On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
On October 04 2012 01:43 oneofthem wrote: i watched this video and he didn't mention black people. dunno how it's divisive.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
This theme — that black Americans suffer while others profit — is a national problem, Obama continues: “We need additional federal public transportation dollars flowing to the highest need communities. We don’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs,” where, the implication is, the rich white people live. Instead, Obama says, federal money should flow to “our neighborhoods”: “We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods, so people don’t have to travel from miles away.”
The solution, Obama says, is a series of new federal programs, including one to teach punctuality to the poor: “We can’t expect them to have all the skills they need to work. They may need help with basic skills, how to shop, how to show up for work on time, how to wear the right clothes, how to act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”
The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Debt schmebt. If you truly, truly believe that the debt problem can be solved in a couple of years during a devastating recession, two unpaid wars and an obstructionist Congress then you are more delusional than a Tebow fan on shrooms. There are lots of things to criticize Obama for. The debt is not one of them. Must we go over this again?
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 30 billion dollars sent (approximated). ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
You have to be pretty blind or ignorant then. It wasn't a dog whistle, it was a dog siren and it is quite obvious.
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The whole fucking speech is aimed at black people, and he is talking to black people with a fake accent, are you deaf?
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 21 billion dollars sent. ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
On October 04 2012 02:01 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
NOW I'm editing this because I'm prepared for the "It went form 9 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years!!!!!!!!!" which is the sure claim from anyone who doesn't understand the equation y = a^x but before you go to make that rash claim you might want to go look up how the deficit was looking and where America ended up. Saved the auto industry? Check. Curving unemployment numbers from speculated rates? Check. Fixing the medical care offered in America? Better than before, so half a check. Getting out of Iraq? Check again! Oh and America's debt?
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 21 billion dollars sent. ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
Racism! Right?
Actually it has less to do with race than equity and money but seeing as one racial group equates to most of the money while another to almost none it just gets tied into it.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
NOW I'm editing this because I'm prepared for the "It went form 9 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years!!!!!!!!!" which is the sure claim from anyone who doesn't understand the equation y = a^x but before you go to make that rash claim you might want to go look up how the deficit was looking and where America ended up. Saved the auto industry? Check. Curving unemployment numbers from speculated rates? Check. Fixing the medical care offered in America? Better than before, so half a check. Getting out of Iraq? Check again! Oh and America's debt?
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 21 billion dollars sent. ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
Racism! Right?
Actually it has less to do with race than equity and money but seeing as one racial group equates to most of the money while another to almost none it just gets tied into it.
Do elaborate please, what do you mean equity and money?
On October 04 2012 02:08 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Read my edit as it's apparent you struggle with exponential functions and why the economy was going the way it was. The old saying goes "You have to spend money to make money" for a reason.
The only difference is when Republicans spend money it is for the millionares to get tax cuts where Obama spends most of his money on the Middle Class and trying to repair what the Republican Bush left in his wake.
As I said before, you probably struggled with economics.
On October 04 2012 02:08 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
NOW I'm editing this because I'm prepared for the "It went form 9 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years!!!!!!!!!" which is the sure claim from anyone who doesn't understand the equation y = a^x but before you go to make that rash claim you might want to go look up how the deficit was looking and where America ended up. Saved the auto industry? Check. Curving unemployment numbers from speculated rates? Check. Fixing the medical care offered in America? Better than before, so half a check. Getting out of Iraq? Check again! Oh and America's debt?
On October 04 2012 03:06 kmillz wrote:
On October 04 2012 03:05 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On October 04 2012 01:11 kmillz wrote:
On October 04 2012 01:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:46 kmillz wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:45 paralleluniverse wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:38 urashimakt wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:18 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote] Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 21 billion dollars sent. ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
Racism! Right?
Actually it has less to do with race than equity and money but seeing as one racial group equates to most of the money while another to almost none it just gets tied into it.
Do elaborate please, what do you mean equity and money?
