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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 03:55 GMT
#15561
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 12 2012 03:56 GMT
#15562
CNN debate scoring is just as bad as the refs from that Packers- Seahawks game
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 12 2012 03:56 GMT
#15563
In any case, I'm not gonna put much weight behind this debate considering there were no serious gaffes. The next Presidential debate is just a few days from now. This debate will be behind us soon enough.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 12 2012 03:57 GMT
#15564
On October 12 2012 12:54 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.

it was a different style of debate. they were at the same table, more personal with each other, not both having their own podium

it's also hilarious how romney got away with lying so god damn much, but no one seems to care

That's because his voter base is mostly low information voters. The left sees the lying but what are they going to do, reason with people who don't care about politics and only care about populist BS? It's a lost battle when you have to reason with irrational people.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 12 2012 03:58 GMT
#15565
On October 12 2012 12:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:44 armada[sb] wrote:
It's funny to me how everyone is upset about Biden interrupting Ryan, but were okay with Romney trying to get the last word when the weak ass moderator had tried to move on to the next subject. Complete bullshit.

What Romney did is not even remotely comparable to what Biden did.


Hey man, it worked. Biden could tell he was getting underneath Ryan's skin.

Big old white guys. They're so perfect at being dicks.


kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 12 2012 03:58 GMT
#15566
On October 12 2012 12:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Average american voter...

This video is from the rebate, makes me facepalm so incredibly hard.



And on the contrast:


turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2012 03:59 GMT
#15567
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.


many people were very annoyed about how romney conducted himself for the past 18 months let alone at the debate. many people on the other hand are completely ok with biden aggressively attacking ryans ideas. just becuase you say no one is talking about something doesnt make it so.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 12 2012 04:01 GMT
#15568
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.


Oh, in Romney's case I think he was more then a little obnoxious ... but the fault lies with the moderator AND Obama for being a couple of pansies -- which EVERYONE was talking about.

Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 04:04:17
October 12 2012 04:02 GMT
#15569
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care. They eat that shit up, assume that everything that's said is true. Who's going to verify the date of the closure of that GM plant? Nobody - they'll just say Obama closed GM and TARP was bad (wtf do they want?).

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 12 2012 04:03 GMT
#15570
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
October 12 2012 04:04 GMT
#15571
Biden > Ryan tonight, i was quite astonished and pleasantly surprised.

Ryan totally fucked up afghanistan/foreign policy.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
October 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#15572
On October 12 2012 13:03 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>


More like based on what you say.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 04:06:21
October 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#15573
On October 12 2012 13:03 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>

You're right. I'm a bigot for mentioning that both sides use questionable tactics and that both sides are more blind to the questionable tactics used on their own side. Ironically, this is the case for xDaunt. I've seen that guy's posting for many months and he's not a moderate, at least not to my eye. Anyway, you deserve a slow clap.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
October 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#15574
I think Bill Maher summed up this debate pretty well in this quote:
"Hello 9-1-1? There s an old man beating a child on my tv."
Genius.
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sevencck
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 04:09:37
October 12 2012 04:09 GMT
#15575
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.


I'll acknowledge that the moderator was slightly biased in favor of Biden. But Biden was also putting forth much better points and countering Ryan's claims, many of which were not based in fact. Ryan was also very vague about his policies and dodged alot of questions when pressed. Ryan challenged Biden and Obama on Syria, then couldn't outline what he would have done differently, didn't respond to the fact that America's allies were in agreement over what they were doing, and finally conceded that he agreed with many of Obama's policies. I think it would be more intellectually dishonest to contend Ryan's performance was due to the moderator.
I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it. -Albert Einstein
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 04:12 GMT
#15576
On October 12 2012 13:03 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>

There's a reason why I don't even bother responding to certain posters. Rather than addressing the very discrete point that I made, they'd rather spew diarrhea all over the thread. Dealing with it gets old.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 04:14 GMT
#15577
On October 12 2012 13:09 sevencck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.


