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On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.
People are free, but you can't seriously sit there and say everyone has equal opportunity in 'the land of opportunity' we call ourselves.
Actually, you probably can.
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On October 12 2012 11:40 Harbinger631 wrote:
Debate #1: Romney wins by doing a complete 180 on everything he campaigned on during the primary (obvious exaggeration)
Debate #2: Biden wins by teaming up with the moderator to interrupt Ryan at every 5th word (another obvious exaggeration)
Ohhhhhhhh!!! The dark reality of politics!
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On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.
Can't say I disagree with that point.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Here's the question:
Is it condescending if you appear to be right and convicted?
Only if the conviction isn't a felony~
Bazing!
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On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.
It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.
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When you personally have a parent who went from living in their car to owning 4 homes, it is very difficult to deny that anyone can succeed with enough work. Of course, a basic degree of intelligence/health is necessary.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins. xdaunt, are you brit hume? he just said the same fucking thing
I'm far better looking.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.
Which would require conceding the point that everyone has a fair shot, then.
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Biden was less bad then ryan,
Ryan was not the smart fast charismatic guy i was hoping for.
Biden came across pretty well,though i didnt find him inspirational either.
Just an old man ,part of the establishment who know and seen it all, your typical washington politician.
O and last think i like to add.
Romney is absolutely right for wanting the auto industry gone bankrupt.
Why keep subsidising thoose shitty cars noone in the world outside america buys.
Its a bottomless vault,and It goes against the core principles of capitalism and free market.
If government has to give stimulus and help the economy so badly, then at least put it into a sector your country excels in.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.
if the start is not fair, the race is not fair..... how in gods name can you go the race is fair if one said starts with an advantage?
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On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.
I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.
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On October 12 2012 11:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:36 JinDesu wrote:On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins. XDaunt - I missed the entire thing while being at the gym, but if you are writing like this, I'm seriously thinking Biden's won it... Even the lefties here are admitting the moderator was biased and Biden was over aggressive with Ryan's time. But they are happy about it so they won't complain much. 
I think the first debate taught us that a good strategy, in terms of optics, is to screw the moderator.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point.
^I can agree with. But that does not in anyway mean
On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:
Yes, everyone gets a fair shot.
In fact, it's pretty much an admittance that it isn't...
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I will say this. I was very disappointed in Ryan's performance. He should have been better with many of his answers. Yes, he had a really rough set of circumstances to deal with, but I still expected more.
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On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into.
The idea isn't that you are given anything it's no one is holding you back. YOU can go out and get a job and work your way through school. YOU can create a new product. YOU can do pursue your heart's desire like everyone else before you. And just like them the one thing you are guarrenteed is the chance to do it for yourself unimpeded.
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About hard work:
I studied for almost a month for my orgo test. Knew the book, the practice questions, lecture material and old tests. Got to the test, died. Pulled a 69 (which was the average score).
Studied for my financial accounting test 5 hours the night before and 5 hours the day of. Got a fucking 98 on it.
Not a perfect example, but some people are better than others at somethings and better at some things than other things because of what they were born with.
The best analogy I've heard is that Romney (as the quintessential rich dude) was born on third base and is under the impression he hit a triple.
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On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family.
i think you are really over stating "antics". sure he interupted a lot but lets face facts, thats standard fare for a debate like this. the fact ryan couldnt call him out on bull means either biden was 100% accurate, which is unlikely, or ryan isnt quick witted enough to reply, or ryan doesnt know the material well enough.
take your pick. but if you honestly believe a guy like ryan was just trying to play fair i think you are misguided.
On October 12 2012 11:43 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point. I do not care how hard Usain works, I will still win the race if I start 10m from the finish line and he starts 100m back.
im actually not sure if i could win that race : (
fucking usain bolt.
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Biden killed it. In my view they both made decent points that will be picked to pieces by partisan fact checkers for weeks to come but Biden was super on message when it came to advocating Obama and his policies. Ryan, while he had a few good policy moments, always seemed to be talking about his or the republican party's platform rather than specifically referencing Romney. And when he did it often seemed as an after thought.
If vice presidential debates have any influence at all (which I somewhat doubt) then this will be as much of a score for dems as was possible.
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in a country where professional wrestling is a sport i don't think demeanor is a problem.
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On October 12 2012 11:43 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:41 Tarot wrote:On October 12 2012 11:40 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 11:37 Risen wrote:
xDaunt, do you feel everyone gets a fair shot in America? I know I come from privilege and have an upper hand on other people, so obviously I don't think everyone gets a fair shot. What say you? Yes, everyone gets a fair shot. People are free to make of their lives what they will. The issue is why some do and some don't. In my opinion, it all starts with the family. Then how is that a fair shot? Last time I checked, you don't get to choose what family you're born into. It is not the job of the government to ensure equality of the starting point. ^I can agree with. But that does not in anyway mean In fact, it's pretty much an admittance that it isn't...
Everyone still has the opportunity to succeed, just because some are born into better situations doesn't mean those who aren't don't have the opportunity to be successful.
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