jack shit.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#15420
On October 12 2012 11:48 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 11:46 turdburgler wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:46 CajunMan wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you?

Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.

Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.

It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.


I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.



Life is not a race to beat everyone else it is to work to finish where you think you see fit. You can stop at 10m or you can work your whole life to be at 100000000 m.


but if you see fit to make it to 100m but someone keeps putting hurdles in your way you can reserve the right to be pissed off.


Who is stopping you but yourself and those wasting your hard earned money?


your implying through this shitty metaphor that only the government can hold you back?
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