Equity/money when comparing New York to New Orleans shows a drastic difference. New York is a rich city, it bolsters most of the top business where New Orleans equates to a penny on the dollar in comparison if New York were the dollar. So while MUCH more damage was sustained in New Orleans than on 9/11 by a long measure the funding supported the wealthier part of the Nation and left the other part to crumble (and it still is crumbling)
Raising the debt ceiling is quite common. The whole idea is silly; markets respond to large government debt by demanding higher returns. When the rates become too high, then it becomes too costly for the government to borrow.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Read my edit as it's apparent you struggle with exponential functions and why the economy was going the way it was. The old saying goes "You have to spend money to make money" for a reason.
The only difference is when Republicans spend money it is for the millionares to get tax cuts where Obama spends most of his money on the Middle Class and trying to repair what the Republican Bush left in his wake.
As I said before, you probably struggled with economics.
Actually economic experts are predicting a severe backlash to come from this reckless spending. Still waiting for your explanation for the inadequate help in Katrina.
On October 04 2012 02:01 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
Wow, talk about reading into comments. "We need additional federal public transportation dollars to the highest need communities. We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs" now is obviously implying you don't want white people getting money and obviously all the highest need communities are minorities, right? Pathetic. If Clinton or Romney made that exact comment no one would say it's racially charged.
And apparently if you're black and talking about "our neighborhoods" you're only talking about minority neighborhoods. This is despite the fact that Romney constantly talks about "our country," he must only be talking about the white people in America right?
Minority owned businesses was a pretty big flub though.
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
What recession is going to hit us? Are you talking about the recession that is predicted to result from hitting the fiscal cliff?
If you think the debt is a problem, then you should love the fiscal cliff. It would massively reduce the deficit. CBO = Hit the fiscal cliff. Alternative = Avoid the fiscal cliff.
On October 04 2012 02:08 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
You parrot Republican talking points so readily, and yet fail to respond to any of the available criticism outlining how fundamentally flawed your conception of economics is. You do realize that saying "debt" over and over again does little to change to actuality of the situation and instead just looks sycophantic. Furthermore, I'll take it by your silence that you have never been to New Orleans, so let me enlighten you. I traveled down in 2005 with a community group to help clean up, and I've seen some FEMAvilles, I've seen the lower 9th ward, and I've seen just how deplorable our governments response was. That you so willingly mitigate the harm caused by the government mishandling of the Katrina events only to then trumpet some vague and ill-informed economic critique of Obama as worse leads me to believe you really have no idea what you are talking about.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
You parrot Republican talking points so readily, and yet fail to respond to any of the available criticism outlining how fundamentally flawed your conception of economics is. You do realize that saying "debt" over and over again does little to change to actuality of the situation and instead just looks sycophantic. Furthermore, I'll take it by your silence that you have never been to New Orleans, so let me enlighten you. I traveled down in 2005 with a community group to help clean up, and I've seen some FEMAvilles, I've seen the lower 9th ward, and I've seen just how deplorable our governments response was. That you so willingly mitigate the harm caused by the government mishandling of the Katrina events only to then trumpet some vague and ill-informed economic critique of Obama as worse leads me to believe you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm not a Republican, I'm a Libertarian. I would vote Gary Johnson if I didn't live in a swing state. Obama used Katrina to worsen the racial divide in our country, that is the only reason it is being talked about.
On October 04 2012 02:27 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Read my edit as it's apparent you struggle with exponential functions and why the economy was going the way it was. The old saying goes "You have to spend money to make money" for a reason.
The only difference is when Republicans spend money it is for the millionares to get tax cuts where Obama spends most of his money on the Middle Class and trying to repair what the Republican Bush left in his wake.
As I said before, you probably struggled with economics.
Actually economic experts are predicting a severe backlash to come from this reckless spending. Still waiting for your explanation for the inadequate help in Katrina.
re-read as I did.
Also the economy?
