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adacan
United States117 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
"I'm giving my 2minutes to Romney so that he can explain the math of his Tax plan." See what he does. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:01 Souma wrote: It comes down to a simple scenario. Two kids. Academic ability exactly the same. They both apply to Harvard. One kid came from a middle-class family with a single mother. The other was born into the family of two wealthy Harvard graduates who have been boosting the school with donations. They've both worked equally as hard. Do they both have equal chances of getting accepted into Harvard? Yeah, hard work totally means everything. Is Harvard somehow necessary for success in life? | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:58 JinDesu wrote: I'm not arguing for welfare programs. I'm arguing against corporations taking advantage of the poor, and the majority taking advantage of the minority. Things like women's suffrage, gay rights, etc. I personally like the ACA's concept. I think it's just implemented incorrectly. The government should regulate against unfair practices - not take over. That's my idea of government. I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:39 Pusekatten wrote: Hehe From a guy living in Norway. The fact that the goverment has almost 100% off the healthcare. I can without a doubt say I absolutely love it! Along with every other civilized country in the 21st century understanding we should care for eachother. : D | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:03 jdseemoreglass wrote: Is Harvard somehow necessary for success in life? How is that not a complete dodge of the question? | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:58 ticklishmusic wrote: can i haz links to flash polls for the debate? From websites I found on google in the search: http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/10/11/biden-vs-ryan-who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/ Paul Ryan win http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/10/vice-presidential-debate-who-won-paul-ryan-or-joe-biden/ Paul Ryan win http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-there-are-two-possible-media-narratives/ Paul Ryan win http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/who_won_the_vice_presidential_debate_joe_biden_paul_ryan.html Paul Ryan win http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/who-won-the-vp-debate/question-3238691/ Paul Ryan win http://ed.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/11/14378015-poll-who-won-tonights-vice-presidential-debate?lite Joe Biden win | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:00 biology]major wrote: yeah man, its the same fair shot. One has the luxury of choosing to be a meth head and still possibly succeed Not true normally but if he does it is on the blood sweat and tears of his family who worked to ensure that that is a possibility for him just like the poor individual would if he should become wealthy on his own. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:01 DoubleReed wrote: ACA is not Socialized healthcare. It's regulation. I have no idea what you mean because ACA is not a government takeover of healthcare by any normal definition. I definitely did not mean to tie the two statements together - I apologize. I think that the ACA is implemented incorrectly because a single payer system from the state to cover the bare minimums would be better than the currently implemented penalty. This will allow the citizens to choose between the bare minimum, and the better insurance provided by private corporations that cover much more. On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote: I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. The minimum wage discussion you bring up is something that I don't entirely agree with. It's an unfortunately thing that exchange rates, price of products in other countries, and accepted quality of life in other countries cause corporations to migrate from the U.S.. I don't think correcting minimum wage is the solution to it - however, I don't have any ideas at this time as I don't normally think about it. Yes - you do say that we shouldn't work for dirt cheap, but I don't see where that line can be drawn... | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:03 DoubleReed wrote: How is that not a complete dodge of the question? It's quite the dodge. There's really only one answer, and it involves admitting everyone does not have a fair shot. That the dice are rigged. That the ref's been bribed. Or any number or horrible analogies. On October 12 2012 12:04 CajunMan wrote: Not true normally but if he does it is on the blood sweat and tears of his family who worked to ensure that that is a possibility for him just like the poor individual would if he should become wealthy on his own. How cute. One guy gets rich by letting his family do all the work. The other guy by...something. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:03 CajunMan wrote: I am all for government getting out of private practices and only regulating them against being taken advantage for the things you listed. But the government also is hurting the poor by enforcing things like high minimum wages and high taxes. Both of those keep companies from producing goods in the USA. I am not saying people should work for dirt you know that but wages and what someone is willing to work for should be between the business and the individual if you don't like the pay don't work there. The only thing that the government should enforce is a good working environment. America doesn't have a high minimum wage. We have a relatively low minimum wage compared to most first world countries. We also have low taxes compared to most first world countries. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:03 jdseemoreglass wrote: Is Harvard somehow necessary for success in life? This is about equal opportunity and being on the same playing field. Success is variable between people of different statuses. A person may feel successful because they were the first kid to graduate college in their family and managed to get a middle-class job. A kid from a rich family would feel like a loser doing that exact same job. Why in the hell would we measure things by 'success' and not equal opportunity/level playing field? | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On October 12 2012 11:59 acker wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/intrade-obama-contract-rallies-during-vice-presidential-debate-2012-10 Intrade's odds. Basically, nothing substantial has changed. No shit, it's the vice presidential debate. It's only important if somebody gigantically fucks up in a headline-making way. Did people go into this thinking either side was going to gain any serious ground somehow? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:04 kmillz wrote: From websites I found on google in the search: http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/10/11/biden-vs-ryan-who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/ Paul Ryan win http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/10/vice-presidential-debate-who-won-paul-ryan-or-joe-biden/ Paul Ryan win http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-there-are-two-possible-media-narratives/ Paul Ryan win http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/who_won_the_vice_presidential_debate_joe_biden_paul_ryan.html Paul Ryan win http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/who-won-the-vp-debate/question-3238691/ Paul Ryan win http://ed.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/11/14378015-poll-who-won-tonights-vice-presidential-debate?lite Joe Biden win And it's interesting to note that biased websites had biased polls? | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:03 DoubleReed wrote: How is that not a complete dodge of the question? The question is can anyone rise from poverty in America. My father is living proof that you can. He went from getting kicked out of his home and living in his car in Idaho, to owning 4 homes. You could call that luck, but I've seen first hand that he works his ass off 7 days a week to get what he wants. He doesn't watch TV at 5 and blame the system for his problems. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:04 kmillz wrote: From websites I found on google in the search: http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/10/11/biden-vs-ryan-who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/ Paul Ryan win http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/10/vice-presidential-debate-who-won-paul-ryan-or-joe-biden/ Paul Ryan win http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-there-are-two-possible-media-narratives/ Paul Ryan win http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/who_won_the_vice_presidential_debate_joe_biden_paul_ryan.html Paul Ryan win http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/who-won-the-vp-debate/question-3238691/ Paul Ryan win http://ed.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/11/14378015-poll-who-won-tonights-vice-presidential-debate?lite Joe Biden win No offense, but the base of the people that use all those sites does not seem terribly useful for representative purposes. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:06 jdseemoreglass wrote: The question is can anyone rise from poverty in America. My father is living proof that you can. He went from getting kicked out of his home and living in his car in Idaho, to owning 4 homes. You could call that luck, but I've seen first hand that he works his ass off 7 days a week to get what he wants. He doesn't watch TV at 5 and blame the system for his problems. And yet, it's been proven time and time again that social mobility in America is atrocious. Just because some people can do it means nothing. Just because one black man was able to become the president does not mean racism has disappeared from the country. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:06 TheTenthDoc wrote: No offense, but the base of the people that use all those sites does not seem terribly useful for representative purposes. I know, I was just curious what came up, I don't think this debate will make a difference in the election anyway. I would say it was a tie if anyone asked me. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:06 jdseemoreglass wrote: The question is can anyone rise from poverty in America. My father is living proof that you can. He went from getting kicked out of his home and living in his car in Idaho, to owning 4 homes. You could call that luck, but I've seen first hand that he works his ass off 7 days a week to get what he wants. He doesn't watch TV at 5 and blame the system for his problems. That does not change the very real statistical fact that America lags behind most first world countries in terms of social mobility. Apparently you don't think that this is a problem? | ||
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