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On October 12 2012 12:21 illsick wrote:
Ryan is a better speaker but Biden comes off as more sincere
I think Democrats will be happy with the debate
How could you tell Ryan was the better speaker- he kept getting intrupted I couldn't tell.
But seriously I think the debate had different goals for each person
biden wanted to re-energize the bleeding base
Ryan was trying to appeal to the indep vote
both succeeded imho.
ryan had a great closing statement.
biden was smart to pounce for specifics on the tax plan
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On October 12 2012 12:25 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:23 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:19 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:17 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:15 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:13 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648Is cnbc conservatively biased? I don't know what you think I claimed, but it has nothing to do with that. Well just to test your theory I typed in news and the top search was CNN followed by Fox news followed by yahoo, abc, nbc, and local news. If what you are suggesting says it caters to my interests than it would show that my interests are in reading news on both sides. It's not based on nothing other than your history. It just factors that in. Presumably a liberal would never have gotten all of those obscure (non-daily-caller) conservative blogs on the first page. Maybe you are right, either way I was just posting what I found >_> I didn't cherry pick or anything. Either way, like I said before I think it was pretty much a tie and I don't think it will make much of a difference for the election. Trust me it's true - google and facebook selectively provide results (google searches, and facebook updates) based on your browsing history. Same with ads on both sites.
trying to explain to my gf about the ads that come up for me is getting increasingly difficult.
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On October 12 2012 12:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:19 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:17 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:15 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:13 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:12 frogrubdown wrote:On October 12 2012 12:11 kmillz wrote:On October 12 2012 12:09 Silidons wrote:nice linking 5 conservative sites half of which no one has ever heard of, wonder what side you're on brah I wasn't biased in my website selection, you can literally find all of those pages on the first page search of "who won vp debate" on google (assuming they haven't been bumped down by new pages) Google results are personalized to the users history. They showed up on your first page because you frequent conservative blogs. http://www.cnbc.com/id/49327648Is cnbc conservatively biased? I don't know what you think I claimed, but it has nothing to do with that. Well just to test your theory I typed in news and the top search was CNN followed by Fox news followed by yahoo, abc, nbc, and local news. If what you are suggesting says it caters to my interests than it would show that my interests are in reading news on both sides. It's not based on nothing other than your history. It just factors that in. Presumably a liberal would never have gotten all of those obscure (non-daily-caller) conservative blogs on the first page. I think you overestimate how much search history is factored in. I mean, I get zero porn hits when I searched for it. Yes, I kid.
I'm very confident that someone has made Biden/Ryan debate porn.
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On October 12 2012 12:23 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:21 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:
No one is arguing it is fair. What is this straw man? The debate here isn't "does everyone have an equal shot?" Of course not. No one in the world would argue that someone in a poor home and someone in a wealthy home has the same opportunity. That is obvious, why is it getting repeated?
Can anyone pick themselves up out of poverty? Yes, they can. You want to ask me why more people don't? I don't know, it doesn't matter. That's a sociological question, not an economic one. Personally, I don't care about money very much. I won't have much "mobility," because I'm happy with my life. And I'm lower class right now. I can't speak for the other 300 million people. But I've seen first hand that you can succeed in this country with huge odds against you. Much worse odds than most of the people who complain about a lack of opportunity in this country. Once again. You are ignoring very real statistics that shows that people cannot pick themselves out of poverty. Yet you keep repeating that they can. Anecdotal evidence is not a good measure, and I have no idea why you seem to think it is. And I have no idea what you mean by saying that it's not an economic question. That absolutely baffles me. Saying that they ARE not is not the same thing as saying that they CANNOT. That is the mistake in this reasoning. As to your second point, I'm saying the decisions people choose to make is a question for sociologists and psychologists.
This just in: sociologists believe that poverty (economics) may play just a teeeeeeeeeny weeeeeeeeeeeeeny role in shaping a person!
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Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly.
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weird, CBS snap poll has biden KILLING but ryan wins by 4 in the CNN poll
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On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.
Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?
Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.
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On October 12 2012 12:24 Deathmanbob wrote:
shawn hannity is being a GIANT dick right now, my god i hate this man.
im not a huge fan of most of the opinion people on fox but i really really hate this man
Hannity is retarded.
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On October 12 2012 12:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:21 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 12 2012 12:18 Defacer wrote:
Biden came off as the guy that has been around forever and knows what's really going on.
That is not necessarily a good thing. A large part of "winning" the debate is the likability factor over specific points. Biden didn't really win that. It depends. I think Biden walks a fine line, that's for sure. He is able to be arrogant in a blue-collar, guy-at-end-of-the-bar kind of way. It's bizarre. I definitely don't think Romney or Obama could get way with some of the shit Biden broke out tonight, that's for sure.
I don't think Biden can get away with it either. If he made every point he made in the debate without the smirks and rude interruptions he would probably walk away with the win. Now results are much more mixed.
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On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins. Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you? Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.
It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.
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On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly.
Stopping the bleeding is all that mattered. if it goes as it is now, and Romney does not move the poll further in his direction, obama wins
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On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly.
So true. This doesn't change the fact the race is pretty much dead even. Obama still would have to knock it out of the park to win. And the format of the last two debates don't actually facilitate that well.
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On October 12 2012 12:26 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:23 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 12:21 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:
No one is arguing it is fair. What is this straw man? The debate here isn't "does everyone have an equal shot?" Of course not. No one in the world would argue that someone in a poor home and someone in a wealthy home has the same opportunity. That is obvious, why is it getting repeated?