I'll let Clinton explain the situation when comparing Republicans to Democrats ^^
Are you kidding me?!?!? If Romney made that comment Chris Matthews would probably shit himself and have a heart attack at the same time. It is the CONTEXT that gives it away, just saying "our" neighborhood doesn't hold much weight on its own but when he is obviously talking about minorities and throws that in the middle of it, of course he is talking about minority communities.
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
What recession is going to hit us? Are you talking about the recession that is predicted to result from hitting the fiscal cliff?
If you think the debt is a problem, then you should love the fiscal cliff. It would massively reduce the deficit. CBO = Hit the fiscal cliff. Alternative = Avoid the fiscal cliff.
On October 03 2012 23:13 urashimakt wrote: I'm not sure what the concern is over that video. It's not like he's stoking racial division. He mentioned slavery, among other things, and said "we'll take the bullet out" which seems a lot like "we'll get past it".
If he had said "and then we're going to GET THOSE #@$%#@$", I'd be concerned.
Obama said that Katrina victims got treated crapply because they're black.
It's very bad.
But nowhere near as bad as the Romney 47% video. Not even remotely close to THAT bad.
Can you give me the timestamp for that in either video? I've only watched the long one and I appear to have not paid attention well enough.
I haven't watched the video. I've only read quotes from news reports.
But the full version of the speech, posted on The Daily Caller website this evening, shows Obama taking that argument a step further, suggesting the federal government overlooked the needs of residents of New Orleans suffering in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as opposed to victims of other disasters in other parts of the country.
"Down in New Orleans, where they still have not rebuilt 20 months later," Obama says, "there's a law, federal law - when you get reconstruction money from the federal government - called the Stafford Act. And basically it says, when you get federal money, you've got to give a 10 percent match. The local government's got to come up with 10 percent. Every 10 dollars the federal government comes up with, local government's got to give a dollar.
"Now here's the thing, when 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act - said, 'This is too serious a problem. We can't expect New York City to rebuild on its own. Forget that dollar you got to put in. Well, here's 10 dollars.' And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with y'own money, here. Here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together - because you're part of the American family.' … What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me that somehow, the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much."
What true colors? Nothing he said was false, no one gave a shit about New Orleans compared to 9/11 or any other disaster. Claiming a fact that the Federal Government didn't suppose people in times of need and coincidentally with this only really happening once the popoulation was mainly poor black people he strung it together. Comparing 47% of Americans as bums and stating that the Federal Government didn't do enough to support New Orleans are two totally separate things.
His remarks weren't "race divide" it was about race equality and how race equality seemed lacking when New Orleans needed it the most.
So the Bush administration didn't give $7 Billion to New Orleans no strings attached? Oh, and here you go!
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
You don't say... Bush gave 7 billion dollars? Man... He really dug deep.
I do like how forcefully you put that 7billion dollars down like it's real solid money that could do anything.
Meanwhile in New York after 9/11 30 billion dollars sent (approximated). ^^ 21.4 by bush with addition to approximately 10billion from other sources.
approx 2,000 people die in Katrina and approx 3,000 people die in 9/11. Damage report? An entire city practically demolished and/or rotted from the storm vs a few buildings falling. One is going to cost a bit more than the other to repair but one gets a lot less funding. Curious as to why that is.
Best source I can find says that as of 2007 the federal government spent $95 billion on Katrina disaster relief. I'm pretty sure spending is still going on so the total should be much higher by now.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
[quote]
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Read my edit as it's apparent you struggle with exponential functions and why the economy was going the way it was. The old saying goes "You have to spend money to make money" for a reason.
The only difference is when Republicans spend money it is for the millionares to get tax cuts where Obama spends most of his money on the Middle Class and trying to repair what the Republican Bush left in his wake.
As I said before, you probably struggled with economics.
Actually economic experts are predicting a severe backlash to come from this reckless spending. Still waiting for your explanation for the inadequate help in Katrina.
On October 04 2012 02:08 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
They would react crazily because it's not something Romney would say (though no one knows what Romney will say these days, his beliefs are mercurial), not being it's somehow "racist" to say suburbs don't need more highways and needy communities need more transportation funding, both of which are pretty true statements.
