On October 04 2012 01:02 oneofthem wrote: i see obama going all out attack mode in the debates. if only to distract from the damaging dredge about himself and play some sort of equivalence by overload of accusations scenario in which horrendous attacks are thrown with such frequency that people tune them all out.
I fixed it for you. See, it can be said about both. Obama's got a lot of explaining to do with his race-dividing remarks.
see, the attack campaign already working even before it works.
On October 04 2012 01:38 Darknat wrote: If Obama wins re-election everyone who voted for him should hang their heads in shame because it will be a very sad day..
that is some great reasoning and logic right there
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
On October 01 2012 01:40 TheRabidDeer wrote: Does anybody know why Gary Johnson isnt able to take part in the Presidential debates? He is a seriously good candidate but so very few know about him.
EDIT: I know this isnt about obama or romney, but I am curious about the Presidential debates and how it is only 2 parties when we arent a strictly 2 party system.
BTW, don't know if you are still following this thread, but Democracy Now! is going to cover the debates live with third party candidates Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson (Gary Johnson was also invited, but had other plans for the evening). She will pause after each question to give them equal time to answer as if they were participating.
I watched the 3rd party debate in 2004... it was better than the main presidential debates but still seemed like a Q&A session on "what is your party's ideology." But at least the candidates took clear positions.
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt.
It's actually very weird that such a rich and prospere country can survive and do as well as US are doing without proper infrastructures. We have had high speed trains for 30 years in France. I guess the car-culture and the general hostility against everything that involve not being on your own is largely responsible. Maybe the size of the country is also a big factor. It's amazing to be able to do Strasbourg-Paris in 90 minutes and to basically cross France from north to south in two hours and half with a 400 km/hour train, but it's much less fancy when distances are as huge as they are in the States.
Anyway; makes me think of this amazing sentence from Gustavo Petro, the actual mayor of Bogota, saying:
"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation."
It sounds all simple, but that's quite deep. In my opinion
France has a better train system for moving people, US has a better train system for moving freight.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
one can also say he's talking to a specific community in a way that relates to them, on an issue that is unfair to them in a racial neutral manner. there was no explicit reference to the reason for that unfairness being race.
unless you mean to say this is really a racial issue and everyone knows it. then the issue should be discussed and bringing it up may be facilitating justice. one does not divide a slave and his master without being somewhat rude in the process to the latter. so to speak.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Silly. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
Romney got accused of being racist for just saying the word Chicago by Chris Matthews. If you say food stamps your remarks are racially charged according to him too. He is pretty stupid though, so I can't say he speaks for all liberals, just that anything someone says is somehow skewed racist by him.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
Edit: And even then there's nothing whatsoever that's divisive about that comment because there is not implicit slight against white people as I can tell. Just a stupid, play to the audience comment. If Obama comes back and says "oh, I 100% believe that and there was no mistake I made" then I'll be disappointed in him (though not quite as disappointed in Romney after his last two much more recent flubs).
Yeah a good half of that is just clips of him talking about Wright as though it's some sort of transitive guilty by association. But if those same words came from the mouth of some Republican about their own pastor, they would be hailed as a great evangelical president. There's nothing in the actual words that is terrible unless you are non-religious or belong to another religion. And the rest of it is pretty non-controversial. Here are some examples where the government stepped in and that was good. The government didn't step in for Katrina and that was bad. Your mileage may vary over the minority-owned business, but that's it. Beyond that we're nitpicking on whether Obama was fingering Hillary Clinton when he rubbed his nose with his middle finger. It's too much over too little.
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On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much? How were Reverend Wright's comments any more divisive than Obamas?
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
Could be because they're poor? Doesn't have to be specifically about race.
And you're really nitpicking with that Reverend Wright stuff. It doesn't even take me a full day to praise my friend then turn around and criticize him if he does something stupid.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
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