On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
It does take a little bit of learning. As a guy, it's pretty easy to stuff 3 or 4 days worth of clothing into my messenger bag, but I know my girlfriend packs a wee bit more >.>
In consideration - long distance train trips do cost quite a penny too. I was looking at Amtrak to go down to DC from NYC, and that was quite expensive. It takes about the same time as air though (since air requires taxi and landing and checkin), and I do enjoy the view and space.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
That's a relatively short flight as far as domestics go, from two major airport hubs no less. It is difficult to find a flight from the Pacific Northwest to anywhere but California or Denver for less than 500 bucks. Flying out of Detroit was so much cheaper
Cenk Uygur and Michael Shure did a spontaneous mock debate as Obama and Romney. I really wish the real debates would be that lively. But I kind of doubt it.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
That's a relatively short flight as far as domestics go, from two major airport hubs no less. It is difficult to find a flight from the Pacific Northwest to anywhere but California or Denver for less than 500 bucks. Flying out of Detroit was so much cheaper
Oh yes - IPL Vegas. Out of budget for me
I thought I could Jetblue for $99, but I was sorely mistaken.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
That's a relatively short flight as far as domestics go, from two major airport hubs no less. It is difficult to find a flight from the Pacific Northwest to anywhere but California or Denver for less than 500 bucks. Flying out of Detroit was so much cheaper
I'm not from a big city. i spent 20 bucks for a round trip bus to drive me to Milwaukee.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it.
I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ?
If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes.
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc.
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline.
I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap.
Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag.
I got a round trip from milwaukee to DC for only 140 a bit ago. Air travel is pretty cheap if you do it right. Just gotta pack light and not check more than your allotted bag in.
That's a relatively short flight as far as domestics go, from two major airport hubs no less. It is difficult to find a flight from the Pacific Northwest to anywhere but California or Denver for less than 500 bucks. Flying out of Detroit was so much cheaper
I'm not from a big city. i spent 20 bucks for a round trip bus to drive me to Milwaukee.
I live very close to a big city, and most flights out are expensive. I used to live in small town Ohio, and my flights were much cheaper out of nearby Detroit Metro. The point is that simply saying "Oh plane tickets are cheap if you do it right." is oversimple. Congratulations on your cheap bus tickets though.
I've only been following this thread for the last 65 pages or so. Has Obama's lead among women been discussed yet? They're one of if not the biggest voting demographic (I'm not sure, are there more white voters than women voters?). In '08, 10 million more women than men voted.
A National Journal analysis of recent polling results across 11 states considered battlegrounds shows that in most of them, Obama is running considerably better than he is nationally among white women without a college education. Obama's gains with these so-called "waitress moms" are especially pronounced in Heartland battlegrounds like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa.
These "waitress moms" have voted Republican in every election since 1980. Except 1996.
New Quinnipiac poll puts Obama ahead of Mitt among women by 18 points.
On October 03 2012 13:25 madsweepslol wrote: I've only been following this thread for the last 65 pages or so. Has Obama's lead among women been discussed yet? They're one of if not the biggest voting demographic (I'm not sure, are there more white voters than women voters?). In '08, 10 million more women than men voted.
According to CNN 2008 exit polls, 53% of voters were women and 74% of voters were white, so yes.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
It's actually very weird that such a rich and prospere country can survive and do as well as US are doing without proper infrastructures. We have had high speed trains for 30 years in France. I guess the car-culture and the general hostility against everything that involve not being on your own is largely responsible. Maybe the size of the country is also a big factor. It's amazing to be able to do Strasbourg-Paris in 90 minutes and to basically cross France from north to south in two hours and half with a 400 km/hour train, but it's much less fancy when distances are as huge as they are in the States.
Anyway; makes me think of this amazing sentence from Gustavo Petro, the actual mayor of Bogota, saying:
"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation."
It sounds all simple, but that's quite deep. In my opinion
And recall that cutting spending depresses the economy, making it harder to reduce the deficit.
Those accusing Obama of not cutting enough should also remember that they went for two arguably useless wars that did cost 1 379 000 000 000 dollars according to this website: http://costofwar.com/
Fun fact, Obama was one of the faw people smart enough not to get into the hawkish warmonger ultra-nationalist crap of the republican party and who opposed war in Irak from the start.
But well, it was important to fuck up a bit more the middle east I guess. More than to help that old and ressourceless widow dying from cancer at the other side of the city, you know.
This is the video, a speech he made as a Senator. It's old. We have seen it before. Note its posted date: June, 2007.
Yes, this is news. Thank you, Matt Drudge, for finding the headlines the liberal mainstream media refuses to report (am I doing that right?)
No, it isn't a video of Rev. Wright, but this is the same crap we saw in McCain/Palin 2008. So I likened it Rev. Wright. We should be afraid of the "real" Obama, who hates white people and seeks friendship with terrorists.
But really, this is just a Senator from an urban city making a speech that plays to the audience.
It isn't like he's changing his skin color or anything.
Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against.
Are you actually making the argument that because people on the other side of the political spectrum say it's nonsense then it must be true? Is this what American politics has been reduced to?
I'm saying they are making sure to respond, so they must feel the situation requires a fast response. I'm not sure 'true' enters into the equation, as nobody is really asserting that it's not an actual video of a speech Obama gave. But, as I said, if this Hannity / Tucker Carlson 'story' was about how Obama ties his shoes, nobody would give a shit, and certainly we wouldn't be seeing the attempts to discredit.
You do realize that in case you're right and it's a longer video, Obama supporters (like everyone else) haven't actually seen the rest, right? We're simply denouncing another empty attempt at discrediting Obama over perfectly normal comments that will be spinned every which way to make him sound bad. It doesn't mean I or anyone else is worried about the content of the video.
edit: just read Leporello's post and apparently you're wrong, it is the full video. So yeah, what Leporello said :-)
There's the video. The running time is 36:22. The video posted above is less than 10 minutes. I'm not an expert at compression, but I find it difficult to believe the 10 minute video is the entire video, as I said. However, you are so easily convinced otherwise, simply by having someone else say so. Whatever. Now, if this entire video has been posted on Youtube before, somebody please prove that. By hunch is that you find only the shorter, edited version and people haven't seen the speech in its entirety.
So, reading the article, their use of the video is exactly as I described it. Can you tell me in your own words what is supposed to be shocking about Obama's speech?
Aljazeera has a neat little page outlining (albeit briefly) Obama's and Romney's stances on issues that have garnered the most coverage during this election. Only thing is, Romney keeps flip-flopping so it's difficult to see where exactly he stands on some issues (though taxes is the one issue he has yet to flip-flop on).
I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
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What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.
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