I also don't get the Chris Matthews thing. You're saying you're justified in grasping for "racism" straws because a Limbaugh-level pundit has done the same? If you don't like the guy, don't lower yourself to his level to attack the opposing party.
No, what I am saying is this exactly the kind of thing Chris Matthews would feed off of, actual race-dividing comments. He grasps for straws but theres no need for grasping here, have you actually watched the whole video?
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
What recession is going to hit us? Are you talking about the recession that is predicted to result from hitting the fiscal cliff?
If you think the debt is a problem, then you should love the fiscal cliff. It would massively reduce the deficit. CBO = Hit the fiscal cliff. Alternative = Avoid the fiscal cliff.
Or this guy
That didn't answer my question. If you believe that Bush helped Katrina out more than NYC, why do you think he did that?
On October 04 2012 02:27 TheTenthDoc wrote: [quote]
Thanks Reverend Wright in the audience for being his pastor. Talks about worshipping God. Talks about Katrina Stafford issues, which are not related to minorities or race at all unless you believe Florida and NYC have no minorities. Note that there are also several cuts here from throughout the speech to accent the Caller's point, which is hideous journalism when your article babbles about how the release of the speech was heavily edited. It's not a straight thing, and indeed takes parts from the beginning, middle, and end of the speech.
The only portion of this that would be construed as racially charged if it were uttered by Bill Clinton is the bit about trying to increase transportation in needy communities to facilitate the development of minority-owned businesses, and this is indeed a pretty big flub by Obama.
He was pretty thankful of Reverend Wright that year, not so much a year later, and nobody addressed this so I will show it again:
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: I have to give a special shout out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me.
(LAUGHTER)
He's a friend and a great leader to everybody. Everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: I have already condemned in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy and in some cases, pain. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
OBAMA, JUNE 5, 2007: When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your money here. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. Tells me the bullet hasn't been taken out.
(APPLAUSE)
Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans, they don't care about as much.
OBAMA, MARCH 18, 2008: Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong, but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity, racially-charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems, problems that are neither black nor white or Latino or Asian, but rather, problems that confront us all.
He said that they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much. New Orleans is far more heavily black than NYC or Florida. Why would he say they don't care about the people in New Orleans as much?
........because the government response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the most pitiful demonstrations of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Seriously though, it is not as though he mentioned Detroit......
It was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit the United States. The help sent was not as good as it could have been but to call it the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States? Hardly, I'd call Obama's failure to do anything about the debt the most pitiful demonstration of inefficiency in the history of the United States. The whole point of his speech was to get people fired up and convinced that they are being singled out for their race in order to get their vote. It was very obvious.
Contrary to the doomsayers, the debt is not a urgent problem. If it is why are government borrowing rates so low? The debt is a problem in the long run. The most urgent problem is high unemployment. This is a short run problem that will have long run consequences if not addressed by actions to stimulate the economy.
No the debt isn't an urgent problem because we pretty much blew our chance to fix it already, now we're just waiting for the recession to hit us. Obama had a chance to do something about it and he didn't. High unemployment is the most urgent problem, but the recession is unavoidable at this point. It doesn't matter who gets elected, by 2014 our economy is going to be total shit.
If you think that Americas economy hasn't gotten better under Obama, you either fail to understand economics or simply wish to be blissfully ignorant.
Blissfully ignorant describes anyone actually believe Obama has improved our economy. Raising the debt ceiling, borrowing more money, spending like crazy, only short term solutions for the economy, its all hot air in a balloon waiting to pop.
Read my edit as it's apparent you struggle with exponential functions and why the economy was going the way it was. The old saying goes "You have to spend money to make money" for a reason.
The only difference is when Republicans spend money it is for the millionares to get tax cuts where Obama spends most of his money on the Middle Class and trying to repair what the Republican Bush left in his wake.
As I said before, you probably struggled with economics.
Actually economic experts are predicting a severe backlash to come from this reckless spending. Still waiting for your explanation for the inadequate help in Katrina.
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