Can anyone pick themselves up out of poverty? Yes, they can. You want to ask me why more people don't? I don't know, it doesn't matter. That's a sociological question, not an economic one. Personally, I don't care about money very much. I won't have much "mobility," because I'm happy with my life. And I'm lower class right now. I can't speak for the other 300 million people. But I've seen first hand that you can succeed in this country with huge odds against you. Much worse odds than most of the people who complain about a lack of opportunity in this country. Once again. You are ignoring very real statistics that shows that people cannot pick themselves out of poverty. Yet you keep repeating that they can. Anecdotal evidence is not a good measure, and I have no idea why you seem to think it is. And I have no idea what you mean by saying that it's not an economic question. That absolutely baffles me. Saying that they ARE not is not the same thing as saying that they CANNOT. That is the mistake in this reasoning. As to your second point, I'm saying the decisions people choose to make is a question for sociologists and psychologists. This just in: sociologists believe that poverty (economics) may play just a teeeeeeeeeny weeeeeeeeeeeeeny role in shaping a person!
Sure, what's your point? I never said everyone was equal. You are repeating yourself for the third time.
I'm starting to think we are arguing about completely different things here...
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On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins. Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you? Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while. It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.
I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.
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On October 12 2012 12:29 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly. Stopping the bleeding is all that mattered. if it goes as it is now, and Romney does not move the poll further in his direction, obama wins
I don't think that the polls accurately reflect how far this race has swung in Romney's favor. I'm still expecting a landslide victory for Romney.
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On October 12 2012 12:25 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:21 illsick wrote:
Ryan is a better speaker but Biden comes off as more sincere
I think Democrats will be happy with the debate How could you tell Ryan was the better speaker- he kept getting intrupted I couldn't tell. But seriously I think the debate had different goals for each person biden wanted to re-energize the bleeding base Ryan was trying to appeal to the indep vote both succeeded imho. ryan had a great closing statement. biden was smart to pounce for specifics on the tax plan
i dont see how you can argue that ryan appealed to the centre when he stated that he thinks he should push his religion on others through policy. the people who believe that are the definition of the GOP base. that single move should scare off every single woman/jew/muslim/ from voting for him.
On October 12 2012 12:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:29 Deathmanbob wrote:On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly. Stopping the bleeding is all that mattered. if it goes as it is now, and Romney does not move the poll further in his direction, obama wins I don't think that the polls accurately reflect how far this race has swung in Romney's favor. I'm still expecting a landslide victory for Romney.
if you believe the polls are inaccurate, on what do you base this landslide victory? you have taken a poll of 1 person, yourself, about who you will vote for? and this gives you a result of a 100% romney landslide?
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On October 12 2012 12:28 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:25 Defacer wrote:On October 12 2012 12:21 MstrJinbo wrote:On October 12 2012 12:18 Defacer wrote:
Biden came off as the guy that has been around forever and knows what's really going on.
That is not necessarily a good thing. A large part of "winning" the debate is the likability factor over specific points. Biden didn't really win that. It depends. I think Biden walks a fine line, that's for sure. He is able to be arrogant in a blue-collar, guy-at-end-of-the-bar kind of way. It's bizarre. I definitely don't think Romney or Obama could get way with some of the shit Biden broke out tonight, that's for sure. I don't think Biden can get away with it either. If he made every point he made in the debate without the smirks and rude interruptions he would probably walk away with the win. Now results are much more mixed.
I didn't mind the interruptions as much and I think that's what the Democrats needed. He kept the debate interesting and it helped with fact checking. I wish Obama did that with Romney, instead of looking down all the time.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 12 2012 12:30 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:26 Souma wrote:On October 12 2012 12:23 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 12 2012 12:21 DoubleReed wrote:On October 12 2012 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:
No one is arguing it is fair. What is this straw man? The debate here isn't "does everyone have an equal shot?" Of course not. No one in the world would argue that someone in a poor home and someone in a wealthy home has the same opportunity. That is obvious, why is it getting repeated?
Can anyone pick themselves up out of poverty? Yes, they can. You want to ask me why more people don't? I don't know, it doesn't matter. That's a sociological question, not an economic one. Personally, I don't care about money very much. I won't have much "mobility," because I'm happy with my life. And I'm lower class right now. I can't speak for the other 300 million people. But I've seen first hand that you can succeed in this country with huge odds against you. Much worse odds than most of the people who complain about a lack of opportunity in this country. Once again. You are ignoring very real statistics that shows that people cannot pick themselves out of poverty. Yet you keep repeating that they can. Anecdotal evidence is not a good measure, and I have no idea why you seem to think it is. And I have no idea what you mean by saying that it's not an economic question. That absolutely baffles me. Saying that they ARE not is not the same thing as saying that they CANNOT. That is the mistake in this reasoning. As to your second point, I'm saying the decisions people choose to make is a question for sociologists and psychologists. This just in: sociologists believe that poverty (economics) may play just a teeeeeeeeeny weeeeeeeeeeeeeny role in shaping a person! Sure, what's your point? I never said everyone was equal. You are repeating yourself for the third time. I'm starting to think we are arguing about completely different things here...
Well, I already argued on the previous page that I think your take on 'success' in life misses the problem. I'm not sure what else to say at this point since you're repeating yourself as well.
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On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins. Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you? Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while. It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such. I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.
the bullshit detector goes off on the liberal side, however the persuasive and sincerity is appreciated by the conservatives (works both ways)
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On October 12 2012 12:29 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.
As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly. So true. This doesn't change the fact the race is pretty much dead even. Obama still would have to knock it out of the park to win. And the format of the last two debates don't actually facilitate that well.
obama is winning right now...... the RCP state map shows him winning 294 to 244. Romney needs to come out and hit the big one again to win
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