I'll acknowledge that the moderator was slightly biased in favor of Biden. But Biden was also putting forth much better points and countering Ryan's claims, many of which were not based in fact. Ryan was also very vague about his policies and dodged alot of questions when pressed. Ryan challenged Biden and Obama on Syria, then couldn't outline what he would have done differently, didn't respond to the fact that America's allies were in agreement over what they were doing, and finally conceded that he agreed with many of Obama's policies. I think it would be more intellectually dishonest to contend Ryan's performance was due to the moderator.

I've already stated that I thought Biden did a better job substantively. I'm only referring to the intellectual honesty of people around here saying that Biden's antics tonight of constantly interrupting Ryan (and otherwise being ridiculously rude) are comparable to what Romney did. There clearly is no comparison.
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 12 2012 04:14 GMT
#15578
On October 12 2012 13:05 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:03 kmillz wrote:
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>

You're right. I'm a bigot for mentioning that both sides use questionable tactics and that both sides are more blind to the questionable tactics used on their own side. Ironically, this is the case for xDaunt. I've seen that guy's posting for many months and he's not a moderate, at least not to my eye. Anyway, you deserve a slow clap.


No, you're a bigot for saying:

And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 12 2012 04:14 GMT
#15579
On October 12 2012 13:12 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:03 kmillz wrote:
On October 12 2012 13:02 Djzapz wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.

Are you seriously that ignorant of the politics game? Seriously, I checked this thread a few hours ago and you were there whining about Biden's overreaching assertiveness, which is what people like and want to see - how can you blame him?

On the other hand you have Ryan, who's blamed Obama for the closure of a GM plant that happened before Obama was in power, and has participated to a political campaign that was all about the disingenuous tainting of Obama's image, sometimes through some quote mining that was not concealed in the slightest. And People eat that shit up even though it's disgraceful and even insulting - but the cesspool of voters is not likely to care.

It's like that on both sides, although you're very clearly on the right. And you dare talk about intellectual dishonesty? I think your entire position can only exist because of intellectual dishonesty.


Here we go with the intellectual bigotry based on whether you are right or left >_>

There's a reason why I don't even bother responding to certain posters. Rather than addressing the very discrete point that I made, they'd rather spew diarrhea all over the thread. Dealing with it gets old.

That's just so deeply ironic and classic xDaunt. I bring up points, you call them diarrhea because I don't address your points.

Your points: Joe Biden plays the politics game. Wah. Wah. Wah.

I bet you're even fooling yourself too.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
sevencck
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada705 Posts
October 12 2012 04:15 GMT
#15580
On October 12 2012 13:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 13:09 sevencck wrote:
On October 12 2012 12:55 xDaunt wrote:
The intellectual dishonesty around here never ceases to amaze me. There's a big difference between Romney interrupting the moderator to make points and Biden constantly talking over Ryan when it is clearly Ryan's opportunity to talk. There's a reason why everyone is wondering how Biden's antics played with the public when virtually no one was asking the same thing about Romney.


I'll acknowledge that the moderator was slightly biased in favor of Biden. But Biden was also putting forth much better points and countering Ryan's claims, many of which were not based in fact. Ryan was also very vague about his policies and dodged alot of questions when pressed. Ryan challenged Biden and Obama on Syria, then couldn't outline what he would have done differently, didn't respond to the fact that America's allies were in agreement over what they were doing, and finally conceded that he agreed with many of Obama's policies. I think it would be more intellectually dishonest to contend Ryan's performance was due to the moderator.

I've already stated that I thought Biden did a better job substantively. I'm only referring to the intellectual honesty of people around here saying that Biden's antics tonight of constantly interrupting Ryan (and otherwise being ridiculously rude) are comparable to what Romney did. There clearly is no comparison.


I think it's fair to say that both Romney and Biden were very aggressive about putting forth their views and discounting those of their opponent.
I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it. -Albert Einstein
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