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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 12 2012 03:33 GMT
#15541
On October 12 2012 12:31 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?

Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.

It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.


I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.


the bullshit detector goes off on the liberal side, however the persuasive and sincerity is appreciated by the conservatives (works both ways)


????

If anything I would think conservatives would have a much finer bullshit detector. They don't seem to trust anyone in government.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 03:33 GMT
#15542
Oh, and in case anyone missed it, Biden managed to make another contradictory statement on Libya tonight. I really think that this Libya story is going to become a more dominant and damaging story over the next week or so.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
October 12 2012 03:34 GMT
#15543
On October 12 2012 12:32 Deathmanbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:29 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.

As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly.


So true. This doesn't change the fact the race is pretty much dead even. Obama still would have to knock it out of the park to win. And the format of the last two debates don't actually facilitate that well.


obama is winning right now...... the RCP state map shows him winning 294 to 244. Romney needs to come out and hit the big one again to win


But many of the states like Michigan, Wisconsin etc are now in play again when it was relatively safe leaning Obama just a few weeks ago.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2012 03:34 GMT
#15544
On October 12 2012 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Oh, and in case anyone missed it, Biden managed to make another contradictory statement on Libya tonight. I really think that this Libya story is going to become a more dominant and damaging story over the next week or so.


elaborate, i clearly didnt catch it.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
October 12 2012 03:34 GMT
#15545
On October 12 2012 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:31 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?

Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.

It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.


I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.


the bullshit detector goes off on the liberal side, however the persuasive and sincerity is appreciated by the conservatives (works both ways)


????

If anything I would think conservatives would have a much finer bullshit detector. They don't seem to trust anyone in government.


their Bullshit detector is just as bad.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 12 2012 03:34 GMT
#15546
On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?

Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.

It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.


I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.



Exactly. Looking someone in the eye when talking to them is persuasive. But in theatre or television, looking directing into a camera or facing an audience directly is breaking the fourth wall. You change the tone so dramatically -- one second you're having a lively discussion in an auditorium, the next second you're having a fake conversation with an imaginary person watching TV. It's feels disingenuous.

Anyway, that's beside the point. Both did well.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 03:36 GMT
#15547
On October 12 2012 12:34 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Oh, and in case anyone missed it, Biden managed to make another contradictory statement on Libya tonight. I really think that this Libya story is going to become a more dominant and damaging story over the next week or so.


elaborate, i clearly didnt catch it.

Read here.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 12 2012 03:37 GMT
#15548
On October 12 2012 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:31 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?

Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.

It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.


I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.


the bullshit detector goes off on the liberal side, however the persuasive and sincerity is appreciated by the conservatives (works both ways)


????

If anything I would think conservatives would have a much finer bullshit detector. They don't seem to trust anyone in government.


They trust anyone who doesn't trust government, regardless if that person is a bag of lies dressed as a politician, the embodiment of their distrust. Interesting how that works, right!?
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Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2012 03:37 GMT
#15549
On October 12 2012 12:34 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:32 Deathmanbob wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:29 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Overall, I tend to think that this debate is going to be inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Biden may have staunched the bleeding, but it is going to be up to Obama to really take it to Romney. VP debates don't really matter.

As for the remaining debates, I'm not sure that they really are going to matter. The first one was always going to be most important because it was going to be the public's first unadulterated view of Romney. Whatever impressions have been made probably won't change unless Romney really does poorly.


So true. This doesn't change the fact the race is pretty much dead even. Obama still would have to knock it out of the park to win. And the format of the last two debates don't actually facilitate that well.


obama is winning right now...... the RCP state map shows him winning 294 to 244. Romney needs to come out and hit the big one again to win


But many of the states like Michigan, Wisconsin etc are now in play again when it was relatively safe leaning Obama just a few weeks ago.


while they are in play, they are still going obama. Romney still needs to come out with it to bring the states to his side
No Artosis, you are robin
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
October 12 2012 03:44 GMT
#15550
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
Josealtron
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States219 Posts
October 12 2012 03:45 GMT
#15551
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.


Ugh, agreed. I've blocked people from my facebook because of the stupidity regarding this.
"If you give up on yourself, you give up on the world."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 03:47 GMT
#15552
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2012 03:47 GMT
#15553
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.


yeah i have to agree, romney wassnt nearly as rude. I mean he was a jerk about it, but still biden was worse


that said, i liked that biden called out ryans bs
No Artosis, you are robin
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
October 12 2012 03:49 GMT
#15554
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.


Your right, it is worse. Getting the last word is the biggest part of any debate and romney made sure he got it every time.
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armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
October 12 2012 03:50 GMT
#15555
I'm sorry but if you're lying through your teeth you need to be called out on it. "Not even comparable"? Why, because he laughed?
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 12 2012 03:51 GMT
#15556
On October 12 2012 12:50 armada[sb] wrote:
I'm sorry but if you're lying through your teeth you need to be called out on it. "Not even comparable"? Why, because he laughed?

Difference between repeatedly laughing, talking over, and interrupting someone and waiting until the person is done and trying to get the moderator to let you speak again.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 12 2012 03:52 GMT
#15557
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.

Oh please. It's just easier for you to deal with Romney's blatant bullshit because he's fighting for your ideals. Oh Biden, you sure played politics half as dirty as Romney .
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
October 12 2012 03:53 GMT
#15558
On October 12 2012 12:34 MstrJinbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:33 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:31 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:30 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:28 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:
On October 12 2012 11:35 xDaunt wrote:
I dunno, I think that public perception of this debate is going to depend upon what people think of Biden's antics and the moderator's performance. If they don't care, then Biden wins.


Does the Ryan choir-boy death stare into the camera while recited a canned response work for you?

Honest question. For me personally, it's comes off as insincere. He needs to break his gaze every once in a while.

It was the right move. Anyone who knows anything about persuasive speaking will tell you such.


I don't know man. Media analysts say time and time again that American audiences have a keen bullshit detector. That closing statement is exactly the kind of thing that makes it go blaring.


the bullshit detector goes off on the liberal side, however the persuasive and sincerity is appreciated by the conservatives (works both ways)


????

If anything I would think conservatives would have a much finer bullshit detector. They don't seem to trust anyone in government.


their Bullshit detector is just as bad.


I think people like Hannity and Limbaugh have done a lot of damage to Conservative's bullshit detectors. Just because their suspicious doesn't mean they should be. (The BLS and Jack Welch spring to mind)
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 03:54:46
October 12 2012 03:54 GMT
#15559
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.

it was a different style of debate. they were at the same table, more personal with each other, not both having their own podium

it's also hilarious how romney got away with lying so god damn much, but no one seems to care
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 04:46:59
October 12 2012 03:55 GMT
#15560
Average american voter...

This video is from the debate, makes me facepalm so incredibly hard.

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